How to Choose the Perfect Wall Art for Every Room

0:00I think our art needs to tell a story of us, but also when people come over and comment on it. And I get to tell the story behind it. Some people collect tattoos. You're going to collect, these are tattoos for your home. Yeah. This is the art on your walls. And I think that it will also tell your story. Almost 25 % of Americans don't have art on their walls. That's crazy. I'm blown away. Isn't that crazy? Hi, everyone. Welcome to Dear Alice. Today, we are going to be answering two of your listener questions all about art, collecting, and hanging. and we bring you a very special guest, Suzanne Hall, today.

0:38She is a great art collector and hanger. I have to say, you and Tom are your resident. You guys are often called out by friends and neighbors alike to have you hang their art. I had no idea I was becoming like a third-party art hanger. Or like anytime I have an art question, I'm always like when I got those pieces done, I was like, you know someone. I know that can do it. She's like a special kind of drug dealer. She's like, this is your guy. She's got an underground framer guy that's super special. I've tried to have my artwork framed by him. I do not have the same experience as Suzanne has. She goes in and he's like, rolls out the special red carpet and takes her into back rooms.

1:16And they come up with - It's because Suze has never met a stranger. I know. I know. So you guys - You're instant friends. You're so lucky that Sue just happens to be on this podcast always and isn't just a special guest. That's true. Because we're going to be breaking it down for the people today, all about art collecting and hanging. And so we're going to read you those questions in a minute. But first, I just wanted to say, if you're new here, we are called Dear Alice on the podcast, but our business is actually called Alice Lane Home. Funny, huh? It's funny that we didn't call it the same thing.

1:45So I just wanted to make sure you weren't confused. And if you want to check us out on Insta, our handles are Alice Lane Interiors, and that's where we're building and remodeling beautiful homes. And you can follow along that process. And I know you love interior design, so I thought I would tell you about that awesome resource. And then our other handle is at Alice Lane Home. And that is our showroom. We have a beautiful store in Utah. And then we also have an extraordinary online store where we curate. But more than anything, we're making our own products. Corey and I are designing and developing.

2:16We have like 700 of our own SKUs. So it's unique stuff to the market that isn't sold anywhere else, but at Alice Lane Home. So definitely check that out. And if you guys need help putting together a space, we have a couple of design services. One, first of all, is free, and that is called Home Furnishing Design. And those are designers that we have on tap that will use all of our resources for whatever you want to create. So it's the greatest cheat code in all of interior design because it's free and they have 200 vendors available, plus all of the unique stuff that we're making, and they'll put your house together for you.

2:48They're in AutoCAD. They're going to ask you all about your story, and you are going to create an extraordinary space. So those are some resources that are available to you. And then obviously, dear Alice, we're just giving away all the secrets of the universe here when it comes to interior design. So today we're going to be, again, talking about art. So anyway, we're excited to tell you everything we know there. Oh, one last thing. Oh, my gosh. It's September 11th right now. And we are in the middle of our very best sale online. It's the best sale of the whole year. Our own stuff we're creating is up to 25 % off.

3:21And then all of our vendors participate. So all that's 20 off. So jump online because if you've been wanting a new piece, this is a really great time to grab that piece that is first quality. This isn't scratch and dent stuff. It's brand new and it's all on sale right in the month of September. So go get something nice. Also for you preppers, it's a great time to grab your gifts since you're probably already like stocking up your stuff for Christmas. Everything's on sale. Even the little things that you want to like gift for the favorite things party, for your moms, your neighbors, all the things.

3:51Now's the time to grab it. So good call. Yeah. I wish I were that prepared. I was just like in my dreams. Maybe next year. Okay. Before we get into the listener question, we all like to travel. And in that travel is art and curating artwork is around us. I want to know where are you guys going in the near future and how, yeah, are you guys going to go to any museums, local art shows? What are your travel plans? I have to say, I do love buying art on vacation. I think because it's you're in a dream space and you kind of you're allowed to like wander on vacation and your mind can go places and you want to remember your vacation.

4:29Yeah. Right. So I'm getting ready to go to Paris. Maybe. Yeah. The one of the best places for centered around art. So excited. I've always heard Paris is just so magical in September. So we are going and I'm so excited. And I remember buying a piece in Paris when I was 16. I went over there and I bought something from a street artist. It was a little five by seven sketch of the city and I've kept it in one of our crystal frames and it's one of my favorite things and I still go back there in my mind whenever I see that little sketch. So I'm really hoping to come back with art and I have a bunch of places on my itinerary where we can go and explore and find things to remember that vacation by.

5:13I mean original is always you know the hope of any art buying trip so I think then it makes your collection feel traveled yes you know it's experiencing different cultures and stuff like that so and soon I always go in October we go to High Point and we hit up a couple of our favorite vintage shops and we love buying vintage art too we I mean so we either you're buying something or I am or we both are or we're buying um vintage scarfs to hang that's another pro tip we'll be sharing a little bit later what else what else do you where are you traveling what do you have where do you like to buy art traveled so much for installs this summer so i'm not like boots on the ground i kind of don't want to go anywhere anywhere but gosh where are we traveling next i don't even know i need to plan that trip i need to have a destination because we've been all over the place but next place will be high point yeah and so we're gonna grab something yep do i have walls for it absolutely not no you'll find one Sousa's house is a gallery yeah yeah and you even have so much stuff that's still unframed at my framers like in his like big large map doors he's like what do you want to frame today I'm like what do I have in there anyway so so he he has your inventory and you don't even know yeah it's probably like stuff so he has art on tap yeah I just have it shipped to him now like that's amazing yeah no that's cool you guys need a framer yeah that's what you're gonna learn and have a special relationship with him.

6:41It's like your hair girl. You need a framer. Yeah. It'll become an issue, a real issue. So just prepare yourself, but it's such a fun hobby. Oh, it's such a fun hobby. Okay. So guys, today we have two questions. The first one is from Jenna Longshore. She asked, do you have any advice regarding hanging art and decor on your walls? I can't seem to figure out the formula in terms of scale, number of pieces, et cetera. Art and mirrors and wall hangings are all pricey. I'd like to have some confidence or a bit of a guardrail or foundational understanding when it comes to investing in hanging pieces.

7:17The other fun element is that I inevitably drag my husband into hanging the decor with me and for me, and he just hates when I don't know where I want something. I tend to eyeball, and he's an engineer that prefers a precise understanding. It makes me second guess nearly everything. Jenna Longshore, you are every woman in America. Let me just tell you, I am also married to that guy. He's not an engineer, but he always says to me, I work alone. So you tell me where you want it and then I will hang it for you. So I can't even stand there and be like, oh, just, she's just like, just stay where. So yeah, it is, This is the stuff of all marital arguments.

7:59So we feel you on this for sure. Suze, what advice do we have for Jenna? Okay, Jenna. And I think your advice will go for most of the audience because I guess what a fun fact that I found out, Jenna, is that almost 25 % of Americans don't have art on their walls. That's crazy. I was blown away. Isn't that crazy? Anyway, so many people don't have any art on their walls probably because of these same apprehensions. of just like confidence in buying the right thing, where to put it, how big to go. And so. And do I want to get in a fight today? I want to get in a fight today, you know? Pick your battles.

8:36Yes, but when you can have confidence in buying the art and like loving it, then hopefully you have like an idea of like where it can go. I think if you love the art and you're invested in it and like invest not for only you, but hopefully for your husband too. Hopefully he has some investment in it, whether it be financial or emotional, then you both will be in both be in the pool together and then he can work alone you'll know exactly where to direct him like Jess and then he can like get it to the very perfect levelness that it should be as an engineer so I love it um but yeah how can we help Jenna get on the same page with her husband about about this project together okay first I have a few rules okay for everybody out there so get out your pencils um first you need to define because it doesn't matter you can buy you know a piece from a showroom and if it's not emotional it's not going to be it's not going to be part of your collection where what you're doing here is fine like building a collection you are curating and defining your style and so what I want you to do one is you and your husband you can do this separately first and then like come together um you're going to start a pinterest board it's just going to an art folder and you guys are both going to sit there on a date night and you're going to go through images and go to like accounts that you love.

9:55Go to Alice Lane. Go find other designers that you love their work holistically. And then you're going to start to zoom in and you're going to start to drill in like, I love that art. I hate that art. That guy's staring at me. Get him out of here. You know, you're really going to cue into like the art happening in the spaces and you're going to put the things that you both love or you love, you know, on your own and stuff you love together in this art folder. Okay. So you're going to be building that together and you're going to do that do that for a couple hours you know if it gets exhausting make sure you have snacks um drinks whatever but like this will be really revealing um and I think it's a good exercise for anyone to do and this isn't for you to go buy the art it's just for you guys to cue into what do you both like what do you both agree on um one of the downfalls that I see amongst um couples agreeing on art in the work that we're doing for families building homes and whatnot is that oftentimes they'll just go to the thing that they both agree on and that's often landscapes.

10:56Well, we, you know, he loves this and I love that, but we can both agree on landscapes. And so their home is just full of landscapes and you're like, well, that feels kind of flat, right? Like definitely buy a landscape because you maybe, maybe even buy two, but, or they both are like, well, we can both agree on abstract, but you're like, you can't have an entire home full of abstracts or it starts feeling like condo art or a dentist's office and not like not super thoughtful. There's not a curated collection by any means. And so we want to we want you to we're going to show you some examples of projects that we've done in the curation because you want all different types of mediums to make your home interesting.

11:32So for sure everybody's going to have a landscape in their home. So maybe start there, you know, because that's a really easy agreeable place to start. Everybody's probably going to have something abstract because they can probably agree on that. The part that gets hard is the subjects it is that is when there's a human in the art or an animal in the art some people can't live with other people in their art let's say majority of people have an issue with it at the beginning until they find the right type photography yep or something and and a hundred percent of clients art is the hardest layer like bar none and it takes a second so again you're very you're amongst friends here yeah and it takes a second to get it right and by second and they want it to mean something it could be yours anyway they want it to mean something and so not every picture on your wall needs to be your child not every picture of your wall on your walls needs to be jesus like you just have to like find some things that just like make you happy whether it be an experience a travel trip that you took together something that reminds you of your child you know or color that just like lights you up those are the things that like and that variety that type of variety is the stuff that you want in your home you it talks it tells your story so you need to make sure that like it does light you up but this is the time to become a little bit more open mindset so once you do like initially you make this board of art you know of things that you're initially drawn to that's the first step so pinterest board is the first step the second step is you're going to go on another date night and if you're on your own lucky you you get to be your you don't have to talk to anybody about this night two you guys are going to go try and find galleries in your area, art shows, even showrooms that you like.

13:14Come to Alice Lane, make a trip out of it, come to Utah. Anyway, and go to places that have like interesting art curations. Galleries are really fun because you get to learn about the artists. You know, if the artist isn't there, you're talking to the gallery owner. Student art shows are fun. Anyway, if you can go to an actual gallery and then that's when you, I think because you're live, you start to cue into the mediums that you like. If you're like, oh, I love that, the gloss and the varnish on that oil that like catches the light. I love that so much. And that's when you're just like, and, and subjects might be more acceptable to you when you see them live.

13:49When you see them on a two dimensional thing, you're like, oh, they're just staring at me. But when you feel the texture, you feel the artist, you feel the story in the, and it becomes a more dynamic backdrop a hundred percent of the time for me. I love that. I totally agree. Yeah. So, so yeah. So you're going to like feel, and also like photography. You know, there's so many different mediums that like make a successful collection and that's like oils. I think photography, sculpture, three-dimensional objects. This is really fun because this is when it can get personal. I mean, there's obviously sculpture in galleries, in vintage stores, in all those places that you can like grab and start to collect and put it in a room.

14:26And if you're not ready to hang stuff, just start grabbing things you love and just tuck them in the corner until you have enough to start, you know, like rolling down that road but I will say I'm like some of the most fun art that we've ever framed is just like people's personal collections for Rachel Parcell we framed her wedding shoes in her in her closet and I love that in an acrylic box and they're hanging on the wall it's a real I think it's just like such a tribute to that like moment that was very special in her life and it tells part of their story and you can't not ask the question like where are these shoes from they're amazing totally and and there's even a collection of shoes going down the stairs to their basketball court of you know favorite players game shoes that are signed and there's acrylic boxes or acrylic ledges that you can sit those on as art also like her son's first like basketball shoes because he's like an he's an avid basketball fan and he plays all the time and he'll probably play for a college and who knows but he to have his first pair of shoes of this like love that he had like that's what tells your story the rocks that they collect you can frame those bugs scarves we're going to show you a bunch of pictures of just different things that not only are like a two-dimensional but actual three-dimensional which I think is so dynamic I think so too yeah so you're trying to curate a collection you're going to start with the easiest thing but more than anything you want to get inspired so you can both just at least agree on what you both like and also will give you sort of space in your head to go okay he really likes photography I didn't think I liked that but because he likes it I'm going to start looking at photography and oh I get it she's really into oil paintings and so he'll he'll appreciate what you're appreciating and then that's a really good common place to start from as you as you begin your journey and like we said earlier traveling is a really fun place to buy art because you're usually together anyway and you're out of work mode and um and it will remind you of your trip and I don't know you can just make decisions easier than at home.

16:23I feel like when you travel you kind of like go back into that honeymoon phase yeah like i think that's the magic of traveling with your person you're just like like each other we're pausing and you know yeah you pause you get away from all the chores and all the busyness of life that travel becomes magical routine and you see things you the art that you do collect reminds you of that trip you know every time you went on a honeymoon yeah it's just like this reoccurring love story and so that's what your walls should say love i love that so much okay great all right should we get into it and show them examples okay some great examples of this okay so we're going to be showing you some full homes so you can see like what does their curation look like because some of these are things that they brought to the table when we started to design some of the things are things that we introduced as we designed um but all together they do feel like really beautiful curations so and they all belong in the same home right yes they do and they get along so and i will as the common denominator of all the things is that they love them so that and if you love it it'll get along okay all right so this first one we're starting out with is linden art manor which she came to the table with i kid you know i don't know how many pieces of art like little pieces of art we framed but it was in i swear it was in like the 60s like it was so many little things that we framed but just stuff that she's collected and had love stories with like this you know for so they were able to build their dream house.

17:47And so, um, a great way to do, to take all those is you get them framed. And you, I want to say one thing about the framing. When you have pieces like this, you're framing it for the piece. There are some like galleries where you'll have like a series of black and white photography, you know, of just like people, you know, ancestors, things you love those times, those times, I think if it's the same type of like photography and it's printed off at the same time, those can be framed identically, you know, and put in like a really organized grid. When you're dealing with a collection of stuff that you've collected from all over the world, it should be framed.

18:23The art should be framed for the piece, not the time that it was framed because that will timestamp it real, real quick. So I feel very strongly about that. So frame for the piece. Here's another thing that like you talking about her collecting that just made me think of it. Curating art is a long game. This isn't like, hey, we need this this week. we need it by Monday this weekend we're doing you know what I mean so it is just be patient with yourself um I think developing you know your your taste and like what you gravitate towards that takes you know some time too so this isn't this isn't a it's a marathon yeah it's a marathon on that point I was gonna say I'm like I like being around people and I didn't realize that like in my art collecting until I had enough pieces to like kind of tell this right is I started looking around at all my art and I'm like 99 % of it has people in it which which then I was just like that was like a realization I had probably like 15 years ago and I'm like Jess Jess listen what I found out about myself today yeah I'm just like I have eyes all around me like they're staring back anyway but it wasn't until I had enough pieces on my wall to be like you can do this on Pinterest that's a much faster game but in the art of like gathering art you will start to see like some like common reoccurrences but then you're going to switch up your medium and add other things to like flavor it up but um sue loves the subject to the long game like and it'll evolve like you'll be exposed to different things and i think that's the biggest thing is to go into this open mindset yeah go into this like don't limit yourself because that's when it goes flat yeah give yourself place space to dream in it when you both go in really rigid with like, I only like landscapes.

20:10And he's like, I only like abstracts. And you're in a standoff. You're just never going to get there because you're trying to find common ground. And you can both represent what you like and why you like it. And then you can like it for why she likes it and vice versa. So I think that open mindset thing, staying really pliable in it, because it's art after all. And I will say this too. I feel like a house never feels like it's finished until there's something hanging on the wall. We just moved my daughter into an apartment over the weekend. And I said to Adam, we've got to get over there. We've got to put the art on the wall because then she'll feel like she's home.

20:45When there's art leaning up against the wall, then it's like, well, you just put the bin in the middle of the room and it can be half unpacked. And there's just something about it where you never really feel like it's done. But when you have art up on the wall, you're like, oh, I live here and I feel put together. Now I want to fold my towels and put those on the thing. And you just kind of want to finish up. It really feels in the gaps. It looks like home. So, um, if you're living without art and you can't put your finger on why it just doesn't quite feel done, it's probably cause you're missing something at eye level, which is the artwork and your story.

21:18Yeah. And art like is a very personal thing. And like, that's, I mean, in a lot of ways, it's probably the most personally expressive thing in, in someone's home. So it tells a lot about you as an, as an individual or your family as, as a whole. And yeah, I think that's what creates, you know, makes it feel like home. Great point. Okay. Cozy Earth's pajamas and blankets are so soft and breathable and good looking. I actually started planning my evenings around them. Right when I get home from work, I'm jumping in my bamboo stretch knit pajamas and I'm running for that bubble cuddle blanket. Now we've seen faux fur blankets before, folks.

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23:10These are all pieces that she had collected and then we had framed and kind of came up with the gallery. And I'm sure if you've seen like little tutorials on how to do galleries, you kind of lay them all out together and kind of like play Tetris with them. And the fun thing about a gallery is this kind of a living growing thing. is like you'll start with this and like if you have room you can keep climbing it up or if you're going to cap it at the crown build the entire space here are you laying them down on the ground and kind of like orienting them how you would like on the wall or how are you how are you laying that out i'll start it out like that with just like the first like few pieces like usually like the biggest like this piece has this gallery has a lot of little pieces usually start with your biggest piece okay and i get that and then i kind of branch out and grow from there and then it really is like tetris you're just like yeah you're playing so you're doing it on the wall you're not really doing it on the ground i'll start out on the ground with like two or three pieces and then i'll put those up and then i'll kind of just like play with it on the wall yeah at that point that's kind of like what what jenna was saying like she's more like eyeball i think with hanging art it is an art in it in and of itself especially a gallery yeah and let's just say where a good place for galleries is because i like that we honed in on this for this podcast yep okay gallery walls i think are awesome i said this before in corridors I think stairwells are awesome too, just like if you're going up a stairwell, because that's kind of an awkward spot to hang in general.

24:28So this is a great place to kind of like, you know, play Minecraft as you go up the stairs. Also in hallways and going upstairs, you're close to that, because a stairwell is only like 36 inches wide. So you're close enough that you can appreciate all the little pieces of art. Going down a hallway, you're in close contact. That's a great place for family pictures. Today, we don't really hang the family picture over the mantle like they did in the 80s and 90s. And their greatest work of art was their family. At least that was for my mom and dad, you know. And so it's like big family picture over the mantle.

25:01Today, we don't do that so much. I think a great place for that is these hallways. And it's all the family pictures over time. And then you can get really close because it's a small space. And you can hang art from the floorboard to the ceiling and just fill that up and tell your whole family story. and it's a fun place to just to go back to my parents bedroom has a gallery wall going back there like susa saying going up the stairs or down this hallway at the on the bottom of the stairs so that's your place for gallery walls yeah it used to be that people would be like i'm gonna do it above the sofa you can do a huge piece over the sofa or a diptych or a triptych you don't have to do your gallery wall there because you can't admire it over a sofa the So if it's like three feet deep, the closest you can get to it is three feet away.

25:46Unless you're standing on it. I know. Exactly. That's just not safe. You want to be able to admire those things up close. So think about that. Also, I think over like a big piece like that and just all the things that you have in the living room, that many little pieces gets nervous. It does. It gets really nervous. So having a large gesture. And so in those big great rooms, you know, you're going to want to really play up the scale. and you're going to want to go with big art over the stuff like you said a diptych a series but not like a nervous gallery I think keep those for the hallways keep those for the stairwells let's diptych define that for the people totally so a diptych is a fancy word for one piece of art cut in half and then framed as separate pieces and Susa's going to show you that one of those on the screen right now a triptych is when you do the exact same thing but you cut that piece of art into thirds and then frame each individual piece and then hang them close together.

26:42People go crazy for this trick. They cannot believe it. In the picture that's on the screen right now, this is from our Lovers Lane project. Above a sectional is a diptych of it looks like just ripples in a pool of water. And it really gives this sort of restful feeling, which is nice at the end of a hot day in Dallas, just to feel, you know, this cool water reflection. it's easiness um it was a feeling that they were after in this space and we were able to give them that through this this series this diptych and it's photography which is really nice um I think in in a room because you're going to have other mediums too so yeah I think people often forget about photography in the collecting and um this is just a great example of of what photography could look like in a setting like this yeah and it's a little bit more clean and crisp and I think a younger it's a younger look too yeah like in general when you're looking at photography yeah these are your crisp and graphic contemporary and for your transitional spaces or thrown into a little more traditional setting will make it feel young and crisp exactly yeah these are a couple other just again inland art manner i just wanted you to kind of see like different types of things we do have a subject obviously probably a lot of that gallery but we have a subject of that big bird amongst these trees in the powder room which i think again the scale of that is what's so impressive is the fact that we went big with like all the sketchiness of the wallpaper and so again you're when you're looking for a large art to fill up your walls you're looking like in that 40 by 60 like in a minimum whether that's landscape or portrait view like that's usually a good size to start with and go on out from there so so that's London Art Manor and again you can see it the fun thing is once you see these like finished homes you're Like this does look like a really like, I don't know, well, a depth collection, you know, that has a lot of interesting things.

28:36Okay. I'm going to go to House of Harrington. Yes. Awesome. I love the collection in this house. I do too. Right when you come into the door, you see like this, there's a piece that's framed in an acrylic box. And it's all these like little cocoa beads strung to make this like really interesting, more abstract pattern. but there's some such definition and like definedness because it's a three-dimensional object that's been framed. Yeah, really pretty line work. It's loose. It really sets the scene. And when you look up close, you're like, oh my gosh, that's thousands of little hand-sewn-in beads into this textile that's then displayed in an acrylic box.

29:12So she just looks like this cool collector. Also, she's a real fashion collector, fashion influencer. So this felt fashionable for her. Something tactile. Totally. This feels really, really good to define the person like it really gets along with angie anyway so keeping things that are loose along with things that are tight i think is really good that's why photography is so good for the crispness but then sketchy things and studies are awesome or just like that but again just to keep it loose we love that combination figure sketches just from having a retail store one of the things that we buy over and over and over again and sell over and over and over again everybody seems to be get along with it is figure sketches.

29:50It feels like you're taking art class or somebody in the 18th century took art class and they did all of these studies that are really loose and kind of scribbly and they make a human or they make a building, a beautiful classical building that's sort of scribbled and sketched in like a study. Everybody loves that. It feels old. It feels collected. It feels really smart. So that might be something if you and your partner aren't agreeing on art you might be able to agree on a figure sketch or or a landscape or a besides the landscape a classical study of a building yeah even like when I'm sketching for people it's easier for them to see themselves in a space if it's loose yeah same thing with art it's easier for you to identify when you can't see the color of the person judging you on the other side right so like some of these figures don't have eyes and nose and mouth it's just like a representation of their face or it's you can tell that there's a head yeah so maybe they're not even staring back at you so it feels loose yeah and the scribbly lines feel really nice in a really put together room yeah yeah presented something like it must have been like a subject was a human and like you could see their face or whatever and the client was just like he's judging me well I think I'm a no like there's no way he's judging me I can't I can't sit with that anyway okay so figure sketches keep it loose um another thing three-dimensional objects we got this from one of our vendors and it was just like all these like women's warrior vests like how dope is that anyway so this like hanging behind what is your television is was such a cool installation so on the subject of three dimension this is probably one of my favorite things that we've ever done agree and for those of you listening um and you can't see this it's it's like it's installed on like a drapery rod and then these vests are almost made out of bone or horn and you can see the individual vests and they're strung through the rod and it's an installation of five hanging down and there's something about a physical object as art not stuck inside of a frame that you're like whoa you get so much credit i remember i collected um their vintage swimsuit art um they're like it's so funny in the old days you guys women and men wore swimsuits made out of wool and so i have these little wool swimsuits with like little buttons and they're they're navy blue and white striped with red details and they're like shrunken if you can imagine because wool shrinks absolutely yeah and then they just make for great artwork they're kind of in a little bit of a shadow box but if you go to a vintage store too like picking up vintage jewelry you could frame that vintage scarves um You know, swimsuits.

32:28I love hats. I'm a hat collector. So I think there's objects like that that you're just obsessed with. And those are so easy to agree on because you both are like, objects is art. Amazing. Tom recently, he bought a matador hat in San Diego. I love. But it's like this old matador hat. It's at Ritz. It's getting ready to be framed. As it should. I have a matador hat. And I'm like, how fun is that? Yeah, I think it's more like interesting too. Like rather than, you know, just photography everywhere. yeah just like mixing up the mediums like you were saying and honestly these you can find a way to hang anything yeah um one of honest one of the greatest gifts i've ever been given adam bought me um him and i both grew up skateboarding and there's a um japanese piece of art called the great wave off kanagawa i don't know how to pronounce it exactly but it was a piece that we carried like in the oram store when i first started so it reminded me of that um but so yeah it's uh three different skate decks and the art is on that and the it came with hardware that projects it off of the wall so you know it can hang and stuff and yeah it's the favorite gift i've ever been given and super cool so yeah there's a way to hang anything yeah i love that totally i love that okay okay so we have our warrior vest three-dimensional objects um along with that in her dining room her ms plate collection is like one of my favorite things This isn't like a new trick.

33:54We've seen it like in old English interiors forever and ever and ever. Hanging plates on walls. I just think it's so dynamic. And there's this reel on Instagram. I'm sure since you guys love interior design, you're served the same reel. But it's a small slow pan of a beautiful dark red powder bath. And from floorboard to ceiling is all different plates installed. And like they even collect oyster plates. Every type of plate. Little tiny saucers kind of tucked all in. and the whole wall is just three-dimensional and projecting out. And you're like, this is probably just off of a dining room or a kitchen.

34:29And what a great tiny little jewel box of a space to hang an entire collection. So don't forget to hang plates as art. I love that. I love that. Along with photography, they love Thailand. And so when we got this picture from Condé Nast, they're just like, oh my gosh, that reminds us of being over there in Thailand. So anyway, tells their story. interesting especially in the same room okay now we're at our capital heights project which this was really fun because the client they voiced out that he he really wanted an original Flemish painting so we actually went on first dibs sent him a bunch of different options size wise we liked with this like built-in that we did in the red high lacquer and it's hard to see here but when you see it live and you see the antique crackling there's magic in that room and like feeling the contrast of something as old as this Flemish painting next to this modern mirror sculpture above the fireplace again when you get the tension of multiple mediums and subjects and interests like all together like it has a pulse something old with something new yes and then you get the textile of the scarf that's three-dimensional yep and hanging um in a really beautiful um silver frame here with some white mat showing which i think which i think cleans it up too and again cooled it down cooled it down that periwinkle you wouldn't necessarily like say i'm gonna put this with a flemish painting but it works with the red which is like the backdrop and these are the three main pieces in the same space yes i love that okay now we're gonna take you to leverage lane yep i think this is so fun because this is one of our again there's art on the wall he loves new york he loves graffiti he had this like yoda and the new york yankies hat um like and that was just like kingy I think he like won it off like a business auction or something wasn't even framed and I walked down I was like this is amazing this is so fun he's like I'm glad you like it my wife hates it um anyway but we got it framed and like it wasn't planned to like go there on this easel but it like gives like a real representation I think of the client like I think it has such an attitude also he loves it note to to self if if your spouse hates something it's a perfect place for them to put it in their office right because it's it doesn't necessarily mean that Yoda has to be in the main living space or in the entry or the family room or your bedroom it's yeah or your bedroom it's perfect for his office nothing sets in there yeah so if there's something that you guys just can't agree on then then that's your um that's your whatever you call it put it in the garage your white flag you can hang it in your own personal space yeah but i think that the most darling thing there's like you can see there's a bunch of just like i will say like shelf art that's another good spot for like little art candid pictures all those things can go in built sins which is so great i don't want to discount that um but this like little um they met at an nelly concert and she can't remember if she kept it or if he kept it kept the ticket i think she anyway he gave it to her as a gift as a person anyway it's their love story it's now in a shadow box in his office and every time somebody sits on that sofa they can be like what is this and like it just it rekindles y 'all you you 92 summer jam that's yeah that's crazy throwback so good anyway so definitely I remember we had a client too not a client but just like one of one of you our listeners that like sent us a picture and she knew I loved like art and framing and she sent me this thing and she's like I've had this mint wrapper from my you know my first or second day with my husband in my purse for 10 years and you finally like gave me the courage to like frame it and they framed this like little mint wrapper and it's small and it's quaint but it means so much So again, to, I don't know, yeah, that love story.

38:07I think that there's like a lot of things that we could probably go through old boxes and be like, you know, I remember that. And like, that's special. And I want to have that on my wall. I want that to speak. I think our art needs to like tell a story of us. But also when people, like I love when people come over and comment on it and then I get to tell the story behind it, you know, and that kind of helps them connect to it. and it's something to talk about. You know, it just, yeah. It makes you interesting as a person. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And the more you do it, it's addicting. You know, some people collect tattoos.