Sara Watkins’ Urgent Advice for Balancing Art and Family

32:45Well, it's depressing if it's not this moment, right? Because it's like the lead had already peaked.

32:51Jon McLaughlin:It was 19.

32:54Jon McLaughlin:Let me rephrase it. Let me rephrase it. It doesn't have to be the most impressive. I think what I loved about her saying this at the dentist's office is that often is not something that we allow ourselves to feel, you know, which is why I love that she not only she felt it, but she said it. And it was not in a bragging kind of arrogant way at all. It was just in a sort of like celebratory way. Realization. So not the most impressive, but what's a moment where you felt that? The first thing that came to my head was when I got to be, when I got to open for and be in Jackson Brown's band on tour.

33:42When it was, I was pregnant when that happened. It was 2016, I think. Well, there were several tours that I got to be on, but they were all around 2016 and 17, I guess. And I loved that tour. It was one of those examples where I get to just be a side person. But I'm hearing these songs every night. You know, he was doing these shows where Sean and I were both on this tour with our friend Tyler Chester. We would open the show and then be in his band all night. And we didn't know what the set list would be. He would maybe start with a couple songs by himself. We would probably end with one or two common songs.

34:34But the whole center part of the set was, he was just calling audibles. Really? Because the audience would just be yelling requests at him. which sometimes it seemed like he liked it and other times it felt aggressive yeah I learned a lot and of the things that he was willing to play and and then he would occasionally try things that we didn't know and he was fine with the natural way that people would kind of fall in, fall out but But he would play, like, I remember there was this, like, four dancer that he would do. And I just remember, like, it was a long time before I would feel like playing.

35:24And so I would just kind of sit on the ground on the stage and listen to these songs. A lot of his songs have, they're sort of, like, through composed where, you know, each verse will be different. the bridge, there'll be a bridge, there'll be more verses, another bridge, and then a new part at the end. And they really develop lyrically and musically. And if there was a song that I wasn't supposed to play on, I would just walk off and sit on the side of the stage and listen. And so these lyrics would just sink in. And so many times I would just be sitting on the side of the stage hearing the third verse of something, you know, like for the first time.

36:08and putting together, you know, the connection between this first verse lyric and where he was bringing it in the end. And, you know, after weeks on tour, I would be doing these things. And I remember feeling like that was a very, very cool moment in my life. And not for nothing, I'm really happy with things right now. Like, I have a healthy family. I'm learning how to adult in ways that I have not learned how to adult yet

36:41Jon McLaughlin:You're finding plants in trash cans I mean it's just Guys It's really coming around Just like you dreamed in a lot of ways I can't imagine with a tour like that especially I mean to me it would be just such a tutorial I mean, you're sitting with one of the masters every night hearing his catalog. And I can't imagine just what osmotically that experience would be like, you know, much less playing along. You know, just to sit there and hear these songs. I mean, one of the kind of the architects of the singer-songwriter world, you know, would be unbelievable, you know? Yeah, it really was. It was a really special experience.

37:32And yeah, I'll never forget it.

37:37He's just such a presence in Los Angeles too. He goes to shows, sits in the audience. He loves seeing new songwriters come up. He'll talk to you about your songs. Wow. He'll do family hours. and he likes to say that we'll just tell him what to sing, like a sign, like, hey, learn this Levin Brothers song. It's only happened a couple of times, but he'll say, like, you know, what do you want me to play? And then he'll learn stuff and he'll just kind of participate and hang. And he's such a great example of how to be involved in, you know, and as someone who's had so many stages of career and he's um he's put out so many records and he's still present and engaged in the community and that's the dream that's it yeah what what yeah it's really something to aspire to yes yeah perfectly said okay so you kind of spoke to you know you talked about your daughter earlier and uh which i love because one of the things i wanted to ask was about your relationship to music which i thought you already did in such a beautiful way and and uh i think a lot of parents that are artists feel that where you're just like man this isn't the main thing and and you know as you're talking i was thinking i know for me it just felt like um where my career carried a lot of weight you know it was like it was something you just put a lot of time into a lot of your identity into you start having kids and all of a sudden that weight really shifts and then music can just be this wonderful thing again and it doesn't feel not that it doesn't carry weight but it doesn't like it used to and and uh and i I love that you said that.

39:21Question I had, I mean, this is kind of an obvious question, but I want to ask it. Like how, when you think about your daughter, how do you, because you started so young. I mean, you were, you know, rocking the mic at four, as we've learned with the dark, depressing songs. You were emo before that was even cool is what we're learning. Like how do you think, knowing your experience and your daughter, like is that something where, because I think I saw where she's taken or she took guitar at some point. And, you know, is that something where you're like, look, this has been so important to me. I really want you to do it.

39:57Is it like, hey, you figure it out or is it a mix? I mean, just knowing what you're knowing as a mom, how are you bringing that into a relationship with her? Well, she already quit fiddle. So...

40:11Jon McLaughlin:Okay, run us through sort of the arc of that. What a great way to start that answer. It was a very short arc. it started with her saying like i think i want to play fiddle and i was like great and i did all i was like went to the store right rented the violin found the teacher like two weeks later she's in a class with this teacher who's really great but a different style of relationship with the instrument like suzuki yeah um sometimes there can be a lot of uh great foundational work on on form and and not um and i think it did not you might spend like months before putting the bow on the string you're just working on technique and all that and um that can be really good for some kids but my kid is used to having instruments around that that anyone can pick up and play and strum and it think it was a it didn't relate to her so um that was short-lived but And it turns out she didn't really want to do it.

41:12She just like mentioned it and I jumped in. But at some point I realized like, you know, regardless of if she, you know, leads the way or not, I think it's important to play an instrument, just like it's important to learn your time stables. and it's important to learn how to cook a meal and it's important. It's good for brain development. It makes you a well-rounded person. You should know how to, you know, how to, I think it's helpful. A helpful way to listen to music is to partake in music. Wow, I love that. And it'll make you a better audience member if you learn a little bit about it. Love that, love that.

41:55um and it's good for your brain so we do it because it's good for our brain even when it's not the thing that we are inspired to do and um so much of our life we can do out of inspiration but there's some stuff that we just do and so i'm like there's you know it's not it's something she doesn't always want to do but we don't always want to brush our teeth either and that's good for us so here we go so what is the and i don't expect her to be a performer or anything it's it's truly just like another class subject in school yeah so she's playing guitar now yeah that's the that's the instrument and what what's the what is the daily great teacher sort

42:41Jon McLaughlin:of schedule look like because this is something i think about a lot with my two girls and piano And I want them, I really, really want them, I don't care if they want to do music as a profession. I have honestly mixed feelings about that, but I just want them to have music as a thing, as a like, I can't imagine my life without music. So I just want them to have that. And I haven't signed them up for lessons yet. I also at the same time swore that I would not be their teacher and so we've kind of been in this middle ground where I show them how to play something that when they ask me when they're like I like this song how do I play it I'll show them things like that but I've been scared to get them signed up for lessons because I'm afraid that's when it'll all fall apart and they'll be like no it's on the calendar I don't want to do it even though I agree with what you're saying it's like sometimes we don't want to brush our teeth you gotta brush you gotta know how to you know have yeah i mean there's i i don't think there's any there's no no um one way to to approach this um but i think for our family it it made sense just to do either like a weekly lesson great teacher who teaches sheet sheet music and also um learning individual notes as well as chords singing along with it and um and notes and just like you know basic basic uh music function and she can choose songs so like she wanted to learn a song from hadestown this musical because she was into it so the teacher learned how to teach it to her and it was great and you know mostly there's we just work out of a book and do the stuff that we have to that we're supposed to do and sometimes it takes 10 minutes and sometimes it takes 30 but um uh she's when she did a little busking at the newport folk festival really yeah and raked it in guys like i can't you know that these people at the newport folk festival are carrying around like only 20s and fifties.

45:02So they, she and her friend raked in like, Oh, like$120 to split. And, um, and that, that was an interesting moment for her because she was like, Oh, okay. Interesting. So bringing joy to people was not the motivator, but, um, busking this, now we're talking. Yeah. That, So with her, I'm so curious. I love asking professional musicians and artists this. Music that you listen to, do you find that when y 'all are driving to school or driving wherever together, do you feel or have a passion for sort of like, okay, honey, check this out. This is a thing. And then I guess, have you seen her gravitate toward a certain type of music?

45:55Well, right now, she's a big musicals kid. and when she goes when she goes in she goes deep so um so we're in our hamilton face right now um but yeah there there are these songs we you know we have our little playlist uh or that she'll add things to um and uh one interesting thing is i was part of a neil young tribute show and one of the songs that i was playing along with was ohio uh but it was katie cruitt's version and i haven't told this to katie yet but um what a singer by the way sam really loved she loved specifically that version of ohio so she'll just sing you know four dead in ohio like uh and she she sings along you know uh in the back seat and that that is a song that she calls for more than more than the average if we're following uh i know we're right in your lives we're really there's a young sarah that wants to sing don't think i didn't notice then yeah is there music like if you have a like what are the couple of records that um that you're like you know either when she got to the age you're like all right now it's time to finally listen to this do you did you have like a couple of those you're like it is so important that at some point even if it's in the background i want you to hear this album or these couple of albums or this artist or artists yeah well i mean there's there's um i keep i keep finding that like like it's it's been really nice yeah that's great to think about to to like revisit these like paul simon and like uh linda ronstadt was a really big one for me um the mcgarigle sisters like these they're these great you know beautiful old folk records that i internalized to the point that i you know i might not ever listen to them again yeah yeah because i just feel like i know um not necessarily even those artists but you know um but some classic classic records um and

48:11And I find myself kind of, you know, thinking about them, being like, oh, right, she needs to hear this record that, or like this, golly, I'm just like blanking right now. But, you know, she needs to hear this like Roy Orbison record or this whatever record that I want to have least played for her. and um to counteract some of the other crap that she do you feel an onus with like blue that way i have been uh i kind of have been um regretting that i didn't brainwash her more thoroughly into bluegrass yeah i thought i think i thought the brainwashing phase would last a little longer and it really just it's quick you won't you don't have you don't have as much You really don't.

49:03That's so true. You have to really indoctrinate them. It is so true. You've got to start early. It's amazing how quickly. I've never heard someone say that articulately, but the window is so short. Like when you can actually be like, this is what they're listening to, and they're like, this is cool, to when suddenly they have an opinion is so small. Yeah, like where they're actually, the age where she started really ingesting things and then rejecting them was very small.

49:35yeah she's like crossing her arms like mom i'm not into this you're like well i find yeah anecdotally can we can we like you know do a song swap oh yeah each choose a song oh i like that move that's a pro move it's it's fun yeah that's her way of getting out of it but yeah i'm a i'm a big um i'm a i can only do that for so long i can only if it's not being if it's not a thoughtfully pure procured playlist of people taking turns playing songs it's really hard for me to just bounce around and ricochet and i get exhausted yeah i would much rather listen to um a full album of something that's that i'm not into then like wow a bounce between three different people's taste for you know 30 minutes it's a lot it's a lot that we we the struggle when we get in the car i mean it's i love it i love it so much because they love music i feel like that's the one thing i really wanted to make sure that they did is if nothing else that they love it which is great but man it drives me batty when we get in the car to drive to school in the morning and it's like okay dad dad because i've got three and they'll know this this let's do that and i'm like guys i'm gonna and so then i get and then this is the worst and i've had to confess this on this podcast for but i will just be like the other day my son pulled up a song and I was like I can't listen that again and he was like what I was like I can't I can't I love you and that's a great I can't do it again we listened to it this morning twice blame it on my occupation I just can't do it it's too much for me and they've just gotten used to me it's like it's too much it's too much to me time

51:14Jon McLaughlin:you know so I wanted to ask as a mom what would you say your daughter is 8 now so what would you say is the biggest difference like if you you know took a time machine back to 2021 let's say when she's around three what do you think would be the the starkest difference between you five years ago as a mom versus you right now

51:49i don't know i feel like i'm pretty consistent um i don't i really don't know what what the what the difference would be um yeah i i don't think i can answer that question um i may maybe i um i think i've maybe gotten through some of the um lay down the law kind of era where the boundaries are being set and now I'm noticing that like, oh, right. I don't have to be that person as much. I can, I can kind of just like, I can be sillier in certain ways. My husband's very silly. And so I think I have to sometimes be the serious one, which is my default moment. I'm very, I'm a much more serious person in general, but, but it's fun to kind of realize It's like, okay, we don't have any huge behavioral issues right now.

52:53If we can kind of take the foot off that gas pedal and just kind of enjoy this coasting until something shows up.

53:03At which point we lock the doors and we lock the gates and we're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. Okay, I have – That's not how this is going. Yeah, that's right. That's right. you're in a trust tree by the way it's a safe space you can say that because we all can relate to it okay one more nerdy question before we get into the speed round which buckle up because it is it's bonanza it's just a bonanza I thought you were going to say buckle up because it is slow well it never is fast by the way just so you feel freedom okay one more nerdy question I meant to ask earlier that I wanted to ask you so with y 'all's self-titled record when it came out to me it felt like I had just moved to Nashville while I graduated from college and I'd just gotten here.

53:49One, everybody that I knew had that record. Like it was amazing to see how everybody liked it. I feel like I listened to that record so many times. I loved it. And I'm just curious as you guys, and again, I meant to ask this earlier, but I didn't want to let it pass. As you guys are in that season, you've made the records coming out. Was there a moment where you were like Where you guys collectively Or even just yourself were like Man this is really like connecting You know in a way that again I don't And you can correct me But in my life I can't think of another Bluegrass record that's done that A brother would be that But you guys were before that And so I think a lot of people would argue You guys might have said Well no We weren't Well we were A band before that But our first record came out alongside it oh it did and allison we were not a part of a brother we're at that but we completely benefited from this huge so it was a part of that okay because allison cross produced our record she was a huge part of a brother and we were mentioned in many articles that as a long as just kind of like that was going well a part of this bluegrass thing and almost like we were a part of it so we we really benefited from the time and place this is a let me explain this explain this because i know they're not the same but i was watching the thing on nirvana and that first track there you know the the first one that was the major label record but i loved hearing um hearing uh them talk about that like it was just pacing it was outpacing them so much that they would book venues and get there and there'd be like two lines around the block for an already sold out show at a 500 person room or something because the record was just so quickly and I know that's a different thing except to say to me it sort of felt like on a smaller version it sort of felt like that with y 'all in the sense that it comes out it's on cmt all the time but it's like it just in nashville it was like everybody knew it every time y 'all came within shooting distance of here I had a million friends driving shows and it just felt like for if you'd seen on paper like it's this you know bluegrass band they're young this record is going to be a monster in that world especially i mean were you guys feeling that you know were you were you kind of clocking like man i mean maybe i i like it's funny to hear you describe it like that because i don't remember it at all like that but i think um we were excited like there was momentum but it was also new to us that yeah we we were also like learning like our first tour bus experience was so funny and laughable and we were just so naive and and we were just kids yeah we were like kids who had done nothing and we except for play music and so i mean we it was very fun but it didn't i was driving this car that um i rented a house with two of my girlfriends in hillsborough village that i never lived in all the time but we were going through town so much that it was way cheaper to rent this room,$900 rent for three bedrooms split three ways.

57:04And I had a car out there and a bike. I had my Nissan Sentra driven out there for$800. And I just had a car in Nashville for like 10 years and all my friends would drive it. Like when I wasn't in town, like my friends would drive it, leave it somewhere. Like, like it was, it was so wild. And at one point, like, I remember like the hubcaps were off and my friend jenny and uh luke bull's sister actually like my friend jenny was like i pulled up to fido one day which was the only coffee shop besides bongo java and um and like you know the hubcaps are off and she was like i love how you're like just driving around in this trashy car i'm like what do you mean this is this is my car like i and she she she at that point was like you guys have like a big record or something and i was like what i don't understand Like, what are you talking about?

57:53This is just a dumb car that I'm driving because I'm in Nashville and this is what I do. And it was, that was a moment where I was aware that there was a perception that was different from my perception. Yes, yes. But I mean, it is all just this like little tiny bluegrass world. The other benefit that we had besides Oh Brother, We're Out Thou was CMT did play our videos like crazy. This guy, Chris, was in charge of it. I wish I could remember his last name, but he was basically single-handedly responsible for our career because he would play our videos all the time. And he was in charge of programming and he was nice and he wanted to do different things.

58:33And it was really, really cool. So we benefited from that. And I remember at one point we had to kind of separate ourselves from the country radio promo because the audience was a different culture where they would come wanting to talk and hear the one song that they knew, which is much more like a radio audience experience. But we weren't used to that. We were used to playing like 300, 400 seat rooms where the audience is quiet. And we took, as I said, ourselves very seriously. We want to be listened to. So these audiences were like clashing and half the audience wanted to listen and half the audience wanted to talk and have a social time.

59:15And so at one point we had to deliberately walk away from any radio obligations. If we did that dance that played the radio thing, we would be having an audience experience that we weren't into just because of the volume of conversation. So we walked away from that at some point and, and it became a really cool, like a very special relationship that we're still amazed that, you know, we did a show, we did a tour two years ago, three years ago for our most recent record Celebrant. And, and talked to a lot of people who, you know, have been listening to us all this time. And it's, it's, it's wild.

1:00:03It's such a privilege. Well, again, I think the thing that at least how I perceived it is it feels like you could put together three young bluegrass players. You could do 100 iterations of that. And I just don't think any of them would have the success that you guys had so quickly. And so I think you guys were just so good. And it was such a cool, weird moment in time that from CMT to y 'all's innate giftedness to Allison to other, It just felt like this really unique moment in music where it was like this genre kind of pokes through into the mainstream. And everybody, again, that I knew really embraced it.

1:00:42It wasn't a, I don't think it was, some of it might have been the novelty. But some of my, you know, sort of like nerdiest music friends loved it to people who just kind of loved music. And it was just fun to see that at that time. and be like how cool this little moment in music where it's like this really gifted group of people doing this music that's not really seen as a broad you know reaching music is doing it you know and it was just fun to sort of from the sidelines go isn't this cool you know i mean playing the rhyme and it's just you know it's so cool to see that you know and like the it gave us it again did i go back to this community because you know the the band that i'm touring in right now like just put the record Wild and Clear and Blew Out.

1:01:26And then, you know, we toured all last year and we're going to be touring again this summer. I'm with her, with Sarah Gerose and Aoife O'Donovan. I met them at festivals around that time too. I met Aoife at the Philadelphia Folk Festival when I was 18 and she was in the Wayfaring Strangers, which is a group out of Boston. And I met Sarah Gerose, she was nine years old and just playing mandolin at this festival at Dripping Springs, Texas. and you know we met her at a like a a little picnic table in the middle of the festival grounds and we would see her over the years that when we went to Texas she would she and her parents Gary and Mary would show up and and she and Chris would would play mandolin together and um and then to see you know become friends with with them over the years um Aoife and I are closer in age so I would see her at parties and then Sarah Drew was just admiring her career and her songwriting and her incredible presence.

1:02:27And then, you know, then become into this band with them and share so much life and so much of our family and worlds with each other in a way that is so rare to do as an adult. you know, find people that you dive so deeply in with and have this other familial experience. It's an incredible privilege. And I mean, all credit to the culture of bluegrass and folk music that invites people to, you know, intertwine their lives and, you know, sing together and play together and come together in an unfussy way and find your commonalities and invite people to, you know, to learn things that are new and grow together that way.

1:03:25because it's just been everything to me. Yeah, so well said.

1:03:31Jon McLaughlin:Okay, it's time, Sarah. It's time. Okay, I'm ready. Here we go. I'm going to kick us off. You performed with a lot, and I know you can't see our script, but LOT is in all caps. That's a lot. That's a lot of amazing artists and musicians. Is there someone that you want to play with that you have not played with, present company included? yeah sorry excluded included yeah don't say us because i know you're gonna shoot that changes everything that changes the answer um is there somebody that i want to play with who i haven't played with yes there are but i um i i wouldn't even know where to start with that list and i almost feel like mentioning them would jinx it um that's what you can truly truly truly the people who i um a lot of the most meaningful collaborations have been with people who are not famous and and not known by anybody you just you know have a incredibly meaningful moment with some random you know trumpeter on stage and yeah and And that's, you know, you can live on that for days.

1:04:44Jon McLaughlin:Yeah. So I would say I would love to be around Mavis Staples more. Oh, man. Yeah. Okay. So I'll put that. And, yeah, and Bonnie, right? Oh, my gosh. She's the goat to me. She's in the, yeah, that's rare air. Okay, we love, this is one of our, this is like a dadville. Is that fast enough for you? You're killing it. You're doing great. usually John's still reading the first question so what is we love asking this question, this is such a selfish question but because you are in our industry too what is your worst live moment and what we mean by that is the disastrous moments on stage that are so great make for great stories I want you to say I've never had one so bad right now you know Dave, I've never had one I don't know what you guys are talking about.

1:05:40Oh, is it hard for you? I think, I mean, there's a moment that I don't remember because it was the first time I ever had moonshine and I literally don't remember it. That's embarrassing for me. I was like, you know, 22 years old at a festival and I don't, it's just, I regret. But yeah, so I'll say that one. did you play or like yeah i was on stage playing and i'm just like i don't know how that song ended yeah not cool which the music is not like it's not like you're getting up there playing three chords yeah yeah yeah that's not no i was just yeah but but i you know i was just really excited to be sure uh in a room full of my favorite people and i have a hard time uh if there's a cup in my hand i have a hard time not just partaking and i just did not know what i was doing i think i was older than 22 because i didn't really start drinking until a little bit later but

1:06:45Jon McLaughlin:um yeah that would be it no okay uh best best live moment which i'm sure it's impossible to pick but is there a standout moment uh the thing that's coming to mind right now there are many standout moments the thing i'm going to say right now was is is when we were at the telluride bluegrass festival last june i'm with her we were playing a song called wild and clear and blue which is uh largely it was the first thing we wrote for this last record and it was largely inspired um by um the passing of nancy griffith and john prine um and but specifically not by their passing but by their music that affected us.

1:07:33And it's about when you're a kid, how you absorb these songs. And we wanted the song to be very literal and like, you know, the windshield wipers, the way it hits the music that everybody, you know, kind of finds these beautiful serendipitous moments. And we were at Telluride, our parents were there, which like makes us cry anyway. And then we're singing this song about growing up, listening to music with them and asking our parents, like, what lyrics mean and like, what, you know, tell me about this kind of thing.

1:08:09and this dog, Craig Ferguson, who runs that festival, he had his dog running around. And we were singing this last verse about John Prine and it references paradise and these lyrics sinking in. And the dog comes up and he stands in the front of the stage, this big festival stage, and he goes right to the middle and he just stands there and he looks at us and he looks at the audience in this beautiful box canyon surrounded by mountains and he just stands there for like 20 seconds and then finally you know our tour manager beckons him off stage and uh if i was just like that's john prine and it was it was just like it sounds silly to talk about it and and it sounds like just you know cartoonish i'm sure but in the moment it was just this very um this very like um just magical moment of serendipity and connection and uh with our families there at tell you right this you know beautiful magical place it was a very special uh john who we all knew and loved and um it was really special so i'll say that was a great live moment i love that uh okay last question um If you wrote a book on being a mother, what would it be called?

1:09:38Oh, golly.

1:09:53I've never thought about this, Julie. I put out a children's record During the pandemic Full of songs that I grew up with That I love A lot of Disney songs on there Pure Imagination Some cowboy songs And I wrote an instrumental And one vocal on that record And it's called Night Singing So I think I would call it Night Singing Sarah, you're the best Thank you so much for hanging Anything the people need to hear about you guys are doing? I know the record you just said is out. Is there anything? Summer, you said y 'all are touring. Yeah, we just put out a live record from the touring from last year.

1:10:36And we're really, really proud of it. I'm so glad that we found this collection of songs and performances. And we'll be out touring this summer. And then we'll do a bunch of dates with Brandi Carlile in the fall. but mostly it's some other festivals and headlining. And it's going to be really special. I love being in this band. I love touring in this band. And it's a good time. So hopefully we'll see people out there. Well, thank you so much for hanging. This was great. Yeah, we'll see you out there. Thank you, guys. Bye.

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