In short
Consider This episode covers the White House Correspondents’ Dinner shooting and the rapid spread of conspiracy theories. Authorities say a 31-year-old suspect, Cole Allen of Torrance, California, charged a Secret Service checkpoint in the hotel lobby around 8:36 p.m. with a shotgun, handgun, and knives, then was intercepted. Inside the ballroom, attendees including President Trump, Vice President Vance, officials, and NPR’s Domenico Montanaro heard muffled popping sounds and hit the ground.
Key claims
Jeanine Pirro calls it an attempted assassination targeting cabinet officials; Congressman Jamie Raskin says people were down 2–3 minutes.
Guest
Molly Olmsted, Slate staff writer, argues social media incentives and distrust drive left-leaning conspiracies, citing narratives about Trump staging it to boost his White House ballroom plans and speculation about Israel.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODetails of the Assassination Attempt
0:46 to 1:55
Overview of the events surrounding the assassination attempt on President Trump.
“Meanwhile, inside the ballroom, Trump, Vice President Vance, cabinet members, lawmakers and press were having dinner and guests heard muffled popping sounds.”
Reaction from Politicians and Law Enforcement
1:56 to 3:19
Insights from law enforcement and politicians on the attempted assassination.
“But that is not stopping conspiracy theorists from filling in blanks.”
Conspiracy Theories Emerge
3:55 to 5:18
Discussion on the conspiracy theories that surfaced following the shooting.
“Let's just start with the last few days.”
Left vs. Right Conspiracy Narratives
5:19 to 7:17
Analysis of the divergence in conspiracy theories between political factions.
“You also have a populace that is just really feeling powerless in a way that they didn't during the first Trump administration.”
The Future of Conspiracy Thinking
7:18 to 9:08
Exploration of the implications of conspiracy thinking on American politics.
“You wrote in your piece, quote, conspiracy thinking is starting to overtake partisan thinking.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00It's Consider This where every day we go deep on one big news story. At this moment, few hard details are known about what authorities are calling an assassination attempt on President Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner in Washington Saturday night. But here is what we do know. At approximately 8.36 tonight, an individual charged a U.S. Secret Service checkpoint here in the lobby area of the hotel. He was armed with a shotgun, a handgun, and multiple knives. As he ran through that checkpoint, members of law enforcement from the United States Secret Service intercepted that individual.
0:34That's Jeff Carroll, interim chief of police for the Metropolitan Police Department, speaking Saturday. The individual he referenced has now been identified as 31-year-old Cole Allen of Torrance, California. Meanwhile, inside the ballroom, Trump, Vice President Vance, cabinet members, lawmakers and press were having dinner and guests heard muffled popping sounds. NPR's Domenico Montanaro was also there. Well, a really disorienting moment here at the White House Correspondents' Center. The first time that President Trump has been at a White House Correspondents' Center and he wound up with shots fired inside.
1:12I ended up hitting the ground with everybody else. Among them was Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland. He spoke to NPR Monday. We were down on the floor for around two to three minutes before people began to get up. And we were told that, you know, there was some somebody who they got. Make no mistake. This was an attempted assassination of the president of the United States with the defendant making clear what his intent was. And that intent was to bring down as many of the high ranking cabinet officials as he could. That's Jeanine Pirro, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, speaking Monday at a press conference.
1:53Consider this. 48 hours into the investigation, few details are known about what transpired Saturday and why. But that is not stopping conspiracy theorists from filling in blanks.
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3:17It's Consider This from NPR. Within minutes of the news of a shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner last weekend, people claimed on social media the incident was staged. To be clear, these were conspiracy theories, not supported by what we know about the suspect. But the most common of these theories claim the shooting was orchestrated in an effort to somehow boost President Trump's plans for a new White House ballroom. It isn't surprising that rampant speculation would instantly surround an act of apparently politically motivated violence, but this incident suggests that voices on the left are increasingly engaged with conspiracy theories.
3:53Molly Olmsted is a staff writer with Slate and has been following this and joins us now. Welcome. Thank you. So happy to be here. Let's just start with the last few days. Run us through some of the most popular conspiracy theories surrounding this latest shooting. Pretty much immediately when this shooting happened, the first way that people processed it was by expressing suspicion. Pretty quickly, there were some dominant narratives that happened on the left. One was just that this is sort of something that Trump arranged to boost his polling. people tried out talking about Israel's involvement and things like that, which is pretty typical for any time you have conspiracy theories.
4:37The reason that the ballroom narrative was the one that stuck so quickly was that the president himself did quickly talk about how this was a justification for his ballroom. So he handed his opponents sort of a theory, an argument that they could make. Like it's such an Occam's razor thing. Like the straightforward thing is somebody who had a deep opposition to Trump or whoever the target is, who in many cases has serious mental health challenges, tries to act in a violent way. That's a straightforward thing that is often happening. And yet people people drift to the most convoluted scenario they can think of.
5:16Like, why do you think that keeps happening? Yeah, I mean, I think the reason this has now become such a uniform reaction on the left is that social media has incentivized this in terms of this sort of attention economy that we're in. You also have a populace that is just really feeling powerless in a way that they didn't during the first Trump administration. And here I'm talking about sort of the liberal opposition. And people have just been worn down by the sort of relentless lying that does come out of the Trump administration, which is not to say that I think it is justified to have these conspiracy theories.
6:00But I do think that at this point, this is just how people process information. What's the best way to think about the way that this seems to have spread on the left just as much as the right in recent years? It is fair to say that until recently, it has been largely the purview of the right. And still, to be clear, I do think that the right and the left are different when it comes to conspiracy theories, largely because the right has politicians who spread these conspiracy theories themselves. There are also a lot of really large social media influencers that really push these conspiracy theories.
6:39I don't think there's as much of an equivalent for the left. That being said, I think there has been sort of a journey to some of this, the way that a lot of these right-wing conspiracy theories have started to creep over to the left in terms of that shared paranoid thinking and because of Israel-Palestine, actually. I think that there has been such an intense overlap over the conflict with Gaza that some of the same conspiracy theories that emerged originally from the right have taken root in the left, even if they don't know that these are conservative conspiracy theories to begin with. There's a basic distrust that guides the left's reaction to any sort of chaotic event involving Donald Trump.
7:25You wrote in your piece, quote, conspiracy thinking is starting to overtake partisan thinking. Can you tell me a little bit more about what you mean by that? Yeah, I think most remarkably, when we look at what's happening in modern American politics, you can look at what's happening within the rift in the MAGA movement, where you have a lot of people who are defecting, largely because of these sort of more geopolitical issues. So Israel-Palestine is one of them. We also have people who are quite frustrated about the war. And so you get these people such as Candace Owens who command these huge followings who are saying, you know, I think we can't even trust the Republican Party anymore to tell us the truth.
8:09So for them, it's conspiratorial thinking that is their guidepost instead of what Trump is telling them to think. My personal view, and I'm curious if you agree or if you have a different take, is that it just seems like the way that algorithms increasingly drive content that appears in front of us, the way that AI has gotten more and more realistic, and the way that people are making money by being the most outrageous front-facing person they can be, it just seems hard to see how any of this gets better in the near future. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't see any way for it to get better.
8:48It just seems that this is the America we live in now. This is the reality we live in now. It seems to me that for the foreseeable future, the different political factions are going to be operating not just on different views, but entirely different realities. That was Molly Olmstead, staff writer at Slate. Thanks so much for talking to us. Thank you. This episode was produced by Tyler Bartlam and Karen Zamora. It was edited by Patrick Jaron Wadanan and Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Ennegan.
9:26It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detra.
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were conspiracy theories, not supported by what we know about the suspect.
The most common of these theories claim the shooting was orchestrated in an effort to boost President Trump’s plans for a new White House ballroom.
It isn’t surprising that rampant speculation would instantly surround an act of apparent politically-motivated violence, but this incident suggests that voices on the left are increasingly engaged with conspiracy theories.
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