Dave and Jon: Scrapped Albums, Vocal Rest, and Sir Paul

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0:05Yeah Hi, I'm Dave Barnes and I'm John McLaughlin and welcome to Dadville dadville is a podcast where we talk about life love and the pursuit of awesome daddy it's funny thoughts and deep talks so please enjoy your time here in dadville and enjoy this episode with dave and me

0:28and we're live and we're live we're live gosh um okay 2026 i i want to re-induce and so and we're off i was gonna say i want to reintroduce myself i haven't i feel like you know i've been a little out of commission vocally and so i just want to say hey guys it's me dave it's i'm the same that's can i address that first people are going to wonder like have you changed do you feel different you know do you what new insight yeah like you've been into the holy of holies yeah what just tell us what have you brought yeah out and really nothing of consequence it was so dark in there it was it was scary I wanted to get out immediately the rope was uncomfortable I got lost and tangled up in the for probably two or three hours they sent someone in which that you're not supposed to do in case people don't know what we're talking about maybe tell them what we're talking about let's start there let's just start there yeah so I was on vocal rest I've never done that have you ever had to do that we didn't talk about that No.

1:34Yeah. So the fam, the Barnes Corporate, got that flu, which if y 'all have gotten it this year, everybody I know, it's been miserable. And last year, or was it last year? It was a year or two ago. It was really bad because we got it then too. Anyway, it was so bad that I coughed so much, and I coughed so much that I had ulcerative laryngitis, which means I coughed ulcers onto my vocal cords. So they looked like little yellow... I don't know how to say that, but it's like Puss Bags, which was my nickname. I wish you would come up with a different description of it. It's there and it's out, and it's a lie.

2:16I'll tell y 'all, man, and something I'm extremely thankful for, I did not do Christmas shows this year, which was a big decision. I've done those. It was probably going to be my 16th year or something straight. But I just kind of felt like I wanted to give it a break, and there's a lot of reasons for that. But I was like, let's just don't do it. That decision was made almost a year ago. Because you book those, as you know so well. Anyway, didn't book them. It was a hard decision, but I felt right. And then for this to happen, I just was so thankful that God sort of allowed it to go that way. Because one, canceling would have been hard.

2:52But then I'm on the hook for that money to pay the guy. It's a lot to do. So that was kind of a good part of it. I did have to cancel one show, which was a bummer. But, um, so anyway, I, I, I was getting close to that show about mid-December throat was weird. I didn't know what had happened. I just know it was really hoarse. I started taking steroids and then called my good friend, Jenny Muckala at the Vanderbilt voice clinic and was like, Hey, can I come in and maybe get scoped? Cause this was like the Monday I had a show that Saturday night. Um, which you sent me a voice memo at some point around this time.

3:31and I think I saved it but it was crazy it didn't sound like Dave Barnes with a scratchy throat yeah it sounded like a stranger yeah it was it was like your whole voice changed yeah um yeah maybe possessed and um so I called Jenny and I was like hey can I come in and she's like hey let's just do a scope and so you know it was it was really those moments are interesting It's nowhere near like real bad news, but you can feel in the room and then you see it. And it's like, oh, because, you know, I'm looking at the screen with him. And it's like, well, that's probably not good. And then, you know, Dr.

4:11Kobayashi, shout out, who's great, came in and was kind of like, or he may have been in the room. And he's like, yeah, so those are ulcers, which are not nodes. Big difference. Nodes are scary. That's bad, bad news. These are a trauma event, which means something happened, they happen, and then you just let them heal. And so he said that, but he's like, you know, you got to go on vocal rest. And so for a week, which, you know, is never fun. That's a little scary. And then I went back a week later. We scoped again. They got a lot smaller, which is great. But he was like, you can kind of talk as you need to, but no more.

4:39So how long were you on hardcore vocal rest? Seven or eight days. Seven or eight days of not talking at all. Not talking at all. Yeah. And had to cancel that show, which is the whole reason I went in. So that was the worst part is he was like, hey, so. And I'd been on steroids that whole week. So that was like, who knows what they looked like before that. You know what I mean? And it was like, oh, he's like, yeah, so you cancel the show, much less cancel the show. But you need to not forget singing. You don't need to talk. And, you know, he wasn't overly scary. But I think he was trying to communicate the severity of needing to not aggravate them.

5:23because he was like, 90 % of the time these heal fine. You have cases where they get aggravated and it can really mess your cords up. So that's kind of like, well, I don't love that. So, of course, did that. And then, thankfully, the third time I went in, they were gone. But now, I think the thing that is so frustrating about your voice, which I'm learning, and your vocal cords is that they're just really sensitive. They are wonderful little sensitive muscles. which is honestly how I've described you, but singularly. And, um, and you know, so it's like, even now, like I went a week ago and, you know, we're like, geez, four or five weeks out and they're still inflamed, you know?

6:06Really? And he's like, that's, it just takes time. And so it's, uh, um, but I'm back. I'm thankful that, you know, wasn't anything, but it's weird, man. Yeah. What was the, the week? Like, I mean, is there any sort of like on day five, you, you know, you have some sort of epiphany. I'll tell you, I'll tell you the, the, the moment that was, cause you know, it's hard to not feel like this is a spiritual event. You know, it's hard to not sort of put this weight on like, okay, what is it I need to know? Because, you know, it sort of feel, I mean, in, in, in a very hysterical, much more pedestrian way.

6:43But, you know, you think of like, um, who is John's dad, John the Baptist dad that got struck, you know, dumb because he, and you know, there's a little bit of like, what is God trying to tell you in this moment? Of course. But I'll tell you, I didn't even tell you this. It was really powerful. I left, so I went the first time. And you know, it's scary. It's like, one, I had to cancel that show, which was going to be kind of our income for the month. So that wasn't fun. Because turning down$350 ,000 like that, it's just tough. The first time is super hard. It's so hard. Eventually, it gets easier.

7:19That is in African rupees. so it is a different translation to american dollars no but you know it was it was like you know it was it was it was that was going to be kind of our income of the month and i don't know what your life is like but december isn't there's a lot of money leaving accounts yeah yeah it's not my account just emailed me so anyway uh you know i went to the first visit and it was like you know scary and i kind of left but like all right i think the good like that where I feel like something has been sort of given to me it's like hey this is just what this is yeah I feel like I'm pretty good at going okay like I don't fight that I'm not the guy I'm just like this is what this is it is a waste of my time to like well can I it's like so then I'm like all right lord like what does this mean like what what do you need what do I need to know what should I do about this and so that week was you know like it was good I felt like I was had some really great time praying and kind of like thinking through and um and some wonderfully encouraging things from friends you know people sending me verses and just kind of things to think about it was really great shout out to kendall maganya who sent me a really great thing about that really became a real message for me in that time um and isaiah but anyway go the second time and they're still there and i think that was maybe even harder than the first time because i I was like, oh, this is going to be a minute.

8:47Because I really thought I could go in and they'd just be gone. I was doing a lot of red light therapy stuff on my neck and really trying to be diligent about water intake and stuff. And I think when they were still there, they were much smaller. But it just was like the heaviness of like – because he and Jenny were both like – Dr. Kobayashi and Jenny were both like, look, is this going to take a while? And I think he really set in. I was like, is this going to be – we've got some shows at the beginning of the year. And so I was walking down 21st outside of Vanderbilt, and I was just really sad and frustrated.

9:22I was like, Lord, what are we doing? And I'm telling you, man, the Lord said to me, will you let me take care of you? I heard it as clear as a bell. And then said again, because I really just want to take care of you. I'm going to cry now, but it was such a poignant moment. like I stopped walking. It was so clear to me what he was saying. And it was just beautiful moment of kind of like, you know, these things that can happen in our lives where I think, you know, I just know in my life where I really feel like God is like, look, man, I told somebody this the other day, like this is turning into a very Christian episode all of a sudden, but, um, I don't know.

10:04I, I just think everything God's doing in our life is to free us. He's just trying to get us free. You know, it's like, Like he's trying to unburden us with things that we are burdened by and to give us the freedom that he can give. And I think there's been so much of that in my life in the last couple of years. And that moment was just such a wonderful moment. It just felt like such a gift. And I was like, man, if that's the product of this, I'm okay with that. That's a great product. And it's a great thing to really hear from the Lord. And so it really shifted the next few weeks for me. I was like, no, I don't need to worry about this.

10:36It's like, of course he's providing for me anyway, but I thought it was so kind of him to say that just to be like, and it was like, I just felt lighter. I was like, yeah, cool. I can't do anything about this. That's great. Yeah. So it was great. It was a wonderful thing to hear and feel, but, but yeah, I feel better. It's weird. It's like, you know, I can sing, but there's, I'm definitely like, I don't have my whole range. I'm great in, in like the middle. Yeah. but I'm still it's like very incremental how I can tell I'm getting the the top end back you know and so when do you have to sing again not for a few weeks yeah but you know what's the song that has to be cut first well I haven't even picked up the guitar to try yet because I just don't want to square up with it yet because I'm like that'll just send me to a place that I'm not ready to go yet and I can't do anything about it I think you know it's weird I thought about this in the car the other day I don't know if you're this way because I have a feeling this is probably like a first child like rule follower thing i do so well if you'll just tell me if you give me limitations i actually kind of thrive yeah because i'm like okay and so i even thought in the car i'm like this feels weirdly freeing because like i just like here's my range i can't do them let's make this work so we just wipe that off yeah so now what are we dealing with we moving some capos that's great because i can still sing like middle of my range i sound pretty normal yeah yeah and so i think now it's just going okay that's just and it's weirdly for my weird little personality i'm like i can that's great now i know just i don't even think about that it's not like well if i push well you know and i i mean not to get too in the weeds of singing and performing but there are i i think this a lot when i'm watching somebody perform and i and they're singing stuff that I'm very familiar with.

12:26It can't be new stuff, but it's like there, we have all these things, or I should just say for myself, I have these little things that I do, both on the piano and vocally, that become part of the song. And when I watch somebody perform songs that I'm very familiar with it's a good lesson like one of the immediate takeaways for me is what is actually necessary in the song like what what are the actual bones of the song and sometimes this happens a lot with like friends of mine who I've seen them you know if you go out on tour with somebody and you hear them singing a particular set of songs night after night after night there's always like a part of me that's like i bet they think that thing that they're doing here is integral to the song yeah yeah yeah right and i'm like you know and you never it's like if they ever ask me maybe i'll offer this but i'm like it's really not they could cut that out and i and then i'm like what are those things for me that i'm doing and even physically too yeah i can't bring myself to listen to back to like live board tapes or like let alone like watch a video but it would be so helpful to do because i've done it once in my career and there's like i used to do this thing where i would hover like i'm i'm like crouching down for the listener who can't see me i would be sitting on a drum throne every show but i wouldn't sit on it i would be like in a squat position the whole show because i'm like this this is energy like if i sit it's like oh okay everybody but i'm like no if i hover slightly then it's like brings the energy up and then i watched a video of it and i'm like you can't even tell that i'm not sitting on the drum throne sometimes i'm like dude just sit on the drum throne that thing that is taking 40 % of your energy is not even registering for the listener.

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20:44it's so funny you say that I'm like I think a really interesting subject again we can get out of this really quick because it's definitely insider baseball but I do think something that is misunderstood by anybody that hasn't taken the time to do what you just said is how we sing these songs a million times a year and so to us to albumin speak for me to me I'm like it's boring man you gotta spice it up do that little lick in the thing do they look yeah people hear that song if they're lucky live from me once a year right and so they're just going like hey just sing the thing man and I'm like I know you want the and they're like no I don't I don't actually I haven't seen you in three years would you sing I don't even remember would you just sing the thing yeah and so which is really freeing to me yeah it's not the opposite where I'm disappointed and they're like, oh, I'm like, oh, good.

21:37I don't have to. I think that is me. I'm speaking very much about me. If I have an Achilles heel with live shows, it is that sentiment. It is the feeling of like, oh, keep it going. Switch it up. What do they need? They've seen the show a bunch. They probably are tired of things. Right. And I think you said it so well. The great equalizer in that moment is remembering how you feel at those shows, which I want to take a – this is not planned, everybody. I want to take a – This is just raw podcaster instincts.

22:10you're watching someone really know how to navigate a conversation and impress me can i tell you i don't know why this made me think of it and we don't have to spend more than three minutes here but do you know what ben and i listened to the car yesterday that was so much fun to listen to was continuum and and this is this is where i'm going so it sort of lands is playing um obviously i would say you know it's in my top 20 records yeah for sure possibly pushing my 10 i mean it's the only album that amy and i stayed up till midnight and went and bought there you go i mean and he he has said this numerous times it is the crown jewel of his of his discography and i love his music yeah so that's really saying something but i think most people and he's he's really said that anyway but i bring it up because this like it was fun i haven't listened to that record a long time um and it was fun listening to it with ben who's my oldest my 14 year old because i was one encouraged that he really enjoyed it because i played some of his stuff for them in the past and they just did not it was like a big swing and a miss yeah um but ben was like very into it uh and and but you know what i really slept on on that record is how see where I'm going out, how good his voice sounds.

23:26Yes. I think that record, and this is how I experience a lot of things in my life, I sort of experience things as like, I don't know how to say, as explosions. Like things, it can be an experience, a song. I don't, I'm not the guy, it just comes to me as a huge blast of a thing. It's not separated into, man. And so what's great about that is that I can go back to these things and actually then experience them in sort of pieces of like, man, that time when I listened to it. So the first time I heard it was just like joy and amazement and like emotion. It wasn't a guy playing a guitar singing a song.

24:07It was just like, oh, God. But sitting with Ben, we were driving around a bunch yesterday afternoon between sports things, and he was with me. I found myself listening a lot more to guitar playing, john's voice like lyrics little melodies like i didn't really hear before and i remember thinking distinctly i mean that was a shift in the way he sang yes everything that was up to that was like that deeper yeah kind of super airy yeah thing and then he i'm like i remember hearing it and thinking he sings he's singing differently he said it's it's his voice really does sound great like not just how it's miked and the quality of it but like his tone and stuff is just really great yeah but man what a record oh my god what a record man i couldn't i couldn't talk about that record without tearing up for a while same thing that happened with um uh daw's a little bit of everything oh i could not our friend michael dalton played that song for me whenever that was six 15 years ago and then and I couldn't I couldn't talk about it it's so good it brought tears in my eyes yeah John I don't know I mean I think one of the great things about him I've never said it out loud so I may need to get Jason to cut this out because I don't want to be misconstrued but he's always frustrated me you know like knowing he's of my generation you know like we kind of came up around the same time not that it was ever a competition one because it never was but two that's not music right it's just we're all offering our music to you enjoy yeah it was always hard because he's just so good and he's so it's just screws your paradigm up it screwed my paradigm it was like you killed the bell curve every time yeah you know it was like he was the gifted kid in class you're like just go to another class like yeah right it's like like uh the piano recitals with jacob collier yeah in the beginning yeah you're like just leave the whole world is already frustrated with you i've like i was at the starting line with you yeah again not that that's how it works but and i'm kind of thankful that he was technically you know he kind of started his career probably a year before i did maybe a couple years so in some ways i was able to sort of write off a lot of it's like well i mean technically if i had we're the same age but he started before i did yeah but um but at the same time i mean he has always been such a tremendous inspiration to me and and i i mean honestly i would say more than anything he's kind of always been a little bit like i don't know how to say this in a way that that sounds uh too weird but i've always kind of felt like there's there's artists that i look to as kind of like north stars which is kills that analogy because there's only one north star but you know what I mean like they kind of help me arrange where I am yeah and and and when they and some you know like Stevie Wonders that and the Beatles or whatever but contemporary wise he is the one it's like every time John puts out music and I would say especially in that first 10-15 years it really I would feel myself realigned to like okay that's kind of where he is I need to keep that in mind because that's helpful and inspiring yeah and and um and it was so fun listen that record again yesterday and just remember I'm like you know here's my last thing I'll say about it I remember reading an interview and I think people that like that record should go back and listen because it'll you'll see this but he said something I thought was really great he's like on that record I really because that was really when kind of streaming was starting a little more and I think we were all feeling the fight to keep people's attention with other media and things and he was like I just realized that I needed to add a theme to the end of every song that was a new musical theme and it's so unbelievable every song he has this little new yeah musical thing that ends the song to so you don't skip it yeah and i and i love that about that record like it's a fun way to listen that record because you realize like he really does it's not sort of like chorus bridge second chorus or last chorus guitar so out it's like there's no copying and pasting no no no no And a lot of it is like a vocal thing or like a, you know, what does inside a mother's hand?

28:33The belief can't. There's so many of those. And then he does it. It's just cool to see that kind of intent and how effective it is. And that's one of the things I love about that record too. Speaking of the Beatles. Don't do that, John. Well, look, this is not planned. This is just raw. Don't make me sing. Don't make me sing. I mean I'm thinking I'm sure a lot of the listeners That are listening right now Follow you on Instagram And they saw the video that you posted But give a synopsis But I'm curious Now that it's been Has it been a month? When did this happen? Yeah a few weeks I'm curious What In real time or dream time?

29:17Because in this case It was five minutes ago It's still happening when when big things like that happen what is the effect after some time has gone by you know what i mean like is it something that you hang over well it's just like i i've had you know my versions of these things that have happened where immediately after you think okay this like go forward with this joy go forward with this yeah well said you know whatever solace you've taken from this or whatever like encouragement whatever don't lose it you know and so now not that much time has gone by but now that some time has gone by i'm curious how you feel about that now like are you able yeah yeah and to quickly catch people up that the uh paul mccartney so i have a friend Gary that who I just owe the world to at this point, but he really, um, he really helped Paul get the record.

30:23And this is, this is a, to answer your question, this is very apropos to this conversation. He got it. I don't know that he's heard it yet, even so real time. So, you know, he sent me, I want to read it. He sent the, um, he sent a email to his PR people. Paul did McCartney he was Beatles great guy uh super talented um and so Beatles frontman at hotman hotmail.gmail that's we both know that's a real email that's living in the world um and so the fun part of this story um which I haven't really I don't maybe I maybe told this with you and the girl I can't remember where I talked about this but um you know it's been a for my My goal with the record was for him to hear it.

31:10That's two and a half years ago. And so it's been a long time trying to meet. But he is, I would argue, other than current relevant superstars, Beaver and Sabrina Carter, he's probably the hardest person to get to for anybody that's in our industry. I mean, he's Paul McCartney. So it just took a long time of me trying to figure out how to do that. So anyway, Gary, my buddy, helps this happen. his PR person I should probably shout him out should I tell him? is it weird if I so he's in a band called Take That and his it's Gary Barlow and so Gary Gary's just about I can't say enough about how great Gary is so the whole I met Gary through Lucy Silvis and John Osborne who are just amazing people he was here and he's a superstar internationally and he laughs that the States is just kind of one place that you know, take that, had a huge hit with whatever I did, whatever I did I didn't mean to hear I love that song and so the reason that I met him is because I told Lucy when she was on Dadville, I think she talked about it but on Dave's Five Hot Takes she talked about it too back in the day but she sang Background for Gary and I was like, you need to understand something that song is one of my favorite songs of all time she's like, well you need to meet him, you'd love him And I was like, if that ever, I just, that'd be such a fun conversation.

32:33So then, you know, earlier this year, she called me and she's like, Hey, Gary, we're going to eat. He's in town. You want to come? And it was just such a fun conversation. He is the most gregarious, talkative, just wonderful guy. Paid for everybody's meal. He's that kind of guy. So I tell him the story. He's like, I think I can help. And so that's takes months to land this. And he told me, he's like, if we pull this off, it's going to take a while. So just, I could get emotional talking about how kind he was. anyway so he finally is like okay i think it's happening like is there anything else i need to know whatever i sent him the record he gets it so sure enough i'm going to bed one night this is terrible and um whatever that was three weeks ago and i'm you know kind of putting my phone up and i'm putting my email up just like all right i'm just gonna look one last time and i refresh it and there's an email from gary and it says here it is and i was like oh my gosh my heart rate goes up i'm like i'm just staring at the phone it's like it's such a movie moment i'm staring on the phone i'm like okay so he didn't use the subject take that i feel like that's a missed opportunity on his part you should end that so there's no way nothing nothing's gonna beat that so good so i have this dilemma because i'm like if i look at this now i'm not sleeping tonight i have no idea what it's gonna say so i click on the email just out of curiosity i start to scroll and i was like nope and i close it and i was like i have to and somehow i slept that night which is pretty remarkable i think too i wanted to extend the tension yeah yeah yeah you know so get up the next morning and basically the email is three paragraphs that have been copied and pasted the first is from the pr guy to gary his that he works with saying hey here's paul's thing such a fun thing glad we could help second one is from paul to gary and it's like hey thank you so much for this means like you're thinking of me i love i love this it's this is so fun or something like that and the third one this is what it said um okay uh dear dave just for the listener dave is is reading this from his tattoo on the spot you laugh i've i'm not real far from that so uh hey dave thanks for sending me your music to listen to beatles music for a whole year means you're fully qualified crazy cat i love that so much i look forward to checking out your songs and i'm really quite flattered that you took this approach we enjoyed making the music and it's great that you enjoyed it and listening to it cheers paul and i this is the that that line trips me up every time the thing i haven't even thought about is how flattered i mean paul mccartney's flattered like probably should be the least flattered person in the world i mean everything yeah you should just know like of course people but just just i don't know something feels so broad in like he's letting just to say we enjoyed making the music the beatles he didn't put the beatles but we right it's just such i would just like i can't get over that line i'm like yeah That's just the coolest thing in the world.

35:26I was like, oh, yeah, we enjoyed it. And I'm like, oh, like you and John and Paul and Ranglick. It's like, yeah, you know, we. Yeah. I'm like, that's so cool. Anyway, so it's been, to answer your question, I'll say, I think like, I don't know, man. I just feel I'm so, it feels so fun because it's like there was this thing I was trying to do, and by God's grace and Gary's kindness, it happened. Yeah. Like this, what felt absolutely impossible, like to get a physical record in the hand. So this, and I should say that it's not a digital, this is not the Spotify thing. Everybody I knew that knew him was like, he's going to want the record.

36:06And so then it gets even more insurmountable, which is kind of fun. Right. Because it's like, this is not like I emailed and emailed and got forwards. It is a physical thing that I sent to him in London via Gary, got to him, you know? So that's even more fun. I attached a note to it, which I hope he read and I'm sure he did, which is really fun. And it was a co-write idea. It's a really great lyric. I want to see what he does with it. But so that's fun. And I think where I am now is like just being really honest. It's hard not to feel like the story isn't done yet because I just want to I just I'm dying to know if he listened to it.

36:41I'm dying to know like what he thinks of it, if and when he does, you know, if he has any reactions to it. So it's almost like it's whet the appetite even more now. Yeah. Because I'm like, you know, I'm just dying to know. Like, did he listen to it? I think, you know, my take on it now, I really think he will. And I know that sounds ridiculous probably in some ways. I think what's compelling about it is that, you know, it's sort of Gary has put it to him. And so I think as a friend, you'd be like, well, I want to, you know, it's like if you came to me and said, hey, there's this guy that loves your music.