Einstein Couldn't Fix a Dryer Either

29 Sep 2026 · 49 min · 20 chapters

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In short

Dadville episode blends (1) announcements about Christmas concerts and (2) a “do it yourself” dad story about fixing home problems, then (3) a fast “etiquette court” segment judging texting/party/dinner/serving rules.

Guests

No guests appear. Hosts are Dave Barnes and Jon McLaughlin.

Guest backgrounds

Not applicable (no external guests). Dave and Jon are musicians/podcasters and dads.

Key claims

Jon says he’s “44” and credits doing repairs for confidence; he argues you can learn by trying even if you “swing and miss.” They claim dryers are simpler once opened. In etiquette court, they say leaving a party without saying goodbye depends on how well you know people; swiping through someone’s photos is usually not okay; texting after 10 p.m. is fine; tipping is debated.

Notable examples

Jon fixes a six-foot exterior wall leak by tightening a loose PVC rubber coupling; later he disassembles a dryer and plans to replace the heating element using a multimeter borrowed from neighbor Andrew. They discuss splitting dessert (don’t take bites if you declined), and tipping/coffee screen prompts.

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Upcoming Christmas Shows

0:54 to 1:19

Discussion about their upcoming Christmas shows and locations.

“of believers who come together to help carry one another's medical expenses.”

Upcoming Christmas Shows

1:24 to 5:02

Discussion about their upcoming Christmas shows and locations.

“Well, I feel like we do ourselves a disservice because sometimes we're too humble.”

John's Home Repair Adventures

5:02 to 9:30

John shares his experience with home repairs and fixing a leak.

“My voice probably sounds a little different to our listeners because last time you heard my voice, that was 43-year-old John.”

Troubleshooting the Dryer

9:30 to 14:44

John discusses the challenges and experience of fixing his dryer.

“So when you put it back up, did you do that like where you braced it to something or did you just kind of, yeah.”

Troubleshooting the Dryer

14:47 to 15:00

John discusses the challenges and experience of fixing his dryer.

“That's code dadville at heypolo.com slash dadville.”

Troubleshooting the Dryer

15:10 to 16:03

John discusses the challenges and experience of fixing his dryer.

“Quince prices everything 50 % to 80 % less than similar brands.”

Becoming Handy: Overcoming Fear

16:19 to 18:14

Explore tips on becoming more handy and the confidence it brings.

“Sometimes the jokes write themselves down.”

Etiquette Court: Social Norms

18:15 to 21:12

Join a lively discussion on social etiquette at parties and gatherings.

“I will walk around my house and just fix things, John.”

Navigating Conversations: Sharing Stories

21:13 to 24:48

Discuss the nuances of sharing stories and correcting language.

“I did this this week, so I was like, oh.”

The Role of Voice Memos and Texting

24:49 to 28:03

Examine the etiquette of using voice memos and texting at night.

“This is kind of like my response is how your response was with the swiping.”
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Texting Etiquette and Morning Routines

28:03 to 30:48

Explore the hosts' thoughts on when it's appropriate to text and their morning habits.

“I have a pretty black and white rule on this.”

Splitting Restaurant Checks

30:49 to 32:55

A discussion on the ethics and experiences of splitting bills at restaurants, especially regarding alcohol.

“If someone says at dinner, hey, do you want to split dessert?”

Dessert Sharing Dilemma

32:56 to 35:03

The hosts debate the nuances of sharing dessert and the implications of declining to split.

“I didn't know that this one went this deep until I started thinking about it.”

Dessert Sharing Dilemma

35:07 to 36:22

The hosts debate the nuances of sharing dessert and the implications of declining to split.

“That's code dadville at kpolo.com slash dadville.”

Dessert Sharing Dilemma

36:28 to 36:46

The hosts debate the nuances of sharing dessert and the implications of declining to split.

“They just pulled over again because they're like, that can't be.”

Tipping Conundrums

36:46 to 42:05

In-depth analysis of tipping practices, including service expectations and personal experiences.

“Because I obviously could be like, well, you said you didn't want it.”

The Changing Landscape of Tipping

42:05 to 44:14

Explore the evolving norms around tipping in various service industries.

“They're doing infinitely more work and getting paid the same as someone who's not even doing the work and getting paid.”

Eyebrow Services and Tipping Dilemmas

44:15 to 45:56

Discuss the complexities of tipping for personal grooming services.

“And it's like, look, for, again, for younger generations, maybe that's what they grew up on.”

Adjusting Thermostats: Social Etiquette

45:57 to 48:25

Delve into the social norms regarding adjusting thermostats in others' homes.

“Now, I know some people that's fine with that and they're all weird people and they should be dealt with.”

The Infuriating Vacation HVAC Experience

48:26 to 51:28

Hear a frustrating story about vacation home temperature control issues.

“No, this would have been because he's 10.”
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Transcript

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0:04Jon McLaughlin:Hi, I'm Dave Barnes and I'm Jon McLaughlin and welcome to Dadville. Dadville is a podcast where we talk about life, love and the pursuit of awesome dadding. It's funny thoughts and deep talks. So please enjoy your time here in Dadville and enjoy this episode with Dave and me. John.

0:54Jon McLaughlin:of believers who come together to help carry one another's medical expenses. It's people living out the idea that we're stronger when we support each other and show up for one another. They offer programs for different stages of life and different budgets. So whether you're newly married, starting a family, or just looking for a better, more aligned approach, it's worth checking out. If you've been praying about a better way to navigate health care, this could be something to look into. You can learn more at libertyhealthshare.org. That's libertyhealthshare.org. Liberty HealthShare, a force for good.

1:29Can I start with this, John? I mean, depending on what it is, yes. Well, I feel like we do ourselves a disservice because sometimes we're too humble. And what I want to start with is that we actually have Christmas shows coming up. And I feel like smarter, more like, what would be the word? like entrepreneurial podcasters would just be hammering. I love that you're stumbling after you're like smarter.

1:53Jon McLaughlin:I mean, uh, it's listen more. You can take the boy out of the sip, but you can't take the sip out of the boy, John. But I think more entrepreneurial podcast hosts would say, we're going to hammer our audience with all of the things about our other businesses. I know, but we don't do that because we're benevolent. We're kind, we're spiritual, we're scared. Um, and, and a little insecure about ever doing that, to be really honest with you. Um, But we do have Christmas shows and we want people to be there because when people come to them, we get to have fun financially. And to just the actual night is so much better.

2:27It is. So, John, no, would you just give let's give a quick 30 minute fly over what's happening with the Christmas shows because we're getting into the fall. It's about to be October. Maybe it is October when this comes out. I don't even know when this is coming out. It could be to 2028 at this point that we're releasing this.

2:41Jon McLaughlin:But I think it's just probably going to be October when this comes out. OK, well, you know, I'm not. Look, I've got a lot of Christmas shows. Yeah, tell the people. Just give them a quick, when do they start, when do they end, where are you going to be? I'll tell you what, for the first time ever in my entire life, I'm playing in Hoover, Alabama. And those Hooverans have been... Oh my goodness. How many, if you had to round, if you had to, let's say the average amount of texts and emails you're getting about people wanting to come play in Hoover, what would you say that is? It's a good portion.

3:12Jon McLaughlin:Let's just leave it at that. Okay, good. Let's just put a number on it. Yeah. Let's don't put it on it. So I'm doing two nights in Hoover, guys. That's November 19th, November 20th. Then we're swinging over to Atlanta. Okay. Then I'm back here in Nashville, actually, Franklin. Yeah. Then I'm hitting Annapolis. Yes. Maryland. Vienna. D.C. area. Philly. Evanston, which is Chicago area. Carmel, which is an Annapolis area. Ann Arbor, which is Detroit area. Pittsburgh, which is Pittsburgh. New York, which is near New Jersey. Plymouth, Mass. Never been there before. Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

3:44Jon McLaughlin:I had two shows in Portsmouth. Then I'm ending in old Saybrook, Connecticut. There it is. Old Saybrook. And these are going to be Christmas shows. People are going to want to be there. John's show is really, truly fantastic. It's a good time. We wear out, the Barnes family wears out your music anyway, John, but Christmas, it's heavily rotated. We have a lot of John McLaughlin Christmas music. I appreciate it. Every stream counts. Dave, now you've got some Christmas shows coming up. Okay, here we go. Go ahead. I'm going to read through these. I'm going to try to go as fast as I can. Okay, December 10th, we have the Shermerhorn Nashville.

4:16December 11th, we have Knoxville the Bijou. Right. Yeah, so that's it. There they are. Yes. Yes. So come. It should be fun. We took a year off. We took a year off last year.

4:26Jon McLaughlin:I have been to Dave's Christmas show. I've never been to the Knoxville one, but I've been to the one at the Shermerhorn. I say Skirmhorn, but potato, potato. It's if you have Germanic roots. Yeah, yeah. And it's so fun. It's awesome. Yeah, we have a good time. We're going to try to change some things up this year. And the Sherma Hornet is such an amazing screw. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, thank you. Get your tickets, everybody. So that's, look, that's just me being a good steward. That's what that little three-minute break was, was just going, hey, people out there want to know about shows, and we don't tell them enough, John, so we're doing some Christmas shows.

4:59So anyway, y 'all come to the Christmas shows. John, would you do me a favor? What else is going on with your life? Tell the people. Tell me. I'll tell you right now, Dave. Okay, tell me.

5:07Jon McLaughlin:My voice probably sounds a little different to our listeners because last time you heard my voice, that was 43-year-old John. What you're hearing right now, what's hitting your tympanic membrane, this is 44-year-old John. That is wisdom. 44. Years. Old. Trips around the sun. Yeah. And it was great. I had a wonderful birthday. It was awesome. I saw you. You did. You sent me a nice text. I did. One of the texts was like, wait, is today your birthday? I was so nervous. I try to stay pretty up on that stuff and so when y 'all drove by we're heading to birthday dinner I was like well how did I completely miss this and then I realized it was the day before and I felt so much relief Can I say quickly though what has made me feel Awesome, I mean, I'm we're midway through it.

5:58Jon McLaughlin:So this next Dave and John episode I could talk about my epic failure at this stuff But I've had a couple major-ish home repairs that I'm tackling myself Dave what is the purpose of this podcast other than for this conversation John right this is what we kind of thought the whole podcast would be at the beginning I think we over assumed our ability to do said home repairs yeah and listen let me be clear Mike McLaughlin my father he is very handy he understands and we don't like cleared not handsy handsy no not anymore but he can fix anything whether it's like a wall or like a motor he just he knows how it works he can fix it i am not that way but i aspire to be and so i found john can i say this do you know what you can't fix that thing you don't like in the bridge of the song you just wrote that bridge should it be a major seven are we even going to do that should we just keep it a natural chord are we going to do do we do diminished dominant there's you don't know you can fix that though that's where i've got some tools can mike do that he probably probably can't yeah he's a sax player he knows but so we we found a leak in one of our exterior walls recently whoa next thing you know dave i got a couple guys coming in looking at stuff and i'm like i'm just gonna cut into this wall actually our friend matt long who i love he came by he was and he was like dude just start cutting into this wall see what's in there and i was like you can i can do that you can he's like yeah well you need to get like a drywall saw and immediately for for someone who's not very handy i know where this is going for some reason i'm like already overwhelmed i'm excited to go to the hardware store and buy a new tool yes i think that is that's not every guy but i i'm like yeah i'm in so i go and i get this new drywall saw i just start cutting into which means we now have a drywall us all it's 100 right it's exciting and anyway all that to say well no you can't don't fuck how big is this like how how brave are you and you cut this hole how big is it i well i i'm cutting at like one by one foot little squares because i'm just i'm just looking i'm looking for like a crack in a drain pipe or something okay i end up cutting about six feet out of this wall and i I find the problem.

8:31Jon McLaughlin:I fix the problem. Wait, no, don't fly. What'd you do? What was it? These two, we're going to lose. Actually, maybe don't do it. Hang with us here. These two PVC pipes, there's like a rubber coupling right in the middle. And it was loose. And the top PVC pipe was just sitting on this little coupling thing. And it has these little braces, you know, that you, I don't know if that's the term. They were totally loose. So I had to get them down in there, clean it all up, take it down. Did you take your shirt off and have Amy watch? Yes. Well, she left, but I've been sending her videos. So I fixed it.

9:10There's no longer a leak. Did you have to buy anything other than the saw? Well, I guess you had drywall. Did you patch the drywall? So I put the drywall.

9:19Jon McLaughlin:I mean, I cut the drywall out really nice and cleanly. I got you. I have hung the drywall back up, but now I have to mud it. Patch it, yeah. and do that kind of thing. Holy cow. That's where I'm at right now. So when you put it back up, did you do that like where you braced it to something or did you just kind of, yeah. Jeez, John. You know what I did, Dave? Tell me. We have like this Ikea kids table that we got like when the girls were four years old. John, you're leveling up 44. It's a different John. Yeah. You didn't spend money? I broke out pieces of that thing and fastened it to the studs in the wall.

9:59You guys are pregnant and you didn't even touch Amy. Right. That's how potent you are right now. Just with these videos. Don't walk around the neighborhood, John. Don't do it. You're too potent.

10:09Jon McLaughlin:Anyway, we're midway through that, but here's another thing, Dave. Yesterday or the day before, I can't remember, all of a sudden I noticed our dryer is not heating up. There's no heat in the dryer. The heating element? There's a heating element problem. Probably. But on any other day, I would just be like, all right, let's use some Amex points and get a new dryer. But not the guy who got a six-foot hole in the wall and fixed it. I own a drywall saw, Dave. I don't call a repair guy for my dryer anymore. So I get that drywall saw, I just start hacking away at the dryer. Dave, upstairs right now, our dryer is completely taken apart.

10:49Jon McLaughlin:No. I took out the heating element. i'm like test i i our neighbor andrew down the street who's like the handiest man on the street okay i borrowed a ouch ouch that hurt i don't even remember oh the multimeter shot across the bell but i'm okay keep going keep going i asked him i so i texted you hey do you have a multimeter and you're like and then once i was out you're like i don't know what that is yeah i asked andrew hey do you have a multimeter and he's like of course i have a multimeter Andrew, we need to just shout out to Andrew who lives across the street from me the handiest part, like it's not a competition well, unless other dads want to out themselves well, here's the thing, there may be some super handy dads who could go toe to toe, but what Andrew can also do is like did your heart just stop?

11:37Jon McLaughlin:yeah, because I'm a duck I'm a heart surgeon one of the most benevolent, kind things someone has ever done for me he has an incredible shed it's clean, it's full of every tool that God has ever made, including like potentially caveman era stuff. And he told me, he got this multimeter out of a file cabinet. No, he doesn't. And that's how multi-purposed he is. He's like, you saw a file cabinet. I see a tool drawer. He, you know, which I'm sure he's done with you because he's the greatest guy or was like, oh, dude, just here's the code. Just get in there and get what you need. And it was like, someone told me, oh, you want to get in there and use one of my J45s or my Martin D10s that were made, you know, before like humans walked.

12:16Yeah. Get in there. It's made out of Noah's Arkwood or from the crucifix. Like you can use those. I mean, it was, he is by far. He's great. He's amazing.

12:26Jon McLaughlin:So anyway, so now I'm like, I'm ordering parts for a new heating element. We'll see how it goes. I'll tell you something. You know, Bill, men know this that are listening and laughing kind of like, cause they know this thing, but the inside of the dryer is not, they're pretty simple things. I mean, they're not, you know, they're complicated. What are you doing right now? What? don't diminish my I want you to say like MIT grads are dumbfounded at the inside of dryers they can't handle it Einstein tried to get a job he could never get dryers he could never get dryers Samsung he had flown to Japan in the early days of Samsung and he turned right around he turned right around that I can't do I had to fix something in our washer and it was crazy.

13:19Like once you take the top off, you're like, this is, I mean, there's definitely complicated things. I'm not making light of that, but it's much more approachable than the machine looks.

13:27Jon McLaughlin:I'll say it that way, which is how a lot of women described me in college. Once that top comes off, it's pretty simple. That is true of every man, by the way. I'm just, I want to put that on there. It's true.

13:42John.

13:43Jon McLaughlin:Dave. It's me, Dave. Okay. I didn't know if it was you. I just went with a generic name because there are a lot of Dave's. I got a haircut and I'm super ripped now. You know that feeling when your kid is driving somewhere and you realize it's been 20 minutes since they were supposed to get there? Oh. Yeah. Hondo P. That's 100%. Yeah. You don't want to send the like, where are you text? Yeah, what's up? You know? But you're definitely thinking about sending the where are you text. What's up? Obviously. Exactly. I don't want to constantly check on my kids. No. I just want to know they're okay. Yes.

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16:27Things get simpler. Sometimes the jokes write themselves down. This is one of those Mondays where God's just smiling down on us and he wants us to have a good time. I really, I want to say this. I'm really impressed with that. And I think for anyone listening to this that doesn't find themselves, I would say I'm handsy and not handy. But as I've gotten more handy, I'm less handsy. And that's not a conversation we're going to have right now. That's deep. But I will say what gives you confidence and has given me confidence. I remember my dad telling me this when, and I'm sure Mike said something akin to you, was I'll never be proud of you.

17:01So I think the thing I wanted to talk about today. No, I remember my dad saying when he fixed something at our house right after we got married or something. And I was like, how do you not do this stuff? And he said, literally by doing it, that's how you know how to do it. You just do it. And I was like, Oh, he's like, you just be okay with knowing like every now and then you swing and you miss or you learn, you know, you break something, you go, okay. And, uh, and it is the truest. It's so true. So if you're listening out there and if we dare, I say we have some young dads, dare I say we have some young people.

17:27I don't even care if it's a guy, somebody, you know, young college girl, young high school guy who's like i just want to be more handy it's just just getting in there and

17:37Jon McLaughlin:doing it it's just doing it and now i mean with youtube it's a video for everything you got chat gpt in one hand youtube and then the other dave my number if you need um this is what i want us to do john by the way wonderful springboard in this conversation and i want you to hear me sound proud of you because i do that stuff can be really overwhelming thank you um and you still you know You still have a ways to go, though, because I've found that I did this with my washer. I took it apart and was going to replace something, and it didn't go well. But that's not what I'm not putting that on here.

18:07Jon McLaughlin:Why have we not talked about that on the podcast, Dave? Look, I do it. I do it. Fix. I just keep taking it apart.

18:19I will walk around my house and just fix things, John. It's just who I am. Yeah. No. Okay. Here's something I thought would be really, really fun today to do. We're going to play etiquette court where we are going to judge etiquette in numerous iterations of things. And we're going to try to fly through these because there's a lot of them, John. There are a lot. But I don't want us to skip potent things we need to add. I know. Any thoughts we have.

18:44Jon McLaughlin:Some of these we could camp out on for a while. We could. So basically, what we're going to ask the question, we're just going to ask questions about etiquette in certain scenarios. Okay? And you and I are Judge Judy the Executioner on these. Okay? So let's start with social etiquette. I'll ask the first one. Is it okay to leave a party without saying goodbye?

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19:07Jon McLaughlin:I think it depends on how many people you know personally at the party. If you're over 40%, you've got to say goodbye. I like that. If you only know, if you came because you're really good friends with the host, but you don't know anybody else, you can totally leave without saying goodbye. Wow, I'd maybe go the opposite. Okay, respect. I hear that. Because here's the thing. You don't owe people that you don't know a goodbye because they'd be like, oh, I didn't even know. You didn't say hello first. I don't even know who you are. That looked like a guy from Dadville. Right? But the host, the only reason why you maybe wouldn't have to say goodbye to them because it's like they got a lot on their plate.

19:47Jon McLaughlin:They got a lot on their plate. They're hosting. Let me take something off. I know them. We'll talk tomorrow. Yeah. I'm going to get out of here. Also, saying goodbye, that could be you you sometimes have to plan that 45 minutes ahead of time yeah yeah what are your thoughts on that you would go the opposite you said well i just i'm okay slipping out the older i get i'm okay to just not say goodbye ever and just kind of because i just don't think people care i really don't i don't think anybody's like dave and annie didn't say goodbye but see it It depends. Obviously, like if it's a small, if it's, you know, eight people.

20:23Right.

20:25Jon McLaughlin:But I think it's like a double date. You should probably say goodbye. Or if it's a date with me and Annie, I should probably at some point close. But like if you and I and Amy and Annie were over at our friend Jeremy Bloom's and the house is is packed. No, he doesn't care. But I'm like, you're going. I don't. I'm not going to care if you leave without saying goodbye to me. because I'm like, we live feet apart from each other. I'll see Dave. I wouldn't even think about it. But if I haven't seen you in forever, let's say I'm our buddy, Micah Dalton. I'm in town from Atlanta. I'm at Jeremy's party.

21:04Jon McLaughlin:Then it's like, well, I don't know if I might not see Dave for another year. Yeah, that makes sense. This is already taking too long, by the way. I know. When someone shows you a picture on their phone, can you swipe? I love this. I think no. I think no, but I live yes. I did this this week, so I was like, oh. And I was like, I'm sorry, I have to. One, because he was like, oh, there's a few pictures. Well, if you're giving a warning. Yeah, but I was like, you can't. What else is in there? No, I think the only time that it is maybe acceptable to do a swipe unsupervised is if someone's like, hey, check out this home renovation that we just did.

21:47Jon McLaughlin:And you know that there's not just one picture. Yeah, there's a lot. There's going to be a lot. What if there was one? But even then, it's like, I don't know if I'm swiping right or swiping left. I might get into... That's the adventure. As Stephen Curtis Chavin sang about infamously years ago, that is the great adventure. That's what that was about. Do you know what I think you're... Do you know what I think the risk is now that you're going to see what people are... it's gonna be pictures of like moles and rashes yeah you know you're not you know you're not gonna see some photo that some guys got you're like whoa bro it's gonna be like oh god that's a lot of skin you're like it's that's a picture for my doctor on your torso yeah yeah that's that's for my doctor and chat gpt and me that's it so many people ages eye photos are full of just like hey chat what is this okay chat what has this always been all right i'm gonna go real quick oh If someone's telling a story that you've heard before, are you required to tell them that you've heard it?

22:45I think it, I, yes, because I do that. I, I'm afflicted with not remembering who I've said what to. And so I tell people, I'm like, hey, if I've said, and every now and then, like, my good friends will be like, oh, yeah, you told me that. Great. But I will do that to people like, oh, yeah, you told me that. Because I'm like, listen, man, I don't know how many days I have left in my life. I don't know. In the next seven minutes.

23:03Jon McLaughlin:There's a window of time where you can do that casually and it's totally fine. It's right at the beginning and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. But one time I told a story to a friend of ours and it was like on a car trip. It was just the two of us. It's a long story. And 75 % of the way through, I was like, it hit me. I was like, wait a minute. Dude, I've told you this story. And he's like, yeah, you have. He's in the story. Well, in that moment, I was like, I'm a little bit, I know he was being nice. You wanted him to. But I'm like, dude. Yeah, yeah. Just stop me. You made me look like an idiot.

23:42Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. And he would say, no, that was you. Because you already told me. It was actually Brandon Heath.

23:49Jon McLaughlin:Shout out to Brandon for sitting through that story. Give me your eyes. Okay. Is it rude to correct someone's pronunciation or if they say a word wrong?

24:00Jon McLaughlin:I think he kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Root's a strong word. I can't help it. I think I like words enough that when somebody says something wrong, I'm like, I just, because it's like, so to your point, watch me do this. Let's say you and I are at this caramel horn.

24:21Let's end. It's too good. I think we have to end the episode there. That's a perfect button. That's what we call a callback, folks. That's a callback. but but i i think it is actually in the same way that you would say someone needs to tell you you've told that story i would say you're not caring for someone well if they say

24:38Jon McLaughlin:something so wrong yeah and it depends on how egregious there you go yeah yeah but and if they're if you know that they're about to go into a setting where they're going to use that word they're going to redo it there you're you're kind of a proof of concept conversation for later yeah you're like listen man don't no don't do it because you're kind of doing the same thing with the story because you can feel someone like hey i gotta tell you the story and you're like it's like someone who's about to walk out on the tonight show stage and they have a booger in their nose you know i have to tell you this is uncomfortable but you have okay can we move into another subject are you okay with that yep let's go texting and phones is sending a five minute voice memo acceptable?

25:26Jon McLaughlin:This is kind of like my response is how your response was with the swiping. I don't know if it's acceptable, but I'm going to do it. Oh my gosh, am I going to do it? I just feel like I can express what I'm feeling so much better in a voice memo. I do think it's a little lazy because I'm like, I don't want to take the time and energy to be concise. So yeah, I'm going to send it. here is one Apple's new phone update you can speed through voice memos now which is revolutionary you can go two times like I just noticed that this morning did you two times me this morning and that is not you but a dear friend two timer classic two timer second thing I send you know there are things that I really am proponents of God's love for us how great my family is music great music yeah I love a kindness kindness mercy the hope that we have a gospel voice memos yeah I went in reverse order yeah that's well just cuz you know I don't want people to judge me I have tried to I've tried and converted so many people to voice memos like I remember being an early adopter and just like I'm gonna do this no matter what people think and so many people like dude I can't tell you the amount of times that I've heard the phrase on a voice and man, I don't really do this much, but I know you're doing it.

26:49And then people are like, why have I never done this? But I will tell you, I have a few friends that we will send. I've gotten a 12-minute voice memo from someone. I've gotten an eight-minute. I've sent. That's another level. That's a podcast.

27:04Jon McLaughlin:Someone just sent you a podcast. Which is how I listen to them. I get excited because I'm like, I'm going to go pick Ben up. Oh, I'll just hit, you know, John said that one. That'll be what I listen to when we wait a day. Yeah, yeah. You know, so I don't. so I'm a little weird that way because I actually really enjoy those but I know not everybody does so you know it's it's they never bother me I like I wonder too if Nashville because it's a creative community of really expressive extroverted people if it's more of a thing in Nashville than other cities like people maybe listen to me like I've never sent one of those in my life but I'm telling you try it because I do believe most people that try it go oh gosh this is so much better than texting yeah totally and now you can two times that mother and i mean eventually we're we're going to get to the point where we're like voice texting at the same time in real time and we call that a phone call i don't know we're not ready for it yeah but i don't know that phones can do all right i'm going to hit you with one hit me with one is it rude to text someone after 10 p.m this was my next one can i add can i add an addendum before 7 a.m uh yeah yeah same same rule I have a pretty black and white rule on this.

28:16Jon McLaughlin:Okay, come on. The answer is no. You can text someone at any time. I love that. I love that. Because if you text me at midnight and it wakes me up, I think that's on me. Yeah, that's fair. I should have put my phone on silent. Yeah. That's on me. I think the thing that scares me, at 10 p.m., I'm not awake. So, I mean, you're not going to text me at 11, unless I'm on the road, or I'm making some really bad decisions that you should pick up. you should text me and call me because i need to come pick you up we need to have a hard conversation of retold stories i think i am more at the age i am i because you know and i mean you're you're doing this more than i am but like i'm up in the morning you know either running or i'm up i'm lifting i don't know if we've talked about me sure lifting now you can see it now oh yeah i'm taking creatine john i don't care anymore that's where i am in my life i'll cut i put the creatine powder are on the weights and you sort of shoot them you kind of throw them in yeah and then like that you're just like the way i think it like you're my Cyrus so i get more nervous because once i'm up i mean nobody would be surprised to hear this about me my brain is fully engaged and fully going i need no warm-up time i am at full throttle at two minutes one minute into being awake so especially if i'm going to run my brain's really gone and i'll be like oh i need to text and then I need to, oh, or I'm just thinking about somebody.

29:36Hey man, thinking about you this morning. But I'm like, if you get a text from me at 617, because that, are people like, bro, you got to, sir, you got to chill out. Is that too much? No.

29:46Jon McLaughlin:No? I don't think so at all. I'm glad he is. And I don't know when the feature of silencing your phone, I mean, you could always turn your phone off, but like going on Do Not Disturb, whenever that became available, I would say two years after that is when it is now okay everyone should be on board now it's like it's like when a spoiler alert is no longer it's like there's no spoiler alert for top yeah yeah yeah it's been out for like 40 years don't tell me though i don't don't i know and that's why i used that example because you gotta watch it is it still the top gun is what i want to know is it still the best gun and that's what you have to watch you have to watch i think i get more concerned with people going what is this psycho doing at 6 17 like go inside and be with your family and stop having thoughts the family's not up yet it's needed that from me john i saw this years ago and something like the 5 a.m email is the ultimate like business humble brag it's like i'm up yeah what are you guys doing sleeping i'm already productive okay can can we dive into restaurants because i have i have a really i have one that i really want to know if you're splitting the check or and someone doesn't drink should they have to pay for everyone else alcohol this is this is this affects you it does probably all the someone who drinks heavily and i'll drink for other people but the only thing you love more than alcohol is splitting checks it's a venn diagram it's the nexus of passion yeah no i'm sure you are the one at the table but this is yes i don't really drink there's like a couple of cocktails that i like but but typically i just don't drink and that's not you know i just it all tastes like horse tt to me and so i've numerous times been in you know situations where like you know like everybody's having drinks which is great and we all split some pizzas or something whatever you know and then it kind of comes down to like i mean annie and i had this conversation last week because this happened to her where she's like randomly i just didn't have a drink that night she's a huge boozer huge and uh and she was like i mean my bill was like 75 bucks because everybody there had had numerous drinks and i was like well why didn't you just tell him say i'm not telling and i was like oh that's i have zero problem being like hey guys like i didn't i mean it is so much more expensive it's half the bill a lot but you think it's okay for me to be like hey i'd rather not have to yeah i mean i think ideally you the other people should recognize hey dave and well they're too drunk that's true that's the longer the dinner goes buzzed and drunk and they I don't care.

32:19Jon McLaughlin:No, I think it's 100 % fine. You should not split that bill. Okay, that gives me. Okay, let's jump to another one. Ooh, John. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, you have one. Speaking of splitting. I'm flying. Yeah, yeah. If someone says at dinner, hey, do you want to split dessert? And you're like, I don't think so. And then they order dessert, and then you take a little bite of it. That's no. No, no, no, no, no. You can't do that. Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah. Well, that's a great question. You can't do that. The only time that that could be acceptable is if the person does get the dessert. Yeah. Okay.

32:56Jon McLaughlin:Hang on. I didn't know that this one went this deep until I started thinking about it. I was going to say, you're really belonking this. But here's the thing. If I'm like, hey, do you want to split this cheesecake? And you're like, no. That implies that I really only wanted half this cheesecake. Oh, I never thought about that. But you've got to order the whole cheesecake. so then that is fascinating what i want is just half the cheesecake so are you helping me out by taking a little bit of the part that i didn't let me ask you this and i really mean this let's say you order that you like let's say this is me and you we're on the road and you're like hey uh i really want dessert and i'm like man i think i'm good and you're like cool i'm gonna get this cheesecake and you eat half of it you're not gonna eat the rest right can i eat i now eat the rest or is that kind of like i've kind of well you got to determine am i taking a little doggy bag am i taking that home let's say you're not you're like dude i'm done now you don't invite me to eat it you just go okay i'm done because you assumed i didn't want it but now i'm realizing like god looking at it do i have to pay for it i know if you ate the whole thing

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36:45Jon McLaughlin:I think both people have a solid argument. I don't know. Because I obviously could be like, well, you said you didn't want it. Well, Dave, you ate the entire half of it. This cheesecake is$9. I ate$4.50 of it. Yeah. And you ate$4.50 of it. But you could be like, well, yeah, I didn't want it, but it was just sitting there. It's going to go to waste. Well, my argument is it's wasting it at that point. That's true. I know. I don't know. Your argument would be like, yeah, but I own it, and I can determine what I want to do with what I own. Exactly. And if I want to waste what I own. $4.50 of cheesecake.

37:20That's on me, my man. That's on me. Okay, let me ask you this. Yeah. What's an acceptable tip for terrible service?

37:28Jon McLaughlin:you know i will say i have never had such bad service that i was willing to go below 20 i have on numerous occasions i just my kind of rule is like it's 20 is where we start and most of the time it's where we end yep if tip if the service is amazing yeah then you go beyond that but i don't know that i've ever had well let me ask you this you waited tables at some point right technically no but i was okay i was a food runner at that's right roadhouse at texas which was the greatest job i've ever had you you save lives in the pools but so this is this what's interesting annie and i both waited tables for a few summers each yeah and i'm not saying that i'm not saying this i'm not just suddenly trying to you know big you or anything i do think if you've served it's an interesting it's an interesting dilemma because if you did a bad job as a server, you shouldn't get paid as much.

38:25And so I think what's hard for me is I'm kind of like, and I know I feel like I don't want to speak for any, but I assume she would say, cause she was an incredible waiter. I was a terrible waiter. She'd be like, if you did a bad job, like I don't deserve the money you're going to give me. So I'm not going to, and you need to learn. You can't do that. You need to do better than that. Like you did a bad job. So I'm just paying you what's appropriate to the job to give and let it be a lesson and get better and go get them, you know? And then maybe the good table to be 25%. I just think it's tricky because like, And I don't do it a lot, but if it's really, really, really bad, and I mean, I've done this, I mean, no more than 200 times, so it's not a lot, but honestly, maybe five times What is a lot?

39:03What is a lot is food and what is money. What is money? And what is money for food?

39:07Jon McLaughlin:Right. I mean, literally five or less times, so it's not like a lot. But when it's really been so egregiously bad that I'm like, there's no way you think you did a good job, and I'm not about to give you the money to say you did. Yeah. which is probably terrible. And let's define what makes a good and bad server. Because obviously I have tons of experience serving. I mean, my goodness, I've been doing it for 44 years. I just haven't served technically as a waiter in that capacity. But bad service would be you take the order, and then you don't see that table for 20 minutes, and you come back and the food's cold.

39:44I would say 90 % of it is the time. Yeah. It's like you order, and 40 minutes later they bring you the food. or they get everything wrong to such a grand scale that you're sending every plate back or they're really rude. Yeah, yeah. It's got to be, we're talking really extreme examples. But at that point, I'm like, no, man. That's not how this works. Yeah, I agree with that.

40:11Jon McLaughlin:I agree. Okay, let me ask you this. Do you tip at the front when you order a coffee? Because you order a lot of coffees. And they're like, okay, great. and they flipped the screen and all they did was you said I want a macchiato Americano Americano I do a quad shot quad shot espresso press up a little bit of steam milk Wilson of course I was gonna say but you know and they go okay flip the screen yeah you want to tip do you tip I do you do you're so nice I'm kind of I'm trying not to mmm I'm trying to tip in that scenario I'm trying to tip a little bit less. We have a mutual friend who we both love who is not from America natively.

40:53Jon McLaughlin:And he is like, guys, this is out of control. We don't do this back where he's from. He's like, no, I'm not going to tip. If they did something extra to warrant a tip in this scenario, then I'll tip. And I'm like, that's how it should be. I'm tipping out of guilt. When they swing that screen around it sometimes somehow becomes five times larger yeah they turn around the whole city everybody's looking everyone's like hey what's he gonna do and brazenly i don't tip i don't any of both and again this is maybe where we're a terrible couple but i just i can't tell you now let me say this as a business owner absolutely you put that on the screen i mean it's a genius move whoever came up with that five years ago yeah was like i mean i have zero problems out as a business owner i'm like i disagree with it intrinsically but yes you do that because 90 of the people feel guilt and shame yeah and they're gonna be like no tip and your homies are like bro we're cashing out yeah but i mean as a patron no no no i know and already the coffee sometimes i'll be with someone or there's enough people watching that i'll do it but 99 out of 100 times i don't do it yeah and i just brace for them looking at me being mad or whatever but i'm like no no this is yeah i didn't grow up that way younger generations that may be their normal you know my children have every right to tip in that scenario but i just didn't i wasn't raised like that yeah well we we didn't until whatever five six years ago that wasn't it was like you could tip a little extra you put cash in a jar yeah and it was a it was an extra thing yeah now it is it's just it's out of control it's And I mean, I would imagine waiters have to be kind of mad.

42:37They're doing, think about it this way. I've never thought about this. They're doing infinitely more work and getting paid the same as someone who's not even doing the work and getting paid. You know. Let's, waiters, rise up.

42:49Jon McLaughlin:Rise up. Now is the time. You know what? Amy and I were talking about this the other day because she went and got, I think it was her eyebrows done. She got some kind of facial eyebrow thing happening. And she was like, okay, the service is$100. And apparently that's a pretty good price. Yeah. But if that person's doing it in their garage like she was, you kind of go, okay, we're at a different level of service. And she doesn't even live there. So you got to go quick. It's really, but that's having the fun. But it's true. This person was, this is their business. They're not like an employee of some big corporation.

43:26Jon McLaughlin:This is their business. So she's like, I'm paying you$100. those eyebrow corporations that are taking over. She's not doing it. Yeah, but Amy is loyal to the mom and pop eyebrow people. But then she's expected to do a tip on top of that. And Amy's like, this doesn't make any sense. You're getting the money. Yeah. In the other situations, it's like, okay, this money is going to Cheesecake Factory corporate office. I'm going to pay you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Because Cheesecake Factory is paying you$2 an hour or whatever. This person who just did my eyebrows, they just made$100 in 30 minutes. And now I'm getting more money.

44:03Now I'm getting more. But it doesn't, it is, if I talk, I'm not kidding. If I talk about this long enough, I'll actually start to get mad. I think just because it is, it's the great fleecing of consumers in America. It really is. Because what's happened is every industry has gone, oh, we can tip now. And it's like, look, for, again, for younger generations, maybe that's what they grew up on. That's their thing to figure out. But I'm like, growing up as a 48-year-old man in America, tipping was for a certain thing. that sort of like had a context in a very certain industry. And that was it. Maybe every now and then, like if someone parked your car, whatever you do, that whole thing too.

44:39But I mean, really it was the restaurant industry. And now literally everybody has an option tip. And I just feel like it's so unfair because it really is. Either someone did such a phenomenal job doing something that you were like, the service was met and 100 % exceeded what I expected or it was done quicker or better or maybe less costly. Like you did it quick enough that I didn't have to pay what you quoted me or whatever. And then there's a tip. Any other thing, it's literally going, I'm expecting you to feel so bad that you'll pay me more money. Wouldn't you see that?

45:13Jon McLaughlin:You know, the irony is you use car valets as an example. They're probably the ones that have taken the most hit because nobody carries cash anymore. And a lot of times now they do have Venmo, but that little exchange at the car where you get the keys and you give them a$100 bill like I always used to do. That's why every valet is doing eyebrows. I mean, if you look at the industry, you'll see it. You'll see it. Without knowing, they'll park your car. Those are two industries that used to have no overlap. They can't help it. Right. There's lashes all over the floorboards. Which was my favorite Boyz Men lyric.

45:53Okay, let's keep moving. Okay, let me ask you this. this one makes me laugh so i'm gonna try the question makes me laugh this we're all over the place john we're just gonna keep moving can you adjust the thermostat in someone else's house

46:05Jon McLaughlin:never never i don't know i don't know unless they have instructed you that you can like if you're staying at our house and you're staying upstairs yes i would i would of course say to you i'll probably say it two or three times yeah hey and and like if it's too hot up here or whatever if you know adjust the thermostat whatever you i will tell you oh no let me ask you this let me ask you this you go to stay with somebody in a town and they're like good friends here they never say that they never say hey you're staying upstairs you're the only one up there that's a big deal because the kids are up there that's kind of a conversation yeah but they're like hey take the extra room and it's 78 degrees because a couple things could be happening there they could have forgotten that it's that hot upstairs because they never go up there.

46:55Jon McLaughlin:Yeah, that's a factor. That's a factor. Also, that's too hot to sleep for me. That's way, way, way too hot to sleep. Now, I know some people that's fine with that and they're all weird people and they should be dealt with. I'm sorry. I'm going to change the thermostat. And I don't really feel, I have no feelings about this. I think I would too. Right? That's kind of what I mean. So I guess I'm going back on my original. Well, let me say this. Now, let me tell you how dark and weird my brain works. and I kind of blame this on my dad because I think he'd do the same thing and all thermostat issues stem from your father all of them and that there stems from their father can that please be the name of this episode oh my gosh that's amazing but I think listen you can just very well but I think if if I was at a party and I don't care how wrong this is if I was at a party and it's a I don't know if I do this to someone's house I didn't know but I'd be really close and it was too hot there's 50 people in there and it's showing 80 degrees i really think i would change i think i would just walk over and be like this is for the good of everybody i think i would do it yeah i think i would i i don't think i would do it but i think if you you would leave without saying goodbye at that party i would just leave i would take the thermostat you would you don't care no i think if you if you had heard from a couple other attendees at the party like that's hot in here yeah by the third person then you're like all right this is something i'm doing a service for the greater good here i guess what i'm saying is i trust i trust

48:24enough to just make this but what if just to go what if you're the only one that feels that way everybody's hot everybody's hot and then i would just turn it down oh my gosh but i would do that you know all right let me say this one of the most you know what let me do this john can we do this let's let's we've got more of these let's just do a part two let's let our next yeah we got too many so so let me unless you have another one but i will i will tell you the story maybe that's how we land this plane one of the most infuriating vacations i've ever been on annie and i went to with the kandroses to montreat for fall break like probably a decade ago it was a decade ago because sam was still in a bassinet so this was maybe even 11 years ago No, gosh, he wasn't born then.

49:07I'm not great at math, but I'm fun. Right. I'm fun. Sure. No, this would have been because he's 10. So this would have been, let's say, eight years ago. Eight or nine years ago. Because I'm saying all to say he's in a bassinet because that's a big part of the story.

49:19Jon McLaughlin:You're not talking about his dance troupe? No, no. Oh, like the... I got you. Now I've got to talk about that and put up the website. No, so Sam's in a bassinet. We're all in one room. Because basically what we learned about this house was they had HVAC in one part of the house. because you know in the black mountain i'm letting you know i've heard this story anyway thank you guys for listening we'll see in the next episode and i'm literally getting mad as i'm telling the story so in the can dressers were kind enough to go our kids are a little older we'll sleep in the other part because it wasn't super hot we're just like hey i think it'd be helpful if we had ac and they were like it was so kind of them so they're like all good you stay in the kind of the room that's got the ac so they have a nest and again we have an infant and randomly it was like a hot, it was like a really hot fall break.

50:05And so the days were fine, but you know, it was like, it was getting in hot and stuff in the house that you couldn't just leave the windows open. So we go to bed the first night, I turn it down. I get up in the middle of the night and it is, and you know, we had one of those, um, monitors, uh, in the room, not because we need it, because I was just curious about the temperature and I look and it's like 77 and I'm like, so I go out and sure enough, it is at 77. And I'm like, so i turn it down again because i'm like i think one of the kids had woken up and was like get up the guy turns it up again and i was livid yeah i would be so then he locks us out of the nest so annie because i was i was literally so angry i thought i was gonna like give this so i was like you got a call because i'm gonna i'm gonna so i think she ended up calling just being like hey we've got a baby and he's like well we just don't really need it and we're like no we do need it and we're in the house so we have the right to use your you like when you say we do you mean the people sleeping here and i think he or she whatever was trying to be diplomatic well you know we it's really not hot and people rarely and it was like you don't get to make that decision

51:12Jon McLaughlin:you have rented your home to us and i mean once you rent the home you have relinquished but it was i think we i can't any would remember i think we had like a couple more hours where it was kind of a tit for tat and finally he relinquished control but i it was i was livid yeah i would have been the same way right yeah that's too far that's too far that's too far well now you're all hot and bothered again i know now i'm gonna have to go run around and like work off all this energy or just break into andrew's shed and look at really cool tools that always calls me we got to do a part two on this we have so many more there's so many more guys thanks for listening And let's just remind you once again at the end, because we're great entrepreneurs, there are Christmas shows.

51:53Go get those Christmas tickets.

51:55Jon McLaughlin:Let's, hey, let's turn up the thermostat on Christmas this year. I even have a Christmas single that's going to be coming out soon. Dave, when? Why didn't I start with that? You took this long to tell us? I don't know when, John. I don't know when. Christmas time. We'll talk about that more when it's time. Christmas is when it'll be out. It'll be out sometime. Anyway, much love, everybody. More etiquette to come soon. In the meantime, stay dry. Don't tip as much as you need to. Stay dry. Fix stuff on your own. Turn down the thermometer if you need to. You know, just actually don't. And just, you know, don't tell that story again.

52:23Jon McLaughlin:That friend. That friend. That film.

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Welcome back to Dadville! In this episode, we’re balancing a little benevolent self-promotion with essential dad business. First up, we share our upcoming Christmas tour dates—from Jon’s live debut in Hoover, Alabama to Dave’s return to the Schermerhorn in Nashville.

Next, 44-year-old Jon details wielding a new $10 drywall saw to carve out a 6-foot hole in his wall, fix a leaking PVC pipe with IKEA kids' table scraps, and disassemble his dryer using neighbor Andrew’s borrowed multimeter. Then, we officially convene "Etiquette Court" to rule on life's burning social dilemmas.

We debate whether it's okay to ghost a party, why swiping phone photos leads to unwanted rash pictures, the glory of 2x-speed voice memos, splitting checks when you only drink "horse tea", and why touching another man’s thermostat is an absolute crime. Grab your tools, check your manners, and enjoy the show!

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