


The Cuban Missile Crisis (Oct 1962), arguing the standard “JFK vs Khrushchev master plan” story is false. The episode portrays it as a chaotic, luck-dependent near-miss driven by misjudgments, poor intelligence, and dangerous incidents at sea and in the air.
No guests are identified in the provided transcript (the host mentions interviewing historian Serhii Plokhy, but no guest bio is given).
Both superpowers “lost control” of events on the ground; Khrushchev misread how a constitutional democracy would respond; JFK faced domestic and military pressure and used a quarantine to buy time; escalation came from rogue or unauthorized actions (e.g., Soviet officers firing SAMs, submarine nuclear-torpedo launch debates); the crisis peaked during 27 Oct with multiple simultaneous triggers.
U-2 pilot Major Richard Heiser’s U-2 shot down; Soviet MiG intercept orders; DEFCON 2; Khrushchev’s two conflicting messages (letter vs Radio Moscow broadcast); B-59 submarine near-nuclear torpedo readiness involving Captain Savitsky and officer Vasily Arkhipov; RFK’s secret diplomacy with Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin.
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An introduction to the Cuban Missile Crisis and its historical significance.
“30 seconds away from total nuclear annihilation.”
Discussion of the geopolitical tensions and flashpoints during the Cold War.
“the terrifying reality of the Cuban Missile Crisis.”
Exploration of Fidel Castro's rise to power and Cuba's role in the Cold War.
“In the Middle East, American-backed Israel fought wars against its Soviet-backed neighbours.”
Analysis of Soviet missile capabilities and the strategic implications.
“understandably I suppose, paranoid about direct American military invasion, about regime change, about losing their own lives, them being shackled, shot against a wall, taken to America for trial.”
Examination of Khrushchev's decisions during the crisis and their consequences.
“energy released by one million tons of conventional high explosives of TNT, one million.”
Explore Khrushchev's strategy and misjudgments during the Crisis.
“His decisions in this crisis went largely unchallenged by his hand-picked Politburo.”
Detailed account of the U-2 flight that revealed missile sites in Cuba.
“Major Richard Heiser clambered into a Lockheed U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft in Edwards Air Force Base in California.”
Learn about the American response during the Cuban Missile Crisis and the political pressures JFK faced.
“The Americans clearly were thinking very kinetically, very aggressively, they were not going to lie down and take this.”
Discover how Kennedy's quarantine strategy aimed to buy time and prevent war.
“The rest of the world discovered in an absolute shalt what was going on.”
Explore the dangerous low-level reconnaissance flights and their implications during the crisis.
“the naval quarantine officially took effect in the waters of Cuba.”
Understand Khrushchev's recognition of miscalculation and how he sought to de-escalate the situation.
“The French doubted the veracity of the CIA reconnaissance photos.”
Realize the gravity of the situation with the U.S. reaching DEFCON 2 during the crisis.
“And this was not helped by communications.”
Learn how communication issues exacerbated tensions between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
“But, and here's a very interesting thing here, the Soviet nuclear forces, again, we now know they did not change their posture.”
Learn about the critical moment when a U-2 pilot was shot down and the implications for the Cuban Missile Crisis.
“He was the strategic recce wing's top U-2 pilot.”
Discover the tense situation aboard the Soviet submarine during the crisis and the fears of nuclear conflict.
“this certainly felt like it could be the first of many, many millions.”
Explore the moment when a Soviet captain almost launched a nuclear torpedo against the US fleet.
“The air was now saturated with carbon dioxide and methane.”
Understand JFK's struggle with military advisors and the looming threat of war during the crisis.
“The commanding officer, the executive officer and the political officer, there was a KGB officer on board as well.”
Learn about the heightened tensions and critical decisions made during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
“as the president is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power.”
Discover the secret negotiations that led to the resolution of the crisis and their implications.
“He said, the Soviet government has issued a new order on the dismantling of the weapons which you describe as offensive and their creating and return to the Soviet Union.”
Examine how narratives around the Cuban Missile Crisis have been shaped and their historical accuracy.
“He posthumously published 13 Days and in that book he painted JFK in his inner circle as enlightened, flawless crisis managers who stared down the military and forced a neat Soviet climb down.”
Analyze the personal fears that influenced Kennedy and Khrushchev's decisions and their broader implications.
“the largest device ever detonated by humans up to today.”
Explore the ongoing implications of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the lessons that remain relevant today.
“It lures us onto the razor-sharp rocks of conflict where the only certainty is blood and destruction.”

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4:09It all happened in the Western Atlantic on the approaches to the island of Cuba. Now, there's a mythologised myth about the Cuban Missile Crisis. A wise young president, JFK, handsome chap, armed with a history book on the outbreak of World War I, staring down the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in a masterclass of calculated diplomacy. But in recent years, groundbreaking new research has revealed that that traditional narrative is a fabrication. The truth is far, far more terrifying. This was not a finely choreographed ballet of grand strategy. It was a blind scramble in a dark room. Both leaders, American and Soviet, pretty much lost control of what was happening on the ground, on the sea, or under it.
5:07From rogue Soviet commanders shooting down American aircraft against orders, to a crew trapped inside a depth-charged submarine debating the launch of a nuclear torpedo. humanity survived by a good dose of luck and by some common sense where it was needed most. So brace yourself folks because today I'm going to talk you through the terrifying reality of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
5:41It's 1962. The United States and the Soviet Union are locked in an intense ideological, strategic, military competition. A standoff. They're two superpowers, the likes of which the world's never seen before, armed with weapons of unimaginable power. They've got diametrically opposed worldviews. And for the rest of us, nearly all the rest of the world, are being centrifugally sucked into this power struggle until that rivalry is truly globalised. Their respective allies, their clients, are clashing from Southeast Asia to Berlin to Africa to South and Central America. Flashpoints are multiplying across the world.
6:33Berlin, for example, was a city divided down the middle by these two armed camps. In 1961, you get a concrete and barbed wire barrier, a wall smashed through the middle of the city, a very real wall but also a metaphorical divide between those two worlds, East and West, Communist and Capital. West Berlin. Now a little pinprick of Western life surrounded by a sea of communism was terribly vulnerable. The threat of a Soviet blockade or a military move against West Berlin haunted policymakers in Washington and elsewhere. Because that was the lowest hanging fruit. That's where everyone assumed the great next clash would start.
7:19Where East and West were eyeballing each other over the most fragile of front lines. That's where people expected the Cold War would go hot. But they were wrong. There were plenty of other places where that fuse could be lit as well. In the Middle East, American-backed Israel fought wars against its Soviet-backed neighbours. And those promised to spiral out of control and suck in the great powers. Just as that terrible occasion in 1914, when the Archduke's assassination in Sarajevo had spread monstrous violence far beyond the confines of Austria-Hungary and Serbia. There had been Korea, where Soviet jets had sparred with American fighters above that mountainous peninsula.
8:04And then there was Cuba, a place where the charismatic revolutionary Fidel Castro had landed on that Caribbean island in 1959 with just a handful of men. And bizarrely, the whole rotten superstructure of the state had collapsed, Castro had seized power. He'd confiscated American-owned factories and businesses. He'd made powerful enemies. And he needed a powerful friend. Moscow offered money, trade, legitimacy, armed support. So now Cuba, which for the Americans is in their backyard, a place where the Americans have invaded and intervened several times over the last half century, and I'd come to think of it as well within their sphere of influence.
8:48well suddenly Cuba is rolling out the red carpet for the American sworn enemy. It's now a Soviet foothold in America's backyard. Just after Castro seizes power in 1961, the US sponsored an invasion of Cuba, the so-called Bay of Pigs fiasco. It achieved absolutely nothing except it totally poisoned the very idea, the image of the USA in the mind of Castro and his ruling elite. The Cuban regime were now, understandably I suppose, paranoid about direct American military invasion, about regime change, about losing their own lives, them being shackled, shot against a wall, taken to America for trial.
9:35Castro had a big shopping list from his new Soviet friends. He wanted a shield, he wanted protection. He wanted guarantees. The Soviets themselves, well, they wanted to catch a break. They were dangerously behind the USA in the madness that was the ballistics weapons race of the 1960s. The Soviets had hundreds of nuclear weapons, but their main delivery system was a bomber, an aircraft, specifically the Tupolev Tu-95, the Russian Bear. Now, this monstrous aircraft would fly on what was probably going to be a one-way trip to rain down nuclear weapons on the United States of America. But conceivably, those bears could be intercepted.
10:16They could be shot down. The Americans might be able to protect the homeland. And so the Soviets had also developed an operational intercontinental ballistic missile. Their version, in fact, had come on stream in 1960. They were the vast rockets at the Plezet Cosmodrome, a spaceport near Archangel in the very north of Russia. Now, unlike planes flying over the Arctic to strike at the US, these were unstoppable. These ballistic missiles travelled at 8 ,000 metres per second. They could strike anywhere in the USA, but they were new. They were glitchy. Now, fascinating, one of the reasons that the Soviets and the Americans launched so many missions into space in these years, sending unfortunate dogs and guinea pigs and whatever else into orbit, was actually because they wanted to show the other side that their nuclear-capable ballistic missiles worked.
11:14The Soviets, though, only had a few dozen of these missiles, and they were unreliable. They did have, much more reliable, and they had hundreds of them, medium-range ballistic missiles. These were pretty useful. They could turn Alaska, they could turn Britain, they could turn Canada into glass. But they couldn't get far enough to hit the lower 48 states from their bases in northern Russia. In the terrifying event of war, these missiles would carry a hydrogen warhead, a hydrogen bomb, a thermonuclear weapon with a one megaton warhead. A megaton is the explosive energy released by one million tons of conventional high explosives of TNT, one million.
11:58By comparison, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 0.015 of a megaton. So we are talking many, many times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. When I was researching this story, I was just so struck at just how fast history was coming to you in this period. 1957, the Soviets put Sputnik, the first satellite, into orbit. April 1961, just a couple of years later, really, four years later, Gagarin becomes the first man in space. Now, he is sat atop a variant of the R-7 Semyorka, which is this enormous rocket that powers these intercontinental ballistic missiles. It's all happening at this time. It's all moving fast.
12:43As Gagarin goes into space, the Americans are taking countermeasures. They are moving rockets around too, but on the surface of the Earth. In the early 1960s, the Americans really put pressure on the Soviets. They put their intermediate ballistic missiles on the very borders of the Soviet Union. In 1961, the Americans placed medium-range Jupiter ballistic missiles in Turkey. Now, these could easily travel the thousand miles to Moscow. They are an unstoppable dagger pointed at the heart of the USSR. So, the Soviets are thinking, could Cuba be the counterbalance here? The Americans had pushed their nukes to the border of the Soviet Union.
13:28Why shouldn't the Soviets do the same? So thought Nikita Khrushchev, the boss, the first secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Soviet premier, a hardened veteran of World War II, a veteran of the Battle of Stalingrad. Now he was erratic, he was ideologically minded, and he operated with immense personal power, with latitude. He did not have independent advisors who would stand up to him. He did not have to worry about what other politicians in the Soviet Union were thinking at the time. His decisions in this crisis went largely unchallenged by his hand-picked Politburo. And this freedom, it had strengths and weaknesses, I think, through this crisis.
14:11If he'd had strong independent-minded advisors, it might never have come round in the first place. They might have warned him that this was a crazy thing to do. And as a result, he got the Soviet Union into an existential crisis. He fundamentally misjudged how a constitutional democracy functioned. He mistakenly believed that he could push Kennedy into a corner and Kennedy, a democratic leader, would be forced to accept it passively. It was a terrible initial miscalculation. Speaking of which, let's say a little bit about John F. Kennedy, JFK, the American president. He's youthful. He's a relatively new U.S.
14:45president. He's highly educated in history and international affairs. He's seen a lot of the world. He's very conscious of the dangers of missteps. He's very conscious of the power of these new nuclear weapons, the power that really no former human being had ever wielded in the history of our species. The prospect of nuclear war terrified him, as it should do with all right-thinking people. At home, he faced immense pressure from political hawks on both sides of the aisle and inside his own military, who advocated for aggressive military responses to problems. Now, that's easy when you have elections to win.
15:25It's easy when you're not the man sitting in the nuclear hot seat. He really felt the weight of that responsibility. One of his key advisors is his brother, Robert Kennedy. You'll be hearing about him. He's an attorney general. and he served as a core member of the president's crisis management team. And he would later author a very important account of what happened. Like Winston Churchill said, if you want history to be kind to you, make sure you write that history. Robert Kennedy wrote a heavily curated narrative about the events that we're going to discuss. Finally, let's not forget, we have the Cubans themselves.
16:00We've got Fidel Castro, the fiery, charismatic Cuban leader who sought protection from what he believed was an imminent American assault. And he wasn't wrong to assume that. The American government had backed an invasion of Cuba, the Bay of Pigs. It was running Operation Mongoose, a massive covert CIA campaign to sabotage the Cuban economy, to conduct psychological warfare and orchestrate assassination plots against Castro. Cuban intelligence was repeatedly intercepting reports of these operations, which Castro viewed as a threat to his own life, his regime and a prelude possibly to full-scale war.
16:38With this in mind, Castro aggressively lobbied Khrushchev. He wanted an ironclad military alliance. He sort of positioned Cuba as this vulnerable client of the Soviet Union, a symbol of communism right in the heart of the capitalist Western Hemisphere. He wanted to force Nikita Khrushchev's hand but I think it's funny, he sort of overshot the runway a bit. because Castro was not expecting the deployment of nuclear munitions. He'd asked for help, but maybe not that kind of help. Khrushchev said, fine, you want help? You're going to get help. Okay, let's get into the chronology here. In the late spring and summer of 1962, the Soviet Union launched a massive and highly secretive military deployment to Cuba under the codename Operation Anadir.
17:28Under the guise of shipping commercial goods and basic defensive military aid, Soviet ships carried 40 ,000 troops and over 100 tactical nuclear weapons. And this is really important here because tactical nuclear weapons are small nuclear weapons. They are designed to be used on the battlefield. They're not strategic. They don't wipe out entire cities. They will smash amphibious forces. They will evaporate aircraft carriers. They will wipe out assault troops. But that means they're also deployable by people a lot lower down the military command structure. You've got nuclear weapons in the hands of potentially relatively junior people at that point.
18:11They're making some big decisions. Also shipped to Cuba are 60 medium and intermediate range ballistic missiles, the ones I've talked about. They've got the nuclear warheads. They're capable of wiping out cities and regions. They are also arriving in Cuba. By the fall of 1962, Soviet military engineers and Cuban authorities are building launch facilities, silos, command centers, fueling stations hidden within the Cuban countryside. We've got nine sites, we think, six for R-12 medium-range missiles with an effective range of 1 ,200 miles, and three sites for R-14 intermediate-range ballistic missiles.
18:53They've got a maximum range of about 2 ,800 miles. That gets you, no problem, to the Pacific coast of the US, all the way from Cuba. So almost overnight, the Soviet Union now possessed the capability to strike the American homeland with ease. Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C., Miami, L.A., with virtually no warning, given that Cuba sits 100 miles or so off the coast of Florida. Now, let's try and get into Khrushchev's mindset. Like I mentioned before, he made a fundamental misjudgment here. He didn't quite understand how a constitutional democracy functioned. He didn't understand how America would respond to this.
19:34He falsely believed that he could quietly present Kennedy with a fait accompli regarding those missiles. This was like a chess move. One day, he rings up the American president and says, we have now got lots of nuclear missiles in Cuba. Sorry about that. You've got to do what I want you to do. He thought JFK would accept his terms to avoid a nuclear war. Kennedy and the Americans did not respond in this fashion. As so ever, the enemy refused to conform to your plan. It happens time and again in military history. One thing we should say is that it's interesting that both sides have got a severe lack of reliable real-time intelligence on what the other side is really thinking at the top level.
20:17Both leaders are moving pretty blindly through this crisis, that's important to say. The Cold War heats up after this, don't go away.
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23:50It was an early Sunday morning, October 14th, 1962. Major Richard Heiser clambered into a Lockheed U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft in Edwards Air Force Base in California. He flew south. He watched the sun come up over the Gulf of Mexico. Then he rolled to port and headed north to penetrate denied airspace over the island of Cuba. There was 25 % cloud cover that day as he looked down on the sea approaching the island. He was flying at maximum altitude, astonishing. The U-2 had reached 72 ,500 feet. Above him was black. It was space, even though it was daylight. You can even see a few stars at that altitude.
24:38The blue of the atmosphere suddenly feels very thin. you can see it curving away on either side of you. He left no contrail behind, so no enemy fighters came up to intercept to check what he was up to. Heiser switched on the camera and it did his stuff. He captured 928 images, spending about six minutes in Cuban airspace. He then came into land in Florida after seven hours and went for a late breakfast. The film and his camera was spirited away. It was taken for analysis under armed guard in Washington DC and that film would change the course of history. By lunch on that day there were the makings of a full-blown crisis.
25:25The following morning, first thing, the president was briefed in the White House because these images clearly detailed the construction of Soviet missile launch sites on Cuba. We need to stop here for a second. There's a fascinating point to make. Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, insisted at the time and until his death that this was not actually an enormous military strategic problem. As I said before, the USSR, the Soviets, would be able to cause catastrophic damage in the US in the event of a nuclear war already. They would be able to strike at the USA. They had their intercontinental ballistic missiles.
26:12They had their fleets of aircraft. They would be able to do a lot of damage. In some ways, a few dozen extra missiles in Cuba didn't alter that reality. It didn't fundamentally change it. And so this crisis for the Americans is a political problem. Because in a democracy, voters are made promises and they expect results. They expect leaders, roughly speaking, to live up to those promises. Voters also have the power to fire you. And JFK, Kennedy, had explicitly promised the American people that the Soviets would never be allowed to place nukes in Cuba. He had promised the American people that never would Cuba be able to threaten the USA.
27:03It was a central plank of his presidency. This was existential for JFK's career. So doing nothing here is just absolutely not an option. Kennedy immediately calls a secret meeting his closest advisors. as he forms the Executive Committee of the National Security Council, EXCOMM. Importantly, his Joint Chiefs of Staff, so his senior military men, immediately, unanimously come out in favour of an immediate airstrike followed by an invasion of Cuba. No messing around, go for it. Kennedy didn't like this. There are a couple of other options. You could just use airstrikes to take out those launch sites, so surgical strikes against those facilities, or what was effectively a blockade, a naval quarantine of Cuba.
27:53It was termed a quarantine, a sort of legal nicety, to avoid violating international law, which asserts that blockade is sort of technically an act of war. The Americans clearly were thinking very kinetically, very aggressively, they were not going to lie down and take this. And it's that American response that just confuses Khrushchev and immediately derails Khrushchev's plans. He didn't comprehend why the Americans were reacting so explosively to Soviet missiles in Cuba, given that the Soviets had tolerated American missiles in Turkey for years. He just didn't get it. And the strange thing is, behind closed doors, Kennedy sort of agreed with Khrushchev on a strategic level.
28:34There are wonderful White House recordings that reveal that JFK admitted that the missiles in Cuba didn't actually change the global strategic balance of power that much. And he says on those tapes that the rational move straight away would have been to tell the American public, it doesn't really matter. Don't worry about it. But the domestic political reality just made that impossible. That's not an option for Kennedy. Leaders in Congress, for example, actually are more aggressive than Kennedy at this point, these politicians in Congress, they agreed with the military chiefs. They wanted an invasion.
29:13So Kennedy, I think, is hemmed in here. He's hemmed in by senior military leaders, other senior political leaders, by the electorate. When voters find out, they're not going to, they're going to demand action. And he and his brother come to believe, I think, that if they allow those Soviet missiles to remain unchallenged in Cuba, there'll be a public outrage, congressional outrage from both parties, it may well lead to his immediate impeachment and removal as president. They spent days discussing it and then on October the 22nd they decided on a course of action and the crisis went public. The rest of the world discovered in an absolute shalt what was going on.
29:56JFK delivered a dramatic televised address to the American nation and through them, the world, officially blowing the lid off this secret Soviet deployment. He announced the discovery of the ballistic sites, of these nuclear sites, and he demanded that Premier Nikita Khrushchev dismantle the weapons. And he announced in that address that there would be a quarantine. Americans would stop military supplies reaching Cuba. He announces, All ships of any kind bound for Cuba from whatever nation or port will, if found to contain cargoes of offensive weapons, be turned back. This quarantine will be extended, if needed, to other types of cargo and carriers.
30:41We are not at this time, however, denying the necessities of life, as the Soviets attempted to do in their Berlin blockade of 1948. Little dig at the Soviets there. So humanitarian supplies would be able to get through, but military supplies would be stopped from reaching Cuba. The quarantine was pretty smart for Kennedy. It was pretty smart play. It bought him time, and that was critical. It bought him time with his own side. He could show his bellicose military and political colleagues that he was doing something. He was certainly doing something, but he was also giving a little bit more time for diplomacy to work.
31:17But alongside that diplomacy, the US was preparing for war. US military forces worldwide were placed on a very heightened state of readiness. US plans for an invasion of Cuba were finalised. So between October the 23rd and October the 25th, the naval quarantine officially took effect in the waters of Cuba. It was a massive operation, involved 150 ships, aircraft carriers, destroyers, cruisers, submarines. The might of the most advanced naval force in the history of the world was gathering to effectively blockade this island in the Caribbean. On Cuba, though, work on those launch pads continued.
31:57And this is the point about the Cuban Missile Crisis. There are so many moments when things could have escalated, when things just could have spun out of control. For example, the day after Kennedy's public address, the US Air Force and Navy start flying provocative, extremely dangerous low-level reconnaissance flights over Cuba, screaming low over Cuban territory. Voodoos, US Navy crusaders taking pictures, but also enraging Cubans, scaring Cubans, Soviets on the ground. On at least one occasion, a Soviet-made MiG interceptor, so a fighter bomber, was scrambled with orders to shoot down those American aircraft.
32:37But thankfully, that Cuban pilot failed to catch up with the Americans and failed to do so. The effect of a Cuban air-to-air kill of an American aircraft could have been catastrophic. And the rest of the world knew this. The rest of the world was watching, horrified. Humanity's future was now in the hands of a cluster of individuals in distant capitals, and a few nervous, potentially trigger-happy fighter pilots saw surface-to-air missile operators in Cuba. It was scary. Countries behaved according to type. The Chinese backed Cuba and took the opportunity of invading Indian territory and the Himalayas at the same time.
33:16The French doubted the veracity of the CIA reconnaissance photos. and then had to announce a very public retraction. The Brits absolutely backed the Americans in public, very nervous that the Americans would abandon Europe to its fate, abandon Europe to the Soviets. But in private, the Brits thought the Americans had gone absolutely crazy. They'd overreacted terribly about Cuba. Meanwhile, Premier Khrushchev operated with total authority. Like I say, he's unbound by his Politburo or domestic press. publicly, he's very fierce at this point. He denounced the quarantine as an act of piracy. He stated that Soviet ships would not respect it.
34:03So it looks like there's going to be a clash on the high seas. It looks like there is going to be a confrontation as Americans try and board Soviet ships and the Soviets do not recognise their authority to do so. But in private, we now know that he recognises pretty early on that he'd miscalculated. He'd got the American response wrong. And we now know that he ordered those ships not to smash their way through the quarantine, through the blockade. Ships altered course. They stopped. These were the grounds for hope. and he recognised, Khrushchev recognised that a US invasion of Cuba would be an apocalyptic event and he starts working out how he's going to conduct a strategic retreat.
34:53He rapidly realised he's going to have to give way here but, and this is important here, the rest of the world were not privy to the thoughts inside Khrushchev's head and most importantly of all the US leadership were not privy to those thoughts. They did not know that. They thought that Khrushchev might be up for it. He might go to the brink. He might go beyond it. Hence the crisis, folks. And this was not helped by communications. There were telegrams. There were hastily written letters. And if you go and look at those letters, they're fascinating. They very much seem to come from Khrushchev himself.
35:30Like Donald Trump's social posts, they are unmediated. There's no advisors giving those a quick edit. He is writing those letters. He's repeating himself. There are typos in those letters. He is writing them at all times, day and night. This is intensely personal. At 10 a.m., Washington time, on the 26th of October, Strategic Air Command raised US forces to Defense Condition 2, DEFCON 2. This is the highest state of readiness that the US military can adopt short of war. It is the only time in US history this has happened. And what that means? Well, the real world consequences. Massive B-52 bombers with their hulls full of nuclear warheads.
36:16They are now maintaining a standing airborne alert. They are circling the skies just outside Soviet airspace, but within striking distance. Dozens of smaller fighter bomber jets are sitting on airstrips with the keys in the ignitions. Their systems spun up, pilots suited and booted. They're on 15-minute readiness, also carrying nuclear warheads. But, and here's a very interesting thing here, the Soviet nuclear forces, again, we now know they did not change their posture. So Khrushchev was still talking tough, but the Soviet nuclear strike forces were not brought up to a corresponding state of readiness.
36:56Alongside Khrushchev's orders to the ships approaching Cuba, this was a hint that the Soviets did not intend for the Cold War to go hot at this point. The problem here, folks, the problem here is that when it comes to global thermonuclear war, there is no room for error. Any mistake, miscalculation, accident, moment of rashness, Anything can be catastrophic. So sure, Kennedy's getting intel reports. Oh, it looks like the Soviet arsenal is not gearing up. It does not look like it's preparing for nuclear strike. But at the same time, by the way, over here, Khrushchev is making erratic, bellicose noises.
37:37Things are hotting up in Cuba. There are plenty of unknowns. You've also got the Arctic airspace teeming with planes manned by teenagers with hulls full of nuclear weapons. Beneath the oceans, you've got submariners getting hot and bothered, oxygen deprived, antsy. There are lots of variables. Communication was archaic. That same day, on the 26th of October, Khrushchev sent a long and emotional letter to JFK. It seemed like it was sent late at night in Moscow time. Remember, there is no hotline. There is no voice communication between Washington and Moscow at this point. They're using letters in the space age.
38:18Wild. In this letter, Khrushchev offers a compromise. He says the Soviet Union will withdraw the nuclear weapons from Cuba in exchange for a public American pledge never to invade the island. But before Kennedy could officially respond to this offer, The following day, on the 27th, Khrushchev broadcasted a second, much harsher message live over Radio Moscow, which seemingly sort of went back on what he'd offered in this letter. And in this public message, he was much more angry, he's more aggressive, and he raised the stakes. He demanded that the US would also commit publicly to remove those Jupiter missiles from the Soviet border, you know, the ones inside Turkey.
38:59So there are mixed signals coming out of Moscow. All that helps to make the 27th of October the day on which the crisis reaches its zenith. It's not just the rhetoric coming out of Moscow. It's plenty of other things as well. This is arguably the most dangerous 24-hour period in human history. and terrifyingly, with the stakes being the survival of really human civilization, potentially our species, both world leaders temporarily sort of lost control over what was going on at the front line. The Cold War heats up after this, don't go away.
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41:36Now we've got a situation where, as so often in wars, certainly the build-up to wars, momentum on the periphery is threatening to overtake the caution of the Imperial Centre, where people are still trying to pump the brakes. It was mid-morning on that momentous Saturday. Another US recon flight took off, this time from Orlando in Florida. At the controls was Major Rudolph Anderson, much decorated. He was the strategic recce wing's top U-2 pilot. He's clocked up more than a thousand hours of flight time in the aircraft. He's penetrated Cuban airspace. And at 10.18 that morning, two Soviet-made surface-to-air missiles, the S-75 Dvinas, screamed into the air.
42:24For five seconds, the solid fuel boosters accelerated the missile upwards, at which point, fuel spent, they detach and fall back to Earth. The second stage fires for another 20 seconds, at which point that projectile is travelling over Mach 3, 2 ,000 miles per hour. At its tip, a 200-kilogram warhead packed with high explosives, designed to fragment and send lethal shards of metal in a tight cloud with a radius of 250 meters. To allow for some inaccuracy, you tend to fire those SAMs, those surface-to-air missiles, in salvos. This time, two of them. Anderson now had these two missiles, these two state-of-the-art surface-to-air missiles, reaching up into the sky to claw him out of it.
43:13the warheads detonated when their proximity fuses detected the fabric of the aircraft one of them we don't know which one peppered its fuselage with shrapnel traveling at supersonic speeds some penetrated his helmet and pressure suit he may have been killed instantly or he may have died a few seconds later as the cabin depressurized his oxygen ran out the remains of his body, strapped to the remnant of that aircraft, crashed on Cuban soil. As it turns out, thankfully, Anderson would be the only military fatality of the Cuban Missile Crisis. But at the time, this certainly felt like it could be the first of many, many millions.
44:06So the background to the launch of those surface-to-air missiles is interesting. Local Soviet officers tried to contact their commander-in-chief in Havana for authorization, but he was asleep, or he was ill, or he was hungover, or he was a mixture of all of them. And so they were unable to wake him up, they were unable to get authorization, and so they took matters into their own hands and fired those missiles. Simultaneously, another American U-2 reconnaissance aircraft, piloted by Charles Maltzby in a very different part of the world, he'd lost his bearings and accidentally strayed into Soviet airspace over Siberia.
44:45Now, Washington was very worried at this point. The Kremlin would assume that this was a final target mapping flight sent minutes before an American first nuclear strike. So it's all happening, folks, and it didn't stop that day. I'll tell you what. Later that afternoon, more American, low-level aircraft this time, these are carrier-based crusaders, I love that nickname, the last of their gunfighters, they are making a pass over Cuban territory and they are fired upon. None of them are damaged, thankfully. It is now a shooting war. The sparks continued to fly and one of those sparks could easily have ignited history's biggest mound of gunpowder.
45:30The scariest moment for many was about to take place in the Sargasso Sea, where American warships had located a Soviet nuclear submarine, B-59. A couple of weeks before, on the 1st of October, B-59 and three other Foxtrot-class submarines had slipped out of Kohler Bay and into the Barents Sea in the Arctic. Nuclear torpedoes were aboard, lying in their cradles, sealed orders resting in their safes. A couple of weeks later, on that fateful day, Saturday, October the 27th, that B-59 was now quite near the coast of Cuba, and it was caught up in the middle of the American blockade. The vessel had been submerged for 18 hours to avoid being spotted.
46:15Oxygen was running low. The air was now saturated with carbon dioxide and methane. It was causing lethargy. It was causing confusion. Temperatures had soared to 60 degrees centigrade. Crew members were staggering about the vessel in their underwear. The captain, Savitsky, was very stressed. He was very fatigued. And now US vessels began dropping, well, like hand grenades. They're sort of practice depth charges, small explosive devices, to try and force her to the surface. So you've got concussion explosions ringing about the heads of the panic crew, the hulls shaking from the force of the blast.
46:57Did the Soviets realise that these were non-lethal sort of signalling practice munitions? There are many versions of what happened next. Really, we've only known about this whole incident for just a couple of decades. It all came out after the end of the Soviet Union. Some scholars now believe that this was the closest humanity ever got to nuclear war. Others disagree. They say that luckily the controls held, but I'll talk you through it. One Soviet eyewitness says that there was a fierce debate among the senior officers. We thought, that's it. The end. The totally exhausted Savitsi became furious.
47:33He summoned the officer who was assigned the nuclear torpedo and ordered him to assemble it to battle readiness. Maybe the war had started up there. While we were doing somersaults here, he screamed, We're going to blast them. We will die, but we will sink them all. We will not disgrace our navy. In this account, the other officers managed to calm the captain down before the torpedo was readied. Now, by the way, that torpedo had an explosive yield around about that of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Thankfully, it was not fired at the American fleet. But there's another episode. What happened next is just as scary.
48:12With only about a few minutes left until the submarine's batteries were going to run down and the crew would really need oxygen, the captain did bring the submarine to the surface. We don't think at that point that the nuclear torpedo was in the tube ready to be fired. We don't think it was. But as the submarine's ghostly profile rose through the surface of the sea, Remember, it's nighttime. It's dark. It causes quite a stir among the American ships nearby. The submarine has surfaced and Captain Salvitsky and another senior officer, a very important one, called Vasily Arkhipov, they open the hatch, they climb onto the conning tower.
48:56So these exhausted submariners, they come up into this night scene, an overwhelming scene, because you've got American naval vessels around. You've got searchlights blinding them. They can't see properly. And you've got a primitive, pretty old-fashioned exchange between signalmen as they're trying to use these lights to communicate with each other, announce their intent. It's all overwhelming. And then it seems you've suddenly got an aircraft, noisy, low-flying, screaming overhead. It's dropping incendiary flares to mark out the submarine's position and perhaps taking aerial photography. But to the Russian crew, that looks a lot like a dive bomber.
49:34It looks a lot like they're under attack. You've got burning flares in the water. You've got lights being blasted, noise. All of it seems to have given the impression to this very stressed Russian submarine commander that this Soviet submarine was under attack. According to one account, determined not to go down without a fight, Captain Salvitsky dives back down the ladder into the submarine, barking another order to prepare nuclear-tipped torpedoes. And here's the really incredible bit. With the world now potentially seconds away from nuclear Armageddon, the captain was delayed as he climbed down into the bowels of his submarine by a signalman who's in the way.
50:16He's got trapped on the ladder and leading up to the submarine's conning tower. And this gave a little breathing space, a bit of time, for the other senior officer, Akhipov, to just gaze out at the scene and get his bearings and spot the fact the American vessels are furiously signaling they want to talk, that the flares are not in fact an attack, and Akhipov uses his authority to cancel the launch command. Perhaps World War III had been avoided by, well, whatever the width of that signalman's backside who got jammed in the conning tower. If he'd been sleeker, if the captain had been fast down that ladder, then perhaps that nuclear torpedo could have been loaded and perhaps it could have been fired on that night in the Sargasso Sea.
51:09Now, other historians have pointed out that luckily and sensibly Soviet doctrine did require three officers on board to be in agreement before nuclear weapons were deployed. They all had a key without which the weapon could not be fired. The commanding officer, the executive officer and the political officer, there was a KGB officer on board as well. He actually slept next to the torpedo and never left it. And that was the most unpleasant place on earth to sleep. It was freezing cold. But anyway, that's where he slept. And so there were safeguards. But even so, we may well have got much close to a nuclear launch there that I'm comfortable with.
51:43And on that day of all days, I interviewed the renowned historian, Saheiy Ployki, on this particular moment in the Cold War, and he does maintain that had Kennedy received word that an American naval detachment had been vaporized by a Soviet nuclear-tipped torpedo, well, it would have been war. There would have been no restraint. He would have responded with massive nuclear retaliation against Cuba, mainland Russia, triggering global thermonuclear war. because Kennedy spent that day fighting his own battle in his own White House. He and his advisors were digesting the news that that U-2 had been shot down over Cuba.
52:26And when news reaches Kennedy, someone in the situation room said, that's it, they fired the first shot. We are at war with Cuba. We're at war with the Soviets. Kennedy's military advisors strongly urge a military response at this point. And this is the moment for which he deserves enormous credit. it. He overrules them. He uses his possibly last piece of presidential authority to overrule his military advisors. Why did the shooting down of that aircraft matter so much? Well, the Americans knew that the surface-to-air batteries in Cuba were under the control of the Soviets, not the Cubans. And so they assumed that by firing those missiles, that was a clear statement of intent from the Soviets.
53:13It meant that the Soviets had chosen war. They wanted war. The Americans had no idea, and this is a big intelligence failure, they had no idea that Khrushchev was absolutely furious about that U-2 being shot down, about that Soviet surface-to-air missile launch. Remember, I keep saying, there is no direct communication between the two leaders. Their letters are taking hours to get to each other and be translated and responded to. That's actually why Khrushchev has started broadcasting on Radio Moscow. He started making radio broadcasts because he thought it might be a quicker way for the Americans to actually get messages rather than going through all the diplomatic channels.
53:58Anyway, by the evening of the 27th of October, the world is on the brink of war. And by the way, that's before anyone in Washington, in the White House, even learned about the fracas in the Sargasso Sea. No one knows about what's going on in that Soviet submarine until decades later. JFK is still holding the line against his military advisors, and he decides on one more diplomatic gamble. He's going to ignore Khrushchev's harsh language, bellicose language, he's going to home in on that first letter that Khrushchev sent saying that he would back down in return for a non-invasion of Cuba pledge.
54:41And so that very same night, that very same night, while submarine B-59 and its American pursuers are tiptoeing around nuclear catastrophe, JFK sends his brother, Robert Kennedy, to meet the Soviet ambassador, Anatoly Dobrynin. They were alone. It was a private meeting. The Soviet ambassador later reports that Bobby Kennedy was deeply stressed. Bobby Kennedy states unambiguously that the Soviets had to agree to remove those missiles within 24 hours, or the US would invade Cuba. Now, between themselves, RFK, Bobby Kennedy, is saying there's a bonus. We will give you a concession. We will secretly dismantle those nuclear missiles stationed in Turkey.
55:30But that part of the deal has to remain totally confidential, totally secret, because if anyone found out, it would be JFK's domestic political ruin. And this is just totally fascinating. Remarkably, Bobby Kennedy told the ambassador that his brother, the president of the United States of America was under enormous pressure from the military to use force against Cuba and that, I'm quoting, an irreversible chain of events could occur against his will as the president is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power. That's heavy stuff. Bobby Kennedy implored Khrushchev to accept Kennedy's proposed agreement.
56:18The following day, Sunday the 28th of October, Kennedy's getting more details of the close calls from the day before. They're now making their way up the chain of command. He is hearing that in Cuba, there is now, well, in some ways a state of war. Cuban forces are just firing upon US military aircraft as soon as they see them. And his brother, Robert Kennedy, reports the mood that day. We'd not abandoned all hope, but what hope there was now rested with Khrushchev's revising his course within the next few hours. It was a hope, not an expectation. So the expectation for the Americans is that they are going to invade Cuba in the next 24, 48 hours.
57:02But remember, they did not know that there were over 100 tactical nuclear weapons on Cuba. If the Americans launched that amphibious assault, Khrushchev believed that Soviet and Cuban troops would use those weapons rather than be steamrolled by the Americans. The American invading forces would be vaporized. It would be nuclear war. Khrushchev had reached the point where events were almost outside his control. He was alone in his dacha, in his country house. He's outside Moscow. He asked for no advice. He did not need the acquiescence or even the involvement of the Politburo, senior politicians in the Soviet Union.
57:51One man is now really wrestling with the future of humanity. Thankfully, that man made the right decision. Sense prevailed. Khrushchev took the deal. He acted on what he'd been told by the Soviet ambassador in Washington. He took the deal that was offered by Bobby Kennedy. He took the last-ditch offer. At 9 a.m. Washington time on the Sunday, Khrushchev went back on Radio Moscow. He said, the Soviet government has issued a new order on the dismantling of the weapons which you describe as offensive and their creating and return to the Soviet Union. Kennedy grabbed onto this offer. He wrote to Khrushchev and announced that the US would in turn respect the inviolability of the Cuban borders and its sovereignty.
58:52Many of Kennedy's advisors disagreed, if you can believe it. And that's, by the way, given that no one knew about the Turkish missile deal. That was kept absolutely secret. Later that same day, on that Sunday, the former president Eisenhower rang Kennedy and Kennedy lied straight to him, straight to his face or straight to his ears. He promised he had given no undertaking to remove the Turkish missiles. That was totally untrue. But this skullduggery was enough to end the catastrophic escalation. It did bring to an end the most dangerous month in US history. Khrushchev agreed to remove the missiles from Cuba.
59:32Kennedy agreed not to invade Cuba and respect its sovereignty. It is worth noting that both Khrushchev and Kennedy had completely bypassed Cuba, Castro, in these negotiations. He wasn't consulted any of it on the withdrawal of Soviet missiles, and he had no part in setting the terms of the deal. Castro was left furious, and he realised that in the grand strategy of the world's superpowers, Cuba would be treated as a pawn rather than an equal partner. Ever since, our narrative of that time has been shaped, really, by the accounts left by some of the important people in charge, particularly Robert Kennedy.
1:00:13He posthumously published 13 Days and in that book he painted JFK in his inner circle as enlightened, flawless crisis managers who stared down the military and forced a neat Soviet climb down. But declassified Soviet accounts, more recently released White House recordings and recently opened KGB archives, exposed this account. I think they exposed the 13 Days narrative, Bobby Kennedy's account, as a curated self-serving myth put together partly to launch Robert Kennedy's future presidential campaign. The resolution was a good old-fashioned compromise. Kennedy did secretly capitulate to Khrushchev's demand to dismantle those American missiles in Turkey.
1:01:13And to protect JFK from domestic political ruin, this portion of the deal was fiercely hidden from the American public. It was hidden from Congress. It was hidden from Kennedy's own presidential predecessors, as I said. And now when we look back at those razor-thin margins in October 1962, I think it's unsettling. There's a realisation that, yes, the system held, but potentially by the thinnest of threads. The finely tuned strategies of Kennedy's fancy Ivy League advisors, the iron-fisted authority of Khrushchev's Kremlin, both fractured in the white heat of real-world chaotic events. We may owe our survival to events as marginal as a Soviet signalman getting physically stuck in a submarine hatch, as US fighter bombers being able to outrun the surface-to-air fire that screamed into the air into their slipstreams.
1:02:13We may all still be here because a crew of sweating, stinking, terrified submariners peered into the literal abyss of thermonuclear annihilation and had enough sense to pull back from the brink. The two critical players, Khrushchev and Kennedy, they stepped back, I think because of a gut-wrenching fear on a personal level. They both belonged to a generation that had witnessed appalling military destruction. They'd witnessed the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They'd seen the reports, the intelligence, on the tests that were taking place through the 1950s. The mind-blowingly massive hydrogen bomb test, like that of the US Castle Bravo and the Soviet Tsar Bomba.
1:03:00the largest device ever detonated by humans up to today. They were genuinely terrified of the weapons they controlled. They had seen the official projections that perhaps a third to a half of human beings could be killed after they issued launch orders. And thankfully, there was dialogue after the crisis between leaderships. A Washington-Moscow hotline was installed. That's a great idea. and events led to a partial nuclear test ban that would be agreed in the years that followed. There were talks about going much further but more serious detente never happened. It was derailed and here's the dark bit about the Cuban Missile Crisis in the years that followed.
1:03:45Elements of the US military embodied by the fire-eating Curtis LeMay, the Air Force boss at the time, they continued to believe that Kennedy had been defeated. He had been humiliated over Cuba. Curtis LeMay called it America's greatest defeat ever. 25 years later, he clung to the point of view that Cuba should have been invaded. That's a point of view that would certainly have precipitated nuclear war. On the Soviet side, Khrushchev paid for his compromise with his career. Within two years, he was ousted in a palace coup. He was replaced by the more hardline Leonid Brezhnev. Sure, in Khrushchev's case, his erratic decision-making, which got the Soviets into the crisis in the first place, was part of it.
1:04:34But to many, backing down was his greatest crime. That was unforgivable. The Soviet Union appeared to have been humiliated. It all just shows that the siren song of war is strong. It lures us onto the razor-sharp rocks of conflict where the only certainty is blood and destruction. Cuba was one of several near misses, perhaps the most severe. Humanity's continued existence is threatened by our astonishing scientific advances that have created planet-destroying arsenals of weapons and put them in the hands of human beings with all the frailties and eccentricities of our cave-dwelling ancestors who once wielded sticks and stones.
1:05:27I think we need to keep channeling that visceral fear that Kennedy and Khrushchev both felt. All contemporary politicians, all of us in the public, still need to feel that. The sanitized myth of the crisis and its resolution has lured us into a false sense of security when it comes to nuclear weapons. and the other striking thing is in reality the nuclear age never ended i remember in the 1990s everyone popping cork saying well that's the end of that but the weapons endured and now modern powers including the us and russia and china and france and great britain and others are actively participating in in new arms races nuclear arsenals they are under the euphemism of modernization programs, but I do wonder whether we've truly learned the lessons of 1962 or whether they have been forgotten.
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