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Podcast Summary: Criminal - Episode: The Bodies in the Bog
Podcast Overview Title: Criminal Description: Criminal is a groundbreaking podcast that delves into the lives of those who have committed wrongdoings, been wronged, or find themselves caught in moral dilemmas. Hosted by Phoebe Judge, it was recognized as a Best Podcast of 2023 by The New York Times.
Episode Summary Title: The Bodies in the Bog Description: This episode recounts the discovery of a human foot in a bog near Manchester, England, in the summer of 1984, leading to a deeper investigation into the local history of crime and archaeology.
Key Characters
- Rachel Pugh: Local newspaper reporter for The Wilmslow World, who received the tip about the foot found in the bog.
- Peter Rainbart: The husband of Malika Rainbart, who disappeared in 1960 and later confessed to her murder.
- Rick Turner: Archaeologist who excavated the remains found in Lindo Moss.
Major Themes and Discussions
- Discovery of the Foot:
- In 1984, Rachel Pugh received a call from the police about a foot discovered in Lindo Moss, a peat bog.
- The foot was found by a peat cutter who initially mistook it for a piece of wood.
- Historical Context:
- Lindo Moss had a history of human remains being discovered, including a skull identified as potentially belonging to Malika Rainbart, a woman missing since 1960.
- Peter Rainbart, after being confronted with the skull, confessed to his wife’s murder, revealing personal struggles including his sexuality which was criminalized at the time.
- Archaeological Uncovering:
- Rick Turner discovered more human remains during an excavation, which led to the identification of a well-preserved body known as the Lindo Man, dating back nearly 2,000 years.
- The bog's unique conditions contribute to the preservation of organic materials, providing insights into ancient lifestyles and deaths.
- Human Remains and Culture:
- The episode explores the cultural significance of bog bodies, highlighting the ritualistic aspects of human sacrifice and offerings to deities in ancient societies.
- The Worsley Man, another bog body, was discussed, noting evidence of violent death and potential ritualistic sacrifice.
- Ethical Considerations:
- The preservation and display of human remains in museums raise questions about respect and dignity toward the deceased.
- The episode suggests that viewing preserved bodies can foster a connection to the past and provoke conversations about mortality and cultural practices surrounding death.
Key Takeaways
- Unsolved Mysteries: The episode emphasizes the unresolved fate of Malika Rainbart, whose body was never found, contrasting with the well-documented history of the Lindo Man.
- Archaeological Insights: The techniques used in archaeology and the significance of bogs as both burial sites and places of reverence were explored.
- Human Experience Across Time: The narrative connects past and present, suggesting that understanding ancient deaths can illuminate modern perspectives on life, death, and cultural practices.
Conclusion The episode “The Bodies in the Bog” intertwines crime, archaeology, and historical narrative, revealing the complexities of human life and death. Through the story of a discovered foot and the subsequent archaeological findings, it reflects on the enduring mysteries of our past and their implications for current society.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:28Amazon has everything for everyone on your list. Support for this show comes from Strawberry.me. Be honest. Are you happy with your job? Or are you stuck in one you've outgrown? Or never wanted in the first place? Sure, you can probably list the reasons for staying, but are they actually just excuses for not leaving? Let a career coach from strawberry.me help you get unstuck. Discover the benefits of having a dedicated career coach in your corner. Go to strawberry.me slash unstuck to claim a special offer. On that day, I was sitting there. I was a bit bored because we'd gone to print. So everything in the office relaxed.
1:13It was hot. And all of a sudden, phone rings. In 1984, Rachel Pugh had recently started working for a local paper called The Wilmslow World, just south of Manchester in England. One of the things that I'd done was to build up very good relationships with the police. And they said to me, Oh, Rachel, we've found a foot, which kind of brought me up short. A foot has been found in the moss. Get out there straight away. So I got on my racing bike with my brand new beige shoes. As you can see, really good fashion choice, which I was wearing for the first time that day, bought out of my wages, and legged it out here to the farm, which was where they were extracting the peat.
2:12Peat is a spongy layer of soil found in wetlands. It forms when dead plants don't fully decompose. When it's cut and dried, it can be used as fuel. A man cutting peat that day in a bog called Lindo Moss had spotted what he thought was a piece of wood. When he cleaned it off, he saw that it had toenails. When I got there, the police had just left taking the fort with them, and I spoke to the employers of the farm, a guy called Andrew Mould, and I asked him very specifically, I said, this foot, what was the end of it like? And he said, oh, it had been cut off very sharply. And I thought, I said to him, well, if it's been cut off, it must have been cut off something.
3:04And he agreed, and I asked them to take me out onto the moss to the exact area where this had been discovered. That's where we met Rachel Pugh a few months ago. So what we've got is a big open area and all around the edges there are trees and if you can see over there, there are signs of where the moss has been cut into. So they took me out to the exact spot where they felt that this lot of peat had been extracted. Eventually we stopped by like a mini cliff face and it was much taller than me. It was probably 10 foot, 12 foot, a couple of metres high cliff face with a trough of water underneath.
4:04And they just stopped and said, well, that's where it was. So I had a little look, and all I could see was layers, and layer upon layer, of peat, completely undisturbed. I thought to myself, if somebody had buried something here, they'd have had to dig down, and there would be disturbance. And I thought, but there's no sign of disturbance at all. This wasn't the first time a body part had been found in Lindo Moss. A year earlier, in 1983, the same peat worker, Andy Mould, found a round, hard object covered in peat. He said it looked like a black leather ball. He and another peat cutter cleaned it off and realized it was a human skull.
4:56It had some skin and an eyeball still attached. He contacted the police. They wondered if the discovery of the skull could be connected to an open case they'd been investigating for 20 years A woman named Malika Rainbart had gone missing and police suspected that her husband Peter Rainbart had killed her but he denied it and there was no body When the remains were found in the peat bog police questioned him again Did they just say, we found a skull, and he thought, well, the jig's up, that's her? I believe that that is essentially what happened. The fact is, he confessed. Detectives later said that when they confronted Peter Rain Bart about the skull, he said, it's been so long, I thought I would never be found out.
5:58Peter and Malika Rain-Bart met in 1959 at a coffee shop where she worked as a waitress. Four days later, they got married. The story of their quick engagement was picked up by newspapers around the world. The Daily Oklahoman wrote that the couple decided on marriage 90 minutes after their first meeting. Peter Rain-Bart told the London Daily Herald, Malika has a kind of explosive charm. But about a year and a half after their wedding, Malika disappeared. Now here we are at the cottage. So describe what we're looking at right now. Yeah, I don't want to make too much of this. Oh, because someone lives here.
6:43Yeah, and you don't really want to spook them completely. But we've got this cottage here, and I've forgotten what it's called. Can you see it from here? Heathfield. That's the one, Heathfield Cottage. and it's right on the edge of the moss. It's a small, white bungalow, and the garden goes down onto the edge of the moss. Peter Rainbart was living at Heathfield Cottage when Malika went missing. She was last seen there by a neighbour in October of 1960. And the skull was found 300 metres from Heathfield Cottage. The assumption was made that this would be the skull of Malika Rainbart. After the skull was found and police confronted Peter Rainbart, he said things he'd never said to them before.
7:37He told the police that he and his wife had gotten into a fight. He said he was gay, which was criminalized at the time in the UK, and said that his wife was threatening to expose him. He said she came to the house demanding money. He told police, quote, She flew at me. She was like a vixen. She clawed my face and I defended myself. Newspapers reported that Peter Rainbart had made a, quote, full confession, admitting that he'd killed his wife and eventually buried her body parts in a trench in Lindo Moss. Investigators went back to the bog to look for the rest of Malika Rainbart's body. They didn't find anything.
8:23They started to have questions about the skull. It didn't look the way they thought it should, based on what Peter Rainbart had described. He said he burnt the body and there was no sign of burning on this cranium. Professor and archaeologist, Melanie Giles. So they got it dated, radiocarbon dated, and a date came back as early Roman. The skull was almost 2 ,000 years old. By then it was too late, of course, and they had his confession. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal.
9:08Peter Rainbart tried to walk back his confession, but it was too late. He was sentenced to life in prison. But the body of Malika Rain-Bart had still not been found. And then, eight months later, journalist Rachel Pugh got the phone call about the foot in the bog. There was this crime, which was on everybody's radar, and there were so many questions outstanding. and on the day that I received a telephone call from the police people were very keen to find out more about what had happened because we still hadn't had a body. Everybody was primed for answers to the murder. So what did the police think?
10:00They thought that this might be evidence this might be the body of Malika Rainbart. Before becoming a journalist, Rachel Pugh had spent some time working on an archaeological dig. She'd also read about a book called The Bog People, written by a Danish archaeologist named Peter Globe. The book talks about mummified bodies that have been found in bogs across Europe, including the Tolland man, who was found in a Danish bog in 1950 with a noose around his neck. His features were so well preserved that the author wrote, His face wore a gentle expression, the eyes lightly closed, the lips softly pursed, as if in silent prayer.
10:50It was as though the dead man's soul had for a moment returned from another world. One book review in the London Telegraph had the headline, Pickled in Pete. And I thought to myself, hmm, maybe this is actually something archaeological. This is far more interesting than just an ordinary murder. I just felt in my bones that there was something really, really big here. Rachel Pugh decided to call a man named Rick Turner. He had just started his job as the archaeologist for Cheshire County, where Lindo Moss is located. He went out to the bog the next day. He went straight to the spot, stuck his archaeological trowel in the peat and instantly found a flap of skin, which he instantly knew was something rather interesting.
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14:07In an interview with archaeologist Rick Turner, a reporter described what he found in Lindo Moss on August 2, 1984. A flap of skin hanging out of the peat, the color of espresso coffee, but unmistakably human skin. You could see the pores. Here's Rick Turner talking about that day in a BBC documentary from 1985. Well, following the discovery of the foot, I came out here the next morning, and this was the area that they were working at the time. So the foot would have come from a stack of peat in this particular region. and what I did was walk along the edge of this block of peat and saw what turned out to be a flap of skin protruding from very near the bottom.
14:54Having seen the flap of skin, what did you do? Well, the first thing I did was cover it up and sat down and thought about the consequences. We went back to the police, told them that we may have found more of the body or even the rest of the body. We had to then get the coroner's permission to excavate it. The police asked us if we could lift it in a day. They were getting a bit worried now about the possibility of vandalism, etc. The find was becoming known for various reasons. Rick Turner and his team decided to remove not just the body from the bog, but the entire block of peat around it. They took it to the mortuary at the local hospital.
15:35And I think that in order to have him registered with the coroner, he had to be given a name, so he was called Pete Marsh. It was a joke, really. And the coroner was to assess whether this great lump of peat containing human remains was potentially Malika Rainbart. And so Rick Turner wanted, above all, for the body not to be damaged in any way because it needed to be preserved uncontaminated so that they would be able to find out exactly what was happening. and of course the police wanted to have an autopsy and fairly soon they did carbon dating and the carbon dating proved conclusively that it was not a modern body.
16:30It was moved to London. Archaeologists from the British Museum began to slowly excavate the body out of the block of peat. Here's archaeologist Melanie Giles This was a really new technique that allowed the archaeologists at the British Museum to excavate it forensically to recover as much information as possible without damaging the human remains but to do it under very controlled conditions so that they had to only work in little stints so they could bring the body in and out of the refrigerator keeping it as damp and as cool as possible What archaeologists found was the mummified remains of a man's torso, arms, and head.
17:13He has leathered skin, hair on his head, and a beard. His fingernails are well manicured, and you can clearly make out his facial features. He isn't wearing any clothes except for a band of fox fur around his upper arm. He became known as the Lindo Man, And he was the best preserved bog body to have ever been found in Britain. So the bog has this magic to it in that it's cold, it's wet, and it excludes oxygen. But also the sphagnum moss, which is forming the peat, creates this kind of complex polysaccharide reaction where it inhibits decomposition, it inhibits decay. It stops time, basically. And so organic material that goes into its depth is very well preserved.
18:08It gets tanned and stained through what we call a Maillard reaction. And bone isn't well preserved. But things that we normally lose as an archaeologist's hair, nails, intimate details of the creases of skin, someone's skin, or the whirls on their fingers, those are all really well preserved in the bog. The lindo man was so well preserved that the contents of his last meal were still in his stomach. Researchers learned that before his death, he ate a slightly charred griddle cake. He had a small amount of mistletoe in his stomach too. Death showed that the lindo man's body went into the bog about 2 ,000 years ago, and that he died when he was about 25.
18:57Bodies had been found in peat bogs for quite some time. Mostly people thought they died by accidents. People had tried to cross really wet landscapes and fallen into the water and not been able to get out. Or they were murder victims who had been hidden from view by the murderer. And it was only through the archaeological study, the forensic study of these remains, that we realised that with some of them there's something else going on.
19:28so where are we right now? so we're going into the store rooms the Manchester Museum has four and a half million things four and a half million things yes but that includes two million insects rocks and minerals a million botany sheets Egypt and Sudan is only 18 ,000 objects from Egyptian and Sudanese antiquity. Dr. Campbell Price is curator of the Egypt and Sudan collections at the Manchester Museum. We met him one day after the museum had closed. The sound you can hear is the air conditioning unit, which is controlling not so much the temperature as the humidity, so you don't want, of course, relative humidity to go above a certain point.
20:19Look at those, they're like whole sarcophagus. Yes, so that this is essentially a mortuary of ancient Egyptian people. We'd asked if we could come and see a bog body they have in their collection, a head known as the Worsley Man. We walked up a set of stairs. At the top, sitting on a table, was a cardboard box with a lid on it. It said, very fragile, handle with care. This is the head Worsley Man. Oh, this is him in this box. This is him in the box. He's not on display. He's not been on display for a long time. So how many people, not many people come back and look at him? No, no, no. I think you're the first group of people who've asked to see him in quite a while.
21:15The Worsley Man is a skull that was found in a bog near Manchester in the late 1950s, also by a peat cutter. The peat cutter, a man named Pat Connolly, told the local paper, quote, I was walking along the trench, clearing out peat, when I saw what looked like a white ball. I kicked it, and it rolled over. That looks like a skull, I thought. And it was a skull.
21:45The head of conservation at the Manchester Museum, Sam Beeth, put on gloves and opened up the box on the table for us. Oh, there he is. Wow. Very, very fragile. You can see where his teeth were so clearly. He's still got a couple of teeth. So will you just describe what we're looking at? So we're looking at a male skull. He's still got some tissue to the right-hand side around his ear and his lower jaw. And there's a lot of it breaks around his right eye socket and the back of his head. It's not just like a regular skeleton head. I mean, there's, as you say, tissue, kind of skin that you can...
22:36Yeah, so a lot of the flesh has been preserved because of the chemicals in the bulb tend to preserve those sort of collagen-type materials. So are we kind of looking at his ear? Yep. Wow.
22:59The Worsley Man's skull was found in 1958, about three decades before the Lindo Man. In both cases, the bodies were initially suspected to be recent murder victims. It could be anything. A police representative told the local paper about the Worsley man head in 1958. According to a later news report, there were wild rumors circulating in the nearby village, quote, involving skeletons, murder, and a hoard of gold. Doctors originally thought the skull had been in the bog for less than a year, but soon realized that it was very old. Researchers like Melanie Giles have been trying to learn more about how and why he died We've had some forensic archaeologists look at the head recently again with us So we can see this threefold trauma So Worsley Mann has been decapitated But he also has a major wound across the top of the head Something like a big axe blow that's probably fatal but he also has a wound behind his right ear which is caused by a sword and the exterior wound is really quite massive.
24:16It's just left a very fine nick on the back of the cranium. We can see on the flesh because it's so well preserved and then finally we have the decapitation injury on the back of the head. So there's a lot of trauma and I would think that that happened quite rapidly but from several different assailants with different weapons involved. And the other main bog body we have from this area, Lindoman, had quite a similar pattern of trauma, so a major head injury. He's also been garrotted. A garrot is basically a thin wire or a rope that strangles somebody to death. And then he's also had his throat slit.
25:02and some archaeologists think that this is a pattern of what we might call ritualized sacrifice, the deliberate ending of somebody's life for making up of an offering of somebody to the gods. But there are many different interpretations, so it could be this is a punishment, an execution by a number of different people because somebody's transgressed one of their rights or rules in society And I think you're seeing a number of people responsible for his death trying to meet it out really quite quickly in different ways. Everyone's got their part to play. They know they have to take this man's life.
25:42A recent study published in the journal Antiquity found that there are about 2 ,000 bog bodies that have been discovered throughout Europe. The study found that many of the bodies show signs of violent deaths and were killed during the Iron Age and into the Roman period. It's clear that most of the bodies were put into the bog intentionally. Bogs are special places, and we have written poems and stories and created depictions of them that describe them as wasteland, as terrible places, and they are dangerous. But they're also quite, we think, quite sacred places. Certainly the communities I work on, the Iron Age people, they're going out into the bog to cut their fuel, to mine bog ore, which is the main source of iron.
26:30That's making their tools, their blades, their chariot wheels. The bogs are full of quite special plants. The moss itself is naturally antiseptic. It's a healing agent. So the bog is a rich place and a special place. And I think for later prehistoric communities, when you take something, you have to give something back. so what we know is that from the Bronze Age onwards people are taking things back to the bog offerings, bowls of food animal sacrifices, cauldrons, jewellery and they're placing them into the depths of the water and I think that is they are what we might call an exchange society you take something, you give something back it's an offering and in that sense some of our human remains might be the high end of those offerings that you're making and that might be something that you do particularly at a time of crisis when you've tried your other ritual methods for appealing to the gods and it hasn't worked and maybe you may need to make a spectacular offering of a life
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29:51It was called mummy brown. One London-based paint company manufactured it until 1964, when they told Time magazine that they'd run out of mummies, saying, quote, We might have a few odd limbs lying around somewhere, but not enough to make any more paint. Today, there is still a market for mummies, although not for making powder. A mummy smuggling ring in the U.S. was broken up in 2011, and in 2019, officials at the Cairo International Airport found six preserved body parts, mummified legs, arms, and part of an upper torso, that were hidden inside of a loudspeaker. Today, there are official laws in the UK about the possession of human remains and policies like the British museums which state that, quote, human remains should always be treated with care, respect, and dignity.
30:53Do you think that there's something, I mean, there are a lot of skeletons around that you can look at, but is there something about the fact that when you look at one of these bodies to see skin, to see hair sometimes, that you feel more connected to them, that you want to know more about who they are and what lives and how they died. Yes, there's something I find compelling, enchanting even, about the preservation of somebody's facial features, their hands, their feet. it encourages us to reach out across time to you know to touch them to be with them and to tell their story and as an archaeologist I can I can see details in their lives and their deaths that I can't see in skeletal remains.
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31:47I mean we think about cold cases you know the crime cold cases being you know decades old we're trying to solve something that happened 30 years ago no one's thinking something that happened 1500 years ago 2000 years ago maybe not maybe not maybe I don't know I think um I still think there's a sense of obligation in archaeologists to tell other stories it might not be somebody from the recent community but there is a sense of responsibility there and I think the curators at the Manchester Museum feel that today this man met a violent end and And I don't know at the end of the day whether he was a cattle thief or a local leader who was resisting the Romans or whether he was a kind of sacred figure who went to talk to the gods.
32:37What I do know is that the people who gathered up his decapitated head thought that the right place for that head was in that bog. So I still feel, even if these people died 2 ,000 years ago, time collapses. It doesn't matter to me. Their stories still need telling. It's been almost 40 years since the Lindo Man's body was found in Lindo Moss. He's now on display at the British Museum in London. His body is kept in a case in a gallery that focuses on British and European history. I think that's one of the things that we can do to try and connect people with past humanity I do think it's a good thing that we show bodies in museums because in Britain we don't do death well we're very, very removed from mortality and so most people's first encounter with some human remains will be in a museum and that's a wonderful moment if it's done well to kind of talk about the one certainty of human existence to open up a conversation around death and dying and bereavement and loss, even if that body is 2 ,000 years old, and belief systems and different ways in which people treat the dead and the different ceremonies they have.
33:57And that, to me, is a good way of raising awareness that different cultures have different rights and that the dead play roles often in the lives of the living. They're not dead and gone. They're actually really active participants. You have responsibilities towards them, but also you have these bonds with them.
34:22Probably about three years after the discovery of Lindoman, I decided to go to the British Museum to see the person who my friends used to dub as Rach's old man. They used to say to me, how's your old man, Rach? And so I walked into the British Museum and just walked up to this case and I could see in the case, it was this crumpled body, but with these perfectly polished fingernails. And I felt a tear come to my eye and I thought, we're looking eye to eye and we've got history. And I sort of feel as though maybe our hands, our thoughts reached across the centuries. Several years after Lindoman's discovery, more than 70 bone and tissue fragments were found in the bog.
35:27Some of the fragments are thought to be part of Lindoman's body. Malika Rain Bart's body has never been found. Lindo moss protected Lindo man for all those centuries and it's still protecting whoever's lying in there now what more secrets might there be?
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