Overlooked Design Details: Mouldings, Casing, & Finish Work

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1:00Alice Lane:Welcome to Dear Alice. Today is another episode of Overlooked Design Details. This was our new series that while we've been out in the field working on these projects, we're like, we got to make sure and pay this forward to the listeners because there are so many times that the little things get looked over and we wanted to share those somewhere. So lucky you. I know. That's what will take your home next level. I will say that those details, they're small but it's like stuff you're already going to have a baseboard make sure it's the right baseboard make sure you have the best profile I love it get into it yeah finish work is the icing on the cake and today's episode is all about stairs and finish work you're going to become best friends with your finish worker you're going to bring him a treat after lunch you're going to find out all of his favorite things because you're going to be spending some time with him on the house and this also is a really fun time during the build I feel like is it actually starts to really look like a house instead of a construction project when these layers are going on.

1:59Alice Lane:I also want to say, if you don't have the moldings of your dreams, it's not too late. You can always add it, even though your home is finished. I was just staring in my entry the other day and I thought, that's so interesting. I didn't do any crown molding. Of course, I was more transitional at the time and more casual. And now we're kind of getting more formal and high glossing walls and I could totally just add crown molding absolutely to my foyer so you can all do this if you don't already have it anytime in your life you can get to know a finished worker or get a great one and start to add the icing on the cake as we're calling it yeah and I'll say with any style of home that you're in whether it's transitional modern really traditional you can like implement these tricks because it's just the profile changes but the height and the detail you're just inviting it to the home and so I cannot wait to show you all of our examples and this topic was sparked by a listener question from Andrea she asked I love listening and watching your podcast so much it's so inspiring and I learn so much every time could you all do a podcast about different types of trim and millwork and what profiles are classic a couple things that we're no longer doing and that is the straight flat stock yeah and the shaker moldings it probably goes without saying I just wanted to hurry and say that's what we're not doing and what you're going to see us get into is more decorative there's more layers to stacking different moldings and a lot of different types and so we're going to go in and define some of those and show you lots of examples from our projects you might be sitting with a shaker doors like your entry and even just like the flat stock on your baseboard you can add on to that so that is what's so exciting yeah put an applied molding on that or stack something on top of it so just to help define some of these molding profiles.

3:44Andrea, you asked what makes a just moldings in general classic. Honestly, on most of our projects, I noticed when I looked at the baseboard details, we have a couple different components. You have the top portion, which is what's just called the baseboard, and then you have base moldings or toppers that you can put on top of it. So whether you're just buying one full piece, the thing that is consistent is that it's a nice tall piece, more flat on that bottom portion with some type of detail on the top. So be that if you're traditional, you're going to have a few more curves. You're going to have more steppings.

4:16If you want to be really tall, you can stack these. If you are more minimal, I know that for your transitional home, yours was a little bit more strict, but you still had detail. Yeah. For a transitional home.

4:27Alice Lane:Yeah. There were like three different levels of depth to it, even though they were all straights and I didn't have any OG edges, which are those sort of S shaped curves. So when you are looking at your catalogs or working with your finish worker, that's the thing that I think is the most successful with a baseboard is if they're tall, if that straight portion has some nice height. And I'll say we're usually around the six to eight is our average baseboard height in most of our homes. So take that and then you get to kind of cake decorate it on the top with whatever molding you are based on the kind of home that you're in or want to live in, right?

4:59Here are a couple examples on the screen. If you're watching this on Spotify or YouTube. We have some examples from projects showing you kind of successful baseboards in homes, what we've done. And the fun thing with the finish work game is we usually pick our base mold first. And then for your casings that go around your windows, your door jams, all those things, that is like a baby sister to what the baseboard is. And so you kind of want to start with what is my profile? What is the personality of all my finished work? And I think that starts with your baseboard. That's how we've always done it.

5:29So I think that's a great tip for

5:31Alice Lane:you guys to employ are you running that everywhere in the house same profile yeah okay yeah sometimes in more formal areas we'll stack it we'll have like here's the one for the whole house but we're going to exaggerate the height in the dining room because we're going to also add paneling to this and we want it to be a little bit higher but we'll usually use the same dna for that base and then kind of build from there so makes sense and i think it's just like nice i think the uniformity of feeling that feels really nice in a home and the eye loves to see repetition so i think that moldings is a really great way to do that.

6:00Here are a couple examples. Jess, let's talk about this first one.

6:03Alice Lane:Yeah, this is in my primary bath, but this base mold runs throughout my entire home. No edits or changes. And then we just cut off that bottom piece of stock. It was one big knife, but you can see that step closest to the floor. We cut that off and use the rest for window casings and door casings. Love that. Yeah. So really simple stepping detail. Like we said, more transitional, no s curves i still love it today and it's been 10 or 11 years since we've done it i actually wouldn't add anything to it like i wouldn't add any more moldings on top i probably would add some crown mold details like i talked about earlier to some of the ceilings yeah i love that okay this next concept photo that we're not concept actually installation photo we're looking at is from our boston project you guys we're going to be referencing this a lot today just because no one did it like they did in the past i'll tell you that much this brownstone that we just finished installing we don't have professional pictures of it yet but it was built in 1808 and they 1808 that's not 1908 that's 1808 1808 you guys the original moldings from it that's crazy isn't that wild yeah we completely like refigured rooms in this whole home but the moldings we really paid attention to what did they do the dining room became the kitchen the kitchen became a party pantry but those base moldings and those I don't know that historic touch like we needed to keep that going through in some spaces we cleaned it up a little bit but overall it nods back to the historic nature of the home which I love the level of moldings in this home it could be a master class and it's fun that we just came off this install last week because it's so fresh on everybody's minds and just the level of of care and craftsmanship that people took and I don't think that these there was many machines doing this if these are all hand tooled there some of them are plaster moldings that had to be recreated with plaster and then obviously the spaces that we did and created our own moldings and details for it just so much of that level of care was in the house and so you had to keep it going just to keep up with what they did in 1808 yeah which is crazy because like we were barely a country then we're like 32 we just got here from england yeah and then we're making all of this and that's that's nuts to me extraordinary look I mean they made things with their hands back then there wasn't a lot of industrial you know didn't happen yet so people were like these were craftsmen that were making these and the thing that I love the most there's a scene in the entry that we're going to show you is that molding on top of molding on top of molding and I think we'd feel like almost too disciplined oh you can't do that with that and you can't do that with that but then you see it all together and you're like why not you know whoever did this had to have worked for the king or something because the the level is just so so ornate and so special yeah this was not for the common man this house was not created for somebody common there are just these interesting historic nuggets that we've learned we're going to be talking about stairs a little bit but at the bottom the main entry stairs has instead of a big newel post it kind of swirls around and then there's this little spot it's not like a big ball you know sitting there but it's this little eye of ivory eye that we took out during the whole construction because we didn't want to lose it but that meant that you paid off your home oh interesting that fascinating so even in the finished work even in the ivory little eye that sits in the middle of this world yeah yeah meant you know it was it was part of like as a status symbol that you owned your home outright which I thought was fascinating that is fascinating we've departed from that era a little bit back then there was so much thoughtfulness that went into a home.

9:39Alice Lane:Yeah. We need to bring that back a little bit more. And yeah. It's fun that we're in this era of moldings. And yeah, I also wanted to say really quick, moldings isn't something that you learn in school. This is something that you have to pick up in the trades and talking with people. Maybe your architect has a particular hand. There's a gentleman works here in Salt Lake that was schooled in Oxford in England in architecture. And he has a great knowledge of moldings and I had said to him hey will you come in and just do a meeting for our team just about moldings so if you are an interior designer you might need to learn about moldings and the trades and one of the ways that we love to do it also is just by studying great work and being able to show concept photos doing our own drawings for heights and scales and creating bands and rhythms and everything but when it actually comes to stacking which pieces go together you're going to really want to take a meeting with your finished work because you're putting this together like a puzzle on site and it's very much like you build it while you're flying it yeah kind of a thing so I just wanted to say that out loud if you're a designer and you're like I don't know why I didn't get taught the moldings portion of this we haven't needed to know a great deal about moldings always in design it was so casual over a decade ago where flat stock was the base mold and was the casing yeah for such a long time and shaker was the door style for for the kitchen cabinetry and if that's been the practice and now you're moving into these more traditional high decorating times you're like whoa where's the playbook on all of the moldings because that's what we're doing right now you can get educated from you know people that you know obviously great finish workers and staring at great work i don't know would you add anything to that suz lean on their expertise but i think having concept images we'll draw the rhythms but having an image will go so far when you're talking to the actual trades people that are building this oh you do it like this you're actually going to need to use this kind of profile to catch the height of this molding coming intersecting here and what's really really fun I love this part of the project probably because it constitutes drawing is when they draw it on the walls or they map it out on the walls because you can understand the scale and you can make adjustments from there actually I want to see that little tiny detail molding I want to drop that a little bit lower and I want to line up with this window grid so don't be afraid to like draw on your walls truly because the finished worker good ones usually do that they'll map it all out which is such a fun exercise finish workers follow suit as well you know what i mean oh it's so true when you find a good one make them cookies yeah yeah be so kind to them more detail the better and i love this area that we're in so so good um obviously we love detail all these concepts that are pictures that we're showing you right now have a lot of different layers let's hop into this one from boston what i love about this one too is that they actually have a plinth that catches that window casing that integrates with the baseboard height.

12:29I think that's such a great detail to have on your actual door casings as well as like these window casings because you can see that they also did a panel underneath that window rhythm that the baseboard ties into.

12:42Alice Lane:Yes a plinth sits vertically at the bottom of either your casing around a window or a door and then your casing runs into the top of it and your base runs into the side of it. Yes I just love that detail. We're painted light neutral in here but the texture of those molding pieces is so interesting, especially when you're experiencing it live. It feels historic and it feels really paid attention to. So I love this example. Don't ignore that detail. Probably back then it was like the miter was really hard. So creating like a stopping point for both moldings was just easier. It's like, let's just create something new to do it.

13:18Alice Lane:You know, let's ground it. And I don't, and I don't feel like you see it as much anymore. No. Because we are mitering so much. Yeah, so it feels historical, like Suze was saying. When you do see this detail, it feels special. Yeah, I feel like all the projects that we're drawing up right now have these, you know, whether it's traditional, but even in the more transitional contemporary ones where it's a little bit more straight and then it has like a curve. And anyway, there's just so many different applications that you can do this with regardless of the style of home that you're in. And it's a detail that really does not go unnoticed.

13:50Yep. It's amazing. So anyway, high five Boston. More of that to come. This next one's from our Capitol Heights and this just kind of employed that same trick that I talked about of just that height that we're continually seeing with a little bit of curve. This was also this was in Washington, D.C. So we did want to have some historic nature. And so it was a little bit more curved because these were new spaces that we needed to make sure to talk to the old spaces. So just make sure. I think that that's really a good thing with all these details and finishes is to understand what is your house on the outside?

14:22Where are you? You know, because these are the bones. These are still part of the bones of the house. And you need to, I think, speak back. Don't go rogue. I think speak back to the architecture. If you're in a contemporary mid-century house, you're probably not going to have some of these details. Stacked molding and profiles, yeah. But research what that looks like because there's details that famous architects and famous buildings have employed that you should make sure you're paying attention to those to make your house stand out. Yeah, amen. Okay, this is our Linden Art Manor. and in this whole entry we have like a wainscoting that ties into this door casing i just want to really highlight the door casing that it was the sister companion to the base mold which again wasn't complicated but again kind of knowing what you know the hill that you're dying on i'm gonna have blue and i want to be a bold color maybe you go a little bit more simple on your mold you know but know your hero know what the whole personality of the house is again going back to architecture at the home.

15:17Alice Lane:Yeah. Yeah. And then when you're picking out base and case, the profile will have a number. Typically they'll sign it. So it'll be like 304B is the base. And then 304C is the companion case. Different types of paneling that you can do. 10, 15, 20 years ago, I think we got used to just like the applied molding just over drywall. I don't consider that paneling. That's again, just an applied molding. So when we say paneling, we mean styles and rails that have been put onto a wall and then you're casing those with applied molding. So that's where really the paneling comes from. And in this case on the screen, it's a stain grade.

15:58Alice Lane:So there was even paneling put on top of that and then case in styles and rails. It's more expensive paneling that we're talking about. It'll either be a raised panel or the actual center panel will like be raised and then it'll kind of graduate out with your trim moldings or it'll be a sunken panel where all that framework and the styling rails sit on top of that and so you do just feel like a really great depth relationship versus an applied molding which is throwing stick moldings on your drywall and calling it a day i think that's the easy way to it but right now it's you know we're getting into the ooey gooeyness of this and that's what's in what's popping i know it's also what will stay in totally historically i don't think anybody's ever looked at this and been like yep that dates you you know i think the It feels like 1808 to me.

16:41There's so much here. And the finished workers that do this type of work are really good at their craft. Really, really good at their craft. And it's such a beautiful thing to watch. So these are a couple images that we have on the screen from our Desert Oaks project in Odessa. We don't have professional photography of it yet. It's coming up soon. But this was just in-process pictures. First one, looking at different stain options. But I just thought it was so interesting to see that with a wood grain, like you said, there's a full wood panel. Then we're adding trim. and now this next picture where they're actually hanging drapery, I wanted you guys to see the profile where you can see where the panel sinks in and what projects out.

17:19And you have several different molding pieces that talk to each other to create those rhythms. So I think it's so beautiful whether you're doing it really tall or whether you are just doing a wainscoting. It's just stunning. If you can do it in stain grade, high five.

17:32Alice Lane:Yeah. How tall are these ceilings? Like 12 feet probably? one thing that catches my eye is that there are three different panels stacked on top of each other to get that hype yeah so you don't want to just do one smaller one on bottom and then the rest of the length to the top yeah there's a divide up there that's like probably three quarters or two thirds of the way up and that I think is needed in probably anything higher like anything from 10 to 12 you have to have that third panel up there or it just looks too awkward yeah It probably goes without saying, but we're never, ever, ever going to cut a wall in half.

18:08Alice Lane:It's always going to be in odd numbers. And you're going to create bands and rhythms within this. And usually there's a line within the architecture that's happening anyway. We'll go into that more in the next set of images, how to divide these up. So yeah, in this instance, you can see the top of the doorway and that sort of portal that you walk through to get to the stairs. That is the line that we used for our first molding break. And you can also see how it kind of ties in with actual the steel doors happening throughout this whole gallery of the parlor, which again, it's just it's so beautiful and it feels so intentional.

18:42And you don't you assume that this home has existed for, you know, 200 years, honestly, since 1808. Yeah, like they do.

18:50Alice Lane:So the advice there would be just to pay attention to the the architecture that's there and the stopping points and lines that that's creating itself. The architect isn't going to have already drawn this in for us. And so that's the study that we're going to do as we're staring at the rooms is trying to find this line work that we can start. We can have starting places and stopping places. And we're just really playing with those lines in CAD to start to create these millwork drawings to be able to hand off to the finished workers. And you're selecting your windows and you're designing your doors usually before this design happens.

19:28So you understand what my window grid is why and so you can really be intentional with where those bands are happening We have a few different videos kind of showing you Everything it's just so pretty amazing. It's so beautiful. So yeah, don't ignore the paneling now on the screen We're looking at our Berkshire Hall project here in Utah, which this was a feat These are massive massive volumes that we were dealing with and a client loves tradition from the East Coast and really want to make sure that it felt like something that he grew up in and felt like true to his upbringing and hers also. So I remember when we were doing these drawings.

20:08Oh, my gosh, let's add another band. Oh, my gosh, we're going to do another band.

20:10Alice Lane:Yeah, so if you can't see this right now, this is a two-story family room, but we can see the second-story loft, and you can see that floor line. And so we created a rhythm that is a really beautiful— I don't even know what that molding would be called in the book. It's not a fluting. A concave fluting that you see like in traditional architecture and columns and things. You usually see sometimes fluting happens when you're just scalloped outward or inward. These are actually carved. Like separated flutes. Channels. Exactly. Like sink in from the surface layer. This one feels like a master class.

20:45Alice Lane:We actually just came from here this morning where we were shooting this project. And the family love America. They love the White House. They love these beautiful grand traditional spaces. They love England. they love Scotland and this was a real pure project it was actually a remodel if you can believe it and they did not have this level of finished work so two stories of not much going on is a pretty empty desert and today it looks like I mean this was a work in progress we don't have photos yet but you can see on the screen just how beautiful this study of just rhythms and molding and banding takes place and you can see the play that it has with the floor level up above and also with the breaks between the windows and I just think this is a master class in molding and paneling.

21:29Yeah it's interesting though I can think of all the different homes that I've been in throughout the years where they do have that big two-story building it is the open space concept and they feel so cold I'm like this room is massive and there's a lot of seating groups but because you have that texture on the walls you don't feel so lost and empty there's something about having that woodwork happening in those rhythms carrying from top to bottom that really make the space feel like home.

21:54Alice Lane:There's like a whole conversation that's happening in that space because of all of the vibrato and all of the line work. And it's just something to just sort of sit in a chair and just stare at it. So beautiful. It turned out really, really lovely and just really great craftsmen to be able to pull this off. Yeah. Slow clap for those finished workers right there. They're the best. They're the absolute best. When you have a design like this, these pieces of molding just coming in long strips and you have to know which what goes on the wall first they were piles yeah during construction that's a complicated one so i mean amazing job to you guys for designing it and yeah having a team to be able to see that vision through is amazing one thing that i love too if when you get a chance to look at these if you're not with these bands and these breaks mix it up you don't have to keep it off that molding and i think that that what separates the good from the grates is when you can have some of these decorative pieces which places we love to look for those pieces are deckwood if you go online look at deckwood they have such great stick molds and things to apply to this type of look decorum moldings is also a really really great one so those are two really great decorative websites to be inspired by honestly they have so many great things they might be in groups called chair rail or pencil molding too so it's just molding that can run horizontally through your space yep okay we're back in boston again you guys this one's fun because this is all new all the molding on this one is new so again speaking back to some of the more traditional things that we've seen in the space we took notes from their baseboard to continue some of those lines and then one thing because the the family and the couple that occupy this primary bedroom they're so fun and they're young and they're hip you kind of had it bounce this historic moment where we have like some tissue pinks happening but then when it came to the paneling we didn't want to do just a stack of two and we're like what would be a little bit more young approach and it was to do the solid panel on top of the base i love i love love love how this turned out because you do go in there you still feel like you're in the same home but there's just a relief i think too without you know sometimes if it gets too much if it's a more restful place you don't want to get too nervous so sometimes it's good to just chill it out a little bit go for something more it's kind of a hush to this and this is a bedroom if you're seeing it on screen you can see there's a full wall panel sue remind me what the height ceiling heights are in this space i'm gonna say we're 10 10 feet and so we have gosh probably like an eight foot panel in between that is wallpapered with is it looks like a silky grass cloth jeffries just beautiful and it's this pretty shade of tissue pink like sue said and it gives kind of a boutique or bedroom feel and there's a softness to it is historic to you definitely definitely so beautiful I love also we don't talk a lot about it but door casings or I should say cased openings yeah that's another place to go for it so in my own home going into my living room or into my office I don't have doors on those rooms but big huge cased openings and that's a place to really go for it on your millwork and I love it here I know there's pocket doors in these casings but it just reads like one big cased opening with beautiful arcuated corners here which also just feel so historical really really special so don't forget your cased openings i think that's always a missed opportunity when they just use like the base mold stock around that and or just drywall it and don't yeah bring any attention to it i love the interior profiles too how there's a real chance to hit that with panels yeah that you create a portal you know to be able to go through an experience in new space and it gives you gorgeous termination points for wallpaper or a new feeling that you might want in that room.

25:42I love that you talked about the portal because a lot of times that means that those spaces where those big cased openings are, you're going to want to double frame those to thicken up the wall. Yes. And that's when you can do those interior, the jam molds basically, to really welcome you into a space. And when you see the thickness of walls and that finished work built up, this is a really established home.

26:01Alice Lane:Also, speaking of double framing, but if you'll double frame those exterior walls then you can get those big fat window juicy sills especially like or just at least do it in your kitchen you know you could like grow herbs on those big sills and and if you will throw marble the countertop material in the sills that's another overlooked design detail since today is all about the overlooked design details yeah the double framing is a good trick a couple other things and from this home i just want to point out is this band too that we ran kind of like that fluted scallop trim detail that kind of chases around up at the crown mold area it's kind of like just that base you know it's above the window so you don't have room for like a full panel or anything so you have to just kind of like embellish with you know a really great molding so we found this amazing detail that has this large scallop and then instead just again because we wanted it to feel a little bit more young we did a really exaggerated cove and just kind of make it feel like it's pillowing on top of you Guys, the cove.

26:57Alice Lane:Right. The cove. And also back to the architecture of that arcuated corner through that portal just speaks that cove language up on the ceiling. It's just, it is so soft and pillowy and just takes the edge off of a room. And you get so much credit for this. I was going to say, yeah, this is an instance where there is one large panel, but you paid attention to where the wall meets the ceiling. So had you left that out, that's going to feel lame. you know and because of that exaggerated we didn't do anything else on the ceiling aside from the lights you could another design detail not in this picture that people don't consider all the time especially coming from where we've been is the ceiling medallion i'll love a ceiling okay i don't know if i have any examples in here but like in our desert oaks project we have some really really great ones and when you gloss those girls up oh snap yeah that's your ceiling treatment yeah yeah totally a ceiling medallion is a decorative piece of molding that goes up that typically a light fixture hangs in the middle of it holds that light fixture yeah a real wedding cake moment yeah i mean you did high gloss those ceilings though that's what i was gonna take i was just like if you're not gonna do a ceiling treatment with moldings at least pay attention to your shame because i don't want to feel flat paint up there yeah at all i want that glossy because i want to see the light reflect off of it i want to see my reflection exactly yeah okay a couple other things when we're talking about paneling and what to do you can leave it you know painted but we love to add a texture or wallpaper and so this is another example from our Windsor Manor in their living room parlor area where we did again a really interesting rhythm of paneling but on the interior of that main large panel you see a really like thin fluted texture it's a tiny tiny tiny micro read and it's just it's so fun to just like break up the space and again make it feel a little bit cozier at that line and then you feel the volume happening up there in a really a smaller ratio but I just when we think of paneling we don't think of these sort of micro textures like this thin reeded detail going full height and so it's just such a fun space to come in and experience because of that rhythm and that texture you usually just see great big rhythms in moldings and this kind of gave it some really fine line work almost like a harp you know this is a really beautiful special classical space did you know they have a harp in the corner no yes oh my gosh wow it is like heartstrings don't you think yeah you guys were channeling that no and again this space isn't big the footprint of the space isn't large so to fill those textures just makes it feel so special it makes it feel really paid attention to again design details not to ignore to make a small space feel grand and then this one is from our manchester house and just shows again a grass cloth within that panel so again you still have the kind of the style rails but we just i love hitting the interior of the panel it's a great trick with a grass cloth guys it's a great overlook design detail it sure is okay okay back to boston this one's really really fun this one is more of an applied molding detail to create this rhythm and the whole room has this paneling if you're not watching we're looking at a picture of this really beautiful navy peacock colored wall that has four blocked panels stacked and it goes throughout the whole room.

30:16The reason we did that is because we didn't want to see any doorways. So we actually applied these because they have a doorway to their primary bath. They have a doorway to the hallway. They have two closet doors. And it was just when you look at it on plan, you're like, that has so many doors to deal with. How can we dissolve those lines a little bit? And it was to do a trick like this.

30:32Alice Lane:That's what I would say is the exception for the applied molding. If you have flat stock doors to apply a molding on top of that, kind of give that some depth or on a soffit that your cabinet's butting into i love that you like added molding to that to give it some detail and yeah so it doesn't go away we'll get to the fact that some of those panels open up but can we just talk about the crown mold i think this is one of my favorites in the whole house but the thing i love the very most is this band that catches right above the window of these actual circles block circle block circle block and it just creates the most interesting rhythm of I feel very planetary about it almost like modern planetary genius person it'll be like the phases of the moon or something exactly it feels smart but it feels cleaned up it feels modern this client he's very fun he's a dj but then he also he works in business and he just has so many different personalities we're like how do we encapsulate who this guy is in this space and it was to do was to do a glossy crock on the ceiling which you'll see yeah but also to have a really interesting rhythm that just felt as interesting as he is was that molding there or all this was new okay cool don't miss the detail make it feel historic but do it in a way that represents the person this is exactly that speaking of overlooked design details i've never met anybody that doesn't love a hidden door i swear there's one in every project right now this is no exception you're looking at it on the screen right now you're like what is happening sue tell them what we were able to capture not a huge space but he he's like i really would love to have a kind of bar moment we don't really have room to hold a whole wall bar you know in the space if you want a desk or chairs so we figured out this this little trick that within all those not it's not even everyone it's just special ones that have you touch latch it open it pops open and it actually has depth to hold liquor bottles um or trophies or whatever he wants to display in here cups so then those squared moldings sue was saying that there's four panel that they were able to capture within the cavity of the wall there was depth back there so they actually even added the depth into it to make sure we have room so you framed in front of it okay in order to capture it yeah and so they were able to make it so that you can touch touch latch and open up the panels and then if you're looking on screen you can see there's a shelf in some of them some of them the panel folds down to create a top where you could serve drinks there this is just so fun and just I don't know I don't even know just like next level I cannot wait for his guests to you know to discover that he offers them a drink and they're like oh no it's okay you'll have to go to the kitchen he's like no I got it right here yeah no my favorite is in this bottom left you see like this one that does flip down like you said for a tabletop because we have two Jimmy Martin chairs that are like this cheetah that just sit there and you pop that open there's little scotch glasses that you put there and he can just serve his guests this is his dream it's it's the very best it's just rad to have a little secret you know what i mean and then and then you just yeah and you like let someone in on it and then like they're in the know you know what i mean yeah there's always room within a framed wall to have a secret door there's room under the stairs room behind a bookcase i there's so many of these little secrets within each project now that it's been like so fun we could do a book on secret It's such a treat.

33:53Yeah. And I will say there's not a better treat that's not color blocked on the inside. It's so much fun to open that. If it was blue, I'd be like, that's nice. That's fun. The fact that it's like this bright orangey color is every. And you reference it back, the Jimmy Martin armrests have that same orange. And so you see these little, I don't know, these little Easter eggs. Yeah. These little overlooked design details. Oh my gosh. Thank you for showing up with us. Exactly.

34:18Alice Lane:I would say in every house, if you study the framing of it or talk to your builder, if you're building, that there are little cavities that are just going to be drywalled over. And if you can think of something interesting to do that, I mean, that's going to be something that you remark on. I've got one. Okay, go. I've got one. So in 2018, we had a parade home called Tiger Oak. And the client said, I want to be able to hide a box of tampons in the potty closet. Nobody needs to see that. It always bothered her. and bright green sure yeah it's always so ugly so stupid sport mode um and so sure enough within the cavity of the wall they were able to create a this little tiny flipper door that opened up and it was even wallpaper to match the wallpaper you had no idea it was there but there was like a cute little tiny knob where just a box of tampons would fit whenever she needed them they'd be in there but not everybody needed to know about it everybody can do that yeah yeah just room there's room in every interior framed wall yep get creative talk to your builder you know what even right now there's probably a cavity somewhere probably don't go doing it yourself yeah hire someone you know what i mean because there is electricity and like water running through your walls and whatnot so how fun would that be to have something like that it's super cool it's the best also i'm just gonna give a little like a quick little shout out be mysterious about it with all these finished work details well we should do a lighting design details lighting wise oh yeah let's do it okay anyway okay i mean would you guys tune in for that yeah i guess we'll do it if you want it comment comment if you yeah you want design details overlooked in the lighting sector yeah all right okay i just needed to share this this is the stack that this is like the cake piping this is in the entry of the boston project that i just i can never get over this view this is the gift with purchase that they received when they purchased this home they sure did and all of these moldings were just all adorning this beautiful beautiful project how did they do that back then that's insane i know and if you see this whole staircase which we'll get to you do feel like miranda presley on double wars product like we kept saying that i felt like the little girls at the top and be come up here but it's it's just so beautiful and you can even see how simple the balustrades are on the stair railings just the rhythm of them the repetition of them over five stories feeling that detail and then filling each of these cased openings and the cool thing about this space is there's arcuated walls so feeling that curve throughout the design details of the whole home you see that in like the arches you see that in the radiuses you see that everywhere because they did not they did not hold in 1808 i'll tell you that but my favorite thing and isn't this interesting because if i were looking at an elevation of this i would look again we're looking at pictures of this space and so really tune in for these ones because these are gooey you see like the vertical on this door casing happening here you don't see it over here because it catches at that wall yeah and i think if i were looking at that on cat i'd be like oh that's kind of a bummer but they just went ahead and added more moldings we're gonna call it okay but my my favorite favorite is you have this column kind of separating the entry from that stair hall from the kitchen in the next family room they put this little opening and on the interior of that top park they did a greek key molding on a curve the structure of like the geometry of that on a curve i can't even imagine they had to just like go in and hand chisel that yeah i don't know any molding they didn't have flexible moldings back then they sure didn't even just like the fluting a really beautiful like i don't know creation of space you really feel like you're in the entry even though these doorways several doorways are to your left and in front of you with you know the addition of molding it's insane it's so beautiful how about that little flower petal that's just chasing those curves stop it i swear that that's metal it feels like it's metal or something because you just feel like the negative space happening between each pedal and how it wraps that curve yes you know that these guys worked on the castle yeah where they before they caught that boat to america settled here in boston they earned that little horn eye at the center i wouldn't know how to do that these days if someone asked me i'd be like yeah i don't know this is a master's class of finish work ask your finish worker if he can do that i hope he can but i'm every builder if i showed him this they'd be like yeah exactly but but also say is find decorative details and employ them however you can be on your crown banding above your baseboards um we're actually doing a home up in washington where they have the same casing and base molds but they have three children they have two girls and a boy and we've picked out like a different little trim to go around their door opening so like one has a tulip one has a little bead one has the boy has like a little bit more geometry so you can become really personal where it's not like an obvious thing but they're the treats they're the treats and the details that you get to enjoy I love this whole space those handcrafted details that take a lot of time yeah you usually can customize those and I think you should I know even this is a design detail so I feel like it's worth stating but we work often with Jennifer Gracie from Gracie Papers to create custom murals and all of those can be customized and I remember there's like a little bird the initials of a child and there's a butterfly with the initials and then there's a you know another little one for the boy and because people are hand crafting these elements they're going to be putting in the custom mill work you can choose the little details that speak to you you can't do that in a home that's you know been mass created but if you are working for a custom home a custom remodel you might as well choose those special little details because everybody goes crazy for them create those custom little hidden doors because you can you know you're building this this thing the hard way you know one material at a time and I just can't say enough for the overlooked design details how they will bring you so much joy in the build but also living in the home and you'll find that it's part of your story to point those things out to your guests and your kids to their friends and it'll forever be a part of your story it's worth getting right totally agree here's one more of that boston i just wanted you to see that stacked base molding right there get down now it integrates also these sunken panels on this arcway off of the entry door anyway master class it's a master class beautiful okay on the screen you'll see just when you're looking at these catalogs for your own home so you don't miss any of these design details you'll see this was i think was i can't remember if it was decoro or deckwood they have a category of strip moldings they have a category of pediments which is so fun and they're the one on the screen is a little bit more formal but they have they have one with a bow that has curved ribbon that's molded out of wood i'm like oh i have to use that someday once you see it you're like where can i use it because it's so so great and it's such a memory point so be curious look at these and just see where it takes you look at it with your finished worker and say where could i employ this and get you both working on it yeah honestly it's been the glory of this last year i will say that all the projects are getting really really fun as we introduce some of these details that you guys should do love it i love that so much you guys our memorial day sale is going on right now it's 20 off site wide make sure and check that out at alice lane home and there's a gift with purchase which is our large tote with a purchase of over 250 or more and be sure and follow us on instagram we're at alice lane home for the store side and then the interior design side where we're working on all these great projects with moldings that we got to show you today that instagram handle is at alice lane interiors so make sure and follow us there so you can see the behind 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