Transform Your Closet: Expert Interior Design Tips

0:28Kayak gets my flight, hotel, and rental car right. everyone. Welcome to Dear Alice. Today we are doing another one of our Transform Your series. Today is all about the closet. We've done a transform your kitchen, your bathroom, your bedroom. For some reason you guys are loving these so we're going to keep it going with transform your closet today. We're going to start with some of the easy things that all of us can do to our closet to transform it and then we're going to get into more the deep end. If you're going to be undergoing a closet renovation or if you're doing a new build some of those tricks we just want to pay all of this forward but in the beginning we want to start kind of light because we don't want to exclude any of us that maybe aren't going to undergo a closet transformation but want to still make it great yep yeah so I think a real hallmark of ALID has been closets I'd like to think so right yeah I think we started kind of early on working with some influencers which were really known for closets and this is when we started seeing the closet become the size of primary bedrooms and real true hard-working dressing rooms if you will and we've just been able to give them personalities and really a ton of functions and it's become the dream of so many to get to do this the fun thing is when we talk to real estate experts and things people look at the closet people are looking at the primary closet when they're like considering homes.

1:53If it has everything, it's the kitchen, it's the primary bath, and it's the closet, making sure is this something that they're going to have to undergo? Or did the previous owner grab that guest bedroom adjacent to my bedroom and create a really great closet situation? So anyway, we know it's important and everybody has them. So regardless of how small or big your closet is, I think this is going to be really, really fun to hopefully help you just enjoy the beauty that can become your closet. I think a lot of times we're like, okay, this is just a space, you know and it's just it feels like a chore because that's where you're folding your laundry and that's where you're putting it away but if it's decorated in such a way that it feels like you and feels like something you'd wear then it becomes really exciting to be in and so that's what we get to dive into today yeah and what a fun way to start your day in a beautiful ritual right of a beautiful dressing room or closet or even your tiny one if there's a beautiful ritual to it and ending your day that way too I just feel like you feel so put together in your brain I like that you said ritual because I do think that that is part of our rhythms of how we begin and we end our days.

2:56And if it is beautiful, even if you play just one of these things, it won't be so much more enjoyable. Yeah. That part of your day. Yeah. Closets matter. Closets matter. Yes. Cross stitch that. Okay, so let's get into it for the closet. So first steps, these are the small updates that you can make. For this, Suze, you had a couple tips with taking inventory of your own things. I think so. And I think this is like whether you're going to be doing a big one or just your small one. I think it's fun to just take inventory of what is going in your closet and make sure you love everything that's going to go inside your closet.

3:29I think as you, as we talk to people and we're trying to identify their style in this North Star, we ask them, what are your favorite things? And what I qualify those favorite things are is things that, yeah, you could have just bought it, but also things that you've had that have never been cut when you've gone through. Okay, I can look in my closet and be like, I've had you for a long time, but I love you. So that says something about that piece and something that my eyeballs and my body loves about that piece. And so I think when you look at those things, it will help you make other decisions and be really confident on what you're going to be putting in your closet.

4:02You love everything in there. So tonight, go through your closet. Have one of your girlfriends come over. I think it was, was it? Oh, gosh, Amy Poehler on Good Hang. She had a guest on. Gosh, dang it. It was the I Love LA Girl. and they said that they have these try-on parties she's just like and whether you're with your by yourself if you're not comfortable around other people it's good to just do it by yourself because you might be embarrassed but if you do have a close friend or someone that can come over it's so fun you're gonna get a glass of wine you're gonna put on some great music and you're gonna act like it's your runway and you're gonna try things on and y 'all are gonna be like abruptly honest with each other and be like that's gotta go toss it keep that one you look smoking that's such a fun again ritual to again kind of jump start who you are and who you want to be what holes you have in your wardrobe gosh i look smoking hot in that dress uh-huh the most beautiful woman in the world i need more of that style yes it's just such a confidence builder and you'll be more confident in your decision making i love that make room for new things yes yeah yeah which is my favorite i love getting rid of stuff yeah because then i'm just like look at all those gaps now i need more of the thing that i want somebody was saying about the the new year that actually the shedding of the snake yes yep um that that actually is just barely ending february 17th is like technically when the new yeah less than a month ago the year of the horse started so we're saying it's okay if you're still shedding a little bit shut off that old closet and make way for the year of the fire horse yep confidence walk into that new situation in all your best fits your closet will make you so happy if you don't have all of that that dead weight in there just taking up space and confusing you.

5:40And we all have that stuff. I mean, I can think of things right now that I just go past every single day and I'll, and I never wear it because it does, I don't get stoked about it. So I should really just, yeah, throw that away. I'm not stoked. Yep. Get something else. Like you said, great advice. I also think if you have somebody to give it to, like I have a sister-in-law, I give a lot of things to, or my daughters and they love it, then I don't feel so bad about getting rid of it. Um, or I donate it to the DI here in Utah, but if there's something about giving it to somebody in real life that's so stoked for your bags yeah it makes it a little bit easier to shed that skin i'm always going to try and suffer him and i keep this shirt he's just like yeah it's a fine shirt whatever but it's not your last shirt you're gonna get a new shirt that you're gonna like better get rid of it freed me you know that's permission that'll like for you yes exactly exactly it's okay good i like inventory so you're gonna do that and then when you are say you i don't know we don't want to probably go deep into the things but The other good thing about getting your inventory is you understand how many shoes you have, how many dresses you have, things that are long hang, things that are short hang, things that should be folded that maybe weren't folded before.

6:47When you do plan on going into construction mode, you can start to anticipate, I love a dress. I'm going to need a lot of long hang. And so then you can start to reallocate that. We'll get into that a little bit more later. But anyway, but it is good to just start taking inventory. And it's kind of fun to count your shoes. I think so too. And you can also sort of reimagine, I mean, when we're getting ready to work with clients on a brand new closet, we do have them measure their long hang. That's the long dresses. They need to take up both the top space and the bottom space of that vertical line.

7:18So you measure the width of it? Linear feet, basically. Most people need short hang. A lot of short hang. Unless you're wearing a lot of gowns in Texas, there's a lot of long hang because they go to, it's high society and they have a lot of places to wear long gowns too. But most people are going to have short hang in their closets. So you would say, give me the linear feet of your long hang. We're going to solve for that in the closet. It's really pretty to have a long line as well. And those are usually really beautiful things to look at. So that could be a really pretty vantage point. Do you leave room for expansion?

7:48You know what? Guys will tell us, I have this, but I want to 2X this. Or I want to 5X this. Understand your goals. Again, when you inventory, you're going to start to understand them. And a lot of them are like, I'm a Dior gal. And I have so many of this one thing. And that will continue to be the case. So, you know, two, three X that because that's what I'm going to need. Speaking of expansion of the closet, there's also, which we've already said we don't love, but there's that third layer up top. So if you have a really tall ceiling, we're doing this in a new build right now where you will have the rod that you can pull down and get that short hang one more layer of it.

8:25And that's usually going to be like your seasonal items. Maybe it's your swimsuits or your ski coats or something like that. We want that third tier, but you don't need to access it on the daily. I have that and it's like stuff yeah like maybe like small like luggage and things that we have and hats that I never wear I don't have the pull down thing but so this is maybe a good spot to bring this up and like the small updates yeah yeah but I have an Odette that I use an Odette stool it's one of our products go check it out awesomehome.com but I have it and I use it all the time just to get up in that area because I took the cabinetry all the way to the ceiling which you should what's your ceiling height um nine feet yeah there so and you're not nine feet tall.

9:01I am not. Yeah. But you can get up there and you have the Odette stool. Exactly. And it's stable and it's not scary. And you know what else is great about the Odette is you can sit on it and pull your boots on. I do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. And you can hide your slippers under it. I do that too. I don't do that. Slipper storage. Yeah. It's amazing. I love the Odette. I will say one thing about that third, that third level, like the third party best, right? is that I, if they don't have to have it, I don't love it. Okay. Because I'd rather have an Odette, have the third level because you always have.

9:34Have the third level that shelves. Yeah. Not a bar. Yeah. First option, third level that shelves. Something like display rad bags or, you know, just things that are actually pretty. Again, you don't need to access all the time, but it just looks lovely. And it's a little crown for all your clothes. when people do need that third level the thing that they don't consider is that you can't use the dead corners so in every closet like usually have a few corners that become dead corners if you have a pull-down bar and when I say dead corners you'd usually like take all your inside corners yes those inside corners where you can have neighboring cabinets meet up with each other I could have a shoe shelf and then I can still access that short hang or long hang on that dead corner that's perpendicular to the shoe shelf but the dead corner becomes obsolete if you're using those systems up high so yeah anyway just a little yeah it's practical okay every square inch counts in the closet it really does i mean for most of us listening to this podcast and talking on it we need every square inch right yeah that's great yep okay okay so you've taken inventory we know your long hang your short hang some of you can't do anything to change your situation some of you might be able to make updates and i even think reorganizing the closet maybe in your cubbies you're going to stack your denim or you're going to be like you know what I've heard that I should not be hanging sweaters knits should be folded I learned this from tan France when we did his closet he's like knits should be folded I'm like mine are all hanging on probably wire hangers where they're really going to get unraveled so maybe you're going to use those cubbies instead of I don't know what's in them right now bags or shoes maybe you're going to stack all your sweaters all your denim and then you're going to gain that space for short hang or long hang and really make sense of that and while we're talking hanging we've had closet experts come on before their favorite hanger is the thin velvet hanger amen I like the black one have you guys used anything I use kind of like a warm gray okay yeah it's a little bit lighter I have big beautiful coat hangers and I was putting a dress on one and it was my dress was slipping off of it because it was a silkier fabric but those velvet ones just keep everything gripped on yeah and then as you're pulling things in and out they stay the way they are they don't take up any space and while you're hanging things up if you will hang them light to dark and have everything facing the same direction have the chest face the left yeah all your t-shirts or the right whatever you decide and then same thing with your dresses go light to dark make sure the patterns are all in with that and then you're going to have the chest face the left on all of it something about having all the direction they say it's tits to the left yeah my mom was listening so i said the chest yeah that's okay my mom doesn't listen i'll say it's more catchy to say that um but yeah if you'll if you'll just orient everything in the same direction and light to dark it suddenly feels like a boutique in there these are like a light prada you are prada now yeah and then getting those cubbies reimagining the way that you're currently organized and even when you stack those sweaters starting with the dark ones and then heading up to the light ones.

12:35It just feels so chic and beautiful. Those are little tiny updates that you can make right now. I love that. Small closet, big closet is mirrors. I think mirrors are such a great way to update a closet in whatever asset you're in. It's a mandatory. You have to, are you just guessing going out? I know you guys, I just stayed at three hotels, three different cities in three weeks. Not one of those spaces had a floor mirror. Oh man. You got to stand on the bathtub. I'm just guessing. I know it's awkward. It's dangerous. I didn't feel safe there. Anyway, but I didn't have a single floor mirror. So in your own space, whether you have beautiful floor mirror in your room, like adjacent to your closet, or if it's in your closet, high five to you.

13:16Some of us don't have a lot of space. in my little house is I rethink how and right now again we haven't even touched my closets yet I'm on the slow dance of house building right but when I think about it what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make my doors mirror I'm gonna do them really really cool so I can free up my wall space or art but I think even in the closets where we have a full room it's really really great those if you have like an actual room for your closet to actually have some of those sliding doors to cover up maybe the not cute long hang and have those be faced with mirror. I think that's a really, really, really smart thing to do.

13:53Yeah. And we actually have some pictures on here. We have a picture of our Manchester house. And again, I love the scale of this closet. I think it's so great. And we did employ this trick of having this door and it's here on the left. We're going to put some additional images up here just so you can see that one door that was on a slide that you could move access what's behind there. So again, it's not swinging out. It's not occupying real estate that way, but there is that reflection and it's bouncing light around and you can always see what you're wearing yourself before you wreck yourself.

14:23What's the correct terminology when the door is on a, is it a glide? A track. A track. Yeah. So the door usually will use something like that in a pocket door, but you can do this in a closet on cabinetry by doing a track. Same thing. And the track can either, it will slide behind, the doors will slide behind each other to make one door or they can come out and make multiple doors. Yes. if they're on a track. So we love this to get a full length mirror in the closet, but it's also functioning as a door and it's hiding the long hang or short hang behind it. Absolutely. And on theirs, we just did one.

14:56We didn't have two that were interlocking. We just had one that could act as a floor mirror. It worked out so beautifully. But I think even like this one is a door. You could do that. Your actual doors open up into a closet. If it's a small one, I think that that's a great upgrade. If you have a shoe shelf, I love it when I see like antique mirror or mirror happening behind there that's cool too any time that we can add mirror it just makes the experience so much more glamorous and just sparkly and it feels fresh and it feels clean I agree one one little easy tip for those of you guys at home that have maybe a walk-in closet like I do I share one with my husband and on the back of our closet door we have we covered that whole thing in mirror so that might be something that you can do too what's nice about it is for me, my bedroom has my bathroom in between my closet and my bedroom.

15:44I do have a floor mirror all the way in my bedroom, but if I want to figure out my shoes, I'm closing that closet door and I'm just looking at it while I'm getting ready. So it's nice to have a floor mirror right there in the closet. And if you don't already have a mirror on the back of your door, that's an easy update you can make right now. We did Tan Francis in his last home. He took his attic and turned it into his closet. He had been collecting clothes and needed more space. I think he was occupying his own plus the guest bedrooms and just needed more space. And so this attic all pitches the ceiling.

16:14I think the wall heights were only two feet off the ground or maybe four feet on the other side, but most of it is just ceiling pitches. And so there's not much room to hang clothing. So we had to get really creative here. Or a floor mirror. There's nowhere to put a floor mirror. So we got creative here on the ascent up to the closet. We took the stair landing all the way up to the first pitch and totally covered it in mirrors with brass linings to get this really beautiful effect if you're looking at it. And then we were able to create a closet system coming off the wall. It gave us a little bit more height in there, but it gave us lots of room for shoe shelves.

16:52And then it gave us room for one long, two really long runs of shorthang for all of his leather jackets and denim and suits. And it was so handsome. So a really fun way to use space if you're needing more closet space and you have a tricky attic this is a fun one to look at and to see how to really lean into it he also has a really great valet area underneath the window who wouldn't want this to just the colognes and just all of the extra you know what do you call them cuff links and all of the extra things that men have to get dressed yeah and a window seat on the other end which is so beautiful this is a great lesson in what's perceived as unoccupiable space yeah how it can be utilized yes we did such a good job and the mirror just made that space feel like 10 times its size yes so and again just as glamorous as he is one other tip in this is a wallpapered space because we wallpapered all of the ceilings and the walls alike it made the ceiling pitches feel like walls it also gave it this sort of circus tent effect because you get all these diagonal stripes which felt like men's fashion and it also felt so british and i just felt like it was so on the nose for tan his favorite color is green it just made it feel like an experience going up there it didn't feel like an old attic space but rather a fashion pocket square outfit moment for just for tan that was my favorite space in his whole house me too yeah so i'm just like it's not fun that a little hidden gem those that are invited to come up get to see this yeah you You know you'd go up there more than just to plan an outfit.

18:26You'd be like, I'm going to sit on that little ottoman. That doom scroll up there. I'm sure. I want to be in that space. It's so good. Yeah. And again, it reflects when you do on the mirror trick. It reflects whatever's in front of it. So if you have a great chandelier, make sure that whatever it is reflecting is beautiful. Yes. Good point. But yeah, mirror is, I think, one of the best tips that anybody can employ in their closet. No matter where you are on your closet journey. Yeah. Yes. I just got a new comforter from Cozy Earth and it is my favorite new thing. You know how much I love to get into my bed.

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20:35Cause they have their certain set of hardware that you can do, which we have done in some, not as important, but you can upgrade those and do great poles. And I think that that makes it feel so much more elevated. and even in like her little girl's closet we had some extra slab remnant and we're like we should just use that on this one little part and just make it feel more lovely than it was so anyway there's always ways and we've done a couple of homes where we've done the closet system even in a primary closet and you just have to learn how to dress it up that's with hardware with lighting with mirror and with carpet little side note on the slab thing most manufacturers or countertop installers, if you use four and a half, they're charging you for five.

21:17So if you're building, find a spot, use that extra half. I think that's a great, yeah. And we asked you, he was like, well, how much is that going to cost? We asked the builder, he's just like$600. For$600, your daughter can have a gorgeous slab that matches her bathroom. You're going to do it. That's right. That's amazing. So anyway, such a hot tip. I think in addition to hardware, beautiful light fixtures, we are doing a lot of tech lighting. And so that's the glowy light that you see when you're in a, you know, in Tom Ford, when you're in Dior. And when you see kind of hidden channels, they're just making everything glow and look like heaven has shown its beams.

21:51If you're watching on the screen right now, we have a men's closet that we did in Dallas. And this has the tech lighting that's underneath the cabinet shelves that shines down on the shoes. You can't see the light source, but you're like, whoa, this is a department store full of all my favorite things. that is my closet. And then same thing underneath the shirts and the ties and the pants, you have that thin light of recessed lighting that's in that channel. And it just looks so good. You don't even want to turn on any overhead lights. You just see all of your clothes, like glowing. It's so beautiful.

22:25One fun thing that we've been doing in some recent projects for most women's closets, they'll have like an island or peninsula that we're kind of dropping one kind of grand lighting moment a really beautiful chandelier something that feels expressive in a lot of men's closets we're doing this kind of glowy lighting in both but in men's closets they love this and instead of like one fixture there's a really fun thing about repetition so we've been doing know those mono points it gives a focus it's not just a can doing just like two two two and you kind of have a really organized rhythm that feels like very masculine very clean and edited and I really love that look too.

23:02Oh yeah. So it looks like you're in a Tom Ford store. So, so don't disregard the decoration in a closet, you know? So yeah. And a quick update for any of you to make that are feeling a little tired of your closet. Exactly. Yeah. Start with new hardware this month, you know, and then move to new lighting. Okay. And if you are so lucky to have an island, when you are doing your closet, let's talk about islands. Like I found like if you have the room to have an island or a peninsula, your closet, it feels so much more, I don't know. There's just like something so lovely about having a surface the island is usually where you have small drawers that have your accessories um we do a lot in most islands usually employs like some type of hamper system storage in the closets that we're designing but also drawers you can just make it look like a handsome bachelor chest yes in the center which i think is really really fantastic this is where you hide all of your underwear your socks your hosiery your pajamas all of those things that of course, won't be hung.

23:57I think it's great that you have a set of multiple sets of drawers for all of these things. Let's be honest, it's a room full of storage. And so some things you want hidden, other things are okay to be out. And this is all of the delicates and the hidden things. Yeah. Yeah. And the fun thing, the island's awesome because you get to go all the way around it. Lately, I have been doing more peninsulas just because it gives me more room. I'm around to just like maybe have a chair or an ottoman or something and like widen my pathways a little bit more to have that Odette stepstool and things like that.

24:27You have a peninsula, which I think is a really good use of space. So for those of you that might not know what we're talking about, so the peninsula is in it, like it's an attached island. So it's attached to one wall. So for my closet, my whole side is on the left. There's a peninsula in the middle, so an attached island. And then my husband's stuff is all on the right side. And on top of that peninsula, we ran a mirror from the slab all the way up to the ceiling. So that's a spot where I could put on a necklace or and our and our dressers drawers are they're sideways so mine faces my clothes his faces his clothes we share a top it's a great space to fold laundry to you know put jewelry on to uh it's just really nice to have to pack to yes yeah you could throw your suitcase up there and pack it's as good as an island it's just attached you get more floor space to to do more things and I feel like you're always for normal people we're more limited in our closet space I know in some of the large dressing rooms today they're not as limited but for most of us um square footage is a premium yeah if someone's like on the fence if they have enough room for an island like is what's the measurement for walkway like around it or what do you recommend well the minimum i still think is like three feet and again that's oh okay and i'm gonna say one thing really fast while we're like thinking about looking top down on your closet most architects don't only draw their cabinetry about 12 inches you need to cause a hanger you want like we always adjust that and we draw it to be 24 inches deep the hanger is about 18 inches but you have the back of the cabinetry the front face that lighting channel that you're gonna do so we just allot 20 24 inches from back to the front face of that nobody wants a hanger and a third of their clothes hanging out of their cabinetry yeah in a custom closet messy central yeah no good so if you have a four-foot island your room needs to be 14 feet wide because you got two three four three two yeah yeah okay and we have done long skinnies but sometimes when i see that i'm just interested in plundance because then we just have like a tiny little sliver and then we have all this pathway and it's just kind of wasted space it's like more in the way than useful exactly yeah it's a really really small island unto itself where a peninsula could look grander and you do want that generous feel because you've worked on everything else.

26:46You've got custom cabinetry, custom lighting, right? Slabs going in there. So yeah, you want to be able to create the illusion of grandness for that. Speaking of grand, we've got an island on the screen right now. This is a little trick we want to pay forward to you. Some of you, if you are going to undergo a closet renovation or working on a new home, and this was a request of our client and she's, she would go on probably two or three flights a week. So traveling was something that she had to do for her job. And she said, I need to be able to have my luggage stow under my island and I need to be able to have a shortened portion of my island where I can open up my luggage and then have it be the height of the rest of my island so I could fold clothes on the island and then pack right into it.

27:28So this was our solution what's on the screen right now. You can see a little alcove where she stored her carry-on luggage and then you can see that portion of the island that dipped down lower so she could open that luggage up to quickly pack and she had a system which was amazing while we're on here we'll mention at the end of the podcast she also was one of the first clients that we did that dry cleaning machine for those things are so rad the lg yeah because she says as soon as she would get off her flight and get home she would always fly in a blazer because she was cold she would take the blazer off anything on the outside and she would put it on the hanger put it right in the lg machine and let that get dry cleaned and then she would walk into her closet to dismantle all of her packing like she had a system down that's cool so if this sounds like your life where you travel a lot and you don't want to put your luggage up on that third shelf like you and I both have but we have the Odette to get it up and down then you want it on the main floor so it's easy access in and out and this system worked out great we're usually finding somewhere that is lower because people are just traveling more.

28:30A lot of times we're talking to her and she's like, actually, we're going to put luggage storage in my house. We're going to use his space and not take mine away. So that's also a key takeaway. So it is easier to grab. So going on a quick trip doesn't feel hard at that point. Okay. Moving on from islands. So let's get into the drawers, the cabinets and the shelving. When we're working with clients, they know generally if they're a closed storage person or if they're an open storage person. I myself am an open storage person. when I go into my closet, I just want to make decisions. I don't want to open up doors.

29:02I also don't have the luxury of a lot of space. So maybe if I did have a ton of clothes, maybe I would want those, some things clothes that I wasn't, that I weren't going to use every day. What are you seeing right now with clients? More now than ever, people have been requesting clothes or glass. They're loving the look of the glass doors. Now it's not on everything. It's on like specific walls where it makes sense um so not everything is going to be behind our shoe shelves that's always open like i don't think i put doors on shoe shelves it's mainly the things where they just like want to like stuff that's folded they don't want it to get dusty certain types of clothes they just don't want to deal with the dust and so with those clients we are employing the doors more than not so and it just again it feels tucked away it feels clean again we just did one I'm here in Orem and it's shared it's a large space but it's shared between husband and wife it's what saves their marriage because they don't have to get mad at each other because they have closed doors to basically hide away any mess that could potentially happen so anyway you know you just ask yourself would I want to have doors because I think you make a great point like when you go into a closet when you go into your pantry you're shopping and so sometimes putting doors it just like when we're already are so busy we're so busy right to have to open up doors to then get those things out to not have to close those doors to then open up the next bay of doors it's tricky also though we're talking about a dream space right now yeah yeah and so my practical brain is saying one thing but that's only because i have the normal closet that's not custom cabinetry even and so we i'm just used to the custom closet or the the closet i have and the pantry i have where i don't have to open up all these trap doors to try and find out what i want to make for dinner or to figure out my outfit but the closet today and the closet we're talking about is a dream space.

30:50And the projects we're working on are the dream jobs. And so it's fun to talk about how the other half live and what the dream is. And right now what the dream is for people is I love the idea of an airtight situation on my fancy clothes so I don't have to dust the shoulders off of my tuxedo. Am I right, Corey Place? Absolutely. You don't like dusting those shoulders off. Yeah. Another thing that you guys have probably seen on Pinterest and when you're in like luxury stores and things when they have glass doors and so you can see everything hanging there you see all the pretty clothes but then they'll have like a couple drawers inside the glass which is really cute we have been doing that quite a bit for your long opera gloves exactly

31:30all those things so anyway it's really fun and if you have the luxury having a big space and doing the dream closet it's a really beautiful trick yes anyway i love that they're usually like kind of set back too so you get like interesting dimensions of things that when you open it up it just feels like treasure chests and it's really really fun so anyway there's so many details of when you want things exposed again it just feels magical like something special back there yeah so so I love that and then you can do the solid door or the mirror door if you just want like that utility and something just to hide maybe the not cute ski clothes or something that you're constantly using yeah so during that season so Suze what's your take on the adjustable shoe shelf do you feel like in cabinetry that you're making it adjustable or are you figuring out the inventory and then making fixed shelves for the way that they live and for their collections young Suzanne would have said oh do it fixed and then always looks beautiful but I think how with how fast fashion goes even if you think you know yourself you're like I'm gonna be a ballet flat forever there will be a season when you're gonna want to you're that tall boot she's she's smoking I'm wearing wedges now I'm wearing wedges now anyway I think the flexibility of having the adjustable the adjustable shelves is really really smart and that's what we're usually specifying for shoes or even your sweaters and like those things it's just nice yeah so yeah i would adjust is it mostly like shelf pins or you ever use cleats cleats not usually in the closet it's not like a whole stream of just like dot dot dot dot yeah yeah that's like that's my issue with it yeah like a metal yeah metal little like tab or whatever to hold that shelf so anyway that's don't do it yeah if you're gonna do them don't do them every two inches or whatever i i hate looking into cabinets like that yeah because you're not going to be making that big of adjustments you like three in a row five at the max if you have a really tall system but three in a row i think is usually great that's awesome so yeah let's talk about a place to sit in the closet oh snap i also feel like that's like the ultimate luxury i want to say in any room we're just talking about this in a bathroom yeah if you had a chair in a bathroom i think it was when we were her in a house of flora yes all right backtrack go listen to that but she has a club chair in her bathroom and i'm like there's nothing more luxy yep than that and i will say in the dream closets yes we are making sure that there's room for not only her to sit but for him to sit you know your partner to be able to like sit and wait for you we had one client that she she just wanted a place to eat cake at the end of the day and she would hide into her her small little closet now but we were like we're manifesting this dream of a big closet so that she could have her clothes and she You could also go in and eat cake.

34:06Yes. So anyway, so I do think like not only to eat your cake, but to have a spot to sit down, put on your shoes, to take off your hosiery, to get the cowboy boots off. Yeah. All those things. Oh, yeah. Like it is just not safe and stable. Those legs swell at the end of the day. It doesn't. You need to really pull hard. Mama needs to sit down. She does. She'll fall over trying to get those things off. It's dangerous. Yeah. You need a chair. It's dangerous. Yeah. And an occasional chair in a beautiful fabric. It just looks so great in a closet. I love that. It feels impractical. like to put like a really pretty chair in a closet but I love yeah I love the ridiculousness of it we do a lot of actual benches you know underneath the window or you know if you don't need the dresser space built in on the end of the island we'll do that too which is really really smart and a good allocation of space but if you can float something even if you have that if you can float a rad little ottoman or a cool stool or something that just has some personality when I see that I'm just like go you I love a chair you need somewhere to sit I agree so does he yes so So last thing before we go, let's pay forward.

35:05Any appliance mentions that our closets are loving today inside their closet? Put the wash and dryer in his, the stackable, you know, so that we can just do our own laundry in our own sphere and don't have to go to the laundry room and share with others. So I do think a wash and dryer is nice. If you have the ability to do that, you can have it nearby in your closet. Go you. I do think that that is really, really nice. I will say that the LG steamer is so great. and they have them in two different sizes. There's more and more companies that are coming out with them, but LG is the one that our appliance experts, they recommend the most.

35:38And I think you can fit two or three articles of clothing in one and then four to five in the other one. So they're not big. They're pretty narrow. They're slim. But they're really just becoming a favorite appliance. The ice machine of the closet. If you don't have to go get your clothes dry cleaned. Or just steam them. That's 10 minutes I'd love to get back out of each day. It's crazy. And LG makes a steamer as well. And that's a separate appliance from the dry cleaning one. And we're also doing that in closets right now. Yeah. And have we heard back? Are people loving that? Yeah. Yeah. I think that would be so great.