Chores, Contracts, and Core Memories

30:49Yeah. So it hadn't been like a thing yet. It may, I think the thing I really grieve about that is that, that, you know, Annie and I, you know, like we love watching shows and movies and stuff. And that's just kind of how we decompress at night. Yeah. And I want to give context cause I feel like, I feel like this matters, but like much like you and Amy, I mean, we see each other all the time. like Annie and I are pretty much caught up all the time like you know when you work in your backyard in your studio you know I'm just here yeah I'm interfacing with her all day the the busiest I am is at a co-write and that means I'm gone from and maybe even back here but if I'm not

31:32Jon McLaughlin:back here you know 10 to 4 or something in that and so I don't see her then but you know that morning I did and after the kids got dropped off at school we sat and had coffee or you know we just we have a lot of interaction time yeah which which i'm really thankful and i know isn't normal that that is our life and so night time is rarely like you know like a lot of couples do with it like hey like how did your day go what happened with this thing do we need to talk about the thing you know like annie and i kind of did a pretty good i'm sure like you and amy you know we're pretty we're pretty up to the moment all the time yeah so night for us has always been like okay we get to catch up on that show we love or somebody told us about this one let's watch it or whatever you know we're watching and man have i really grieved like we're just we basically school will change that a little bit but i they're just getting old enough now where their bedtime is going to be later and that that part of our life has just completely gone away yeah you know like this summer i don't even know that we've done it in the last three or four weeks because it's like you know we're all up and then by the time it sounds like you look by the time it's like 9 30 and they're going to bed i'm like hey i i kind of want to go read and then go to sleep yeah you can't start a new yeah no no no no show god what is this what is it prison you know so so i think for me i'm just having a really no like okay this is you know we're heading into the years where that our nighttime is just or you know you watch in one part of the house and the kids are upstairs you know or they're working on whatever that's where we are and we so we used to do our rhythm was exactly what you described like put the kids to bed and then we would watch like you know one like poldark we were in a poldark for a while you know there would there would always be our show that we're that we watch can i just say about poldark i don't know if i have watched a show where i've felt more like this loved it loved it loved it what yeah hated hated hated hated it yeah and then at the end sort of redeemed itself but i mean annie and i would hate watch it so angry that we were so invested but we had to know what happened i feel that way i could name several shows really i've felt that way about where you start and i i yeah i mean not to go down a deep dive on poldark but i yeah i bet i i know the exact episode yeah yeah i think everybody does what is happening it was oh my god annie and i were so mad i felt betrayed oh i i was betrayed i didn't feel it i was like if i saw that actor i would like potentially hit him i was so mad yeah anyway so funny anyway and then i mean that was 2019 2020 that we were watching that and and then there were a couple years where we just didn't do that anyway it just didn't it just went away Because bedtime just took so long.

34:26Jon McLaughlin:And then by the time, you know, like you just said, and then we would just go to bed. But we're getting back into that, but the kids are just up. Upstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're kind of cleaning the house, washing the cars, and then we'll watch a show. And mine too, which I appreciate that y 'all just, it's just a car. We just need you to wash your car. Just because this isn't your family's car doesn't mean you can't wash it, Sam. Yeah, that's fair. this is an ad by better help john dave you know sometimes i feel like my brain's trying to file footer voice from my job you know that feeling it's like my stress levels have their own postal code these days dave absolutely you know it's wild how much workplace stress can pile up am i right yeah and you and i work together i know so i feel like this conversation is a little dicey But you just want a way to manage it.

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38:04Jon McLaughlin:for this confession yeah it is a confession and it shouldn't have to be a confession i'm i am confessing it so that others can feel less alone like it's a confession when they confess it well said i love that um we got luca a phone she is 12 years old if i if i could go back in time and play this what's happening right now to my you know you know four years ago self i would be like Wait, wait, wait. What happened? Why? What happened? What are you guys doing? Walk me through. This is not the plan. Get me there. How did you get there? We were going to wait until she was in her 30s. Wait, let me guess.

38:50Did you guys go to Mallorca too?

38:51Jon McLaughlin:Oh, gosh. I knew it. So it was a long time coming. And Sissy Goff, governor of Dadville, has always said to us, don't you know you don't want to be the first you want to be the last and we were like i think if we wait five more minutes she'll be the last you know we're kind of at that point there's a lot you know as as is the case i'm sure with most kids who get a phone it's like every kid who got a phone there there's six months of long discussion that led up to that both you know discussion with the kid and without the kid just the two parents and with a phone but we but i also want to say this we so we got her a phone and amy took it to the apple store and was like lock this thing down yeah and i didn't know that was something that they would do but i was really impressed with the level that they locked this phone down yeah yeah like it is an iphone yeah but it might as well be a flip phone like they and to the listener who's like you're just trying to make yourself feel better a thousand percent i am but it also technically is true what i'm saying she can she can call she can text um she can listen to music and that's it that's the only thing she can do on this phone and she she can't download an app she can't erase an app I mean it's pretty locked down so I'm surprised at how how good I felt an iPhone could be because I kind of always thought you can put the you can try these little parental things they are tricky but they're going to find a way around it there are ways around them and I think so to anyone who's about to get their kid a phone take it take it to the iPhone or Apple store or take it to AT &T or Verizon or whatever and have them lock it down because they can do a lot more than you think.

41:05Jon McLaughlin:That's amazing. So, and she's had it now for a couple weeks. And look, I am not just saying, well, I'll just say it. It has calmed the whole thing down a little bit. Really? Yeah. Like it is, it has been a fight for months and months and months. And sometimes, you know, like it's not like it was a daily fight, but she would have situations where she felt left out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where she felt, you know, insecure and all that kind of stuff. I understand that. And I don't think that you should get your kid a phone so that they don't feel left out. I'm not saying that. but now that she has her phone the whole thing has calmed down quite a bit and she's not even as attached to it as she as you would think that she would be because for for months she was using basically amy's phone to text with friends and it was just exhausting you know it was like we had to sort of monitor like well how much time is she on the phone it's amy's phone it was always out of battery because the thing's on all day yeah yeah yeah and yeah it's i i feel like now that she has her phone she's not as i feel like you should also because i think this is so cool like the contract you made her sign i thought that oh yeah great yeah so leading up to it amy and i both were like we're gonna make a contract that we're all going to sign and we, we need to really be thoughtful about this contract.

42:53Jon McLaughlin:Like let's put into this contract anything and everything that we would want her to, you know, uphold because I mean, let's just say this is leverage. You're always looking for leverage. This is leverage. Yeah. So like whatever, you know, we need her to do her chores. We need her to treat her sister and Amy and I with respect. You know, all this stuff is all like, if you want to keep your phone privileges, you got to uphold all this stuff. Yeah, that's great. So, and it's not, you know, it's not a perfect system, but I think it is, it adds some tangibility. Well, I've been amazed at how quickly she mows the yard now.

43:44Jon McLaughlin:I know it. And her thing was like, I want a zero turn. I love that y 'all did that. Which was so expensive. Like we had to take a loan out on that thing. It takes her about eight seconds to mow our lawn. But respect for her for coming to y 'all with her own set of things, you know. Yeah, that is a... Speaking of, not to go off on a tangent, but when are your kids going to start mowing the lawn? Zero turn. Man, you talk about a funny conversation. so Ben is mowing my mother-in-law's lawn so he's doing that now like and and so now that you know he he can't say um he doesn't sound like a drunk caveman when he talks by the way um that's not is that true um so now there's precedent I just you know honestly I just enjoy doing it so much it's like such a zen thing for me i mean you have you have a nice looking lawn not that ben couldn't isn't up to the task but well i could see you being like yeah well we need the lines you know what i think will happen i think like you know because my lawn because it's fescue it looks terrible by like mid-august i could see me being like i don't it looks terrible it doesn't matter I could see me maybe doing it then.

45:01But, um, it's, and, and, you know, my, it takes me, if I don't like weed or weed eat, I mean, it takes me 25 minutes. Yeah. I mean, it's so fast and it's so small. So it's not, you know, I'm not living on like a two acre lot where I'm like, all right, it's your time tag you're in. Yeah. I don't want to do this anymore. Um, so, you know, that's a good question. I don't know. I mean, at some point I'm assuming he probably will, but I would be, I wouldn't be surprised if I never ask them to just because it's just, you know, it's something I enjoy doing. It's just so fast. Yeah. You know, but so I want to back up one second to your point about, because I think this may be a good way we can land this whole plane.

45:43Your kids and music. So you said that she's got music on her phone. What is it? This is a new, I'm entering into a new season with my kids where like literally when I get in the car, when we, when our, bodies touch the seats one of my legs is not even in the car yet they are already hey can we play a song can you play music hey can i see your phone and so we've entered in and i really i think this would be a fun like little last conversation in this episode we are both professional musicians we're professional songwriters uh you are an excellent piano player like you have years of experience that have informed taste and millions of things and how you play and write your songs you know how how do you do as a dad and i would say namely and i'll even add that we live in nashville so a lot of our community is musicians and artists right so our lives are full of it me and you you know we think about it all the time we have bands we love we have music we you know maybe don't like as much how do you navigate your girls because i'm assuming they're probably into music they at least have music they like what you described is exactly how it is when we get in the car so so how do you like one what are they listening to and then do you kind of how do you are so much more gracious and patient than i am so i'm scared to ask because it's gonna i know it's gonna it's gonna put a bad light on me but i'm still gonna wade into these waters with confidence how do you one what are the things like what are the what's the stuff they're spending the most do you have a consistent couple bands or artists and then how do you deal with that

47:25Jon McLaughlin:yeah um in general their their play their pie chart of what they listen to which is pretty much the same for for both of them it is half i'd say half musical soundtracks oh wow i mean oh of course it is because that's what they're doing yeah a lot of times they're doing a musical and so so that's in that's in rotation they'll be listening to i mean that's that's not bad right it's great yeah that that's i love that okay i love that okay um and then it's half pop music. So like what? Right now it's the number one, which actually this is a different category. Lay They. Do you know Lay They? No. I love their hair products.

48:17Jon McLaughlin:L-A-U-F-E-Y. Oh yeah, no idea. I love her music. Okay, cool. It is, I had never heard of her until two months ago maybe. Okay. She's playing Bridgestone. Sure. in October. Yeah. But she, her stuff is like old. It sounds like old standards. Oh. It's very, very cool. And I don't know if she's Icelandic. Oh, okay. She has like a whole album with the Iceland, like Philharmonic or something like that. Oh, geez. Okay. Anyway. So really musical. It's very musical. It's great. I love it. But it's a little bit in like a different category. but that's their number one right now. Okay. Benson Boone. Yep.

49:08Jon McLaughlin:All day long. Yep. And Ariana Grande. Okay. Because of like Wicked. Oh yeah, of course. Of course. Ariana Grande just took over. Yep. You know. That's pretty much it. That's their pie chart. So that's doable. That's not like, you're not having to sit through songs where you're like, oh my gosh, can we please stop listening to this artist? No, I mean, I will say a year ago or around that, we listened to so much Taylor Swift. Yeah, I was surprised you didn't say that because I remember that was a big part. I mean, I love pop music. Yeah. I love it. Benson Boone is great. All his stuff. I want to stop listening to him right now so that I don't, he doesn't go over the edge.

50:03Jon McLaughlin:And then I start. But there was a moment where, and you know, I love Taylor Swift's music. I think 1989 is one of the top 10 albums of all time. I've actually done show with her. So when you say that, I'm familiar. You know, Taylor, UTS. Tay Tay. But there was, we just were listening to Taylor Swift nonstop along with the whole rest of the world. Yeah. And there was a, I was on a run and I was listening to a playlist and the playlist had gone beyond like, you know, my little playlist and now it was into whatever. Yeah. So of course it feeds me a Taylor Swift song. It's like, I know you want it.

50:44And in this moment, this is when I knew this,

50:48Jon McLaughlin:this has gone beyond like she's, her music is, is, it's too far gone now. I've listened to it too much. I thought for a split second I thought it was like an ad for a commercial because the music didn't sound like music anymore it sounded like a jingle or something and in that moment I thought are you a girl? are you a young girl? do you need a hairbrush? do you like sparkles? are you in a relationship that's on the rocks? oh my gosh you know what I mean? I just thought I need and this is what happens with all music that we love. It's like you have that predicament where you're like, if you listen to it too much, you will kill the thing.

51:31Jon McLaughlin:So I need to, we have all kind of taken a break from T-Swift for a while. But yeah, that's a pie chart. That's a very palatable pie chart. I'm happy for you. I've had times where I have tried to get them to listen to some other stuff. They're very control freaky. Yeah, opinionated. Opinionated. Yeah, but they're not open-minded. Yeah. They don't want to hear anything that I'm listening to. Yeah. And they... So you just have to force them to do it. Yeah. And by now, they probably know every note to Phantom Planet's The Guest. Oh, I love that. Because I have forced that on them. You just made them listen to it.

52:20And as you should have, because that record is phenomenal. It's phenomenal. Phenomenal. Yeah.

52:24Jon McLaughlin:Production. But I had them listen to, like in the summertime, if we're coming home from the pool, I want to put on, before these crowded streets, Dave Matthews. Oh my gosh, I love that so much. That's what I was listening to. Coming home. On my Walkman, on my bike. What a record. What a record. What a record. And Livvy, we were listening to Stay. Oh, what a song. You know how it keeps going? It goes on. I'm making one of them. I'm making one of them. Stay. We were in the car. I have the windows down. You are so happy. It's, it's, you're this close from a Mountain Dew. It's 1999 for me. You are this close to a Mountain Dew, John.

53:03Jon McLaughlin:You're so right. Yes. And I can hear her in the background yelling something. And I kind of turned down a little bit. She's like, stop. You come back from your river. Will you turn this off? She was being tortured. She's like, when will this song end? You're like a tear is falling from your eye. You're remembering everything you loved from your childhood. And she's crying in the backseat. Unable to get your attention. Yeah. But I feel like you do a good job of playing some like bedrock music for your kids. I rule with an iron fist, John. Yeah. It is a regime. I run a regime in my car. And it's slowly being taken over.

53:47So it was a good run.

53:50Jon McLaughlin:Which I think is probably good. That's the way that it should go. You lay a foundation. Yeah, yeah. So basically, ours has looked like this. We would listen to, for better or worse, when I'm working on something, they want to hear it. So if I'm in the middle of writing a record, the kids will be like, hey, play, what'd you write yesterday? Oh, that's cool. Or what'd you do with that song? And I'll be like, here's what I, put some guitars on, whatever. so that that's a little bit depending on what the season's like that's been the last couple years especially with featherbrain that record they they were hearing that real time all the time and they really enjoyed it or at least they said it is uh mixed with songs i've written with other people so they'd be like hey who'd you write with yesterday so and so oh do you have the song play for them um and then for a while i think i talked about this um a couple years ago we listened to the top 100 rolling stones albums like the magazine obviously not the band um and it was hysterical because you know a lot of those are explicit which i i'm not fine with but i was like i can navigate playing this for you like i know how to stop and pause or whatever yeah but man they were terrified because they would see the e and be like damn we can't listen to this you know a bunch of christian school kids and um and so that that was kind of fun but but we did it we went through and you know i don't know if they got anything from it but they did it yeah and i'd do a little blurb you know like okay guys this is bob dylan's um blood on the tracks here's some and some of it i would have to you know because i'd i was going by the rolling stone website thing so i'd be like all right here's a little blurb like the reason this album matters and i mean they're starting to zone out but they were patient and i'd kind of play two or three songs sometimes you know uh sometimes more because i'd be like hey that's pretty cool you know but but you know most those records um are not like it's not the top 100 pop records of all time yeah so you know you can get into like what would um you know radiohead kid a and they're like okay i mean yeah it's kind of sounds weird or yeah you know okay cool can we listen to something else yeah but we made it through it so i think what that did and i want to believe this if nothing else and i may just be saying this to make myself feel better i do think it sort of stretched them really hard that was like okay here's all the music in the world that's that's you know of that ilk so they were kind of like oh okay yeah some sounds like Paul Simon and some sounds like Kanye and then some sounds like you know um what you know Bob Dylan yeah um and so at least there was a little bit of like oh okay there's more than just like you know whatever it is and so now what's happened is they have I mean they like I said we can't get a part of our flesh in the car without one of them being like could I play a song?

56:34And then, so there's two things that happened then. One, I either will tell them with a hundred percent frankness, I can't listen to that anymore. That is off the table. That song is off the table. Cause you've just heard it. And I think with me at least like, and I know you're the same way, but you're just more patient. I just love music so much. I love it so much. It's one of my favorite things God's created. Yeah. So I want to keep the sanctity of it. Yeah. And I don't want to start hating it.

57:02Jon McLaughlin:A thousand percent. And so I have to be, and I will tell them every, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry. This is, you can be mad at me and you have a right to be, but as your father that God gave you to, like he gave me to you to be your dad, this is just part of being my kid. I can't listen to this music anymore. Like it's going to make me mad or I'm going to start not liking it. So they've kind of, they've sort of started to onboard like, oh, this is just kind of one of dad's little things and they'll talk to their therapist about it, which will be fine. but I'm like hey this is how it is like I'm gonna I'm gonna start hating this person because I just can't this is not I just one it's either just music I don't naturally listen to so I'm already in the deficit because I'm kind of like just getting my way through it or I'm sitting there going guys that hook is garbage right it is really bad um thankfully there isn't much that my kids want to listen to that I'm not like I mean I mean they're they're not listening to some obscure weird anything yeah they're listening to if if it's on their radar it's because it's massively accessible yeah and again i love pop music as you do as well yes and thankfully it's not that it happens a lot it's just that i can't do any band a ton yeah other than the bands that i love and then i can't but even with that yeah like you said you want to preserve yeah the magic that's right and so you don't go to the well too many times but i don't know why this is but i kids have such an appetite for repetition yeah and i remember when i was a kid that's that's exactly it was the same thing i could watch the same movie yeah i watched never ending story like every day forever there was just like that ability to just the appetite for it what i think too it's it's familiar right it gives you a sense of like safety and yeah i know what this is and that makes me feel um and and you're right i actually need to remember that because sometimes i'm like why are we listening to forrest frank again yeah because we that man he has ruled our apple music playlist over the last year which it thankfully it's so hooky that it's great you know as with anything that's really hooky boy when it turns on you it is like you know you just kind of like but anything you listen to a hundred thousand times in a year is probably gonna do that to you But I will say this is where I'll land this.

59:26One of the best things that's come out of it is that I just, you said it so well, John, I'm just dogmatic about, okay, today, this is what we're listening to, kids. On the drive, this is what we're listening to, 90s R &B. And they'll be like, duh. But then, you know, they're good songs. So like third song, you hear somebody in the back kind of going, no diggity, I'm like banging up. And then usually a couple of days later, somebody's like, dad play that one the you know that you know and you play it this is when i'm the most proud this is when all of my work feels like i i am it's working even if it's just a brick at a time we're building something we were driving the other day and um sam was like dad i feel like we need to listen to more 90s hip-hop and i was like okay and and what i did in that so this is what i'll do and they've just been so patient with me because i think i just broke them but i was like all right guys so one of the things that um defines and really like makes 90s hip-hop not rap hip-hop is sampling and ben's like oh yeah yeah you've talked to us about this it's like so here's what

1:00:38Jon McLaughlin:gonna do we're gonna go back to the stevie wonder song we're gonna go listen to the 90s hip-hop first yeah so i put on opp which judgment you want but you know the sample is so obvious that abc and i was like all right guys you know and and ben's like oh and i'm like all right what is that and he was like oh it's abc by michael jackson i was like watch this we go back oh and they're all like oh that's so cool and then i forget what we pulled up but we kept pulling up and then randomly we were listening to run which i never knew this this would have been on dave's five five takes um we listened to tricky because zanna's obsessed with run dmc tricky that song didn't realize it's uh my sharona is the loop is the sample gun gun gun it's dude if you list it anyway so it's fun because i was able to go hey guys remember we talked about sampling listen they were like yeah oh my gosh so those are those moments where i'm like if i'm just imparting the smallest amount where they realize like oh yeah I guess that is why dad makes us listen yeah is and we did probably three or four songs on that drive where I was like I was like racking my brain like oh yeah okay I know what this one is I can play it alright would you guys recognize that sample and you know want to be like oh wait wait wait dad pause it hard oh is it so and you're like you know yeah so it's that's cool sometimes it's more informative than it is listening but they've they've kind of they've sort of adopted this is the regime and we'll just submit to it.

1:02:04Yeah. Cause someday we won't have to. Yeah. Um,

1:02:07Jon McLaughlin:well, and then they will see eventually sort of the social capital of knowing they'll be with some friends and they'll be like, you know, this is, uh, the Jackson five actually. Yeah. I mean, I felt so cool and the boys could not have cared less, could not have cared less. Vincent Boone's, um, magical, magical, mystical. Yeah. And I immediately was like, guys, they either ripped this melody or they've credited the writers for it. And they were like, what? And I was like, hold on. And so I looked up Physical by Olivia Newton-John. Was like, all right, those are the writers. Flipped over, scrolled it up and was like, those are the two guys.

1:02:50They credited them. See? Oh, yeah. And the boys were like, oh, I was like, check it out. Okay, sing the melody of the hook. And they were like, is it cool? And I was like, all right, remember that. Scrolled, got to the chorus, played it. And they were like, oh, wow. and I was like yes see it's happening guys but it is I'm losing more and more ground though like those teaching moments are going to where now they're just like can we just please listen to you know whatever the thing is you put the time in though you built like you said but it's just a little cracks for every now and then like when Sam asked

1:03:19Jon McLaughlin:when I feel my equivalent of that is when I'm playing the piano in the house playing some classical piece and I'll stop in the middle of it and they can hum the next melody of what's coming. What a victory. I would feel so good. And I don't know... Well, here's the payoff, because I'm like, well, what value does that have? I like that they're... It just means that this is going to be a memory. This is the house they grew up in. Dad was always playing some Chopin piece or something like that. But when they're in college, MIT is so far away. When they're in their dorm, they're gonna put on like clear they're gonna be in the home that you buy for them in boston right right yeah uh yeah they're gonna you know they're gonna listen to rapsi and blue which is which was based on uh the train he wrote that in part from the train ride from boston in new york you know like that'll be little things that they'll know and they will listen to that song and this is like the foundation of their childhood.

1:04:29Jon McLaughlin:Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm really proud of it. I mean, it is work, and sometimes I wonder if I should be catechizing my kids more with scripture and things as I am the music. But it just matters so much to me, and I think it gives me so much joy. I'm glad that, like you are, in these really small ways, I'm imparting something that matters to me, to them in a way that they, not all the time, but every now and then really get it. And they go, oh, that's really cool. Or like, you know, when you go, you know, this happens too, and this is when I really enjoy it. Like when you listen to something current and you go, hey guys, do you know what that is?

1:05:12Do you know why they did that sound? Or does this sound like anything to y 'all? And they'll go like, yeah, kind of. What is that? And I'm like, all right. So you can tell they were inspired by this other band. So let's listen to the other band. and they go, oh man, that's so cool. And you know, just those moments of going like, look, there's this beautiful continuity to music in everybody's barring from everybody. Even people now that you'd think, what do they have to do with the Doobie Brothers? Like the Waffle House tune, you know, where you're like, hey guys, check it out. And now, and then what was funny from that is it also made Ben especially love to listen to Doobie Brothers all of a sudden.

1:05:46Yeah. Because of Waffle House and the piano lick.

1:05:49Jon McLaughlin:And well, because of that, And also because he knows that you like it. Yeah. Like he knows this is a thing that dad loves. Yeah. So I want to love it. And then that just makes you feel a little connected. Yeah. But the other thing, the cheat, the cheat that I've done too, which is really funny. We were at Satco the other day and a Bob Dylan tune came on. And now I'll do a thing with like five bucks. You can tell me this is. And then they suddenly get much more invested on like, oh gosh, okay. They actually maybe can. well you know it was it was funny because annie turns like dave they're never gonna get this and i was like just hold on i was like now listen okay here's some call you know it was in the top 100 we let's do he had a couple of records and of course my kids have learned they always they always guess the beatles it doesn't i mean it could be rap from this year yeah but guys who is like i don't know dad it's probably not but the beatles i'm gonna go with the beatles and of course i'm like no it's funny stuff melodically it actually is a little bit of a lift you know you could make the argument you could make that but um but it has been fun that's been something that's been like a i've really enjoyed and i think to your point to land this plane when they get phones i'm really curious to see like when they can actually listen to what they want to listen to on their own yeah how that's gonna go and i love that that's that's the phase that we're in to the girls got headphones for christmas and so they they are up in their rooms like with music on like laying in their bed just headphones on it's like they are especially Luca maybe is in what I think is universal but for me was like these are her prime she's getting into the years where music really is so connected to her heart and her soul you know I just love that I will say that this is where we're going to end watch this John I would challenge I had a friend of mine Katie pushed me or said she was doing this she works here in the music industry and we were having lunch and she was like you know I've been doing lately it's been really fun I'm listening to an album a day I'm going to do it for a hundred days and I was like and she was like listen to it not like have it on she's like I'm actually like making time to listen to it and so I think that's where I'm going to leave everybody today just like I do with my kids the regime is now taking over dad but I would challenge y 'all in the next let's say a week to like just try to listen to a hundred albums let's start with john and dave let's start with each of our first albums but i i think you'd be surprised how much fun it is to actually just sit and listen to an album like that yeah you know even if your daughter's in the backseat screaming the whole time to ask you to stop just do it

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