Overlooked Design Details: Front Doors & Flooring

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1:09But there are some times we're brought in a little bit too late that then we can't correct some of these details that should have been thought about. So we're just going to give you high level exterior on a couple of things that should be always considered, especially if you're embarking on a new build or you're remodeling. And then we'll get most of the series is just going to be on interior details. And so we're just going to take off little bite sized portions and share it with our friends. Yes. So we'll be hitting window grids, the front door, and we're going to talk about your thresholds and flooring.

1:39We've got a question that came in that goes perfectly with questions about flooring directions and hardwood floors and how to lay them. So we're going to be addressing all of that in this episode. Guys, this is going to be such a fun series. I think so too. I'm so excited to be sharing all this information with you, especially if you're embarking on a new build or a remodel. Just getting these little details in there just makes it feel like a well-built home. Before we jump into today's episode, we want to remind you that we have our free design service available called Home Furnishing Design.

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2:43So we're going to be sharing those things that will naturally come up because we've seen them and we don't want you to do it. Yes. Anyway, so what not to do. Exactly. Okay. Dessa, we're going to start on the exterior. We're going to talk about grids. Wait, Sue, before we get into grids, can I just talk about something that makes me a little bit crazy on just an exterior overall finish? It's when people use too many finishes on the exterior of the home, especially when there's a two-story above-ground home that you're starting to see usually some sort of masonry around the bottom, whether it be brick or rock.

3:19Yeah. And then there's some sort of stucco component and then there starts to be siding details and they go ahead and take that siding in different directions. Sometimes it's horizontal, sometimes it's vertical and it's usually both on the, all on the face of the house. Everyone's had and doubled it. And then they're going to throw some shakes on there too. You guys, you've got to just be chic. We cannot do that. You can't use that many finishes and that many direction changes on the face of your house. It's too much. It's too much. You want to create a monolith of one solid looking thing. I do love masonry around the bottom.

3:56It feels heavy. So using a stone on the base of the house. And then if you're stucco, then you're using stucco up top. Or if you're going to get into a shake detail, you've got to use just the same shape shake detail. We can't be doing all of the different directions and all the different shakes. I totally agree with you. Yeah, 100 % because honestly, and I know that this is like a builder spec idea that they do. They're just like, we're going to add perceived value to this exterior. And so we're going to go ahead and put just the front. It's like the accent wall of the exterior. Guys, oh my gosh.

4:29Where they put just like a little sticker of it. And it's not full brick. And we know that because we can see the side sticker. If you are going to embark on, you're finally getting to buy a home. You're building this home. I'd rather have you go all stucco. honestly than having a thin little sticker of brick or rock on the front face of that that i know doesn't continue onto the sides because i can see its side profile yeah you know don't do it i want you to run your masonry around the entire perimeter of your house i want it on the percent if you're using it on the base of your home i want it on the sides and the back you're not doing the entire home stone you're just hitting that base to give it really heavy don't just stop on the facade and that way you can appreciate when you are enjoying your backyard yes and your side journeys and all those things like everybody can see the sides of your house when they drive by it we can all see when you only hit the front with the finish and then stucco the rest of the way around yeah you know who you are I'm gonna say this I totally agree it's a worse offender when it's on a smaller spec home because there's just too much going on for such a small you know space yes I'm going to say this about myself this is a I wish I would have yeah so everybody listen up when I was building my home I was told it would be$35 ,000 extra to just brick the entire thing what I wouldn't give to just take that$35 ,000 and add it onto my mortgage right now be like 25 bucks a month amortize that 35k over 30 years yeah hey for an extra 25 bucks a month you wish you had a full break house exactly yeah if you're in the process right now just do it that's when it's easiest least expensive honestly um a remodel i like new build that mortgage right in yeah for sure yes so do it while you can it's too many exterior finishes and then they look like add-ons you know when there's like running like one gable with some you know shake on or something it's like did they add on to that home that was built last year it's the weirdest thing to me This is so good because often homeowners just don't know.

6:31They're just like, well, surely if I have more things, it makes it look more fancy. It makes it more interesting. There's more perceived value there. But really it is about just a well-built home has one material, not more than like two to three, you know, in the right proportions, but covering the entirety of the house. Yeah. Not just one plane. I think they're trusting the builder as the expert builders. You know, there's a lot of them out there that are experts in building, but they're not the experts in the design, especially the decision making in the design. Most of the time when that happens, I'm going to say they're paying more attention to budget than they are to the design, unfortunately.

7:06So this goes out to the builders and the developers. Go ahead and save yourself some money. Instead of putting that little sticker on the front face of that, make it more solid. Just use one material and it'll look more expensive and you'll be able to get a higher dollar on it. it's gonna look way better way better and and all those homeowners are gonna be so happy that's probably for like all of the average homes out there right yeah getting into that first home or maybe it's your first new build I think that advice is good for that um this advice this next advice we're going to talk about window grids we're taking you inside of a project that we're working on right now in Texas and this is a dream home so this is not your starter home but this advice is good for any home yes this could be your first home this could be a remodel so we just wanted to pay this forward as we were working on this project before we got we forgot to say it out loud so sue show them the difference that window grids can make in a project yes kate grids are important especially if architecturally your style of home should have a grid right so we're working on this home and the client the architect was just like we're going to forego the grids just because we don't want to block the views and when we got brought on to the project we're just like oh no no no we need grids okay and so the client the style that the client wants do you want to talk about what style the home is it's traditional it's art and vo so you do have a lot of details and so to have no grids would be a real disruption to what's happening on the interior but it needed grids and the house the scale of it the client often I think people don't understand the scale of a home yeah their home when they're building so when you understand the scale the grid even taking a tape measure and saying I still see my view you can add the detail these are the details that matter so for these were some of the exterior the north stars for this kind of what they wanted the home to look like all of these have grids if there's any way for you guys to watch this podcast this is this is so dramatic so you can see this on Spotify and YouTube anyway I just think the visuals here will absolutely it'll change the way you think and the way you look at other exteriors.

9:11I can't not look at grids anymore because I'm like the proportion of that grid's fantastic or darn it, they didn't do a study. Guys, there's a pandemic going around in neighborhoods all around me that don't have grids. There's something happening. It must be a trend or something's happening where all the builders are talking all the clients into losing the grids for the view. Wait till you guys see the difference grids will make. Have you guys ever lost a view through a grid? No, never. To me, that argument is just invalid because I've seen plenty of views through gridded windows and it's totally fine.

9:42Absolutely. And even if you're a contemporary home, like there's certain grids that work for a contemporary home. All those things. There's a divide that can like really accentuate the architecture. Yep. The house just looks so much more expensive, charming. It looks rooted in history. Yeah. Thoughtful. Thoughtful, exactly. Okay, Sue, show them the visuals. This is the backyard overlooking the pool. You can see this gallery of window sliding doors that have zero grid. When I saw this and even the elevation guys, I couldn't find it, but it looks commercial when you see these large pieces of glazing without a grid.

10:21And so we went ahead and objected and really fought for this. And so we started to show them, OK, can we start to throw a grid in there? And you can see how much better this looks. Again, if you're listening, the first image has this entire wall of just glass, glass doors, no grids. The second one starts to show you how we break it up. And then we took just to really teach the client. We did some elevation studies that you can see on the screen showing the scale and height of this room. It's very, very large. And this is the height of our client. And so you can see when you start to lay out these different grids and these different ratios, you're not losing a view.

10:59And it's been one of the things that the client said, I'm so glad we fought for that. Because now that the house is framed, we're like really rolling, we're about to drywall. You can, the windows are in. You can really feel that detail. And it feels so much more expensive. And it feels so much more in tune with what they want this dream home to feel like. Yeah, and charming too. Yes, so charming. It doesn't look commercial. I'm not beating up on builders here. Are we? Maybe we are. Are you? Might be. Yeah, yeah. Keep going. But just put, add grids. It's not that much more expensive. And you know what?

11:30I honestly think you're going to find a buyer quicker if you do. Yeah. Because you know why? The house looks like home. It looks like that picture in your mind of what home looks like. And when someone's spending the most money they're ever going to spend in their entire life, they want it to feel like home. They want to feel something. It's weird how much grids give you a feeling of home. The clear story window gives you the feeling of a commercial space, right? the grid gives you the feeling of a residential space yep 100 amen amen okay all right so grids make sure you include that design detail okay next up front door again builders come on guys uh this is something i've been noticing a lot lately and this was not a thing when i was in the door business noticing in my neighborhood they're building all these new homes so it's a little frustrating when I drive past it.

12:24Everyone knows what a side light is. It is a like a glazed window that is next to your door. It's inside your door system, meaning it is in sits inside of your brick mold or your casing. I'm noticing a lot of builders that are just taking the wall next to a door and then they're just framing that out to add a window there and calling that a side light. And that is, I mean, to me, it might be the worst offender we're talking about all day on this podcast. If you're looking on your screen right now, this is what not to do. Nobody's proud of this image. We just found this on the internet to help illustrate what it is that Corey's talking about, which is this long skinny window that is framed in next to the door, not connected, not touching the door.

13:06The casings aren't touching. It's just this hanging chad of a thing that's not connected. Floating out on its own, doing who knows what. It's like the cricket punch. Yeah, exactly. He went and did that on the house. The way to tell is you can see the exterior finish in between the two. And side lights, we love a side light. Yes. First of all. Okay. Let's talk about, let's bear testimony of side lights. That is an overlooked design detail. The side light, also we love a transom. A transom. If you guys don't know what a transom is, it's that window that goes above the door system and side lights.

13:39And so you're really getting all this light pouring into your entryway. But you still can have a solid front door. and you can have the privacy of having a front door. This first slide that's on the page, this is actually my house. There you are, Jess. That's me. And I just always dreamed of having a side light that was art glass. I don't want to say stained glass because then you conjure up certain images that feel like a church or something like that. So I'm going to call it art glass, most of which is clear and textured. And then I have a couple little jewels, circular jewels in there. But I wanted to do that because I wanted the privacy, but I wanted to let light in.

14:15Oftentimes, if you have a side light, you're going to just have windows and anybody can stick their head in there and just see right into your house. And so I felt private enough that I wanted to do an art glass. And I love the charm that this added. So, but Corey, back over to you. Talk about the door system that we want to create in the Overlook design details. The side lights are next to her door and there's a mole post in between. so that whole thing is delivered on site as one and then it stood up into the hole and installed that way it's not the doors installed and then the side lights or vice versa it's all one system that goes in and that's how it needs to be again they are saving some money just building it into the wall because they have to build the wall anyway might as well throw a window in it right that's what they're thinking looks horrible yeah we're all pro side lights here needs to be in the door system.

15:06So encompassed and again, the casing or the brick mold and divided by divided from your door by a mold post. I love that. And what I'm also going to say, because I was pulling images, images of side lights, art glass and all those things. If you're not watching, make sure you go and just like zoom in and pay attention to what Jess did. It is so beautiful. And it is very, very rare to see a more modern take on this art glass. You can find a lot of bohemian glass or gypsy glass or stained glass. And these things that are like arts and crafts, you know, where they'll start to deliver that stained glass look.

15:36If you want that colored glass, that moment, I think that hers is a really great one to study if you want to embark on this. Oh, thanks. So yeah, that's really nice. High five. Yeah. And speaking of art glass, we're going to be showing you one of Suze's favorite entries. But first we wanted to show you one more image that includes a transom. That's this whole door system that Corey's talking about. This has a Dutch door. So cute guys. This is just from, you grabbed this from online. I don't know whose work this is. It kind of looks like Steven Gambrill or something, but It's a fantastic example of what to do in a beautiful two-story entry.

16:07You can see the staircase coming down. But love, love, love this Dutch door. Love the hardware. Love the side lights. Love the transom. The transom is going to be a part of that door system. It's not just going to be a hole in the wall above the door. It's a part of that. So it all feels cohesive together and not like broken apart in bits. Yeah. One fun thing, like looking at your door versus this other door, is this other door has grids in it. has like a little thing that again makes it feel like home yours has natural leaded breaks in it because it's art glass you do need some breakup in it instead of just having just again it'll start to look commercial if you just have a panel of glass that's just solid yeah think about it those are the details we're talking about so also let me just say this if you're gonna be embarking into building a home I think it's very important to research front doors and figure out what you want like if you were to save an image like this and bring this as your slide deck to your architect and say, I've always wanted a transom.

17:01I brought to my architect and said, I've always wanted art glass side lights. And I brought different doors that I loved. And we made sure to incorporate this into the drawing so that I got the right type of door. Because otherwise, left to your own devices, the architect might've just given me double doors or might've given me a single door. Maybe he didn't give me a side light, maybe he did. It's all just like rolling the dice with whatever your architect thinks. I mean, hopefully you're getting a really, really charming highly skilled art you know just somebody that has all of these charming details in them but maybe you don't and so i just think of the front door as the face of the house this is your first contact with it you want to pay attention to this detail k-pop demon hunters haja boys breakfast meal and huntrix meal have just dropped at mcdonald's they're calling this a battle for the fans what do you say to that roomie it's not a battle so glad the saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

17:55It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor. No, really. Stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. Participate in McDonald's while supplies last. This is another advice about working with an architect or even a builder. If you think it in your head and you're like, should I say this? Just say it. Get it out on the table. because I think sometimes as humans, we're like, oh, they're probably thinking about it. If you have that thought, honestly, I would say most of the time, the other person was not thinking about it when I've had that thought.

18:31And I've been like, oh, I should have said something when I had the chance. Because you're going to be paying the architect to drop the wrong door for you anyway. And then you're going to have to do a change order to drop that. Oh, I should have given you this door. I'm so sorry you drove that one. Exactly. Yeah. Might as well just do it right the first time. Yeah. Just go in fully loaded. Yep. Our architecture professor at USU. And he's like, I'm not saying this in an arrogant asshole way. I'm just saying when you're talking to anybody, and this is how you deliver information in your drawings, this is how you talk to the builder, to the architect, just talk like you're talking to the dumbest person.

19:04Yes. Explain everything. That doesn't mean they're dumb. That doesn't mean you're a jerk. It's just like really like communications. What is it? Clarity is kindness. Communication is everything. Don't drop anything. So I love that we're saying this out loud. Also, the design is the details. Yeah. And so we're in the details. every single detail of getting it right for the client or for ourselves in this instance with mine. And so every single little tiny detail that lights you up inside, that's what you're giving to the architect because he's going to be like, okay, this girl loves the details.

19:35I should probably show her this little thing that I can do under the stairs or I should show her that, you know what I mean? I also feel like the level of care will go up inside of him because he sees how much you care he or she right yeah yeah and they'll ask you if they know that you are that particular they're going to ask you hey before I do this thing do you have any thoughts on this that hopefully is the kind of builder you have that is asking for those things if you haven't delivered it to them yeah again speaking up is going to set the precedent of everyone speaking up yep so this next slide is one that I've had on my board for years and I want to do this however to do art glass and transom this is what it would be it's not a lot in the south it's i feel like they called it their gypsy glass or bohemian glass anyway it's kind of like where they used old depression wear create these things it reminds me of quilt blocks so colorful so pretty that extra tall transom because you've got that probably like 16 or 16 foot ceiling so you can do that really tall transom that's so charming soon that's so you someday okay your transom needs to be wider or taller, depending upon how you're talking about it, than your side lines.

20:40As wide or wider than your side lines. Don't do a teeny sliver up there. Equal width. Yes. Good call out. Not to mention, get a good handset. Your hardware should be great. Yes. All the door hardware. You're going to get the door knocker. I have a mail slot in my door, even though the mailman doesn't bring me my mail. I just wanted all the hardware. Just in case though. I have the big brass handset. Well, you know, people like to open it and scream into my entryway because she doesn't have a she doesn't have a doorbell guys i don't have a doorbell because i want them to use the knocker i know i'm like talk about authentic charming i'm gonna use the mail slot next time i come like that's how you get her attention it's right use the fox door knocker yeah anyway do all of that that is definitely an overlooked design detail is door hardware we'll get into that and maybe a future series now we've entered we've gone through the front door we're in the entry we want to talk a little bit about that landing spot what is the flooring there because you can oftentimes architects are saying do you want to run the hardwood floor through or do you want to do something different when able we're always going to want to do a funky little tile layout just because it can say so much about what the client what their friends what their family are going to experience throughout the rest of the house like it can dictate so much style so many style points I think by that tile I will say this the tile floor in the entryways become a signature of all of our work at ALID.

21:58We don't use the same pattern, but we always take a moment to do some sort of beautiful natural stone using variations of multiple stones. We come up with patterns in CAD that we can make simple cuts to for the installer to give our client their own custom marble entryway. And the entry's not huge, but something about being able to click onto a stone entry just sets that space apart as being special. The rest of the main floor is probably going to be hardwood. Don't bring that hardwood into the entry. This is your moment to shine, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get it right. And so we wanted to show you a couple of four entryways that we've done.

22:35The show stone floors, and then we're going to talk about thresholds. I'm going to say this with the function of it. That's going to last longer than your hardwood floor is going to, bringing in water and mud and all of that stuff. Yes. We're in Utah, but even in like California, any of those spots, rain happens. Kids happen. It's a lot easier to wipe up a tile than it is too as far as like scrub the grout between your planks all right this first one is from Rachel Parcell's house this is in her entry and she's very traditional but I love this combination it feels rooted in history we've seen this floor pattern when we've gone to Europe and that was what she wanted we kind of like really dug into her north star what was her spirit animal via a tile this was it yeah so I'll say this too this isn't always we'll usually throw these floor patterns on the diagonal on the 45 degree diagonal lines are space expanding so if you have a small entry and you want to do a stone tile throwing that on a 45 degree angle is going to pull those diagonal lines and make it feel bigger but also it's going to make it feel special from the hardwood floors that are going to start after and they're all going to be straights right so consider that or do a pattern that has some diagonal lines in it yep one thing i just want to point out when able, we usually will always try and do a border.

23:50So this one has a really good example of that border. That's really, and especially when you have cased openings into other larger rooms, a border identifies it, kind of creates like a rug moment for that tile, gives you a good like start and stop. So don't negate the border. Also key note here, this is often what separates the goods from the greats is if they forget borders on their tile moments, then it feels like maybe it's the designer's first job and they didn't know to set it off with a border. It's just one of those defining details of great work to me. Yeah. So as a charming detail, since that's what this podcast is all about, borders, use them in your bathrooms, use them in your entryway.

24:31Whenever you're doing a tile moment, get that border in there. I think they help to find a stopping point too. Yeah. You know, it's, that doesn't feel like it's just water falling into whatever the next, you know, flooring finishes of the adjacent room. Yeah. It's like the threshold in the doorway exactly yeah okay I love that speaking of borders transitions and this next one this is from our Manchester home which they didn't have a huge entry but we did want to make it a moment it almost feels more like a vestibule it was which this is kind of an English home and so that vestibule would make sense so just the vestibule portion is tiled with this beautiful marble and it's so fun because this is a quite a tall vestibule when you go in there so to just kind of feel special and you have like the entry door and then you have another set of doors all with grids and then you have this like darling pattern happening below I just think I thought that this was a really really fun one if you go to that project in our portfolio go peek at that and zoom in because the pattern of it the client there's green tile there's dark tile there's just so many good tones in here and the pattern really did feel almost like a quilt it was so beautiful this next one if you haven't listened to our master class on our Highland Manor project go listen because we show some befores of this entry it was the yellow brick road of weirdness okay but we were able to really define the space and give her an entry because we added the tile with the border yes oh just really define that space and those columns all hit and um it's just the before and afters are so dramatic but really beautiful and on design motifs this circle if you go listen to that master class and if you kind of stare at little details throughout that project that circular motif is a detail that you'll see throughout.

26:11This final one is a project on the portfolio called Coastal Contemporary. This was something, we've talked about this project, and the client, the husband actually had always wanted black and white checkered floors. His aunt had black and white checkered floors, and he'd look up to her, and she had fake eyelashes, and he just thought she was the most sophisticated thing. And so he'd always wanted them, and now in this new build was finally his chance to get them. So we took a spin on a black and white check, but we didn't want it to be so on the nose. And we came up with this and I think it turned out really, really fashionable and really set off the entryway.

26:46It's a moment. This is over a decade old too. Yeah, this is probably 12 years old and it's just so cool. Yeah. Such a great project. So don't forget the tile. Now we're going to go into a question, a listener question. I'm from Karen. Yeah. Karen wanted to know, how do you decide which direction to run the hardwood flooring? Do you ever change direction in adjacent rooms or hallways, like running the kitchen one way and then the hallway another? This was a great, great question, Karen. And I thought it'd be best to show you via a plan. Usually when I look at a plan, there's obvious things. I don't want it to look like railroad tracks, be running short distances.

27:25I'm always going to try and make it go the long way. That doesn't always work depending on like the adjacent rooms. And so really kind of understanding what is happening in each room will help you identify what and where that direction should lay. So in this home that we're going to show you right here, this is just the entry portion of a home that we did probably about 10 years ago. And it shows you coming through the entry right here. Actually, Susan, I'm just going to really quick call something out. So if you're able to see the screen, this is an example of what we're going to do on every project.

27:56We're going to give them what we call a flooring schedule so that you can see that the builder can see everybody working on the project can see whether it be the tile layer, whether it be the hardwood floor installer, that they can see the direction that we intend for the hardwood floor to go. You want to have a flooring schedule. You want to have tile drawings. You don't want to have this be a surprise to you ever, but you can also see just how thoughtful this is. And you can see overall that the hardwood flooring runs one direction throughout the whole house, right? Except for when we do a special herringbone pattern in the family room.

28:30Back over to you, Sue. Okay. Yep. You can kind of see just like Jess was saying, you come in on this entry tile. So you get that moment and there's like real, real clear definition points with the doorways, but we do call that out with a border. And that's like with the wood thresholds. Then you can see on those rooms to the right and left, we have just hardwood. Those are both running the same direction. And then in front of you, we have a herringbone. So because it's a specialty flooring, a hardwood flooring, we did border that out. So it kind of called some attention to that detail. So that's really important.

29:02On all your thresholds, you make sure that there's some type of border, a start and start from what's happening in one room to the next room. And so this is just a great example of, you know, those thresholds. Another great example in this floor plan that I think is really, really fun, Karen, that if you have these moments, I would suggest this is a great detail, is you have the opportunity to do little details in vestibules with your hardwood, okay? So you can see in two of these spots on this floor plan, we have almost this quarter turned, Not a concentric rectangle, but. The room is quartered, and then each quarter is the hardwood floor is ran on a bias.

29:36Yes. Look at that. I'm going to show you a picture of it right here. This is a picture of this tile flooring installed in the entry. And then it shows, again, some of these details with the hardwood on these little moments that become the most memorable. You could have ran that straight to just follow the direction it was happening in the next room, but this makes it so much more interesting. It's pattern on pattern right there. It is pattern on pattern. Thank you, Corey. Anyway, but they do become just like the highlights. So they're details that should not go missed. If you have a pocket where you can identify something cool, do it.

30:08Try to find those moments in your like aerial view of your plans where you can create little things like that. And if you do, they're really going to become some of your favorite parts of your home, I think. I remember that in my home. I had you guys look at it and you're like, oh, you should run that tile for your powder out to here. And really looking at it, that's one of my favorite things. And people remark on it all the time when they come into my home. Good. That's awesome. These flooring details, they're not going to go unnoticed. They're attached to the house. They make it feel really well built.