Andrew East: Squeezing the Genetic Sponge

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21:38Oh, man. Dave. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Hey, just real quick. Okay. I'm not mad that when I wake up in my bedroom, you're here, but at some point, do you see an end to it?

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23:37No more wetsuit sheets. Never again.

23:44So I was planning on proposing after my rookie year with the Chiefs. But then I sat down with a mentor. And he was like, well, do you have the ring? And I did because I was in Kansas City. I had some free time. Sean wasn't up there with me. And I went to a jeweler up there that the team recommended. I got the ring picked out. And I had literally just gotten it that day that I was having this conversation with the mentor. And I was like, yeah, I got the ring. He's like, well, you don't need to wait a couple months. You should just do it at the next memorable thing that you guys have on the schedule.

24:16And I, like, pulled up our schedule as we were talking. I was like, well, Sean's throwing out the first pitch at Wrigley tomorrow. Oh, my gosh. He was like, do it there. And I was like, okay. Let me see if I can make it work. And so that was at lunch the day before. I had a call. She was up there with USA Gymnastics to throw the first pitch for some promo. So I called them, and they were like, yeah, let me put you in touch with the Cubs guys, guys like the wrigley because they have a whole like yeah time slot and everything yeah yeah yeah and then i call the cubs guys they're like yeah that'd be so fun uh we'll let you know tomorrow so i wake up the morning i got engaged not knowing that i was supposed to do it yeah it's up to the cubs it's up to the cubs today yes this guy jim called me i was in route because i was like i guess i better go as if i'm gonna do this thing so i'm in route i get the call like an hour and a half before we go on the field and he's like game on he's like i got jerseys made for you oh that's this is great and then i just always in i was just yeah frozen oh yeah yeah yeah it worked out all right so did she did you did like how did it work did she throw and then you asked her or she threw the pitch and she was up there with one of her gymnastics teammates and then i i started walking out there and she like started she was like waving me away she's like don't come out here You can't be on it.

25:37So then I dropped out on me and then I, yeah. Surely there's like a ton of footage of that. There's one iPhone camera. And oddly enough, there's one of the Cubs players in the background, Grim, who now lives in Nashville. I just saw him for the first time since then. No way. Like two weeks ago. He was like, dude, I think I'm in the background of all your engagement photos. Just some random guy. That's hilarious. And then how long are we all engaged? Nine months. then we got married down here in Franklin and we got married then next day had to wake up and fly to Oakland because I got released from the Chiefs, signed to the Seahawks, released from the Seahawks over Twitter which is a whole different story and then I signed with the Raiders and so we had to show up for off season training the day after we got married that was April 2016 good night so we We looked, y 'all were on two years ago, basically, November of 23.

26:35Yeah. So it's like, you know, some water's been under the bridge since then. What a weird way to say. I'm turning into that commercial.

26:42Jon McLaughlin:That makes it sound like we had a beef. Yeah, it's with Walker. It's not with him. Yeah, it's not with him. He was adjacent to it. So, like, catch us up over the last couple of years. How are things at the East Homestead? You've had a third kid since then, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think Sean was pregnant maybe. Yeah, she was. Yeah, so we had a third kid. Or she might have just had a lot of Popeye's chicken. I can't remember what that was like. Had a third kid. He's now almost two. So you have an almost two-year-old, a four-year-old, and then a six-year-old this month. So it's so fun. I was just journaling the other day and writing about how there's no greater joy in life than having a four-year-old boy, dude.

27:29Y 'all have boys, right? John doesn't know that. Bro, the best. Yeah. Sorry. Were you invited to Walker's thing, too? Is that what it was?

27:40Jon McLaughlin:What if I text Walker? I was like, dude, it was only guys who had boys. I am so sorry. No, no, no. Okay, this is how I break it down. When you have a daughter, it's like pure love. There's nothing like that. But boys, it's just like doing dumb stuff all the time with a little mini version of you. It's hilarious. I think I've said this on here before, but actually, I think it was in November 2023. Wow. Ironically, we had some of our really good friends who live in Australia came to visit the States for like a month. And they have a little boy. and it was the only moment that i have had a inkling of like ah like i've never i've never thought like i wanted to have two girls and we have two girls yeah it's unbelievable but there was a moment where i was like man it would be nice to have a boy he and i were in our house and we were just throwing this ball back and forth to each other and then like 30 minutes went by and he and I are both just throwing this ball.

28:45Jon McLaughlin:Yeah. And in that moment I was like, I could just throw this ball with Jed all day long. Yeah. And he could throw this ball with me all day long. That doesn't really happen with my girls. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So yeah. One's not better than the other, but one is definitely simpler. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. I agree with that. Oh man. Anyway. And so kids. Oh yeah. Rocking. What have we done? Well, we just did this TV show. Did we tell you about that? That's the first thing I have on my notes that I want to talk about. Special Forces. Oh, hold on. We'll get there if you don't mind. Can I derail us here?

29:21The third kid we had in December, and then we very quickly realized we needed to go to marriage counseling. So we did this. Did y 'all not do it before? We had done premarital counseling. Well, they've been on dead bill. I was going to say. Yeah, exactly. There's a great car right now. Did you not listen to what we said to you? I was sitting in the car waiting. Sean, get in here. We had done one-offs, but then we were like, oh, we got to change some stuff. And so we just Googled biblical marriage counseling, and we found this place called Rock House. Bro. It was 16 weeks, two hours a week. You'd sit down separately with a counselor.

30:00They'd assign you homework, and it's all like scripture and stuff. Dude, it's all about forgiveness and knowing your biblical identity and pretty much forgiving other people when they don't, I don't know, see that side of you, like who God called you to be, which happens in marriage all the time. And the big thing that happened for me, the reframing, was I thought my wife was the one person who could define my identity and tell me who I was. Yeah. Because that's a special thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love Sean. I admire her. I almost, in some ways, idolize her in some ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:36And I just realized it's still not her place. And it was weird. So anyway, that was 16 weeks. Totally changed the game for us. But then the second closest experience we had was doing this TV show together. Where it was two weeks of like, first of all, you see sides of each other that I'd never seen before. Sean, well, do you know anything about the show?

30:57Jon McLaughlin:Well, I was just going to say, we should kind of like give a synopsis of the show for those who aren't familiar. So there's a show called Special Forces, World's Toughest Test. God, why would you do that? Sorry, keep going. Right up our alley, dude. I would pay so much money to do this thing. I love that so much. Did you not grow up wanting to be a Navy SEAL? Keep going. I wanted to go to SeaWorld to see SEALs, but that's about as close as I got to. Oh, dude. In football, they're always comparing what you do to warfare. Right, right, right. We're stepping into battle. You're like, all right, well, chill.

31:32This was your training with Navy SEALs for like two weeks. And so it's just, can you make it through? And you do physical challenges. You do fear-based challenges. And there's a ton of psychological challenges even, too, where you get interrogated. Anyway, Sean and I got the opportunity to do it together. This is the fourth season. They're filming it. It's on Fox or Hulu, I think. But we get a call. We had like four weeks to train for this. We find out we're going to Morocco like three days before we get on the plane. We're like, Northwest Africa. this is going to be so fun. It's going to be a vacation of sorts.

32:13And we show up, dude, 120 degrees. Shauna, by the way, had been training for this. She ordered a 50-pound weight vest, like rucksack. And the whole vibe around the house was so different because she had entered training mode, which I missed her whole gymnastics career. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you weren't around for that. She's a freaking force of nature. I can't imagine. I can't imagine.

32:38Jon McLaughlin:I mean, it takes some dedication to win a gold medal. Bro, I didn't know it was the difference in mentality. I made it pretty far in my sport. I was decently good. Sean was number one in the world, and the difference is massive. Bro, it's so huge. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. That's why you're way better than me. Holy cow. But it was like she was not nice. So she was already training before you were training, you're saying? She knew she was going to do it, and then they kind of – well, she wanted to prepare to do it. because they had invited her on previous seasons. Oh, gotcha. She was like, well, I don't want to leave the kids or you.

33:13And then they were like, well, what if we throw in Andrew as part of the deal? So anyway, I was kind of like a bargaining chip.

33:19Jon McLaughlin:But you were obviously excited to do it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm going to dominate this. And you're always training, right? Or did you have to do some kind of different training for this? So here's the thing. I trained physically, and I rolled in. I was like, I'm going to freaking clean up this show. I'm going to dominate. There's nobody that's going to be able to – this is what I do is like fitness, as lame as that is. And then I realized it's not just the physical stuff. So I did do well on the physical challenges, but I got quickly humbled by the other things. So like is it aired yet?

33:51Is y 'all's stuff aired yet? Two of the eight episodes I think have. Okay. So what was – so the physical you said you were like – you kind of were like, all right, I can do this. You did it. Yeah, yeah. Why were the others so hard? Well, part of it is you can get seriously injured. So I had to box Eric Decker. Yeah, him and I just went. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, and it was like I thought he broke my nose. My nose still three months later does not feel right. And then they have you play tackle football with no pads with NFL guys. Oh, gosh. And it's co-ed. So you're out there with – the whole thing is just absurd and ridiculous.

34:26Anyway, I cracked a rib trying to –

34:27Jon McLaughlin:You're out there playing football with Sean? Sean's out there? Yes. With Eric Decker? Yes, dude. I don't even know. It's unreal. That seems like there were a lot of waivers you had to sign before you did this. Our lawyer, the contract, she was like, I highly recommend you don't sign this because you're waiving all liability. Anyway, but part of it's like fear. So you can't really practice for underwater submersion. One of the things they had us do was, oh, this was horrible. I didn't know I was claustrophobic. But you're running through practicing urban warfare, and then they're screaming at you saying, you've got to run through this gutter.

35:11So then you jump down on the side of the street. You run through this gutter, and then you come up on this tunnel. And it starts off a big tunnel. Oh, and it gets smaller. Yes, dude. And then it dead ends. And I've got three people behind me, and it's pitch black. And it's so tight that you can't turn around. And so I literally almost had a panic attack. So you can't simulate that. So how did you just back out? You literally had to back crawl like 50 yards, bro. And you're sucking into the hair and dirt.

35:37Jon McLaughlin:Was that the worst thing that you did or the most challenging thing that you did? That was the most panicked I got. There's some stuff that makes your hands sweat. So you do a bunch of like repelling and heights-based stuff, which some people didn't struggle with. Some other people did. One was like underwater submersion. So it's like an airplane, mimicking an airplane crash. So they lower you in and they have this whole protocol that you have to go through before you unbuckle it. You pretty much have to hold your breath for like a minute and remember the sequence of events that you have to go through.

36:09And some people were just in tears from that. One person legitimately shallow water drowned. Limp body, bro. They had to dive down. She started sinking. It's a dangerous ordeal. Well, isn't that part of the SEALs is that they let you drown and revive you? Isn't that part of their thing? Yeah. I've heard that. Yeah. I don't think they meant to do it on the show, but it did happen.

36:32Jon McLaughlin:Well, anytime, I feel like for most of us, when we're watching TV, there's always an element as a viewer that I'm like, everything has a safety here. You know what I mean? Like, even if I'm seeing a show like this, in the back of my mind, I'm like, there's probably, yes, I see what they're doing, but I always assume there's some safe valve or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. was that the case they're incredibly thoughtful with the safety so they had a team off camera of like yeah ready 15 scuba divers yeah yeah but the guy we talked to doing it when this girl started dropping under the water they were like we we couldn't see beyond three feet so like we're kind of just grasping waving was it at night she's no it was during the day but it's like deep it's we're at we're at a dam and so it's like really deep dark cold water oh gosh and they just like couldn't really see her so they they do have all the safety things in place but the other thing is too like one of the things we have to do is rappel out of a helicopter and they don't want to teach you too much that's pretty good to be honest they uh they don't want to like teach you to be a pro repeller they want it to be raw real stuff and so one of the chicks like jumped off got caught on the uh the runner board of the helicopter oh gosh and then you're like this is not a good situation and they just kind of let it play out and they have people there but yeah it gets dicey so so so you mentioned y 'all's dynamic in that like what was that like doing that together and both of y 'all being there like as far as marriage like what yeah was she like get it together come on yeah she's she was not empathetic she she's very she she kind of drug me around and uh she thrived the whole show we were both really we were both in pain a lot of the time but uh but she was in they had this do this relay race on day one so it's johnny menzel do you know johnny and johnny football uh yeah him and i just got wrecked by this thing heat stroke like like weird things happening and if you go see the doctor then they pull you out which you don't want to happen so you just gotta freaking push through it anyway so like you're off the show yeah yeah you get medically withdrawn and nobody wants that so then sean was like bringing me back to life give me all these like electrolytes and like feeding me and it was nice to have her there we were able to support each other without i hope being obnoxious by by like flaunting in front of these other people who didn't have their spouse that yeah well i think i i read somewhere that one of you were saying like that was kind of your mentality going into this show was like you want to you felt responsible you felt the weight of like hey we're representing marriage yeah in this type of an environment like we're here to prove that like this can make our marriage stronger how scary is that that we would be the representatives right terrifying nobody needs that i i just i love i've been thinking about this ever since you said it i love that idea that you know you're married first of all both of you guys are like athletes at the highest level so that's the first thing right like you both competed at the highest professional level of your sports right so it's not like you know you were a really good high school player and then sean's done what she's done like both of you have really excelled so but i just i it's just such a great thing to to hear you say is like you know you know her you're married to her y 'all been married a while you got all these kids but then when she sort of like locks yeah her eyes slit her ears like literally teeth and you're like i don't know this side of her isn't that crazy to think yeah it was nuts it was it was nuts because everything was for the purpose of getting ready for the show and so we'd be getting the kids ready for school and i'm just here clowning around having a good time and the next thing you know i'm getting yelled at and i'm like oh frick like anyway Everything from her demeanor to how we dealt with conflict, it was different.

40:39But it does, kind of what John said earlier, it really does give such a window into that.

40:48It's like the highest of highest high echelon of athleticism. It's way past physical and can you do it physically. you're entering into that really rare fat air of like no no now this is really when it begins is what i tell myself in my brain that i can do yeah where 99 of the world goes that's way too far like i'm already out well and she'll tell you there's a dark side to it so it's like you know in order to achieve the extraordinary you have to be whatever that metric is that's skewed you know like i'm thinking of building a madden character and you have all the qualities and traits whatever whatever that intensity thing is, is really good for making you good at sports, but it makes for a terrible spouse.

41:32You know what I'm saying? So it's like, and that's why you hear all these stories of elite athletes who have, you know, tough transitions out or the whole depression rate. Or there's a documentary called The Weight of Gold that kind of tells a story of you reached the peak of the sport. And then there's like stories of whatever. Which is the free fall afterwards, right? Yeah. Because it's like you're at the very top. Yeah, yeah. And then you've got to return back to normal life and earth and your daughter who's not really sticking that one thing out there, whatever she's doing. And you're just like twitching.

42:07But I think what's great about her is, which you're inferring by saying that, is she doesn't move through the world like that anymore. She's intentionally turned that off to her credit. Yeah, which is really remarkable.

42:18Jon McLaughlin:Then was she able to then turn it off again after the show? It took like four or five weeks of decompressing. Really? Four or five weeks? Yeah, yeah. So how long were you guys filming the show? Two weeks if you make the whole way. And then they give you this whole, you have a psychiatrist assigned to you when you get discharged. And they have like follow-ups that you have to do. People who have been on the show before will say they have PTSD because it's like you get legit like level one tortured at the end. And it's serious. It was super weird. Wait, you said four to five weeks for her to decompress.

42:53Yeah, just come down and lose the edge, if you will.

42:55Jon McLaughlin:Well, because like you were saying, she was in that locked-in mode for what? Like four weeks beforehand, getting ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then did the show. Yeah. I mean, that's like, what is that? Three and a half months. Yeah. Of living in that world. Yeah. I would think the interrogation part, anytime I'm listening to one of these podcasts that talk about you know true crime or whatever and like false confessions and the the interrogation thing is always so fascinating to me because of course i've never been interrogated so i'm like you know well i would never falsely confess to something or why why would you say x when y is true or whatever but there's also a part of me that's like i just don't know what that's like I don't know what it's like to be sitting in a room for eight hours straight and you can't sleep.

43:51Have you seen the show? No. Have you watched previous episodes? Okay. So I had the same thought. And I was like, this is easy. All you have to do is answer the questions and not give up the good. This will be the easiest challenge. Yes, dude. And I'll just, I don't know when this episode's airing, but we both made it to interrogation. 2027. Early. Yeah, yeah. May. We both made it to interrogation, which is the final day. Jeez. And this is where I realized how ill-equipped I was. But they sleep deprive you, so you're up all night. Pretty much, I guess it would be 35 hours. How are they doing that?

44:27Jon McLaughlin:35 hours. Okay, so they have a full day of activities beforehand. So you're tired. So tired. But you're like, I've done 30-hour famines in youth group. I'll be fine. This is nothing, guys. In youth group. we had to do this uh i think it was like a five mile hike through this canyon that was pretty gnarly and then we did this actually insane workout up the side of this mountain and then they gave us like an hour rest but all the all the time on the show you're just terrified because you know something's coming you just don't know when or what it is so like you're preoccupied and like just stressed the whole time and so then they simulated like all these explosions on the home base and again it's it will probably look silly but when you're getting yelled at and there's a lot of explosions and you've been doing it for 10 days it's like the stanford prison experiment we're like this is freaking real we're in a totally and you got the fatigues on the whole thing so then we go out and we had to do this uh it was like a scavenger hunt where we were lost in a village and you had to go from checkpoint to checkpoint with these clues and we end up doing that probably from like 6 p.m.

45:36to 1 a.m. We're just meandering through the wilderness and through these random villages trying to find these clues. And then you get captured by these dogs and they're like these German shepherds barking at you this close to your face and they put a canvas bag over your face. Oh, gosh. It's already hot outside. There's no visibility in this bag. It sounds exactly like getting my engagement. Keep going.

45:59Jon McLaughlin:That's your problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you can't see anything. You're sweating balls. And then they load you up. They zip tie you, load you in the car, and then take you and start the interrogation, which goes from 1 a.m. to 4 p.m. And what are they trying to find out? What are they asking you? So it's all dumb stuff. And they give you this alibi story ahead of time. But then it mixes with... The hard part was, I don't know what the game is. I was trying to hold the alibi. But then they were like, are you married and i was like no because they had told they had told me don't let anybody know that your wife's here and i was like okay no they're like really your wife's right here i was like well i don't know what i'm supposed to do dude like yeah and then it's weird stuff too like there's this scottish lady who's probably i don't know 40 something and she gets up in my face she goes nose to nose with me puts both hands behind my head and i was like are we doing this right now like what's happening dude and i'm asleep she's my wife dude and you're like she's yelling at you and then and then you only talk to people for like five minute windows every three hours or so the other time you still have the bag on you're in stress positions so like one of the this is freaking crazy dude and if you do this for longer than 60 seconds you'll realize how uncomfortable it is so one they put us in a mechanic jumpsuit so i can't physically extend my arms above my head because my shirt's too tight by the way shout out to dadville for this wonderful yeah you look great thank you great then they have you put your hands above your head you can't interlace your fingers you have to stack them like this and sitting when's the last time you sat crisscross applesauce bro your hips are just screaming on fire and and my shoulders and you do that for 45 minutes every hour on the hour and the other times they have you do these other stress positions and so you have a bag over your head you're hot they have headphones on you like this playing all these like nails on a chalkboard pigs getting slaughtered for eight like for a long time for however many hours that is like 12 hours and so you're just in a weird and you're and you're also thinking this is so dumb this is not even good tv they're probably going to show 20 seconds of this on tv and we're doing 12 hours for freaking what so then you start being pissed at the whole thing and then you're getting yelled at by some scottish chick about what is happening.

48:24The whole thing is so... Andrew, you're never gonna be a cat three. That was so good. Your wife is right here. Oh, man. That is... Wow. So when you got done, we don't need to know the ending yet, but when you were finished whenever that was, how did you feel? I was pissed. No way. Because I was like, this is not good TV and it was all unnecessary and I feel like this is not good for my freaking mental health no doubt i thought it was like reality tv so i thought it was just going to be all kicks and giggles and like all these workouts and then they do that and i was like that's dumb i don't like any of these people for putting us through that

49:05Jon McLaughlin:yeah did you feel like you at the end of the interrogation especially especially did you feel like i made it through i i feel accomplished that i made it through that i mean what you just described with where you were sitting down like that just that alone there is no there's no reward bro there's no first of all on the show there is no incentive to make it farther so you're like i could have tapped out day one right i'm still going home the same fine which that actually makes sense to me because sure people who would be drawn to this it's all the producers are like We don't need to give them an incentive.

49:43Jon McLaughlin:Correct. These are the types of people that would do this anyway. These are the crazy people that are like, yeah, I'm going to go dominate. Yeah. Yeah. But with that one, there was no like, ah, my muscles are getting stronger or like whatever you do with a workout. You're just like, what the frick was that, dude? I could have listened to the pigs getting slaughtered for five seconds and gotten the point. Like, you know, I get it. Yeah. Torture's bad. Now I understand, but they make you do it for a long time. So when y 'all are done, did you and Sean walk with different experiences? Do you know what I mean?

50:17Like when y 'all are sort of doing your whenever that way, even if you've done it since. Okay, how did you kind of feel about that? Is she at all like, man, that was pretty crazy, right? Like smiling? Or is it both of y 'all are like, that was a nightmare? No, that's her playlist. I think it's a big thing.

50:37You're not doing it. You're not doing it. Oh, my gosh.

50:49What? Oh, my gosh. I think Sean was equally as rattled. Okay. But less angry. Oh, wow. She was like, I have such empathy for the troops now. And I was like, that was just terrible. And when did y 'all get done? June. In June. Is that what you're asking? Yeah, so it's not been that long. No, yeah. And then the whole, first of all, and we're mic'd up. This is my first foyer into TV. I'm not crazy about it. Yeah, I was going to say you started at the far end of it. Some people are like, yeah, most shows aren't like that. Welcome to the real world. You're about to, you know, in a van for six weeks together.

51:34I'm impressed with your discussion. Thank you. I'm proud of it. um so so do you feel like getting back from that is there anything that you can say to wrap up that thought that you're like you know what it was kind of this was like the the redemptive piece or like you know we have one more thing we did together that we can look back on i mean because obviously some part of it was like oh it's a challenge you know whatever but like yeah it's been positive the farther away we've gotten from it i'm realizing how amazing i mean because it is a bunch of once in a lifetime experiences yeah repelling out of a like it's all cool stuff and i'm like i couldn't imagine sean doing without me or vice versa yeah because the there's no bathrooms dude you're literally pooping in um like a metal bin with no port potty water or anything just like dumping on the on the metal and and then you have toilet duty for the next person who just did that and the whole thing is like savage intentionally where were you guys sleeping are you sleeping a big bunkhouse all 18 of us just in one room and cots and so you get to know these people really well yeah so did anybody that do it were they like were they like this is me in my like did you was anybody that you did it with you're like that guy's like actually loving this there's there you ever heard of the show sister wives yeah yeah uh the guy who's the polygamist cody brown was on the show which by the way had super interesting theological conversation i bet i don't know if they'll share it on tv but he was like loved it really the whole thing dude oh yeah he's married so many women he knows that feeling so frequently you know this is i'm just i'm constantly in a one-way tunnel i can't get out of what tunnel we talking about

53:17anyway that is that is i will say that it's one revelation i had was we get to know these people really well and in a unique context. And then we come back, and I don't know anything about reality TV or some of these actors or whatever. We come back and you start looking the people up online and you see what their brand has been or what controversies they've been in or whatever. And you're like, oh, that's not the so-and-so I know. That's cool. And then Sean and I did this whole YouTube video saying, hey, you know what? What we learned is everyone has redemptive qualities and deserves a second chance.

53:57And people are like, no, never. We hate this message. Legitimately. They're like, that person can go burn in hell. You're like, oh, my gosh. I don't know. That's a tough way. Don't measure me by that rubric by all means, please.

54:11Jon McLaughlin:Anyway. How do you deal with just that element? I mean, the more public-facing you are, you know, the more just... Obviously, you have, like Dave and I have our fans and the people who have been following our music for 20 years now. And I feel like in the beginning, I used to get more sort of, you know, weird comments or bad reviews or things like that. And then now I'm like, it's just down to the people who are on board. but you guys are pretty public facing and probably get, especially now, like with the show, like you're getting attention from people who maybe cursorily know you. How do you deal with some of just the negative comments that you get online?

54:59How to be famous. Well, that's like, that's why I'm here to get mentorship from you guys. Tell me how, what are the ins and outs? Okay. John's going to start. I have a couple of things, but we'll need to stop recording. Cause these are proprietary. Of course. I own the IP. They're part of John's famous course.

55:13Jon McLaughlin:That'd be famous. Because I am really, I was actually just talking with a friend of mine the other day about this. And he was like, I have thin skin. I do not have thick skin. And I feel like, I don't know about you guys. I feel like maybe I snap to, I want to say that I have thick skin. I feel like that's what you're supposed to say. You're supposed to aspire to not like let it roll off your back. That's just not, I'm just not built like that. like one negative comment will stick with me for the day you know sorry to hear that bro yeah I know I know what you're saying I think we've been doing it for 10 years like putting stuff on I didn't realize 10 years well you guys have been putting on music for freaking what 60, 70 years I didn't realize I've been doing it easy easy easy easy book the Botox appointment immediately I keep putting it off I gotta do it now I think Sean and I have a good dynamic One it always helps to Stay out of massive controversies So like you know if you're Trying to live a clean life I think that helps without With feedback You know what I'm saying like just don't do Massively bad stuff So that's That's actually my First point on my proprietary course Be famous and not, number one.

56:39Don't do massively bad stuff. I mean, it's good, you know, to not do that. But then I think you kind of reap what you sow. Like, so if there's, we get negative comments all the time, but then we don't respond to them, you know, because it's like, because then you're just perpetuating like, oh, they're going to leave another bad comment or whatever.

57:02Jon McLaughlin:Yeah, you're not going to like put the fire out. Yeah. Yeah. but I think I don't know Sean and I also we love what we do so like the discouragement doesn't hit I just love freaking making videos so I'm not gonna stop making videos you know well plus you got all that gear now I was gonna say even if the videos don't work you're gonna keep doing it yeah I have to you just love it we have to and I also think being honest with whatever we've shared so much of our life I feel like it kind of hedges against like if we do something dumb which fortunately again doesn't happen it happens all the time but not like morally what am i trying to say not like legally bad stuff right but if we do make a mistake you're like we can be honest enough and there's enough understanding that people have that it it's fine and then you also this is my last thought you can't please everybody all the time not even jesus could do that you know i'm saying so like that guy that guy had a tough ending as well because people didn't like him and you're like i'm not equating myself to him but like it's there's kind of comfort and knowing frank you can live a perfect life yeah and still not appease everybody so i guess i'm maybe like hey dave hey i know you guys are eating i just want can i sing a quick chorus a chorus idea for you okay well no actually i won't you want to wait yeah yeah you got you stage fright all the Yeah, no, shoot.

58:30Jon McLaughlin:Okay. Listen, in the meantime, can we talk about how summer reveals everything about a man's wardrobe? Oh, great subject change. That is brutal. You know, you open the closet and it's just sad, wrinkled stuff. We're all heading that way, John. Me and you. At some point, we will be sad, wrinkled stuff. But right now, what you don't want is sad, wrinkled stuff. And a shirt you've had since 2014. I know. Back when we had bootcut jeans. Oh, gross. Look, that's why we've been wearing quints. quince, European linen pants and shirts, breathable, comfortable. Yes. The kind of thing that you throw on and immediately feel like you have your life together.

59:06I forget I have clothes on, John. I actively forget. I will think, am I, as the Lord made me in the middle of this Kroger, just to look down and realize that's just how comfortable I am. Okay. I can't help that. I can't. And I'm not going to apologize. Okay.

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1:01:08Something that I'm so impressed with y 'all, I think it's so admirable that y 'all are so open book about so many things because I do think it really helps that. I agree with you. I think if you really choose to take that stance and kind of be like, hey, here's what we're good at. Here's some things we struggle with. I was watching somebody else Q and A's. It's like everything just is so out front that it sort of takes a little bit of the veil away of like, well, what are they doing? Are they really like that in person? And it's like this is just kind of who they are. I would imagine that would help some of that struggle because there's just no mystery.

1:01:42There's no like, are they back there sneaking around or doing things or they have a double standard we don't see or whatever. Yeah. You know, it's just out there. Yeah. We also try not to like give advice. or like we're not positioning ourselves as like parenting experts because freaking we fail at that every day or marriage experts. No, thank you. Or like business, like all of it we are bad at. So we're just ultimately thanks to Sean and her fan base since the age of 12 that she's had. It's just like, hey, this is what we're up to and what are your thoughts? And part of that is business, part of that is family, part of that is whatever.

1:02:20but it's not like we're positioning ourselves as this is a five steps to happy marriage. Right. Where it's behind the scenes. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. You're not putting yourself up there and out there. It's that. Yeah. So then it's like people can't take those shots cause you're not claiming to be that. I'll let you guys give the advice. Yeah. We have, yeah, that's, that's where we start right now. Well, again,

1:02:41Jon McLaughlin:we're going to have to stop recording. It's too expensive. So speaking of family stuff, I'm curious, I'm always curious what is harder going, kid wise, going from zero to one, one to two or two to three what was the most challenging step I would say zero to one was the hardest for me and then two to three was the second hardest because you're just like stretched pretty thin and we I love freaking starting stuff I love learning or you know having a new project or business idea or whatever and when we had our third kid it was just we were trying to hum at a certain rpm and do all this stuff and then we could it was either you you get a scratch your occupational itch or you get a you know be a present husband and father and i was like which yeah which direction do you go yeah and so then we ultimately had to cut some stuff out of our life which is not good ever it hurts always you know i'm saying yeah but that's what two to three did.

1:03:48I would say zero to one was like an identity shift. Yeah. That's where you're like becoming a dad. You're like, Oh Frank. Okay. It's really not about me anymore. But yeah. Yeah. It was, that was the first time Annie and I started to have like real intense arguments. It went from like silly to like, do we like each other right now? That was kind of the first time we did really intensive counseling. Yeah. And, uh, And I remember feeling like, I didn't see this coming in marriage. I didn't think it would be like this, you know, just how intense it got. Mostly just because I wanted to pray so much.

1:04:24And she would say, you know, you're being too holy or spiritual. And I was just like, this is who I am. How do you not know that? Up at two. By now. Jeez. Pig sounds. See if I could pray through them. That was my challenge. Can I pray through the pig sounds? Yeah.

1:04:39Jon McLaughlin:There's our title. Yeah. You know, I recently, so we just have two, and they're 10 and 12 now. And this year, I feel like this year was the year that like, if I had to come up with some kind of like, what was the big parenting theme or thing you learned this year? was like for me was a was a total shift in sort of how i approached discipline i guess or like you know when when not discipline in terms of like my list of punishments changed but like my approach to like a situation where they you know didn't do what they were supposed to do or whatever we're having an argument i find this year i like totally shifted i had been like Which is insane that it took me 12 years to shift on this.

1:05:36Jon McLaughlin:But I had been, up until this point, sort of always trying to go for that. Like, I'm taking control of the room. I'm going to speak louder than you. I'm putting my foot down. Whatever I just said, now I cannot budge on that now. No matter how much Amy's looking at me like, She's like, really? That's the line we're going with? I'm like, I've said it. It's too late. I've completely abandoned that now. Because it just wasn't working. So now my new question that I want to ask every parent is like, have you experienced anything like that? Was there some sort of like, here's my game plan? Whether it's because that's the way you were parented or whatever.

1:06:25Jon McLaughlin:And you've deviated from it. hmm yeah that's a great question your kids are 12 and 12 and 10 yeah we were six four and two i think uh first of all what a hilarious joke it is that like i'm a really good parent to like a two and three year old but then you realize these things grow up man i gotta i gotta change my game but you really have to change strategy like the other day i realized i gotta let my kids start doing more stuff themselves because freaking yeah they need to learn it yeah and that takes longer or whatever frustration yeah yeah yeah i would classify our parenting style as uh or sorry probably more my parenting style as uh is that do you hear that that's our camera oh is it really our camera's ringing um i was like is someone drilling into the room that's Sean she's still in seal mode she's like I've done 500 ,000 burpees since you left yeah so you got time to catch up my parenting style that Sean and I talk about often and she's rather patient with is like I would describe it as free range parenting where it's like I try to establish a safe environment and then let the kids be the kids right so like you set the guardrails and then just let him go because i grew up in a family of four boys and one girl so it was chaos yeah it was like freaking we had a good time but broke a lot of stuff um and our four-year-old now is incredibly athletic just like his mom and i'm realizing that it might not be good because now he is uh really pushing the limits and i'm like i actually i don't know how to do this because it was easy when you could just, when you just learn how to walk, setting the boundaries for that.

1:08:24But now you're like sprinting and jumping off of six foot walls. And like, now you have a little baby brother who's trying to do the same thing. And now we're all in danger. And you're like, ah, frick. So kind of, it's not necessarily discipline yet, but it's like general parenting. Right. Yeah. Right. I'm trying to figure it out. Does that make sense? I like that approach. Yeah.

1:08:43Jon McLaughlin:The free range. Yeah. You set some boundaries and then hands off a little bit. Yeah. I like that. I think if there's something that I probably struggle maybe the most with, and Annie, thankfully, like, you know, in any good marriage, she sort of compliments this part of me. But I tend to be very like, oh, it'll figure itself out. They'll figure it out. It'll figure it out. And Annie's like. She doesn't like that? No, she's not going to know how to do math all of a sudden. And I'm like, well, no, if she, you know, she'll go to school. She'll learn some stuff. She'll get it. And I think, like, kind of to your point, I can be way more like.

1:09:16And I don't know if this is, like, a dude thing, too. because I think there's a maternal piece that's so beautiful where moms are kind of like, we need to sort of lean into some things. A little more involved. Yeah, a little more involved. And just the empathetic, sort of emotionally articulate and dialed in thing that I think I can struggle a little with. I'm like, it feels like everybody's doing a good job. She's like, she cried on the way home. I'm like, oh my God. Which I think has its pluses too because I think you do need someone that can, whoever that is in the relationship, that can kind of 30 ,000 view it.

1:09:46Like, hey, hey, you're in there. It's okay. Like, from my vantage point, everybody's still moving and taking and being happy. But I do really struggle with sort of, like, being a little like, oh, everybody will, they'll figure it out. He'll figure it out. She'll figure it out. And it's like, I'm so thankful that Annie is like, well, no, I mean, but that's kind of, that's sort of like, no. You're the dad. You should go talk to him about that. Okay, do you remember? I think about this often because I was like, this is going to be canceled at some point. The last time we were on the show with Sean and I, and you said, what's one piece of advice?

1:10:18And I said, do less. That was my advice. And I was like, I hope people don't freaking just be uninvolved fathers.

1:10:25Jon McLaughlin:We lost a lot of listeners. This is our first reboot episode. I think the impulse is for, maybe there's two groups of people. One that tend to be like overbearing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I recently read Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis. He talks about like there's a story of a mom in there who has like this suffocating love that the kid can't do anything. They can't live their life because this mom is like so overbearing. That's what I'm saying. Do less. Where it's like, hey, a lot of times you being so involved will actually maybe tinker around and screw some stuff up more than that will help. Yeah.

1:11:01And then you probably have the other people maybe like me who is just more like, hey, let's let it rip, guys. And we'll freaking figure it out on the fly. So to those people, you know, be thoughtful. And that's me talking to myself. With yours, I know y 'all are just starting to crest this hill a little bit with their ages. But if you could predict now kind of like how sports is going to go with y 'all. I'm just so fascinated because y 'all are a double barrel. Like it's both of y 'all. I mean, it's not like you played and Sean did whatever growing up or vice versa. You know, like both of you are athletes, like really high level athletes.

1:11:34Like, can you feel a little bit of that starting to happen yet of the pull of like, oh she's kind of getting into this and you know postures are starting what she's doing what okay you're on amazon like okay let's go start ordering everything you know or like is she like that or what what do you think that's gonna look i mean i know that's kind of hard to predict but what do you think that's gonna look like with yours i'm more like itching for our kids to do sports than sean is oh wow okay well can i give a hot take yeah please this is again not advice just big You're going to say do more. Have you ever met a grown adult who didn't need to go to counseling or therapy?

1:12:11Yeah, yeah. No. No. Everybody needs to. So then you look at a guy like Tiger Woods' dad who was probably overbearing, made his kid, his three-year-old son, go hit balls in the backyard thousands of times so much that maybe he didn't like the sport. Like Andre Agassi's dad with tennis made him hate the sport. but at least those guys are sad old guys with freaking titles and a lot of money. And it's so obvious. You don't need to go to years of therapy. It's right there in front of you. It's like, yeah, your dad freaking pushed you too hard. Obviously. Next session. That's a thought that I've had.

1:12:49John is super concerned right now. Anyways, obviously I'm joking, but I've been trying to think through. because our kids freaking they're going to live the best life it's like well they're going to have to manufacture some problem uh yeah they used to give us chickpea noodles instead of the protein plus noodles you know what i'm saying well that's rampant right but it is everywhere but you're like there will be some trauma right regardless yeah yeah and i'm not advising people step into it but it is crazy i do feel the uh like our four-year-old did flag football and i'm pretty chill but the parents on the sideline and the other coaches dude for four-year-old football this guy is on the other on the other team is like getting flagged he's talking to the ref and saying you got to throw a flag on that so he's throwing flags on our four-year-old kids who don't know left from right and you're like yeah then that brings out the bad side of me where I'm like, oh, freaking game on, baby.

1:13:53So anyway. Well, you know what's funny? I feel like we talked about this with somebody, and you would remember this. You have such a great memory. I think it was on Dadville. Maybe you could tell me this is wrong, but most of the time, the people I know that are professional athletes or were professional athletes, they're never those parents. It's always the chumps like me that never were able to live their athletic dreams that had these crazy expectations for their kids. like I'm never anytime like we were at a game last night Ben was playing soccer and there's this dad that is just going ham and and thankfully he was his was kind of good spirited like he wasn't being he was just kind of like come on bud hustle and you know then he'd be laughing with a friend so it wasn't he wasn't the dad I'm like do I need to are we gonna have a hard conversation with this guy and be like hey he can't fix your broken childhood have you ever done that no but no I'm not that guy but I've thought in my head I've said some really bad things in my head about people But I just noticed, I never like cut to my left and it's like some jacked dude who's like wearing, you know, a Ravens training thing.

1:14:57And I'm like, uh, it's like usually, again, people like me who are like trying to sort of live their fantasies, their athletic fantasies through their kids.

1:15:05Jon McLaughlin:It's all the dads that's, that they know where they went wrong in high school. Oh, they're like, he's not going to do it. He's not going to make the mistake on me. Yeah. You know, but isn't that funny? because I think there's something to that that's really profound to me that's kind of like, I don't know. It's one of my favorite things about having athletes on the pod. It's so consistent with y 'all where there's just such a different energy around kids and sports. It's wildly different because I think, one, and I don't know if you feel this way, but I feel like one of my big takeaways with every athlete we've had is there's just not the pressure.

1:15:41It's like I don't feel like – I can't think of one guest we've had that's like, oh, they're going to compete at the highest. And we really want them to be in these kind of things at this age. They're all like, I just want them to have fun. And I'm like, isn't it funny?

1:15:54Jon McLaughlin:It is interesting to think why. Because it's easier to think of the other camp that we're talking about, the guys who didn't realize their dreams, and now they're kind of consciously or subconsciously putting that pressure on their kids. That, to me, is like an easier analysis. Yeah. The relaxed posture of the athletes that we have on is, that's a little more interesting. I don't know. Here's an argument for you. Because I realize, I mean, my dad was super athletic. I was pretty athletic. You make it into an NFL locker room and you realize just how much genetics matter. That's, dude, what a good word.

1:16:36So I don't want to downplay hard work because I also was a guy who needed to eke out every ounce of genetic capability I had. You know what I'm saying? Freaking really had to squeeze the sponge. But then you see, like, dude, to make it far in sport, you have to be genetically insane to be professional. But I think it's relaxed because you're like, there is maybe a subconscious understanding of my kid's either going to have it or not going to have it. That's so good. yeah yeah yeah that's so good yeah well i think you know where it's where it is somewhat like uh music is that john was given a gift when he was born whether he knew it or not to be able to play piano and to write songs and sing yeah you freaking were bro and i think like john now john has taken that like you took it like sean has taken it and then worked at it i mean obviously just countless hours that you've done doing that that you've done doing but you know it's in there it's like it's you're not starting from zero yeah you know what i mean it's it's obviously there's a pretty substantial gifting for for that and so i think to your point there is and and i mean honestly it's funny because i'm not and i know you're this way too like i'm not all my kids about music stuff well that's what i was thinking when we started

1:17:55Jon McLaughlin:talking about this obviously the closest thing i have is is music you know and i i am really relaxed like both of our girls are very musical and they're very into playing the piano and singing and doing theater and all that kind of stuff and Amy there are times where Amy I hope this is okay that I say this where one of our girls will be having some sort of affect on their voice oh yeah yeah yeah and Amy's like can you tell her to stop and I'm like no she's gonna have this is a phase where she's gonna she's trying to sound like this singer I know who she's trying to sound like it'll work itself out cut to Luke at the beginning she came from somewhere she's in a big Michael McDonald phase she loves the Doobie Brothers I actually Michael McDonald there are I don't get the joke is that a music joke I love that you were just completely like I don't know I was just reading this article about the four phases of moving from extrinsic motivation to intrinsic.

1:19:04Oh, wow. That's interesting. Which is super fascinating. So it's like, you know, you have a kid. You put them in the sport. Do they take it and run with it or not?

1:19:12Jon McLaughlin:Speaking of. What's up, buddy? Speaking of sports stars. Sam's never done a dadville visit. What's up, dog? Cool. Were you invited to Walker's party? Oh, gosh. I'm going to take off. Sam, why don't you finish this out for me? I don't have one. Wait, so – But one of them is when – like you as a parent will introduce your kid to something, but then they have to really take it as their own. One of the steps is like a gamification of it almost where they start tinkering around with it themselves. So I would argue that like your daughter tweaking things around is like her exploring. Yeah. That's part of it.

1:19:52Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? well you know for me i mean i i i just i feel exactly what you feel like with if whenever because you know we have friends like john's like you know your kids loving it mike his kids all like his two oldest of the three like they have gotten to be pretty good at playing guitar and singing and it's funny because every now and then we're like gosh i push but but i think my overall it's what you said my overall feeling my equivalent of like genetic is i'm like trust me if they want to do this, they'll do it. And two, if God wants it to happen, it'll definitely happen.

1:20:26So I'm like, and you know, but some of that's because of my story. Like I didn't really start singing until I was in college and didn't start writing. So I'm like, it's not like I was 12 writing little ditties in the, you know, in my bedroom with nobody. It was like, that just sort of came upon me. And then I was like, I love this. And I think maybe I could do this. So I think to your point, there is the locker room moment for me is kind of like, you know, it's just, I think if it's supposed to happen yeah yeah one you're going to want to do it but i think to your point also which is a really profound point you're going to naturally see them want to do it and that to me is always the tell and i'm always that's where annie and i you know we have these hysterical conversations because she growing up an athlete she's like hey if they want to let's put them and i'm like i it balances well where i'm like hey if i'd rather follow their lead yeah but she's like well but at some point you got to lean into it too and they're both right you know but i think some of that for me and the reason I feel that is probably the same way you would feel that as an athlete is like well you'll see like they'll grow in a certain way they'll start to want to play more and for me it's like they'll you know been on some point coming and be like hey I want to learn how to play that song on piano I'm like oh okay let's sit down and figure it out you know let's call Uncle John um but um I do think there's yeah that's a really articulate way of saying that I mean in sports I mean we listen Sam who you just saw is the most inquisitive kid maybe in the history of time and we're dry he asks i don't know if you've heard like this sort of counseling where they tell you like you know like kind of along a story so like one thing al at porter's call would always do is like you meet when the first couple times you'd be like you know what was the thing you heard the most is it in your family like what's the phrase what was like the motto of the east family mcgloff and bar and you don't think you know it and then within like a session or two you're like holy cow i know exactly what it was you know i mean sometimes it's said because they'll say whatever.

1:22:13But I think with Sam, it's going to be a good question, bud. I don't know. I mean, he asked so many. He's so inquisitive. But anyway, the other day he asked. He was like, Dad, how many people are in the draft for the NFL? And so we looked it up. It was like 250 is about the average, right? Yeah. I was like, and he's really smart. So I was like, Sam, how many people does that mean a year per state go into the NFL draft? And he was like, five. And I was like, and he literally goes, whoa. I was like, dude, think about that. Think of how small the margins are. And so I think to your point, when you get to, and we had, you know, when Pure Athlete was on, they were talking about what, 3 % for high school to college go on to play.

1:22:56Yeah. 3 % of high school athletes go on to play. 1 % of college athletes go on to play professional sports. Yeah. And so at some point you realize like this is, you know, you're going to either kind of have, and there's some guys in there, there's some Rudys who get in. because they just, I mean, work their tail off. But a lot of them, it's like he's just really fast. There's not many Rudys in the NFL, to be honest. That's a great word. I think you could do the Rudy thing until college or whatever. Yeah. But, like, you have the whole coaching staff and admin, front office. Everyone's job is depending on you not being a Rudy.

1:23:32You know what I'm saying? It's like you've got to be a freaking freak. And there's a ton of people in line who, if you're not, they'll replace you with. So, yeah. But part of the problem is everyone is so specialized now in sports from such a young age that in order to do the things, you then, even if I'm not a relaxed parent, feel like I need to play the game to keep up with the people who are doing all the things. So then it kind of just creates this vicious cycle, I feel like. But to me, that's always the great reminder is what you said a second ago. It's just like at some point, I mean, it's what David Pollock said when we had on.

1:24:11He was like, you know, in my junior year of high school, I grew, you know, whatever he said, a foot and put on like 60 pounds or something. He's like, all of a sudden I played a lot more football than I did before because the coaches were like, hey, what's up? You know what I mean? Like, so some of it, too, is just like your body's like, hey, I'm really fast and let's go. And you're like, all right. And, you know, we were laughing the dads watching soccer last night. like all these white dads or something because there were some kids out there you know eighth grade kids who are just flying yeah and you would see some sweet way you know like left back who's like i'm tracking i'm tracking oh my and he's just yeah and just watching and we were laughing his dad's we're like is isn't that maybe the most humbling feeling is when you are running as hard as you can and that person is just blitzing by you.

1:25:02Jon McLaughlin:They're doing the same thing. I'm doing all the same thing. Everyone has equal amount of legs and arms. And I'm taller than them. I should have an up one. I mean, it's just, if you want to know just the way that God made people that he doesn't care how you feel, just race people. Yeah. You know, there's no intelligence need or whatever. Okay. That's super good. We've come to, and we know you, Yeah. You think Special Forces was intense. Get ready for this speed round. I'm excited. You need to buckle up. We need you to sit down on the ground, cross-legged. Yeah. Put your arms up. Please, no. All right.

1:25:39Jon McLaughlin:Yeah, go. Am I going first? Yep, you're going first. All right. If you could be back in the NFL currently, what team would you want to play for? Raiders. Wow. You had that locked in motor. I just loved my experience there. Yeah? Really? Yeah. I actually just called it. Not the Colts. It's fine. It's fine. The peak moment of my career was when Adam Vittori said I was the best snapper he'd seen. And I was like, I think that's it, dude. Yes. Dude. I snapped for Adam Vittori. I was like, this is it. That's amazing. I freaking grew up watching you. He played 20 every many years in the NFL. So that was great.

1:26:11But no. That's awesome. That was one of the worst experiences.

1:26:14Jon McLaughlin:Is he still the, like, didn't he have, like, the most points of any NFL player ever? Yeah, he's got to be up there. I'm not sure if he still has it. But, yeah. I bet he, I guarantee he does. okay second question if you could be on Sean Johnson's gold medal winning Olympic gymnastic team what event do you think you'd have been best oh wow you're on the team you have to help America by the way I saw y 'all do that thing where you and the deckers where she like kind of walked up you and we're gonna do that next jeez you and me I'm gonna I'm gonna backward I'll sit here heavier than you think I am what event I mean, I, wow.

1:26:58Bars, definitely not bars. You ever been on a balance beam? Nope. Don't recommend it. It legitimately is terrifying. Break your legs. Yeah, and I try to do a cartwheel on one. Yeah. Oof. It's insane. I have to be, I feel like I could do decent vault because you're like, it takes a little bit of speed and then you just got to send it. But all the flipping, though? Just go for it. And it's a nice pad at the end, too. That's true. That's quite the safest. although you're just launching into space. Dave says it all the time. The vault's super easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says it all the time. I'm speaking about banks when I say that.

1:27:32Oh, sorry.

1:27:34Jon McLaughlin:Okay, if you could have dinner with three people, living or dead, who would that be?

1:27:42Wow.

1:27:46We're bringing up dead dads now, guys? Is this like... You get to play.

1:27:53honestly my dad did pass away three years ago and just now having three kids you start to just have such a new appreciation for yeah like wow he did a great job yeah which by the way there's a book called intentional father by john tyson one of the things he has you do is write a thank you letter to your dad do it now if you still have a dad around because it i think it just like changes your perspective. Wow. Honestly, Abraham Lincoln, I just really admire, I'm a big presidential biography guy. Oh, wow. And the way he, you know, had the team of rivals so famously of a cabinet of people with totally different perspectives.

1:28:32I just love that take on life. Like whatever you're doing, just get feedback from other people that maybe you agree with, maybe you don't, but it'll at least jar you out of your, your like one way of thinking that you naturally have. And, yeah, he did things pretty well. And then third, because I have realized how much I love sports too.

1:28:55Jon McLaughlin:Walker Zimmerman. And I would ask him, hey, what happened to John's invitation? Well, actually, just invite John to John isn't invited. It could be a third. Yeah. Just to resolve this issue. And then Walker won't be invited. Oh, man. No, I think John Wooden actually. Oh, wow. Phenomenal, dude. but Indiana boy. Oh, I didn't know he was in Indiana. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have a wall of excellence with sports memorabilia, and he's on there because of his attention to detail. So I think that's something that does not come naturally to me, but I admire about him. Yeah. So how was that? That was great.

1:29:32Yeah. I can give you one of my old high school jerseys too if you need that. Thank you. What would be the characteristic of excellence there? If you had to put one word on it. I would say the ability to make his teammates laugh on the benches. Dave is one word. He asked for one word. Entertainment. Bench-tertainment. Bench-tertainment. Okay. You have played, to circle back, I see you're hanging with all these athletes the other night. Of any athlete that you have ever hung out with, worked out with, been on a team with, done the show with, who is the person, man or woman, that you were like, they are just really gifted that way of all that you've ever played?

1:30:19Dude, that was my favorite part about being in the NFL was just seeing the behind the scenes of the freaks, dude. Oh, my gosh. I mean, Todd Gurley is one. Really? Extremely powerful. I know he didn't have a pro career like he did in college. Khalil Mack. I'll do Khalil Mack because he was a linebacker. I think he's still playing. But we would do like bench press and he would be my buddy. And I would be like doing 135 warm up. And I'd look over and he has 405. They're just repping out. Dude, like it's incredible. And then they have all these fancy metrics like digital data collectors. And he was so explosive.

1:31:04Like if you hit 80 % of plays at a certain acceleration, than you're like elite by their measurement. And he would be like 95 just because like his – yeah, he was just an incredible athlete. But it was so much fun to be in a locker room with like Adrian Peterson. You're like, oh, Vernon Davis. Oh, my gosh. All these guys. It's just a blast to see how they work. My buddy, one of my best friends, named McKittrick, coolest name ever, he told me – like he played college soccer but D3 or whatever. But he loves competition. And he was like, he said, Dave, I do, um, uh, it may have been, I can't remember which version of like the bike, um, Peloton or whatever in New York, like the different classes, soul cycle or something like that.

1:31:48And he's like, Dave, like, you know, he's maybe the most competitive person that I know. Now granted, I don't, again, I don't swim in that pond. Walker Zimmerman's the most competitive guy I've ever met. Okay. Okay. But he said, Dave, so when I do these things, I go in there and I'm like, no one is going to beat me today. And he's like, I keep over the thing. He said about, like years ago, he said Shannon Sharp joined my thing. And he's like, Dave, when I tell you, I would kill myself. I would go for an hour and I'm like, there's no way. And he would be 40 % better. It wasn't like barely better.

1:32:21It would be like, you know, same weight class. I'm not shocked.

1:32:26Jon McLaughlin:It's pretty amazing to see. All right, last question. If you wrote a book on being a dad, what would the title be? Wow.

1:32:38Enjoy the ride. How about that? I like that. I, yeah. Bro, it's a constant. I'm in tears weekly, legitimately, because we're in a phase that our six-year-old is now out of. But like zero to five, your kids are changing every day. It's also like the most frustrating in some capacity because it's so hands-on and manual. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I just can't wait for the day that I don't have to change diapers anymore. And you're almost living like this real life click. You know that movie, the Adam Sandler movie, Click? Where you have it one day and you're wishing it wasn't there. And then the next day, the kid's not doing that thing anymore.

1:33:19That you found so unbearable before. And you're just like, dang. It's constant grief of like, it's better now than it ever has been with our six-year-old. but you just realize you don't get it back. So enjoy the ride. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Man, thanks for coming in. Thanks for having me, guys. It's great having you back. Thanks for not drowning on that show, too. Dr. Andrew East. For those watching on YouTube, welcome to the first filmed episode. That's right. Like and subscribe.

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