Interior Design Q&A: Mixing Styles, Open Layouts & Timeless Looks

0:00I learned this from Sue. The most interesting characters in an empty room are the chairs. So your chair's job are to be interesting. I think that's the beautiful thing about ALID and what we do is that we design for the client. I think we all can design in any style and like pull out the best aspects. That's the opportunity. That's what we want to do is designers want to design, you know? Yeah. So like Sue always says, design like you give a damn. We want to do that. Hi guys. Welcome to Dear Alice. today we're going to be answering your questions this is one of our favorite podcasts that we do like usually about once a month ish where we answer just all your questions so thank you for sending those in and if you guys have questions for us you just send them to dear alice at alice lane home.com and we will either answer them like we're going to do today sort of rapid fire a whole bunch of podcasts or maybe they'll just become their own episode so whatever topics we haven't covered or something specific that you want us to really solve for here we're happy to do it so That's today's episode.

1:02Should we just jump into it? Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go. The first question is from Jeremy from California. He wrote in and said, Hi, big fan of the podcast. I was wondering if you could talk about the rules for mixing design styles like modern with rustic or art deco with modern. Thanks. Well, hi, Jeremy from California. Hi, Jeremy. And thanks for listening to the podcast. We like to think of ourselves as mix masters. Yes. Yeah, we love a mix. And usually the mix comes from the two people that occupy the home. They don't have the same taste. So we usually get to figure out what makes each of them really excited about a certain style.

1:42And then we get to start blending those. So Sue, you just came out of a consultation where you did this very thing. Do you want to tell us how we do it? Yes, this was for the rules for it. This was kind of modern rustic. So I saw those two things from you said modern with rustic we just barely did a north star which is kind of like giving them ideas on how to kind of mix these two things it's for a home and kind of like a yellowstone type of space it's called the ranch in idaho so you kind of have like the demographic right that does feel a bit more rustic it's natural those things but the home that the architect drew was more on the modern side and so trying to even like just architecturally with demographics is also a mix of trying to figure out how to do it and then taking the client's style into that all becomes like this really a mix that can feel overwhelming but I was really excited with some of the things that we did because in trying to keep things modern like in a modern house like everything stayed clean in their lines but the materials that we're using feel a little bit more earthen and rustic so I'm like anytime you can like take elements from both of them and figure out what is like the correct way to blend these for this home having just like kind of an like earthen limestone like all along the floor that feels like it was born there in that landscape felt really really good but doing it in a pattern that felt a little bit more like modern paying attention to the lines in which we're laying things that's what makes it talk back to the architecture so um if we're talking more topically we say this all the time that we love the con like the contrast and tension when you have a historic, you know, Louis XVI chest and Burl Walnut with a really modern piece of art.

3:23Same kind of thing. When you start to combine these two, like, and when you see it, it'll just start to sing. I don't know how else would you describe this for us, like the combination of the two. The contrast of old and new. Yeah, and it's usually just kind of like diluting it to like, what is its purest form? Art Deco, like we know that there's like a really nice repetition and like there's like a linear geometry to it you're gonna pull but it doesn't mean that you're gonna take it so literal to be like it has to be pure art deco with pure this it's saying what do I like about art deco I like the repetition that's really interesting to my eye and now I'm gonna combine that with Parisian French you know and have some of those things start to combine so yeah does that help did that help I think so for sure yeah just the organizing of the materials like you're saying.

4:14I love that thought. And a lot of things, it is in the building of the home where you can make these references and then furnishing of the home where you can also start to make these references. But if you can do both, it's easier to do it, don't you think? Rather than just with furnishing. So especially in this Idaho space that you're talking about, I think that that's really nice to be able to get those foundational layers along with the topical layers yeah because they both do a part in telling the story yeah and they both of these styles like modern and rustic both give different things and so like really understanding what is it that i'm trying to get what do i like about that style for the rustic for them it was like the ease of living and it felt relaxed so like they want that but they want to be cleaned up and so you're like i want to be relaxed and that becomes kind of your north star in saying does this make me feel relaxed but does it make am i getting too complicated is it getting away from the modern so once you have like those kind of key words and feelings, then you can start to really make, I think, decisions confidently because you're like, it's relaxed and it's clean.

5:17I feel like we get to see great examples of this here in our own territory as well. Obviously, Idaho and Utah being so close together, but for us, it's going to be in the mountains where you do a lot of mountain modern, which gives that sort of really natural or what we're calling rustic, but in a cleaned up, organized way. We see it in California a lot too, these organic modern homes. So that combination of things feels really cool together because you don't usually think of these natural materials being so tightly organized. You usually think of them as having texture and right. And like the hand on them is rough or like a dry branch or something like that.

5:56But being able to see it tight and modern and stacked, but still be coming from the earth. I just think that combination is so pretty and and actually really quite popular in the west in the western united states right now so yeah i love that combo love that hopefully that helps jeremy and the combination of styles awesome the next question is from jacklyn 37 34 and she asks loved your room redesigned jess i was just curious if you guys could talk about sometime in the future tricks to making a small room look bigger? Yes. Great question. Yeah, for sure. I think these are like foundational things for interior designers is space expanding tricks.

6:38Number one, I will say if you are, if you're lucky enough to get to build a home, diagonal lines are going to make your space feel infinitely bigger. So you can lay your hardwood floors on an angle, um, or you can use parquetry. Um, you can do tile in a bathroom on an angle on a diagonal or using small mosaics confuse the eye and they make it feel infinitely bigger because you're not counting those 12 by 12 tiles and seeing that the room is really only three by five you know what I mean it just feels it also feels foundational in European design these mosaics do so little tiny tiles or diagonal tiles or diagonal lines if you get to build.

7:22Now, if you're already in a home that's completed, then you can apply those same tricks with the rugs that you're pulling. Maybe they have more wandering lines that take you on a trip rather than being on a grid. What else were you going to say? Just on the subject of rugs, going bigger. Like the larger you can get that footprint to be, the larger your room will appear. Like don't get like a dollhouse sofa for your room, get a normal size sofa. And then when you experience it and scale things appropriately around it, but you experience like really comfortable things in a small room, you're like, this is like, this room is giant.

7:56It's, it's sounds contradictory, but like it will stretch the eye and make it appear to be larger. Most people that don't know better are going to buy an eight by 10 rug online and it's going to show up in their room and they should have bought a 10 by 14 or nine by 12. the smaller the rug then the smaller the room's going to look because that's really bordering and identifying the size of that room and where all the furniture is going to be placed so you're going to really want to measure your room and get the largest rug possible for that space so the bigger the bigger rug same thing's going to be for art if you can do really big art it's going to also expand the eye and make you feel like your ceilings are taller your room's wider and it's gonna feel really cool yeah in there right um taking things to the ceiling like your drapery that rod needs to sit up high and again i'll just like they'll just stretch for days so yeah i also have to say when i painted my ceiling high gloss a glossy ceiling makes your room feel taller bigger it's like it's like a river up there it's reflecting everything and i'm like it probably goes like 10 feet beyond there it feels so deep is that water it feels so infinite yeah it's like reflecting the chandelier back on itself it's a magic trick so i think gloss i think gloss is also expanding yeah so mirrors um we'll often get mirrors in there that's going to make your space feel bigger it's going to bounce light around um we love mirrors too i feel like my entry looks bigger than it is because i have a really tall mirror above my entry chest i don't even have an entry all of a sudden i have a mirror there and people are like i love your entry i actually do love your entry yeah it's so great exactly it's like air supply says she made love out of nothing at all yeah yeah it's really great yeah um i yeah bigger art bigger rugs um getting that ceiling high lacquer stretching those drapes up to the ceiling using mirrors and color drenching yeah color drenching takes the line away y 'all like it just keeps on going so that's really it's infinite It is.

10:00Yeah. Tension lines be gone. Those are our favorite tricks, Jacqueline, for space expanding tricks. Awesome. The next question is from Hillary Riley, 28. She wrote in and asked, hi, team. Love the show. Was so pumped to learn we could send questions. I'm working on a new home a year or two out till it is finished, and I'm trying to plan some stuff. One of the biggest things is going for an open floor plan for the main living room, kitchen, et cetera, versus more of a closed plan. Was curious if you had any preferences. way this is i think we're kind of passionate about this right now um here's what i love about a floor plan i love when you get this sort of squeeze and then like release this like hold down right you're in a small space and you go into a big space so if you come in and the whole thing is open floor plan then you feel small in a big space and you don't get that dynamic of smaller space to a bigger space to a smaller space yeah that's what i think makes for a really dynamic floor plan.

10:57So I'll just use my own home for instance. So when we come in my entry, we have like a 12 foot ceiling right in the entryway. And then you go into a 10 foot hallway, 10 foot high hallway. And then you take that hallway all the way back to the back of the house. There's rooms off to the left and right. But when you get back there, we all of a sudden open up to a 17 foot ceiling and great big windows where my views are. And you're like, oh, you get that effect because you had this held in effect from going down the hallway to, oh my gosh, the view corridor back here and the high ceilings and the beautiful finish work up there.

11:32And if you just walked in and the whole thing felt grand like that, then you wouldn't get that dynamic. You know what I mean? Yeah. It feels like a gymnasium kind of, just like, I don't know, just. And I do think that we're going to start to see that open floor plan feeling really fatigued. I think that having individual spaces, especially Hillary, I'm guessing that you love design, which is why you're listening to the podcast. So I think having individual rooms is way more fun to design. You can have these different personalities. You can try different things. Different people can occupy these spaces with personalities.

12:04A big open floor plan is probably going to mean that you're going to use a really neutral color and it's going to be a big, huge run-on sentence of a room where you can't create a whole lot of identity for each space. It has been the most popular thing for the last, I'd say, 20 years. And so I think you'll start to see these floor plans where you can have more identity in each scene. So I think there, I do think what you're saying that you have an open floor plan off the main living room and kitchen. That is very common where those two spaces combine. In the old days, they used to put a kitchen in its own room and mom doesn't want to be put off in detention to cook by herself and then to have to serve the family in the living or in a dining room today I think the kitchen and family being in an open space makes a ton of sense and I still would love that on any floor plan in any decade I love that kitchens aren't their own little room anymore so that to me is a fantastic plan I wouldn't change anything about that yeah but then to have like the little takeaways from the kitchen into like a little butler's pantry that like then goes into a actual dining room or even a dining nook that has a different ceiling height too so you can have an experience there you know and just having all these shoot-offs I think I think it's magic I really do think I'm so excited that like that's like the direction that we're trending right now because it's long overdue there's something too about um a little bit smaller spaces that make you feel safe and we'll often say on a floor plan that we're working on with um a couple or the the wife or whatnot we'll be like this little tiny pantry off of your great big open floor plan room.

13:42This is the place where you're going to go tell secrets to your sister. This is where you're going to whisper, I'm pregnant. You know what I mean? You can't say that in a big open floor plan room. It's not intimate enough, right? Everyone's hearing it. Yeah. Everybody hears that's not cooking. No secrets in the great room. You can't have a bad day in that great big open floor plan. You want those intimate spaces to go tuck away and tell a secret or I don't know. I just feel like it's a place for girls to sort of gather around in their pajamas and sit and talk. And I remember getting a text around Thanksgiving time from our client.

14:11She'd been in her home a year and she texted me and it was like her and her sisters from the neck down, they're all in their pajamas. All four of them are in the pantry. And she's like, you're right. This is the room we come in to tell secrets. They weren't out in the kitchen. They could all have been on bar stools. There was plenty of room to entertain, but they want to go have an intimate, quiet conversation where not everybody, where the kids couldn't overhear them talking. And you know what I mean? So make sure if you are in an open floor plan that you're giving yourself some of those private spaces to tuck away because that's where you are at human scale and you can feel cozy and you can feel safe telling a secret.

14:48I love that. The next question is from Ruth from New York. She wrote in and said, hi team, just got a new apartment and starting to plan for furniture placement. I am trying to figure out if it is all right to put the couches and other stuff against the wall or if it is a better to give it space. I worry about limiting my space by bringing out the furniture, but want it to look nice since I will have clients visiting. Any thoughts? First of all, congratulations, Ruth, that you got a new apartment in New York. I always just feel like those people living in New York deserve a standing ovation. Yeah, because I know it's a hard place to be able to get your own space.

15:30And look how fun you get to fill this up with furniture. We certainly will always say that people that don't know what they're doing push all their furniture up against the walls. Now, we know that space is a premium in New York. In fact, nothing is more expensive per square foot. So we definitely want to use space wisely here. Floating a few things in the room is definitely a trick of a designer. So we're going to try and figure out how to float a few things. I wish I had your floor plan because then we could really speak to it Sue do you have any rules about what pieces are good to float? Yes I'm going to speak personally because this is like my house not very large and when I was like laying stuff out on CAD I was just like gosh like if I want to fit this like large sofa all these things it's going to start to get really pinched like you're saying if I do because I know to float things off the wall I'm like I think I need to push my sofa up against this wall by the window So, but then I have, it was important that all the other pieces, I have a lot of interesting chairs, you know, were on angles.

16:29And that's the stuff that you should float. If like you're trying to save like actual footprint, you're going to get a really, really large rug that's going to sit underneath all the pieces. But then some of your bigger pieces that aren't as sculptural on like the whole 360, those are the pieces that you can kind of tuck closer to the wall. And then you're going to float everything in front of it and around. So my sofa's against the window, but then I have like a round cocktail table that I I can really feel the air kind of go in and around. I have a lot of sculptural chairs that are fun to experience at an angle, you know, as you walk by.

17:00And like when you see those, it's sculpture. So you don't even notice. Like you don't even notice that my sofa is pushed up against the wall because there's so many other interesting things floating around it. Here's what I want to say too. I learned this from Sue. The most interesting characters in an empty room are the chairs. So your chair's job are to be interesting. Your sofa is going to be like the biggest piece of furniture in the room. Your rug's job is going to bring in a lot of color and interest or pattern. And that's like the biggest piece of art in the room. The grand mediator. It is the grand mediator, yes.

17:32And it's going to also tell you like what other upholstery you can pull in. So when you're choosing chairs, Jessica, this is the important designer trick. You're going to want to look at those chairs from 360 degrees. You want to make sure it looks good from the back. Good. I really love a three-quarter shot of a chair too. so you're going to float those chairs and if you'll use a round cocktail table instead of a square then those angled chairs look really beautiful and intentional going around a circle so that's that's I guess our best designer tip we were just helping my daughter move into her apartment and we brought some old chairs that were in my basement into her bedroom she had room lucky her for a lounge chair and a small occasional chair those were the two pieces that I didn't push up against the wall.

18:15I pulled those out of the corner of the room and then I put one on a three-quarter angle near a floor mirror. And just having those things float out and show angles. Angles are space expanding. So those diagonal lines somehow make the space feel not only more interesting and they give those chairs those better angles, optimal angles, right? Optimal angles, children. Yes. I just think that it looks and feels more designer. So work really hard on those chairs and make sure and use a round cocktail table so you can throw those on angles. Great answer. I even think like the stuff that is up against the wall, just give it like three or four inches.

18:49Yeah. Like, uh, space planning, my, my wife's like new salon, we put a chair, um, uh, for her clients and stuff like that. And, uh, with the side table next to it and we had it, I mean, she pushed it up against the wall just to kind of like have more room. And I mean, just, yeah, pulling it out and seeing it, getting a shadow behind it is, it makes it feel more lived in real yeah more design more thoughtful yeah yeah so uh yeah i would say even the stuff that is going to be up against the wall bringing out a little bit definitely helps slim console behind a sofa that's pushed against the wall will give you room to layer in collections big stacks of books or or art or i love ginger jars a collection of blue and whites or whatever but you can have a pottery collection back there um anyway so yeah just it It could even be like a little eight inch deep console back there.

19:43Just that little bit of room to breathe gives the illusion of more space. The other thing is if things are up on legs. Oh, yeah. So if your sofa is sitting really, let's just say your sofa is on a plinth base and it sits really solid to the ground, then your chair's jobs are not to sit solid to the ground. Do not buy that matching chair to that sofa. You leave that at the furniture store. You're only buying the sofa. You're not buying the set. and then your chair's job is to be leggy because you want to see underneath the chair and that will create the illusion of bigger space it's sculpture yep yeah cozy earth's pajamas and blankets are so soft and breathable and good looking i actually started planning my evenings around them right when i get home from work i'm jumping in my bamboo stretch knit pajamas and i'm running for that bubble cuddle blanket now we've seen faux fur blankets before folks this is different.

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21:51I mean the my my go-to answer on this would be traditional traditional is kind of one of those styles that's just sort of everlasting however I would make it new traditional because the old traditional feels like I'm at my grandma's house so think Tory Burch um I don't know if you've seen like one of her showrooms it feels traditional but it's in these really acidic colors so it's going to be pistachio green on the English rolled arm sofa. Like mango chutney with a fringe edge or something like it's so cool. Yeah so if you do it you've got to do it a young way so that it will feel like you but those silhouettes like those English rolled arm sofas or those Chippendale chairs covered in an animal print or do you know what I mean like you've got to be a fashion designer when you're dressing these pieces or you're going to look like your grandma.

22:41so that's my thought on traditional or on I guess her question was which style would be the most timeless to that yeah to that as far as just like you're going to develop a point of view that feels like you and that's going to feel timeless as you continue to do that throughout the evolution of a home throughout your life you're going to collect things and those are the things that you're not going to are irreplaceable from your collection the art that you love that you're like emotional about the pieces that remind you of something like the fabric that you like convince your husband finally because you like were just so passionate about it those are things that like I will keep in my collection and those are timeless and I think the more people can like actually get to that point where they're like unapologetically like defining who they are what they love grabbing it keeping in their collection like you'll you'll notice what you can like you'll want to donate to goodwill and the stuff that you're going to keep and those pieces that you're going to keep are part of your timeless collection and they're and it's not the same as your neighbor that i think is timeless design i think things that are steeped in history like european design because that's been around for centuries right so that to me never really feels new it always feels steeped in something important and studied and timeless if you will so getting those occasional pieces um that really interesting you know italian looking chair um from the 18th century or that French chair with the carved wood on it, something with an inlay, things like that are always just going to feel like you inherited some precious antique.

24:12It's heirloom pieces. It is. It's heirloom pieces. And then you've just got to find a way to put it in with things that feel like you and doing it in your own take, whatever your favorite colors are, but having your own take on it so it doesn't feel dusty from a museum. Yeah. It's got to feel like you. Don't you guys feel when like styles kind of like come back around, there's a new element to it, like a new aspect to it that is that kind of ties it to that specific time period. So I would say, yeah, like if you want it to be time, you know, I think of like a traditional frame sofa, but like in the 90s when like the potpourri looking like flower print, you know, like maybe the frame is traditional.

24:56and that's itself is you know somewhat timeless but it's that that pattern fabric that was on it that dates it so maybe staying away from those things like the aspects of the style that are time stamping it staying away from those things is probably key if you're looking for timeless yeah do you agree yeah yeah focus on the frame because you can always reupholster that thing and and you'll have this most original thing that's so you and you couldn't see it before because it was like wearing a weird Halloween costume from the 80s. Yeah. And now reimagined feels so fresh and interesting. And they're like, where'd you get that chair?

25:34The Golden Rocker. Yes. Yes. Yes. The Golden Rocker had a terrible, well, as far as just it was a very, very dated. And it felt like it was like from the East Lake generation, like in 1800s. But as soon as I put that yellow, like velvet on it, like mustard, like it totally effed it up. Yeah. Like it totally made it something to talk about that I'll have in my collection forever. And that frame is rad. But it's historic. Yeah. you know as far as like figure out what bit of history you love and then like pull that into the collection yes if you guys don't remember that episode Suzanne Hall had um a third baby during the pandemic no she she had two babies during the pandemic the last baby which is her third child she found the most amazing vintage rocker and she reupholstered it and that's what we're referencing it's a piece in her nursery and it's so fantastic and we all want it now that she's recovered it we're like oh we see what you saw you yeah suicide even with the bad fabric on it yeah timeless design that can be you exactly uh the next question we have is uh from nicole from california and she said love hearing these episodes i enjoyed you guys going over the interior design styles prevalent in 2025 i liked every style except maybe post-modern it's just not my style.

26:49I was curious if there was a style you personally do not like. Nicole from California. The thing I'll say, I'm like, when I was probably like just graduating or like early in my like design education, I probably had more strong opinions. I'm just like, I'll never do that. I'll never design in this style. But having done this for the last 20 years, there's something good from every decade. I will say I'm like, there are good pieces. there might be pieces that like aren't my favorite or just need to be spun in a blender in a refreshed way but I do think I'm like and I think that's the beautiful thing about ALID and what we do is that we design for the client and if the client loves postmodern shoot I'm going to find the best parts that she loves about postmodern and the things through my filter they're really going to make that look it's ideal best in her home same thing with like honestly any style I feel like I can design I think we all can design in a style and like pull out the best aspects of it and kind of leave behind the stuff that like won't shine in its in their best light so I mean yeah that's your job as a designer to find what is awesome about that style or yeah I had a professor and we like were like this was maybe like my sophomore year and he had the whole class gathered in this like room that was like full of this like really like it was like a mob a navy like chintz or something that in that time felt very like 80s 90s and um and he sat us all and he's just like okay i'm your client and i'm saying you have to use this pattern i'm bringing you this fabric and you have to use this fabric um do you want the job and he said anybody that will not use this fabric stand up and majority probably like 80 of the class including myself stood up because i was just like ew you know yeah i'm better than that not interested and he you immediately said you're all fired you're all fired because like you have to like figure out like what is it about the chintz that the client loves and then you learn about mario bada prince of chintz and you start to like research all these i'm like if you went down the postmodern like hole and i gave you a book on postmodern i bet you there's some elements there that you might be able to throw out that you like you don't have to you don't like that you don't have to like postmodern that's not what this is about but what i'm saying is that there are things um I think to be to educate yourself on every design decade and that I think are really as far as you start to admire just the genius of every decade and I think that that's why we can design in any style because there's something good to be had I also feel like um there's sort of this love story that happens between a designer and a client where you start loving it because they love it and you see what they see in it and they're telling you all about the history and why they love it and it's part of my English upbringing and you know we designed for this client she had an English home and you just only start seeing English things and then you want to know more about her story oh more about this color and pretty soon you just love it so much because you're carrying that on your back for them and you really do just come to love every style because it reminds you of them and you love what they love and that's your job as a designer is to be to take that in, to sponge it in so that you can then filter it and then give them the purest thing back.

30:08So I agree. I don't think that there's a bad style. I don't like certain people's filter on, on styles. That's where I get, that's where I start to start to get itchy, um, is because I'm like, Oh, you know, there's, there's a different way that could have been great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And I think that's maybe what you're looking at. Um, Nicole is maybe you don't like the way that maybe some people have filtered postmodern. But I'll bet if you researched it, you'd find the things that you do like that you could take from it. Yeah. Yeah. Great question though. Okay. One last question.

30:42And it is from Martha and home 98763. Great question. I think. So whose celebrities house you guys going to tackle? I would love to know who is on your most wanted list. I'm so glad you asked. Great question. Benson Boone. Yeah, I think that's, I mean, collectively as a whole at Alice Lane, right? We're like, hey, at some point we're doing this dude's home. So give us a call, you know? It's so funny. A couple months ago, we were like, we've got to do this house. Look at his outfits. I think musicians and entertainers in general, they're just so fun. They're characters. They're so fun to look at their outfits.

31:21And we often take clues and cues of what they're wearing and to what they love and what lights them up. And his outfits are so fun that we were like, we've got to create a house for this character. It'd be so fantastic. Yeah. Yep. It is definitely on our bucket list to design Benson Boone's house. So we're ready. Outside of that though, like individually, if, yeah, you have a, do you have a celebrity like. I mean, I will say along those lines, I was talking to the designers and I was asking them, what's, what's a celebrity that you would love to do? And one of them shouted out Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's home.

31:59Please say less. I love it. That would be so fun. Yeah. You know, just think of the characters. Because both of them together too. And the love story. Yeah. Stop it. And I really like it when people want to be all in on something. And because they are that way in their own life, you know that they're going to want to express themselves. You know that they're not just going to phone it in and be like, I don't know, beige sectional. and you know what I mean? So I think whenever the opportunity to just really design for a character, I think it's why we get so excited when Lenny Kravitz has another home on Arc Digest.

32:32We know it's going to be loud. We know it's going to be interesting. And we're like, I can't believe we have a front row seat at the way he lives his life, you know? That's just so fun. I love that. I would totally design your house, Lenny, if you want. I mean, you obviously don't need me, but I would, I would like, I may have had a crush on you for a long time. It could be fun. I think Emma Stone. yes that's a great yeah it's like what actress so i'm just like because again like what girl do you have like a girl crush on celebrity wise i'm like i think she's so funny and so great um yes she would be such a great character we'd have such a good time yeah um who else you know when i think of celebrity homes i think one of my earliest impressions was that kitchen of cameron diaz's um she kept coming to my mind yeah kelly wurstler did this space i don't even know early 2000s probably it was a dark green kitchen with brass countertops for um for cameron diaz and i was like she has such cool style that kitchen's still cool it still lives in our minds rent free it's so great and so i'm like you know cameron diaz which is down for design that's what i mean that's the opportunity that's what we want to do is is designers want to design you know yeah yeah so like sue always says design like you give a damn we want to do that so so these are the characters that are coming to my mind.

33:52I could keep going. Who was the one that Amanda said? Make sure and say Pedro Pascal. Oh yeah. Great. Great. Yeah. Javier Bardem. Please. That's Suzanne's crush. I know. Such a crush. Yeah. Yeah. I love. I see you. So cute. How about you Corey? Do you have a favorite? Yeah. Uh, do you guys know who CeeDee Lamb is? No. Okay. He's, uh, um, he's the wide receiver, the number one, right. Wide receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. And he's just he's just such a rad dude he for like the last 10 years I feel like it's been a thing for especially like the stars of teams for pre-game outfits and you see him walk in the tunnel to get you know yeah and and yeah CD has just like a uh a really cool defined style he probably has a stylist but each like outfit that he wears is cohesive so I'm I just feel like he has a cool defined style um he's not afraid to take risks and um yeah like i just think it would be amazing hair it'd be fun yeah yeah super rad hair yeah um type in type in pre-game uh um outfits yeah a pre-game outfit yeah anybody that wears a pre-game outfit we want to design for them yeah yeah he just has he just has rad style right yeah look at his arms here's what he's my dude too Yeah, he's a rad guy.

35:17People that love fashion love interiors. So, yeah, they're going to be all in with wanting to express themselves. And you know his closet is going to be a blast. Yeah. And it's going to smell good. It's going to be good. And it's going to be well organized. He's going to have a lot of shoes. Yeah. And man jewelry. Yeah. Yeah. Cool hair. He seems like a really, really, like, rad guy, too. I'm a Cowboys fan now. Funny dude. Yeah, exactly. Now I'm a Cowboys fan, too. Yeah, right? Cheers to him. Yeah. Yeah. That's so fun. What a fun question. Thanks, Martha. You guys, thanks so much for listening.

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