Breaking Up is Hard to Do (Criminal+)

10:00Phoebe Judge:What did you think?

10:01Lauren Spohrer:Fighting for your life with the makeup mirror. No, it looked wonderful. I was completely impressed that after what, like one tutorial from me, which was helpful, and one really helpful tutorial from your niece, and you are now very good at putting on makeup. Well, I was absolutely impressed.

10:21Phoebe Judge:So, yeah, so it's a new life. It's makeup life. Every day or? No, not every day. Only when we're doing the videos. Which is going to be often. Yeah, but, you know, the thing about the videos is it's been, I think for all of us here, we've all been a little bit, you know, we know how to cut audio. We don't know how to cut video. But it's actually kind of fun. Katie Bishop and I were on a 6 a.m. video interview yesterday with a man in Australia. That was a little rough to get the makeup looking right at 6 a.m. And another thing for you is you don't want to have wet hair. I think that's for you.

11:04Lauren Spohrer:Can you imagine turning on morning news and the newscaster had wet hair? But I have another question for you, which is you're doing some off-the-cuff videos for social media. Are you worried about the contrast being very great between an off-the-cuff, Phoebe on her way to go jogging, and then high-glam Phoebe? Are they going to know it's the same person?

11:29Phoebe Judge:Anyway, the video thing is exciting. It's totally brand new for all of us. We've recorded three so far. Including one with a big celeb Yeah Well, big celeb, it's not Beyonce

11:47Lauren Spohrer:Well, it's a very famous crime writer Yes Fiction Woman Phoebe, do you have a trivia question?

11:55Phoebe Judge:I do have a trivia question Trivia with Phoebe Lauren, in what state and at what speed is the highest speed limit in the country. It is not all over the state. It is on a section of highway. Have we been on it? The highest posted speed limit. We have not been on it. So I can even, if it'd be helpful, I could give you the state and then you can just pick.

12:24Lauren Spohrer:No, I don't want you to give me the state, but I'm going to do a prelim that it's South Dakota. Okay.

12:30Phoebe Judge:And do you know what the speed limit would be, the posted speed limit? 80. Okay. I will get back to you at the end of the show. I'm also interested in Montana. Yeah. The only speeding ticket I ever got in my life. Okay. What state and at what speed is the highest speed limit in America?

12:55Lauren Spohrer:Right before this call, I was reading about about a woman named Arielle Koenig, 37. She's a central witness in a murder trial. Her husband is on trial for trying to murder her. And so at the trial, she read a birthday card that he had given to her that morning. Can I read it to you? Happy birthday, Angel Face. This is the card that her husband gave her shortly before he attempted to kill her on a hike. Happy birthday, Angel Face. There isn't an obstacle in this world too hard for me to fight through for you. You're the heart of our family, and that heart is strong. You're a terrific mom. The kids and I hit the jackpot with you.

13:34Lauren Spohrer:Love always, G. This is what happened. A couple of years before, the husband, Gerhardt, logged into his wife's WhatsApp account and saw that she was exchanging WhatsApp messages with a coworker who was also married, and they worked together at a nuclear energy company. She worked remotely. And then apparently the relationship was lots and lots and lots of messages, but nothing ever physical, according to the wife. But the husband, sometimes they were messaging all day long on weekends and always talking about sort of personal things. And they had a code word. So if Ariel Koenig wanted to tell her coworker that her husband was nearby, she would use this work term, H-A-L-E-U, an acronym for a type of nuclear fuel that they both worked with professionally.

14:26Lauren Spohrer:The husband finds this out. He can't stop monitoring her phone. He's obsessed with it. He confronts her, and then they agree that they're going to not separate. They're going to give their marriage two years, a two-year project. And then he asked his wife, what do you want to do to celebrate your birthday? And she said she'd always wanted to visit Oahu. And she says, you know, we can go another time. We don't have to go right away. And the husband immediately books the trip, gives his wife the birthday card, gives her a necklace, and then according to her and according to the prosecution, they're on this hike that's over like a rugged cliff.

15:00Lauren Spohrer:He grabbed her and began pushing her toward the edge of the ridge. She threw herself down and grabbed onto some shrubs and bushes and was just screaming and screaming. And then according to her, her husband pulled out a vial and a liquid and tried to inject her with something with a syringe. And that is what I was just reading about. Have you heard this story? How many stories have we talked about this year of men trying to kill their wives on hikes?

15:30Phoebe Judge:This leads me to a very important thing that we should talk about. Grip strength. It is one of the key indicators of overall health. this woman was doing something right if she was able to hold on to those shrubs grabbing hold of roots and shrubs grip strength this was something we're having a a graduation party this weekend and i thought i always like when we throw a party when i throw a party i always like there to be something you know it can't just be a cocktail party it's there's there should be an event you know so your roast oysters or there's something you know some built around something.

16:11Lauren Spohrer:Will we be testing our hand strength?

16:12Phoebe Judge:Well, this is what I was thinking. Last week, Sarah bought one of these things for$23 on Amazon. It's a digital display and you squeeze it as hard as you can and it shows you your power. Sarah did hers. 68 fantastic normal range great and then I did mine and I thought it would be so fun at the party to have everyone go around and you know you have to write it on a little list I thought you would really like that Lauren I would really like that then I was thinking I did think to myself Lauren would love this so much for$25 should I just get it for her for like her birthday present you could just have it

16:54Lauren Spohrer:because then you can train and test again Do you know what mine was? You didn't even ask. What was it? What's the max?

17:01Phoebe Judge:I don't think there was, like maybe 190. 103. Wow. Okay, I can't wait to try. And it's fun because of your left hand, your right hand. But anyway, grip strength. Start thinking about it if you haven't. Clearly, there are circumstances where you may need to hold on to roots or shrubs. And you need to make sure those fingers are strong enough. speaking of fingers lauren it's like marilyn monroe just came across the screen me yeah why just put your hand up across the screen it's like marilyn monroe thank you wow that is a what what mood do you have to be in to get that color of red on your nails because it looks like 1952 over there.

17:51Phoebe Judge:What do you mean, Watmood? It's like just classic. But I know it's classic, but it's like a Marilyn Monroe color, you know, that bright, bright red.

17:59Lauren Spohrer:I feel like if you're going to spend the money, you need to do something. Although I know I'm the person who said, go do it with no polish at all. But if you're going to get polished, I feel like you want to see it. You want to notice it. I just went and had my mother and I went and got manicures.

18:14Phoebe Judge:Well, I can tell.

18:17Lauren Spohrer:do you know what her favorite nail polish color is ever since she was a little kid no my entire life great it's called grand canyon sunset and so anytime we go to a nail salon together she'll say i wish they still made grand canyon sunset and it's like such a potent memory is it orangey red it's like a brownish red do you remember when uh nikki silva maybe it was davia nelson the

18:42Phoebe Judge:The Kitchen Sisters. We were at some audio conference festival in New York. And I think we were doing something. We had a little part of it. But then we stayed for Davia Nelson's. Yeah. The whole entire audio piece was her just reading names of lipsticks. That's right.

19:05Lauren Spohrer:It was great.

19:05Phoebe Judge:It was wonderful because the names are so wild. Yeah, it was just name after name after name.

19:11Lauren Spohrer:My mom asked me an etiquette question, which I will now ask you. How early, if any amount early, can you check in to a VRBO or an Airbnb with a keypad door? So if check-in is at four, how early would you dare to go in?

19:31Phoebe Judge:I would write to the owner beforehand and say, I'm just one, as I said, I'm arriving at two. Is there any way to, so that's what I would do. I would be too scared to go. I would never be able to go in early. I would go 15 minutes early, but I would just write to the owner and say, I'm going to be in the area. Is it possible to check in?

19:52Lauren Spohrer:Well, she sent me the message one hour before check-in. I didn't see it until 25 minutes before check-in. And I said, I replied, I wouldn't do that. And then she replied, oops, because she was already in.

20:06Phoebe Judge:Lauren, I have a story that we have, I've been following this story. We all have for a little while, but there was movement on it this week. What? This is the story about the woman and the bees in Massachusetts. So this was a few years ago. A woman, she was in her mid-50s. she showed up at her friend's house, an elderly gentleman, who was being served eviction papers. He had cancer, he was sick, and the sheriff's office had shown up to serve him eviction papers. His friend, this woman, shows up wearing, she's a beekeeper, and she showed up wearing her beekeeper suit with a truckload of beehives behind her.

20:54Phoebe Judge:She got out of the car. In her suit. In her suit, full suit. As the deputies were trying to evict the man, serve her friend eviction papers, she opened all of the hives and let the bees go towards the officers. Officers were swatting bees away. Beehives were falling on each other, crushing some bees. the officers were very stung, some of them badly. They were all okay, but they were badly stung. She says it was an accident. She didn't know the hives opened. She, though, was in her full suit with hood. But she was in her full suit, so she did not get stung. She was convicted of four misdemeanor counts of assault and battery and two counts of reckless assault.

21:53Phoebe Judge:She spent six months in jail waiting for the trial and then served another couple of weeks. What she said when they asked her, she said that she was why she opened the hives. She said she was only wanting the bees to forage on a lovely landscape. She had no intention. She was wearing the full suit.

22:16Lauren Spohrer:Well, I also read that she was wrestled to the ground by the police officers. and then a bunch of her bees died during that issue.

22:25Phoebe Judge:And a queen bee dies after it stings. So if they're stinging all of the police officers, I understand it could be very dangerous if any of the officers were allergic, but it's kind of creative at least. I mean, we need to hear some creativity in the world.

22:45Lauren Spohrer:It's hard to imagine hearing about your friend, something bad happening to your friend, and then your first thought is I'm going to load up the bees.

22:52Phoebe Judge:Where's the suit?

22:53Lauren Spohrer:It reminds me of our This Is Love episode about bees.

22:57Phoebe Judge:Telling the bees.

22:58Lauren Spohrer:There's so many things in that that I think about. Yeah, especially I guess like where we got the title, the idea that you have to tell the bees when someone has died.

23:06Phoebe Judge:Is it true that bees are the secret to life? That this is the marker of the health of our planet? Entire ecosystem?

23:15Lauren Spohrer:Yeah. I think someone's - Oh my God. Okay, someone told me the other day that there's a woman in town who has chronic Lyme disease and that she's undergoing this interesting treatment where she manually stings herself up and down her spine with bees and that it is working. Of all the different treatments she's tried, have you ever heard of this? No.

23:39Phoebe Judge:But chronic Lyme is no joke, so more power to it. How do you make a bee?

23:43Lauren Spohrer:What do you hold the bee? Yeah, you must hold it.

23:45Phoebe Judge:You must be able to manipulate it.

23:46Lauren Spohrer:And then you can just like force it to sting you?

23:48Phoebe Judge:I pitched a story a couple months ago about a man who had purposefully let himself be bitten by snakes, venomous snakes, so that his blood could be used as an anti-venom for others. Oh, that's interesting.

24:07Lauren Spohrer:I know.

24:08Phoebe Judge:We're having a hard time getting him to call us back.

24:10Lauren Spohrer:I had a pottery teacher tell me that he had been bit by a brown recluse spider and that the anti-venom drug that they used at the hospital meant that if he were ever bit by a venomous steak, it wouldn't work. As though once your body's acclimated to these anti-venom medications, like you only have one chance, sort of. Yeah, I think— That's something to worry about.

24:34Phoebe Judge:Well, certainly around here with the Copperheads.

24:37Lauren Spohrer:And all the spiders.

24:39Phoebe Judge:You know what you have to watch out for, Lauren? What? Getting into your car, because they like the coolness under cars. You've got to watch your ankles. Who? Spiders or snakes? Copperheads.

24:49Lauren Spohrer:Oh, my God. I have really big news, which is that in the last episode of Criminal Plus, I talked about my garbage can buckles, which I was really excited about because I thought it was keeping the raccoons from getting in. And last night, open the carport door, hear a loud thrashing around, and then a little raccoon popped his head out. So he had somehow like pried the plastic open, gotten in, and was just in there eating. So I need to rethink the buckles, tighten the buckles. Did you let him out? No, because he let himself out. I was scared to go too close. As you know, I'm dealing with something really big, which is that I attempted to write an email to break up with my therapist

25:35Phoebe Judge:What if she's listening to this?

25:37Lauren Spohrer:I don't think that she is

25:38Phoebe Judge:I absolutely think she could be What?

25:42Lauren Spohrer:Without ever telling me? No Oh, absolutely Oh, I think that would be like a weird violation, don't you think? Does your therapist listen? We're just gonna, well

25:55Phoebe Judge:No, no, no, no, no, no. But, you know, I don't really have, I just, it's kind of a retainer situation with me. It's a, I keep her on retainer a bit. It's a rather quick check-in every two weeks, sometimes 10 minutes, sometimes. So I don't want to waste a lot of her time. So, yeah, I think she gets it.

26:18Lauren Spohrer:I think that this is one of the more difficult social projects I've undertaken in my entire life.

26:24Phoebe Judge:We discussed this this morning, and you and I differed on how we would have approached this.

26:29Lauren Spohrer:Well, this is what I wanted to ask the listener. I wrote, it's sort of like if you're receiving difficult professional news, a lot of times they send an email so you have a minute to sort of digest. So I sent an email saying that I would like to discuss, but I am feeling like it's time to wind down.

26:48Phoebe Judge:And then you're going to see her.

26:50Lauren Spohrer:And then I said, looking forward to your thoughts, yeah, and I'll see her on Monday and we'll talk. And I imagine that we'll meet a number of times to talk about it. It's not just like a goodbye forever.

26:57Phoebe Judge:But I am stressed.

26:59Lauren Spohrer:I am stressed.

27:00Phoebe Judge:And I said that I would be too. I said that the way I would handle this is not at the end of the session. At the beginning of the session, I would have said I'd like to talk about something.

27:14Lauren Spohrer:And what words would you? Okay, keep going. What would you have said?

27:16Phoebe Judge:I'd like to talk about something. and okay but I've been thinking a lot about this and I've been thinking about it for a long time and I think maybe I'm not getting as much of out of these conversations as I used to because I think I'm very different now and I think I've changed a lot and I've just been thinking about at the end of our sessions making it about you I've been thinking about at the end of our sessions. I'm realizing I'm not getting enough. And so you, this long preamble, me, it's me. I'm the problem. I'm the problem. I'm the problem.

27:56Phoebe Judge:And then she says, Lauren, of course, I just want to support you in anything you want. And yeah, you know, and then, then you've opened. So that's how I would have, now cats out of the back, what's done is done.

28:11Lauren Spohrer:but I think I was worried that if I didn't sort of take a minute to choose my words carefully that if I said I'm not getting as much out of these sessions that could something like that could feel like an insult to her so I wanted to make sure that I was deploying the information carefully I planted the seed so now she'll know what I want to talk about also like what if something sort of chaotic happens the morning of the session and then I chicken out and don't bring it up. Well, I think this is a new level of feeling like a grown-up. And she hasn't responded, so.

28:50Phoebe Judge:If you're looking for a new therapist, you may need to look no further. Oh, we're offering

28:56Lauren Spohrer:your services.

28:57Phoebe Judge:Maybe after you hear this email that we received this week. Okay. Heather wrote, My husband and I have been married 20 years. We've developed different views and opinions over those years. Ten years ago, we were at a breaking point in difference of political views. But one thing we agreed on, we loved criminal. It was the one thing we were able to talk about and discuss without opposition. The subtle social justice points made in personal stories relevant to current events brought us to the same page. Now a decade later, we still love Criminal, and we are in the best place we've ever been. Who needs BetterHelp?

29:37Lauren Spohrer:We need them to sponsor us. We do. BetterHelp.com slash criminal. Should I go contact a BetterHelp therapist for advice on how to break up with my real-life therapist? We also got another email about—this is so interesting—

29:56Phoebe Judge:Couples listening to Criminal Together. Here's another one we got. A listener wrote in from Oklahoma and said, she put on criminal during a big storm while she and her husband were sheltering in their laundry room with their animals because criminal was something we could agree on. Wow. Not just putting people to sleep, also bringing people together. I say that only because when I was doing a lot of Phoebe Reads, I would oftentimes hear from couples who would tell me that they would turn Phoebe Reads on at night in bed. And that's how they would fall asleep. So it'd be like me as part of their couple.

30:47Phoebe Judge:Oh, okay.

30:48Lauren Spohrer:A thruple. A thruple.

30:51Phoebe Judge:Speaking of romance, I was thinking about this earlier and I didn't bring it up because I just was remembering Sarah's sister used to work in a flower store, in a florist. And on Valentine's Day, she would call us at the end of the day and read to us what she remembered of the cards that people would have her dictate in their flower arrangements.

31:18Lauren Spohrer:Oh, that's so good.

31:20Phoebe Judge:And it was shocking. Imagine.

31:25Lauren Spohrer:Oh, I would have just guessed it was all like, happy birthday. No.

31:29Phoebe Judge:All my best. No. No. So Roger calls up and says, well, what'd you like on the card, Roger? I can't even say it. Wild things. Oh, like erotica? Yes. No. But wild stuff. A look into the human psyche. Yes. Yes, she would report. She couldn't make the stuff up. I don't know why I was just thinking about that.

31:49Lauren Spohrer:Can you give an example?

31:53Phoebe Judge:Yeah, I'll give an example. It's totally inappropriate.

31:55Lauren Spohrer:Is there something like psychopathic about dictating that to a stranger who works in the Flora Shop and making them write it?

32:02Phoebe Judge:That's what was so fascinating. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. This isn't typing it in 1-800-Flowers. You can type your own message. This is, okay, yes, sir, what would you like me to say? Get ready for daddy, big boys coming home later. Happy Valentine's Day. I made that up, but you get the gist. Anyway. Wow. I don't know what I thought about. It's not Valentine's Day. I was really touched by the responses to the Costco episode. And how, yes, and the number of people who are begging us to now go to Trader Joe's. We've had so many emails and calls from people saying, please now go to Trader Joe's.

32:45Phoebe Judge:I'd be happy to go to Trader Joe's. Lauren, would you be happy to go to Trader Joe's? Yes, I do. I think I'm going to lead you down those. Do you know Trader Joe's that well? I feel like you could take me around Wegmans, but.

32:55Lauren Spohrer:But I just need to say something because when we were in Costco, I was excited to see Suki's brand samosas, which is one of my favorite foods. And someone wrote in to say that they bought them because of that and that they were disappointed. And I have to say that I agree. And the Suki's samosas at Costco are bigger and different than the ones that you get at the regular grocery store. And because they're bigger, they're more dried out. So you're not recommending them? Well, how was I supposed to know that the ones at Costco that look exactly the same are going to be bigger and different? Are Costco—like, the individual food item I thought would have been the same inside of the—

33:33Phoebe Judge:Yeah, me too. No, it's not. No, that's an anomaly. Suki's, that's an anomaly.

33:38Lauren Spohrer:It's making me suspicious.

33:40Phoebe Judge:No. That's one product. It's one product flaw.

33:46Lauren Spohrer:People thought that I sounded really excited about the samples, which was mortifying to hear. Thank you for listening. We got an email from Jonathan. He says, as a fellow seltzer addict, I suggest the purchase of a soda stream or the like. And you need to keep a backup CO2 bottle and you will never run out.

34:06Phoebe Judge:I know. The problem is that then that requires a different type of transport. You have to make the seltzer and then pour it into another vessel. Yeah, that's true. And that takes up a lot of space. Jonathan, thank you. Of course I've considered it, and certainly with the—I understand about the added flavors in seltzer. It's supposed to be terrible for us, Cancer Central. But I am working on it. I'm working on less, you know, I— The cans. The cans are lined with plastic. Two seltzers is two LaCroix a day.

34:38Lauren Spohrer:Plus your Diet Coke, and I look at three cans a day. Allison has a fact check. She says, I am also a huge fan of Gardener's World. I'm from the U.K., but I live abroad in a hot, dry city, unnamed. So for me, it brings great joy to see my home country and how green it is. Just wanted to fact check your It's Been Running for 25 Years, quote, comments about the show. She says the show started in the 60s and has had over 55 seasons so far. That is impressive.

35:07Phoebe Judge:Yeah, yes, I knew it had been long, Monty Dawn, on for a very long time.

35:13Lauren Spohrer:Well, we also got a note from Adam who says, Phoebe, you mentioned that your wish was to fly over your house and tip your wings. I wanted to suggest that you book a discovery flight with a nearby flight school. You'll be shown the basics of flight controls and will actually fly the plane. If you live close enough to the home airport, you might be able to arrange with the flight instructor to fly over your house. I think that's a great idea, and you should bring a recorder. Bring us with you. I will stay on the ground.

35:37Phoebe Judge:I, after my recent video interview two days ago with someone who flies their own helicopters, I have just, I'm right there. I need nothing else to get me to get in that plane and start taking lessons. And I am pretty close to a very good flight school, so there's no excuse. And that is what I did for my birthday last year. I took the biplane ride over the house, but I wasn't flying. Lauren, are you ready to find out the answer to the trivia question?

36:14Lauren Spohrer:Yes.

36:14Phoebe Judge:So you guessed South Dakota and 80 miles an hour. Yes. You're wrong on both. Okay. The state is Texas. Oh. The highest posted speed limit in the United States is a stretch, if I believe, route 130. Could be 140. Let me actually tell you. 130. It's a 40-mile section of the Texas State Highway 130 Toll Road, also known as the Pickle Parkway between San Antonio and Austin. And the highest, the posted speed limit is 85 miles per hour. Wow. Rarely have I ever gone 85 miles an hour. I can't imagine. And then you go five over, you're going 90.

37:01Lauren Spohrer:Would you like to talk about things you've been enjoying lately?

37:05Phoebe Judge:Yes, I would. Well, I think one of the things that you've been enjoying and I've been enjoying, we actually, I don't know if this has ever happened before. I think we have a crossover.

37:14Lauren Spohrer:This is also, this is going to be a reveal into our lives.

37:19Phoebe Judge:What part of it? What do you mean? A reveal into, but tell me what, I'm just wondering what the reveal is going to be.

37:25Lauren Spohrer:I just think this is personal.

37:27Phoebe Judge:That we'd be interested in this? Yes. Well, we bought the founding membership for a month, so I don't know if we're going to be interested next month.

37:36Lauren Spohrer:Phoebe and I had a misunderstanding about this also. I said I bought, I became a founding member, which she somehow thought meant that I was like an investor.

37:49Lauren Spohrer:In a new local yoga studio. But it's not just yoga, it is hot yoga. It's hot. And we are both going and we are trying so hard in there.

38:04Phoebe Judge:Here's what happened. Lauren said there's this new yoga place that's just opened in downtown Durham. Well, we know why you're going back. It's because of the smoothie bar, which are pretty good. She said it's great. She said the best thing about it is that you can order your smoothie before class. And when you walk out of class, it's lined up for you with your name on it. No waiting. She went, she said, would you come with me? And I said, Lauren, I can barely do yoga, and I certainly have never done hot yoga.

38:32Lauren Spohrer:Well, at first I misunderstood and thought I could bring you for free because of my founding membership, which was incorrect.

38:38Phoebe Judge:So I went to an hour-long hot yoga class. I had not gone to a yoga class since about eight years, a real-life yoga class. I do little yoga Peloton stuff. And I didn't know what to expect. I go in there. I grab a little towel. We open the door. It is just a furnace. It's 107 degrees. Lauren and I put our little mats side by side, and we start going. The sweat is pouring off of me.

39:07Lauren Spohrer:I look over at Phoebe's mat. It is like ate the dog, got out of a lake, and shook off. Your mat was, and I said, you were sweating more than me because you have such high levels of cardio fitness.

39:22Phoebe Judge:I was sliding. My feet were sliding.

39:26Lauren Spohrer:She was also just glaring at me the entire time.

39:30Phoebe Judge:You're so hot. You can't do anything. You don't understand the poses. Warrior one, two, front lunge, crescent moon, shavasana.

39:41Lauren Spohrer:The music is very loud also. I couldn't hear.

39:44Phoebe Judge:I was so hot. I cannot hear the instructions. I'm just trying to follow along with her. So we go to the first, we get out of it. And then the most wonderful thing in the world is at the end of it, They come by with a cold lavender towel, and it feels like heroin. This must be what heroin feels like. It's fantastic. Anyway, so that's my number. Can we say it's your number one too, Lauren?

40:13Lauren Spohrer:Yeah, absolutely. I've really been enjoying it. It feels so good to walk out of there and have your smoothie, and then I don't know why it's so fun.

40:23Phoebe Judge:It's so hard, though, in the middle of it. It's just, it's so hard, man. Gosh. But you know what? I got one of those towels, so I put the towel on top of the mat now. It helps with the sweat. What's your number two, Lauren?

40:39Lauren Spohrer:My number two is a movie called Black Bag.

40:43Phoebe Judge:Is this one of these corporate thrillers?

40:46Lauren Spohrer:No, but it's Cate Blanchett. Do you pronounce it Blanchett or Blanchett?

40:50Phoebe Judge:I pronounce it Blanchett. Oh.

40:53Lauren Spohrer:Black Bag. This is a spy movie directed by Steven Soderbergh. And it has Cate Blanchett and Michael Fassbender. They are both intelligence officers, married. And that's all I'm going to say. I thought it was wonderful.

41:07Phoebe Judge:Okay. The second thing I've been enjoying lately on my new makeup journey. Hot yoga, makeup, who are you? Is Jackie Strico here at Criminal recommended this. product. And then my niece said, you have to have it. It's not fancy. This is my clear water. Oh yeah. My cellular. My cellular water.

41:31Lauren Spohrer:No, no, don't. I'm not sure.

41:33Phoebe Judge:This is makeup remover and it does a fantastic job. And I'd use those Neutrogena wipes and things. This is the stuff. It's not expensive. You squirt it on a little piece of cotton and it takes off all of your makeup. So that is my number two.

41:50Lauren Spohrer:My technique for removing mascara is you just wait.

41:55Phoebe Judge:That's my technique too, but you know what happens when you wake up in the morning?

42:00Lauren Spohrer:Yeah, it's fine. You just move forward. You just take the toilet paper and scrape underneath your eyes and then, yeah.

42:07Phoebe Judge:Just rough scraping, just like the makeup application.

42:10Lauren Spohrer:With the toilet paper, that's right. As I say, just use your hands.

42:14Phoebe Judge:So that, yes, that's my number two. What's your number three, Lauren? My number three is a chain mail cast iron pan scrubber.

42:24Lauren Spohrer:Do you own this? Yes, I do. Oh, wow. I've been making scrambled eggs every morning in a cast iron, and it is not fun to clean unless you have one of these little chain mail scrubbers.

42:35Phoebe Judge:Yeah, that's a great recommendation.

42:37Lauren Spohrer:It's a simple, beautiful device. And then if you feel like it's getting kind of dirty, you just put it in the dishwasher.

42:42Phoebe Judge:Yep, it's great.

42:43Lauren Spohrer:If people knew how much stuff I put in the dishwasher.

42:48Phoebe Judge:Listen, I would love to give a tutorial on how to care for a cast iron pan.

42:52Lauren Spohrer:That would be fun.

42:53Phoebe Judge:I have cast, my father uses a cast iron pan that was his mother's, that he used, she used when they were growing up.

43:03Lauren Spohrer:That's cool. And if you saw it, it looks exactly the same. Is it smooth? Is it like shiny? Yes, perfect. It's beautiful. That's really cool.

43:09Phoebe Judge:You never put soap.

43:10Lauren Spohrer:I have a friend who doesn't ever wet their cast iron. They only use very, very coarse salt and a ton of scrubbing. Yeah, you have to see. Never water.

43:20Phoebe Judge:You do. You know, this idea that if it's better, you should season it every once in a while, too. You know, by putting.

43:25Lauren Spohrer:And when you say that, you mean olive oil in the oven?

43:28Phoebe Judge:Hot, yeah, very hot. The number three thing that I've been enjoying lately is, I think I do enjoy it. I think I'm going to say I'm enjoying it. is the new season or the new, I don't think it's season, of the show Beef. I can't wait to start it. It's very dark, but there are these tiny little gestures and words that are so funny, so quietly weird and funny that I I recommend it. I've watched two episodes, but I'm enjoying it.

44:08Lauren Spohrer:I think Carrie Mulligan is just She's great in this.

44:11Phoebe Judge:Yeah. She's great.

44:13Lauren Spohrer:Oh, you had a review of Marty Supreme. Yeah.

44:16Phoebe Judge:I was flying back from Boston yesterday, and Marty Supreme when I tried to watch it before, it was$20 to rent on Amazon or something. So I've never seen it. I didn't see it for the Oscars. But it was free on Delta. I didn't like it. I felt like I was on a moving train and I couldn't get off. And it was witty, of course, and moves so quick. But I needed something slower and quieter.

44:48Lauren Spohrer:I walked out of Uncut Gems for a similar reason. I just was like, I needed to stop. I'm not enjoying it. I want to get off. I want to get off. Yeah, yeah.

44:58Phoebe Judge:That's how I felt about Marty Supreme. And I didn't even finish it. I have 43 minutes left. Plane landed. I don't know if I'll go back.

45:07Lauren Spohrer:I watched the movie of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with Colin Firth. A pretty slow start, but then I very much enjoyed it.

45:16Phoebe Judge:Well, Lauren, I have to go because I am going to start tracking an episode of Love right now.

45:23Lauren Spohrer:Great.

45:24Phoebe Judge:Talk to you next time. Bye bye.