Trump is changing public health guidance. What's it mean for you?

24 Sep 2025 · 12 min · 8 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Trump administration changes to U.S. public-health guidance are moving away from established science, affecting doctors and patients. It recalls past federal successes: the 1964 Surgeon General report linking cigarette smoking to disease and mortality; the 1971 Cancer Act and later cancer research growth; and rapid vaccine action after the 1955 Salk polio vaccine announcement, leading to elimination in the U.S. and Americas. It highlights Trump and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. remarks tying autism to vaccines and Tylenol in pregnancy, despite “no credible link.”

Guest

Dr. Jen Bruhl, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, who says guidance should be evidence-based and notes she used federal immunization/FDA guidance in Kansas practice.

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Chapters

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The Legacy of Cancer Initiatives

0:45 to 2:04

Discussion of historical public health initiatives related to cancer and their effects.

“But the public health initiatives and guidance that began with that report contributed to a drastic drop in smoking.”

The Success of Vaccination Programs

2:04 to 2:42

Overview of the government's success with the Salk polio vaccine and its distribution.

“That's a CBS News radio report from April 12, 1955, announcing that after decades of illness, there was finally a way to prevent polio.”

Changing Perspectives on Vaccines

2:42 to 3:34

Examination of President Trump's remarks linking vaccines to autism and its implications.

“Fast forward to 2025, and the president of the United States pointed to vaccines as a cause of autism.”

Impact on Public Health Guidance

3:34 to 4:50

How the Trump administration's stance has altered public health guidance and challenges for physicians.

“The federal government has spent generations building a robust public health system.”

Expert Insights on Federal Guidance

4:50 to 6:14

Discussion with Dr. Jen Bruhl about the role of federal guidance in public health and patient care.

“the other day talking about the causes of autism?”

The Role of Family Physicians

6:14 to 8:02

Dr. Bruhl discusses the critical role of family physicians in navigating public health changes.

“People with autism and the families who love them deserve compassion and respect, not blame.”

Maintaining Trust in Medicine

8:02 to 8:59

The importance of trust in scientific sources amidst changing public health narratives.

“Those were conversations I had with patients every day in the practice of medicine.”

Future of Public Health Under Trump

8:59 to 11:06

Thoughts on the future of public health initiatives and the American Academy of Family Physicians' strategies.

“where you're saying don't trust NIH, the CDC, the White House, trust your doctor instead?”
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0:00For generations, the U.S. government has worked to protect the health of its citizens. It hasn't always succeeded, but it has taken major steps to do so, like this one in 1964. Out of its long and exhaustive deliberations, the committee has reached the overall judgment that cigarette smoking is a health hazard. That's then U.S. Surgeon General Luther Terry during a press conference where he laid out the findings of the report he and his committee prepared on the dangers of cigarette smoking. It is a judgment of the committee that cigarette smoking contributes substantially to mortality from certain specific diseases and to the overall death rate.

0:41It would take decades for the majority of Americans to quit smoking and for the tobacco companies to be held accountable. But the public health initiatives and guidance that began with that report contributed to a drastic drop in smoking. Members of the Senate, members of the House, ladies and gentlemen, we are here today for the purpose of signing the Cancer Act of 1971. Seven years after the Surgeon General warned about the dangers of smoking, President Richard Nixon focused the power of the federal government on beating cancer. We can say this, that for those who have cancer and who are looking for success in this field, they at least can have the assurance that everything that can be done by government, everything that can be done by voluntary agencies in this great, powerful, rich country, now will be done.

1:32That was Nixon the day he signed the Cancer Act of 1971 into law. By the year 2021, the National Cancer Institute's annual budget had increased 25-fold. Prevention, early detection, and treatment all improved, and cancer mortality has dropped. Since 2021, overall spending on cancer research has not decreased in the Trump administration. Some cancer research grants have been terminated, and fewer cancer research grants are being funded. The federal government has also led the way on vaccines. CBS News presents a special report. The Salk polio vaccine is a success. The vaccine works. That's a CBS News radio report from April 12, 1955, announcing that after decades of illness, there was finally a way to prevent polio.

2:26The federal government licensed the vaccine the same day and led the way for distribution. By 1979, polio was eliminated in the United States. 15 years later, it was completely eliminated across the Americas. Fast forward to 2025, and the president of the United States pointed to vaccines as a cause of autism. And they pump so much stuff into those beautiful little babies, it's a disgrace. That's President Donald Trump earlier this week. I think it's very bad. They're pumping, it looks like they're pumping into a horse. You have a little child, a little fragile child, and you get a vat of 80 different vaccines, I guess.

3:1080 different blends, and they pump it in. He made those remarks along with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at a press conference linking autism to the use of Tylenol in pregnancy, a finding for which there is no definitive proof. The skepticism around vaccines and Tylenol are just two areas of science the Trump administration has called into question. Consider this. The federal government has spent generations building a robust public health system. The Trump administration is scaling it back. How are doctors navigating the change and what does it mean for their patients?

3:52From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro.

4:03It's Consider This from NPR. The federal government's approach to public health has changed more in the last eight months than it has in decades. Since President Trump returned to office, he and members of his administration have challenged the safety of the COVID vaccine, the overall childhood vaccine schedule, and the causes of autism. This has upended public health guidance that doctors and patients have relied on for years. Jen Bruhl is president of the American Academy of Family Physicians. She is with us from Fort Collins, Colorado, to talk about how doctors and patients are navigating this moment.

4:37Welcome. Thank you. I'm so glad to be here. Before we get to the broad picture of how the federal government has changed its role in public health over the last several months, What were you thinking as you watched President Trump and Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. the other day talking about the causes of autism? I think this is where it's important to separate headlines from science. What I know is that the best science we have today shows no credible link between acetaminophen use in pregnancy and autism. Family physicians have been advising pregnant people for decades to be thoughtful about any medication use, whether it's Tylenol or anything else.

5:17And the guidance has always been, use it when you need it at the lowest effective dose and only for as long as necessary. And so when I think about the government releasing a report that changes that credible evidence, it can feel frustrating. And I imagine that it feels frustrating to family physicians everywhere and to parents everywhere. You say it's frustrating when you have the loudest and most powerful voices in the government giving guidance that does not conform to the best science. Is frustrating really the word? I think what worries me most is how these claims land with all sorts of people.

6:02Imagine a parent who used Tylenol during their pregnancy and now has a child with autism or an adult with autism who's hearing speculation about its cause. Messages like these can create guilt, doubt, or a stigma where none is deserved. People with autism and the families who love them deserve compassion and respect, not blame. They need our support, our resources, and our continued research that advances real understanding, not speculation that adds to their burden. And while the science today is clear that there is no credible link, the AAFP will thoroughly evaluate any data shared by federal health agencies.

6:47Well, a high-profile televised event is one thing. Broadly speaking, though, what role does the federal government typically play in educating patients and physicians about how best to take care of their health?

7:20schedule and about medications used in pregnancy and their safety profiles. They have an incredible, powerful think tank that is able to process a large amount of data in a pool of experts and put forth a recommendation that helps physicians, patients, communities make the best decisions about their health. Can you think of a case or a patient you've dealt with where guidance from the federal government made a tangible difference in how you dealt with the case? Oh, absolutely. So in 20 years of taking care of patients in a small community in Kansas, Plainville, Kansas, I used federal guidance all the time when it came to FDA guidance, when it came to the immunization schedule and what made the most sense and got the best results for children who needed an immunization series, the fewest number of shots with the largest positive impact, and the lowest risk of side effects.

8:22Those were conversations I had with patients every day in the practice of medicine. There have always been doctors who practice what can generously be called alternative medicine. And during the COVID-19 pandemic, a lot of unproven cures and treatments flourished on social media. And the government played a key role in saying, here's what works, here's what's verified, here's what you can trust, here's what you can't. Now that you find yourself on the outside saying what the federal government is saying is not proven by science, is it a kind of Alice in Wonderland through the looking glass moment where you're saying don't trust NIH, the CDC, the White House, trust your doctor instead?

9:10I wouldn't say that I'm saying don't trust those sources. There are many recommendations that come from those organizations where there are still incredible scientists and physician scientists who are working hard to ensure that we have access to the best information. My comment instead is if you hear something, wherever that source is, whether it's the television, TikTok, or a headline, and you have a question about it, that's the time to have a conversation with the person who knows your health best. A lot of times what we hear through all different sorts of news channels and social media isn't the whole story.

9:53And having that conversation is part of understanding the whole story. We are not yet a quarter of the way through President Trump's time in office. And as I said, we have seen more dramatic change than in decades when it comes to public health. How are you thinking about the next three years? The American Academy of Family Physicians has made a conscious choice to continue to engage in the ways that we are able with all of the federal agencies that work on health, social determinants of health, and all the pieces that work to ensure that patients across the United States have access to health care and good health care.

10:37So we will continue to do what we have done for the last 10 months, which is provide statements that are publicly available about what we see in the evidence, provide guidance to family physicians and others and patients across the United States on what we see in science-based, evidence-based care, and be clear in that message. having changes in Washington doesn't mean it's a reason to step back. It is still important that the work that is happening there is informed by those who understand the needs of the population in the United States best, and that is primary care physicians. Dr. Jen Bruhl is president of the American Academy of Family Physicians.

11:30Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you. This episode was produced by Elena Burnett, Brianna Scott, and Megan Lim with audio engineering by Hannah Glovna. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan.

11:47It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.

From the publisher

The federal government’s approach to public health has changed more in the last eight months than it has in decades.

 
Since President Trump returned to office, he and members of his administration have challenged the safety of the covid vaccine, the overall childhood vaccine schedule, and the causes of autism.

This has upended public health guidance that doctors and patients have relied on for years.

Jen Brull, the President of the American Academy of Family Physicians talks about how doctors and patients are navigating this moment.

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This episode was produced by Elena Burnett, Brianna Scott, and Megan Lim, with audio engineering by Hannah Gluvna.

It was edited by Courtney Dorning.

Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.






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