Tokyo Joe

5 Jan 2024 · 46 min

Ask about this episode

Ask anything about it. ChatGPT or Claude reads this page and answers with the times it was said.

Connect VO and ask about every podcast you hear, including the moments you saved. Add to ChatGPT · Add to Claude

In short

Criminal Podcast Episode Summary: Tokyo Joe

Overview Podcast Title: Criminal Episode Title: Tokyo Joe Host: Phoebe Judge Description: The episode explores the life of Ken Eto, a Japanese-American mobster who worked for the Chicago Outfit for 30 years and was known as the mob’s bolita expert, before ultimately being turned on by the very organization he served.

Key Characters

  • Ken Eto (Tokyo Joe): Japanese-American mobster and bolita expert for the Chicago Outfit.
  • Dan O’Sullivan: Journalist who wrote about Ken Eto.
  • Elaine Smith: FBI agent who played a significant role in investigating and arresting Ken Edo.
  • Vincent Solano: Ken's reputed boss within the Chicago Outfit.
  • Johnny Gattuso & Jay Campisi: Associates involved in the assassination plot against Ken.

Historical Context

  • The Chicago Outfit: A powerful organized crime family that controlled the Chicago underworld, known for its involvement in illegal gambling, extortion, and various rackets.
  • Bolita: A lottery game popular in Puerto Rican communities, generating millions in illegal revenue for the mob.

Ken Eto's Background

  • Born in California in 1919, Ken experienced poverty as a child of Japanese farmers.
  • During World War II, he was interned due to anti-Japanese sentiments, where gambling became a significant part of his life.
  • After the war, he became involved with the Chicago Outfit, emerging as a major player in the bolita racket.

Rise to Power

  • Ken's ascent in the mob was rare for a Japanese-American in a predominantly Italian-American organization.
  • He was involved in violent takeovers of gambling operations, targeting marginalized communities and generating enormous profits.

The Turning Point

  • In 1983, Ken was arrested on gambling charges, and while awaiting sentencing, he was approached by mob associates for a hit due to fears he might inform on them.
  • During a suspicious dinner meeting, he was ambushed and shot three times in the head but miraculously survived.

Aftermath of the Assassination Attempt

  • Following his survival, Ken was offered immunity by federal prosecutors if he cooperated.
  • He provided crucial information about the Chicago Outfit’s operations, leading to the arrests of several mobsters, including Johnny Gattuso and Jay Campisi, who later went missing and were found murdered.

Ken Eto’s Legacy

  • Ken's cooperation with the FBI contributed significantly to organized crime investigations and prosecutions under the RICO statutes.
  • He lived under witness protection for nearly 20 years, adopting a new identity as Joe Tanaka and eventually passing away in 2004.

Key Themes

  • Betrayal and Loyalty: The episode highlights the thin line between loyalty and betrayal in organized crime.
  • Identity and Survival: Ken's journey illustrates the complexities of identity, racial dynamics within the mob, and the struggle for survival against formidable odds.
  • Justice and Redemption: His eventual cooperation with law enforcement serves as a narrative of redemption amid a life of crime.

Conclusion The episode "Tokyo Joe" provides a riveting exploration of Ken Eto's extraordinary life, shedding light on the intricacies of organized crime, the tension between loyalty and survival, and the complexities of identity in a world dominated by violence and betrayal.

Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.

Hear the part that matters, and keep it.Open this episode in VO. Double tap your headphones to save a moment as you listen.
Get VO free

Transcript

Automatic transcript. May contain errors.

0:00Support for Criminal comes from Saks Fifth Avenue. Saks Fifth Avenue makes it easy to do holiday shopping your way, whether you're looking for the right gift or the right outfit. Saks is where you can find everything from a Jimmy Choo bag for a sister who's hard to shop for to a Prada jacket for yourself to dress up for holiday dinner. If you don't know where to start, Saks.com will filter just for items that match your personal style so you can save time shopping and spend more time just enjoying the holidays. Make shopping fun and easy this season and find gifts that suit your holiday style at Saks Fifth Avenue.

0:34Support for this show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? Introducing Odoo. It's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all-in-one, fully integrated platform that makes your work easier. CRM, accounting, inventory, e-commerce, and more. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com.

1:15Megan Rapinoe here. This week on A Touch More, we've got more soccer content for those missing the NWSL. Soccer Power sisters Sam and Christy Mewis join us to discuss the NWSL salary cap, what's different about playing in England, and of course, we talk about their new podcast, Mewis Squared, and the bickers they get into. Check out the latest episode of A Touch More wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube.

1:45What was the Chicago outfit? It was the organized crime family which controlled the Chicago underworld for most of the 20th century. The most famous boss of it that you're going to be aware of is, you know, someone like Al Capone. But after Al Capone went away to prison finally for the tax evasion charges famously, it became a lot less high profile and a lot more powerful. This is Dan O'Sullivan. He's a journalist who writes about the mafia and organized crime. After World War II, Dan says the outfit was run like a massive corporate conglomerate. It acquired businesses, both legal and illegal, across the Midwest and West Coast.

2:33In Chicago, the outfit started taking control of more and more gambling rackets in the city. The outfit very brutally took over the gambling rackets targeting the Black and Latino communities in Chicago. And to do it, they murdered the Black and Latino operators of those rackets in quite savage circumstances. In the late 1950s, several men who organized gambling around the popular lottery game, Bolita, were found dead. One man, Chavo Gonzalez, was found in a vacant lot, brutally murdered. His widow told the police that she knew who was responsible. She said it was, quote, a Chinese man named Joe.

3:23The police later questioned a Japanese-American man in the outfit about the murder. He was known as Montana Joe, or Tokyo Joe. His real name was Ken Edo. I think Ken Edo's in a category of his own. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal.

3:52Newspapers called Ken Edo the Bolida chief and the mob's Bolida expert. Bolida is really a lottery game. Its numbers are drawn from balls. They look like ping pong balls, and each one has a number written on it. The numbers are drawn in San Juan, and word gets back to the Puerto Rican communities in America, in Florida, in New York, in Chicago. And, you know, the numbers you played, if they hit big, you win a prize. And all the income was dark money. It was all going to organized crime. A federal prosecutor described Ken Eto 'o as the most prolific numbers boss that the Chicago outfit had. For a fully Italian-American organized crime associate to ascend through the ranks, there's only one of two ways you do it, which is either you make a lot of money or you're basically a murderer and that's how you prove your worth.

4:51So for a Japanese-American mob associate to ascend basically as high as you could go, that just doesn't really happen. Ken Edo was born in California's Central Valley in 1919. His father worked as a farmer and gardener, and he ran a church out of their home. He was a very strict disciplinarian, later would be described as a religious fanatic. And so he was born into the incredible poverty of Japanese farm labor in really the early part of the 20th century, at a time when, you know, these farm towns would have no Japanese allowed signs on the outskirts of town. When he was a teenager during the Great Depression, Ken Edo ran away from home.

5:42He found work as a farm worker and in canneries along the West Coast. We have some indications that, you know, along the way he started to pick up, you know, in these bunkhouses, gambling as a avocation. Not just a pastime, but a way you could make money as a professional gambler. And he was on his own, really had to rely on his wits, and a really crazy existence for a guy who's barely out of childhood. Ken was 22 years old in 1941, the year the Imperial Japanese Navy bombed Pearl Harbor. The next year, President Roosevelt issued an executive order that authorized the relocation of persons deemed a threat to national security.

6:32And though on paper, of course, it would apply to Italian and German Americans as well, in practice it was really just Japanese Americans. An estimated 120 ,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans were held in internment camps. Ken was taken to the Minidoka War Relocation Center in Idaho. It held 13 ,000 Japanese Americans during World War II. The internment camp superintendent of education wrote, These people are living in the midst of a desert where they see nothing except tar paper-covered barracks and rocks. No flowers, no trees, no grass. The impact must give these people a feeling of helplessness, hopelessness, and despair, which we on the outside do not and will never fully understand.

7:25One of the only things that could be counted upon as sort of a breakup to this tedium with this razor wire around the fence and armed guards would have been gambling. We know from reporting at the time, from subsequent historical records, that gambling rings were pretty common within the internment camps. it's been wondered about by some of the people I talked to for this story what might life have been for him if he had not been interned perhaps it would have turned out differently but gambling became the great focus for him I spoke to Steve Edo, Ken's son and he said that he didn't know if this was gospel or not but he said that one story he had heard was that his father had gotten out of the internment camp by conning the authorities that he was Chinese-American, in fact, and not Japanese-American.

8:28I don't know whether that's true or not, but it gives you some sense of maybe where his career was headed into con artistry as well. And from there on out, he was a professional card sharp. Where did he go once he got out? So he found his way across a lot of the interior west. We know that he was in Denver for a time as a car dealer. He acquired the nickname Joe Montana because he was gambling a lot in Montana. He was most memorably, though, in Pocatello, Idaho. And that's where he started to run into his first real issues with the law. He really puts himself on the map for running a con scheme, a pigeon drop scheme.

9:19A pigeon drop is a con where scammers pretend to find something valuable, which they'll split with a person if they can put some money up front to claim it. In Idaho, Ken told the man he was waiting for some jewels to arrive, but that he needed$5 ,000 to complete the purchase. He promised the man a payout later. The man got a box with just candy bars inside. Ken was sentenced to 14 years in prison. He actually got pretty high marks from the officials within the prison. They said he was of high intelligence, that he seemed to understand that what he had done was wrong. He seemed to be educating himself.

10:03and he insisted to them that he would never wind up back in prison again. Ken Edo was paroled less than a year into his sentence. When he got out, he went back to Chicago, where he'd lived briefly before. How did he find himself in Chicago and why Chicago? After Japanese Americans started to be released from the camps in America, there was a concerted effort by U.S. officials to break up the Japanese American communities which had prospered mostly on the West Coast prior to World War II. And what that meant in large part was directing them to cities like Chicago, which had never had a Japanese American community before.

10:53By the time Ken Edo returned to Chicago, there was more of a Japanese-American community right in that smack dab in the north side of Chicago. The Chicago outfit had established itself on the north side before the war. They were largely headquartered downtown on Rush Street. There are a few stories about how Ken Edo got involved with the outfit. You know, one FBI report stated that Ken Edo had become delinquent on a juice loan, which is an extortionate loan from an outfit loan shark, and was beaten by outfit enforcers for not paying. And that he so impressed these mobsters that they said, we need to keep an eye on this guy.

11:39And that was one story I heard. The other was that his son, Steve Edo, told me Ken Edo's first wife, who was Polish-American, also ran a card game. And, of course, if you were going to run anything involving gambling in Chicago at that time, you would have to pay a tax on the game to, you know, whoever the local mobsters were. And so what did he start to do? the outfit bosses were you know fundamentally quite racist right but they uh recognized that there was money to be made off of the minority communities of Chicago just like any other right and what that meant was that Canetto could carve out a kind of fiefdom for himself as being the specialist on gambling rackets targeting the black and Chinese and Japanese and Latino communities in Chicago.

12:40But his biggest moneymaker would have been the Bolida racket. That was what made him the real money, the income he was bringing in. I mean, it was in the millions and millions of dollars per year.

12:54We'll be right back.

13:10Support for Criminal comes from Quince. Quince delivers everyday essentials for cooler weather that feel luxurious, look timeless, and make holiday dressing and gift-giving feel effortless. I've decided that I'll be getting the same gift for a lot of people this year, And that's a 100 % yak wool turtleneck sweater from Quince. If you know me, get ready for your yak wool sweater. If you need other gift ideas, go look at their Josie European leather braided belt. It's kind of a fun 90s throwback braided belt for a good price. And my last suggestion is a real favorite around here. And that is the Quince Mongolian cashmere gloves.

13:48One of our producers swears by these. They're very soft and look good year after year. step into the holiday season with layers made to feel good look polished and last from quince perfect for gifting or keeping for yourself go to quince.com slash criminal for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in canada too that's q-u-i-n-c-e.com slash criminal to get free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash criminal

14:23Support for Criminal comes from Bombas. Putting on a new pair of socks is a great feeling, especially if they're Bombas socks, made to fit comfortably while giving your feet the support they need for any activity. Bombas has everything from warm merino wool, cashmere blend socks, to everyday compression socks, to perfectly cushioned running socks. And they offer more than socks, too. You can find a new pair of plush slippers or soft quality t-shirts. I've tried Bombas myself, and they've become one of my go-to gifts for friends and families. Their half-calf socks fit just right and never slip down.

14:58I wear them all the time. And another thing that sets Bombas apart is their mission. For every pair of Bombas you purchase, they donate one to someone facing homelessness. So anytime you get something cozy, someone else can too. Head over to bombas.com slash criminal and use code criminal for 20 % off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com slash criminal. Code criminal at checkout.

15:25Tell me about Elaine Smith. She is also a native Chicagoan from the, I believe, the northwest side of Chicago. So she knew the area quite well. She was originally a grade school teacher, but her husband was an FBI special agent. And Elaine Smith, to look at her, she was a very fashionable, attractive young lady who was always bedecked in nice clothes. But her husband had said to her, you know, I think you'd be a good FBI agent too. And at a relatively late age, in her 30s, she applied for and entered the FBI and was accepted. And from the beginning, the assignment that she wanted was with the Organized Crime Bureau back in Chicago.

16:19Four months after starting with the FBI, she got her dream job. And eventually she gets handed a file on this guy, Edo, to Elaine Smith. She described him as, you know, he seemed like a creep at first, like kind of a piece of trash. She read in his file that he was linked to more than one unsolved murder from the 1950s and 60s. She also saw that Ken's name was linked to 50 other FBI files. And thinks, well, this guy is flying under the radar, and nobody has, you know, managed to put the cuffs on him. Nobody seems to realize how important he is to the syndicate gambling operations. and she starts trying to build a case against Ken Edo.

17:06By the 1980s, Ken was in his 60s. He'd been working for the outfit for almost 30 years. The way Ken received messages from the higher-ups in the outfit was through two men, Joe Arnold and Cesar DeVarco. But about once a month, Ken met with his reputed boss in person, Vincent Solano. Vincent Solano allegedly ran all of the outfit's business on the city's north side. Ken would call and say he was the pizza man. It was their signal to meet at an IHOP, so Ken could update him on how much money they'd made or lost. The FBI started following Ken's runners. Runners were the men who collected the bolita slips from the bars, newsstands, barbershops, and restaurants.

17:59where people place bets. Those bets would be collected, and would always be on the same day of the week, right? Because there's going to be this announcement out of San Juan that night. So they need to be collected. They need to be eventually tabulated the next day to determine if anyone won or not. And so what you have is this weekly routine of a couple flunkies of Edo's converging to collect all these slips, pass them on to him. And then the next day, he would go to a motel with a Royal Portable adding machine and work out all the math, see who hit, who didn't, what their takes were for that week, if they were out anything.

18:40So by surveilling them, they were able to start identifying weak links in the chain, and that would be his underlings. And one of those underlings was made a confidential informant for Lane Smith. And from there, it was just a matter of nailing Canetto in the room with the betting slips and proving that he was involved in the gambling racket. The FBI got a room in the same motel where Ken Edo counted up the Bolita money so they could watch him. Elaine was one of them. She was one of the few women working as a special agent for the FBI at the time. You know, maybe a sign of the chauvinism of the FBI at that time.

19:22the male FBI agents played a prank on her, which was to say that they were in Edo's room. And so she knocked on the door, and Ken Edo opens it, and they're face-to-face. And she blurts out, oh, you're not my husband, and he closes the door. And then she goes into the room across the hall where the FBI agents are all cackling, of course. Doesn't that seem like a really dumb joke? I mean, you're working so hard to get this guy? Yeah, I mean, that's, you know... Why would you blow it for that? They fortunately didn't blow it. Maybe the chauvinism against women led Edo also to think that, you know, there's no possible way that lady was an FBI agent, right?

20:06But, yeah, it doesn't seem like the time for horseplay to me, at least. A few days later, the FBI decided it was time to make an arrest. They waited for Ken Edo to arrive. Then they knocked on the door with a warrant. One of Ken's men vomited when he saw the FBI agents. So you have this surreal, you know, scene where Edo is totally cool and collected while his assistant is vomiting. And he is cuffed. He asks the FBI agents to take his glasses out, put them on for him to read the warrant. and that's now the second time that Elaine Smith has been face-to-face with him. He is charged on a syndicated gambling charge that doesn't carry that much time, but Elaine Smith, while fingerprinting him, tries to get him to open up a little and talk.

21:06And he makes it very clear to her, I will never, ever talk. Ken Edo told Elaine Smith, I understand that you have a job to do, and trying to convince me to be a snitch is part of it. But that is not who I am. And Ken didn't fight the charges. On January 18, 1983, he was convicted of gambling and conspiracy. The Chicago Tribune reported that in three months, Ken's Bolida operation made almost$6 million. dollars. Ken expected to be sentenced to a couple of years in prison. While he was awaiting sentencing, he was allowed to live at home, and his boss, Vincent Solano, asked to see him. To put it as bluntly as I could, if there was even the suspicion that you had informed, the odds would be that you would be found in an abandoned car in the trunk with your throat slit, And that would just be how that would be dealt with by the outfit.

22:10They did it many times. And they would do it for much less than simply seeming to inform. Ken Edo met Vincent Solano at their usual spot, an IHOP. They took a walk while they talked. Solano seems nervous. He asks, all right, are you going to do the time? And then he directs him, actually, I want you to appeal. And he's all jumpy. At one point, he says to Edo, what's that you got in your pocket? And he just takes his hand out of his pocket and he has a, you know, a pack of cigarettes. And he says, I thought I saw something. So he's all jumpy. And then Vincent Solano said he wanted Ken to meet with a man named John Gattuso.

22:55He wanted him to rent John Gattuso an empty restaurant Ken owned in the Chicago suburbs. It was called Mary Lou's, named after Ken's wife. He said a man named Jay Campisi was interested in taking over the restaurant, along with John Gattuso. That also strikes Edo as odd, because John Gattuso is a low-echelon guy in the outfit at that time, of which there were many, who is not quite an outfit member. Gattuso operates kind of the most despised rackets within the outfit. And that would be legitimate restaurants and bars that they have or have influence over, but also gay bars and bathhouses on the north side of Chicago.

23:48Jay Campisi is mentioned in this conversation as well as the man who's going to be the partner with Gattuso on renting out this space that Ken Edo has. Campisi is more senior. He's in his 60s. He would have been a specialist in juice loans, a loan shark. And, you know, someone who, you know, has a cigar always clenched in his mouth. Campisi's a soldier. When Ken heard that Solano wanted him to meet with these guys about the restaurant, in his head, would he have been thinking, hmm, this doesn't quite add up? Yeah, I mean, what's remarkable is he goes to this meeting at this vacant space he has that he's going to maybe lease out to John Cattuso.

24:37And he thinks they're going to they're going to kill me here. What happens is he had a leak in the radiator of his car. So his wife, Mary Lou, drove him to this to this meeting and she waits out in the car. Cattuso eventually turns up in this dented orange car and goes in to meet with him in there. Mary Lou's waiting outside in the car. She notices also that two men also pull up in another car with gloves on and hats on and wait outside until the meeting concludes. Now inside, Canetto has a meeting with Cattuso. Cattuso is like not prepared for it. he flips open his wallet to give him a card to write down his number on.

25:23They'll figure it out another time. He says his backer fell out or something like that. And an interesting side note, when he opens the wallet, Canetto sees a Cook County Sheriff's Deputy badge. The reason for that is John Gattuso is a one or two day a month Cook County Sheriff's Deputy, which was a common sort of trick in a very corrupt police force at that time that outfit guys would have a job as a sheriff's deputy. But anyway, he thinks, oh, they were going to kill me right there, but maybe my wife being there, complicated things, messed it up. So if that's the case, that leaky radiator, you know, saved his life that day.

26:13We'll be right back. Thank you.

26:47And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com.

27:17Of course he did, right Santa? You know, my elf Drewski here, he handles the nice list. And elf, I'm 6 '3". What everyone wants is iPhone 17. And at T-Mobile, you can get it on them. That center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies, right, Mrs. Claus? I'm Mrs. Claus' much younger sister. And at T-Mobile, there's no trade-in needed when you switch, so you can keep your old phone. Or give it as a gift. And the best part, you can make the switch to T-Mobile from your phone in just 15 minutes. Nice, my side of the tree is slipping. Timber! The holidays are better at T-Mobile. Switch in just 15 minutes and get iPhone 17 on us with no trading needed.

27:55With 24 monthly bill credits for well-qualified customers plus tax and$35 device connection charge. Credits end and balanced due if you pay off earlier. Canceled. Finance agreement, 256 gigs,$830. Eligible port in a new line,$100 plus a month plan with auto pay plus taxes and fees required. Check out in 15 minutes or less per line. Visit T-Mobile.com. A few days after the restaurant incident, Cesar DeVarco had another message for Ken Eto. He gets told something very odd by DeVarco. DeVarco says, so you're going to have dinner with Vince and Jay Campisi and Johnny Gattuso. And if Edo was just suspicious prior to that, he knows they're going to kill him.

28:34Because in the 30 years he's been working for Vince Solano, he's never been invited to dinner with him. I mean Solano's a guy who's so cautious about discussing any sort of business about even socializing with his men that they used to have a regular Christmas party every year for the Northside crew which he abandoned due to FBI surveillance so they're not even doing that anymore and now he's going to have dinner with him so he knows that's it and he walks back to his car and he knows they're going to do it then I mean, was it just that there's no point in me running? There's no point. I think that's part of it.

Read the full transcript

29:17I mean, where's he going to go? The feeling that they could get you anywhere. But I think also he had a feeling that in a weird way that that was what he owed them as a soldier. Like, you know, this gets very romanticized. But I do happen to think that he felt this was kind of their right to do if they saw fit. But it's certainly hard for me to put myself in that situation, you know. So tell me about what happened that night. So Edo drives around for a little while and then goes home. He takes a bath. He gets dressed, puts on a good suit. And he importantly tells his wife where the life insurance paperwork is, which certainly arouses her suspicion.

30:12And he says, I'm going to go, you know, I'm going to go have dinner with friends. I, you know, I hope it works out, basically. And gets into his car. It sits in the driveway for about a half hour. And then finally takes off. drives into the northwest side of Chicago to a VFW hall that Jasper Campisi runs a card game at, picks up Campisi and Gattuso. They get into his Ford. Campisi's riding shotgun, directing him. Gattuso gets in the back. And Edo is trying to make small talk. You know, talking to Gattuso. I didn't hear from you this weekend about your backer. It's like, oh, yeah, it fell through again.

31:00Okay. They drive over to a parking lot behind the Montclair Theater where Campisi directs him to the far end of the parking lot so they don't have to walk far. The restaurant's right there. They're going to meet Vince there. And Edo is, you know, pretty sure and drives past the one other car in the parking lot, parks against a metal barrier, and kind of just waits for it. And Gattuso, who's behind him, raises a.22, fires three times into his head, and Campisi and Gattuso flee.

31:43And Ken Edo has not been killed by this. Yeah, that's the big surprise. Campisi and Gattuso flee. The other car in the parking lot they had prearranged to have there so they could escape. Edo, after the first shot, he knows well. It's like I thought, right? They're killing me. But then the second shot hits, and he thinks, I'm not dying. So he starts faking convulsions, collapsing. Third shot hits, and he slumps over as if he's dead on the front seat of the car. They flee. He can even hear their footsteps running away from it. He stays there until he's pretty sure that they're gone. Writes himself up, staggers out of the car, and he did not lose consciousness even.

32:38He stumbles to the street. He's bleeding from his head. He slips on the ice. He gets up, and he sees a pharmacy, terminal pharmacy, goes in there. He can barely hear, but he sort of shouts, I need an ambulance. I need it. And that's when the police show up and an ambulance shows up. And he points at the rookie police officer and says, I want you in the ambulance with me. Because he's worried he's going to be finished off. And that ambulance whisks him to Northwest Hospital, where they discover after three shots to the head, none of them cracked the skull. He's going to be fine. but he is a strange zombie of a mob victim who has survived, which basically never happens.

33:31At the hospital, the doctors did an x-ray. One doctor said, quote, the bullets just ricocheted right off his skull. The FBI put agents all around Ken's room to protect him in case the outfit attempted another hit. And then they called a federal prosecutor named Jeremy Margolis and told him to get to the hospital as soon as he could. They said if Ken Edo would talk, Margolis could offer him immunity. It's very, very interesting reading the transcripts to see all these FBI agents and police officers and prosecutors crowding around his room and talking a lot and Edo not really saying much. But just sort of evaluating everyone, he's quick enough to determine that if he's going to talk at all, he needs indemnification from any charges.

34:27And so he hones in on Margolis and actually says that he wants everyone else to leave the room while he talks with his prosecutor. And that's when Margolis has to make his pitch, basically. So Edo is even, you know, not being able to hear very well. His head is wrapped in gauze. The blood is still coming through the gauze and getting everywhere because they're actually even kind of holding back doctors from working on him further after surgery to try to get him to talk. Even in that condition, Edo is still being pretty calculating. So Margolis makes his pitch, and I think, you know, Margolis is talking to me as sort of self-effacing about it that, you know, three holes in the head are a pretty good convincer.

35:18But I think what Margolis does right is he doesn't insult his intelligence. He says, look, you and I know what was done to you was not right. They had their shot. They missed. And they tried to kill you unfairly, on specious grounds, on the idea that you're an informer. We know you're not an informer. I know you're not an informer. you know you would never talk but they didn't know that and the reason is that you're Japanese they don't trust you you might make money for them they're never going to trust you you're going to be the first to go so the only thing that's right now is you have to give us those names so we can go after the men who did this and that's your only shot otherwise you're dead you can go out there again and they'll get you eventually you know that and Edo seems to reflect on this and he says okay and so the exact machinations of his thoughts are always going to be a mystery but it seems to be to me at least from everything I've talked to people about with this and read about and researched I think it's just that same gambler's instinct that this is the only hand he has to play, you know.

36:43And so they bring everyone back into the room. He gets it on tape that he's indemnified, and for the first time, he begins to talk. The FBI made arrangements to move him to a naval hospital and closed off an entire ward for him, surrounded by guards. They let his son Steve come visit. At the time, Steve was living in Minnesota. Steve remembered his father saying, quote,

37:19Elaine Smith, the FBI agent who first arrested Ken at the hotel, also came to see him. When she arrived, she asked if he remembered her. He said, how could I forget? You run the show. and they fall into a very easy conversation suddenly. He can finally talk candidly about what had happened to him, what his reasoning had been, and in an almost weirdly kind of fatherly way. Elaine says she asked him about the night he'd been shot. He told her about the supposed dinner with Jay Campisi and Johnny Gattuso and Vincent Solano. She asked why he'd gone, knowing they were probably going to murder him. He told her, I thought maybe there was a small percentage of an edge, but very small, and I had to take it.

38:20The police arrested Johnny Gattuso and Jay Campisi on attempted murder charges. And then the FBI tried to get one of them, to become an informant. They make their pitch to both of them. And Campisi is arrogant. He says, no way, and basically implies he's going to get a pass. He screwed up, he's going to get a pass. Gattuso, who's the weaker of the two, you know, Margolis described him to me as being utterly beaten, having this hangdog look on his face, and that he just did not have the strength to turn, to turn on his family, on everything he knew. And so what happens is the two of them, somewhat unexpectedly, pay an enormous federal bond to be released.

39:12And of course what the prosecutors and the FBI realize is the outfit put that money up. A few months after their release at a pretrial hearing, federal prosecutors said they had found a few strands of Johnny Gattuso's hair in Ken Edo's car. A few days later, on July 12, 1983, Jay Campisi and Johnny Gattuso went missing. They were found two days later in the Chicago suburb of Naperville. They had been stabbed. Their bodies were left in the trunk of Jay Campisi's car. No one was ever convicted for their murders. Ken disclosed his own involvement in the outfit's murders. He helped to close unsolved homicides from the 1950s and 60s, some of the same ones Elaine Smith had seen in his file when she first started investigating him.

40:08Most of the culprits were already dead, so prosecutions weren't forthcoming. But at least for the families of those victims, they were able to give some closure. Edo was able to provide more insight on what had happened. You know, Chavo Gonzalez had just been in the way of the outfit. One of the other victims had thrown a pipe at a bodyguard outside an outfit game, card game, and that was enough for him to be murdered. Something that was stressed to me over and over again was that mob witnesses are typically evasive. They typically lie about some aspects of things. the fact that he was fairly blunt about his own involvement in those murders and that his story didn't change led a long way towards proving his credibility in the eyes of law enforcement.

40:57The FBI called the investigations, based on Ken's information, Operation Sunup. Ken Edo gave the FBI information on how the outfit was run, what businesses they were involved in, and who they were bribing. The same year Ken Edo was shot, Ronald Reagan announced the creation of the President's Commission on Organized Crime. Its goal was to expose the mob's reach in America. Two years later, in 1985, Ken Edo testified at the commission. At the time, he was in the Witness Protection Program, and he appeared in disguise. eyes. He wore a black robe and a hood covering his face. There were holes cut out for his eyes and mouth.

41:49He testified about being shot and who had ordered the hit. Bang! I got shot in the head, and I thought, well, I knew it. Second time I got shot, and I thought, wow, it's not taking an effect. Who do you believe ordered the hit on you, Mr. Ito? Vincent Solano. Would Mr. Solano have had to receive permission to do this hit? Yes. From who? Either Joey Alba or Jackie Sorone. Was there a sense in the, you know, in the 80s around this time that organized crime, we have to do something. You know, that in Chicago, at least, I mean, this has been going on for way too long. Yeah, that's absolutely right.

42:45And I mean, what followed after Ken Edo turned, more important, I think, than any individual case, was he gave them kind of the Bible on how the outfit was structured in Chicago, how it operated, and who the key players were in it. And that really gave them a textbook that they then had to start these RICO prosecutions. Now, RICO is the Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organizations statutes, which had been started to be employed in the 1980s to go after these mafia families as criminal enterprises, conspirators, basically, and make more of these charges stick to them as being commissioned as part of this ongoing conspiracy, namely to run a mafia family, right?

43:36And I think absolutely by the 80s, you know, the mafia was so enmeshed in legitimate enterprises that if you were buying concrete in New York, it was coming from a mafia-sourced firm. You know, Las Vegas, those casinos were operated by the mafia with the skim going back to them. So there's finally a successful effort to batter the mafia in the 80s, really, I think, following Ken Eddow's turn and entrance into the witness protection program. Ken Eddow testified at the trial of several leaders in the outfit, including Joey Iupa and Jackie Cerrone. Both men were later convicted. He also testified at the trial of his former associate, Joe Arnold.

44:26Vincent Solano was never convicted. What happened to Ken? Did the mob ever try to find him? One of the most remarkable things that his son Steve Edo told me was that he had been approached by Joe Arnold. and he was told, we will give you a lot of money for a name, an address, something to get to your father. But Steve wouldn't talk. He said that most of the time, he didn't know where his father was while he was in witness protection. In fact, most mobsters who enter the witness protection program, they don't last in it because the strictures are kind of tough. Ken Edo did. And spent, I think, almost 20 years in the witness protection program.

45:18Eventually kept testifying over the years, testified in some big cases, testified before the subcommittee on organized crime and labor, gave a lot of information, and eventually was rewarded with a healthy retirement check from the federal government and a new life. Ken spent the end of his life in the suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia. He died in 2004. His obituary didn't say Ken Edo. It used the name he was given in the Witness Protection Program, Joe Tanaka. The obituary reads, quote, Joe Tanaka, 84, died Friday. The family will have a private service. Mr. Tanaka was a native of Livingston, California, and a restaurant owner.

46:18Dan O'Sullivan wrote about Ken Edo for Chicago Magazine, an epic magazine. The piece is called The Last Gamble of Tokyo Joe.

46:48The End

47:04episode of Criminal, you can see them at thisiscriminal.com. And sign up for our newsletter at thisiscriminal.com slash newsletter. We hope you'll join our new membership program, Criminal Plus. Once you sign up, you can listen to Criminal episodes without any ads, and you'll get bonus episodes with me and Criminal co-creator Lauren Spohr, too. To learn more, go to thisiscriminal.com slash plus. We're on Facebook and Twitter at Criminal show and Instagram at criminal underscore podcast. We're also on YouTube at youtube.com slash criminal podcast. Criminal is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

47:46Discover more great shows at podcast.voxmedia.com. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal.

48:31The Limu Emu LibertyMutual.com. Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. Savings vary. Underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.

From the publisher

Ken Eto worked for the Chicago Outfit for 30 years. He was known as the mob’s bolita expert, bringing in millions of dollars a year for them. But in 1983, they turned on him.
Dan O’Sullivan wrote about Ken Eto for Chicago Magazine and Epic Magazine - you can read his piece here.
Criminal is going on tour in February! We’ll be telling brand new stories, live on stage. You can even get meet and greet tickets to come and say hi before the show. Tickets are on sale now at thisiscriminal.com/live.
Say hello on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts: iTunes.com/CriminalShow.
Sign up for Criminal Plus to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, members-only merch, and more. Learn more and sign up here.
Listen back through our archives at youtube.com/criminalpodcast.
We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery.
Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop.
Episode transcripts are posted on our website.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

More from Criminal

All 173 episodes
Tokyo JoeCriminal · 46 min
Listen in VO