Burnout

15:37Mark Fischbach:If it's spelled D-R-A-K-E, maybe. But if it's D-R-A-C, I feel like I would immediately go Drac. track ulysses la maybe we could not tell what you were going for when you were saying it to us so i wouldn't be so sure i'm rooting for you out there i'm rooting for you also i might think you're absolutely insane for doing that don't mind me i'm taking selfies the next episode without either

15:58Ethan Nestor:of our inputs is just gonna be like sponsored by gopro filmed entirely on gopro it's just mark's camera the whole time but it's him on can you live stream can i use this as a webcam yes you can you can do it wired for sure and i believe some of i only have a 10 so i don't know what the newest ones are i believe you could do it wirelessly if you because i have looked into using those as like the camera in the corner of my room or for like when mandy and i did cooking streams for a long time we did stream we used a gopro for that but we had it wired into a laptop it's very good oh i will look into that yeah i mean i'm i'm looking for a stream cam hey gopro I know how much you love working with Mark and how much you're supporting him.

16:35Ethan Nestor:If there's any splash off, you know, this camera could be a GoPro. It's just some webcam right now. You can look for an upgrade. Please, please, GoPro. I'm so, I will sell my soul and my audience. I've volunteered to sacrifice my audience for this. And, and my audience has been like, yeah, yeah, sacrifice me. And I don't want it that bad. But if you send me one, I'll probably use it. You've heard of Jonestown. Have you heard of Markiplier Town? Markville. Say that joke again, but in a Dracula voice.

17:07Mark Fischbach:You've heard of Jon's town, but have you heard of Mark of Lyatown? Take this GoPro and this cyanide pill, put them together and swallow.

17:16Ethan Nestor:You know what I fucking just realized you sound like? We might be about to say the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you heard? Oh, no, now I can't remember. What's it called? Dungeon suit? I don't know the name. Yeah, but it's like the vampires and the normal guy. You're talking about like the Dinglemyer. Yes. Dinglemyer, is that fucking holy father? I'm sorry, master. Stupid, stupid Dinklemeyer. Oh, I was thinking of there's some TV show with like the vampires and then there's one guy that's like their butler. I don't know the show because I only see clips of it on YouTube shorts. Are you talking about the show with Matt Barry, What We Do in the Shadows?

17:53Ethan Nestor:Yes, yes, yes. That's what we do in the shadows, yeah. That one also, very funny show.

17:57Mark Fischbach:No, well, pretty much, I don't have many unique voices. pretty much all the ones I do are impressions of something I've heard in the past. I mean, Dracula's got a kind of a baseline, right?

18:06Ethan Nestor:It just really hit this time that that's that voice because it's pretty dead on.

18:11Mark Fischbach:We still have not contacted Avengers. I want that Torbek.

18:14Ethan Nestor:No, no. I'm emailing with Andy. I'm emailing with Andy. I want to email with Andy. Andy reached out and was like, hey, thanks for the shout out. I will definitely I'll be happy to teach you the Torbek voice. And I was like, dude, that sounds sick. I am in emails with Andy From uh Who voices Torbeck on Legend of Well not voices Plays as Torbeck

18:36Mark Fischbach:We have cool jobs We get to talk to cool people We do cool things We do cool jobs It's very good You think the reason ghosts are I'm not gonna talk about it I'm done Alright I'm done talking about it I have no idea what you were just starting to ask Do you think ghosts are real? Is that what you said? No I was just saying like You know I look at the promo video of GoPro And they're so good at making those promo videos Cause they have so many talented people that are filming them and helping support it. And you think that the reason they don't want to support me is because I don't even know how to make cool shit like that.

19:06I don't go outside.

19:07Ethan Nestor:It's because I don't go outside.

19:09Mark Fischbach:It's because you don't snowboard, Mark. But imagine going through, I don't want to spoil anything in your movie, but imagine all of the blood, but GoPro vision going through it. That's the thing I have. I would have used it. We had the fuck it bucket. I haven't even talked about the fuck it bucket on set. We had the fuck it bucket, right? I might have. I mean, everyone, I guess, gets in the mood sometimes. I'm glad you had some stress relief on set. No, come on, man. Is that why we saw the white edit of Iron Lung? No! No!

19:39Ethan Nestor:Mark actually made that. That's just him. No, we had to. Well, because, okay, I don't know if I should. Mr. Fuck it, you put your balls in my tub. It's a very professional, very insurance company safe way of putting a red camera into a waterproof home depot bucket and so you have a home depot bucket and you put the camera in there with some kind of platform and then you get an acrylic dome and you glue it all up and you put it in the and so we had that this sounds awesome it was awesome i was super doubtful when it happened but the problem was because the camera's in the bucket and it's like sealed in there so to redo anything or or get it out of there it's like a whole process 30 minutes just to get it in and out even with like quick uh drying glue and stuff but once it's in there it's like let's go so difficult to do uh if i just had this for that shot specifically was like under the crawl space and like going there again i'm talking spoilers now i can talk about the movie and i'm gonna talk about the movie it's out it's available if you haven't seen it at this point that's on you or if you live in a country where it's not available because it's whatever so it would have been so nice to have something like this which is of a quality where it's like okay we can get this and this didn't exist then but it's like put this in the blood go through have a bunch of just these covers because cleaning the blood off of this even it's so sticky it like it leaves residue so it's like you just pop one of these off pop another like back on here or you just have another gopro off to the side ready to go and you and i even had like behind the scenes with gopro on that movie where there were some angles that it was getting where I was like, oh, if this footage was, oh my God, I was really debating using the footage for that.

21:23It would take a ton of cleanup for painting out the other people and the cameramen and all the other people standing behind the main camera. But, oh, it was very good.

21:32Mark Fischbach:I just want to reiterate for our audience, we are not sponsored by GoPro despite how hard it feels like we are. I don't even have like a coupon. I realize that I don't even have like a, hey, get 10 % off by using my code. I don't even have a code. I think Bob and I even have GoPro codes. You've got codes? How'd you get codes?

21:49Ethan Nestor:They just like us, I guess. I don't know if we're allowed to tell him about that, but yeah, it's fine. Everyone's in your boat, Mark. No one's more left out than you are. That's for sure. Well, we have GoPros in our boat. He's got Go Amateurs in his. Got him. Nah, that's not what you said. I'd like you to stick to what you said the first time around. Couldn't remember. You have to remind me. Nah, I'm pretty sure you remember. You remember.

22:11Mark Fischbach:Babe.

22:12Ethan Nestor:Do you actually not remember?

22:14Mark Fischbach:Oh, no. Jesus if I have a superpower it's that I can't remember much anything I require

22:21Ethan Nestor:you to refer to them as come amateurs from now on I said it already today come amateur no not from today from previous episodes it was a whole thing

22:30Mark Fischbach:we talked about thank God wasn't I thought it was today oh man that's pretty good when I should have remembered that yeah the audience loved it they were they thought it was very funny yeah what we're saying yeah we're not sponsored but mark wants us to be or he wants him to be and if there's some splashdown if If there's some trickle down sponsorship that drips onto you guys, that's fine. I'm okay with that.

22:49Ethan Nestor:Trickle on me, GoPro. Yeah.

22:52Mark Fischbach:We'll crouch down so we can get trickled on. Because you're short. Minus one. Shit, I forgot you were hosting. Because you're average. Can't be mad about that. Can't be mad. I'm done talking now. It'll be you guys' turn. and because Sam's sitting in the live edit control room just like I missed one I need my transparent head Wade head shaking gift to put over his uh all right since uh Wade is uh uh mean Bob you get to go first on how many different names did you think of that you didn't want to call me out loud I'm the nice one anyway it's not a very fair competition for you Wade um Let me get him this little stepping stool so we can get to my level.

23:43Yeah, I knew it was. I knew it was. I knew there was something coming. Minus another. Minus another.

23:48Ethan Nestor:It's going to be a close game except for Wade's negative 13 short joke points.

23:53Mark Fischbach:Mark, it's a really tall, above average stepping stool.

23:59Ethan Nestor:Isn't that worse? Shut up, Bob. All right, minus one more. Mike, keep it up, man. Extra tall stool. All right, I get to go first. Uh, well, it's hard for multiple reasons. It's hard for me to think of anything right now, except for the evening, not last evening, but the night before that I spent, honestly, probably the second most worried I've ever been about a person, which not for good reason. He was fine, but James was sick. We put James to bed Sunday night. We always turn the monitor on, right? And it's a video monitor so we can watch him. And he always just sort of sleeps. Sometimes he gets up and gets a drink or whatever he's very independent now i know i moaned a lot about how he had trouble sleeping when he was younger he's great now at sleeping he sleeps on his own he'll wake up and he'll like put it he'll soothe himself and get back to sleep it's awesome with the monitor on and it was like a normal sunday and we were kind of like whoo like got through the weekend had some fun times now we got to get ready monday tuesday we got a pack because we're going on this big trip lots to do uh we were putting it off over the weekend and like half an hour after James went down I heard like a weird Noise which happens but usually if I hear Something that I'm not 100 % sure what it Is like it's you know sounds he makes Every night when he sleeps I look And I pulled up the monitor and looked And it was like oh that's a weird It's like really shadowy That looks funny and then he sort of just Looks up and goes And I was like oh fuck Oh my god he had thrown Up but we get up there and If James watches this in the future I mean This in the nicest way possible oh god the smell man you just never get used to it like there i always was like man how do parents deal with that and the for me at least the truth is you don't get used to it poops always smell bad throw up always smells bad it really gets me but you don't have a choice he he threw up in his bed and he had it on himself and on his jammies and so i like i had to grab him and touch the throw up and get him to the bathroom.

26:00Ethan Nestor:It was rough. But it was like, okay, that's weird. This is out of nowhere. He wasn't sick today. He was totally happy. And we put him in the bath and got him cleaned up. And after a while of like, oh god, okay. Let's air it out. Let's change the sheets. He's in the bath and everything's great. He seems happy. He seems chill. I stand him up, get him out of the bath, start drying him off. And he's standing there in the bathroom with his towel around him. And he just looks up at me and goes like, into the towel, into my hands, onto the floor. He proceeded to throw up about every 15 minutes for the next four hours of the evening, which is a long time for that pattern to go on.

26:43Ethan Nestor:The first couple, obviously, we had just had dinner and then had the ice cream as a little treat and then gone to bed. Eventually, he was empty, but for several hours, he was totally empty. There was no food left. and still he would like i was holding him in the chair sitting with him and he would like lay down and just be like oh because he's fucking exhausted because it's horrific to throw up constantly and he's like passing out just like and i'm sitting there watching i'm making sure he's still breathing everything's good and every 15 minutes he just sits up and goes nothing comes out like just like bile like nothing is coming out misery and every time he throws up it's like I'm just holding him like so that whole night like I held him until he stopped throwing up which was like a little more than four hours maybe and actually Mandy swapped out for like the second half that's not fair but we were like crazy we were considering going to the ER and we were watching him like okay if he doesn't stop we're gonna have to go but it's the middle of the night right now it's gonna be traumatic experience for him if we have to take him especially if he's fine right when we were like okay we should go stopped he just chilled out and finally was like done but i i basically laid we put him in bed and i laid next to him the whole night just staring at him just being like because he likes to sleep on his back so i'm staring at him like don't sleep on your back and throw up in your sleep but like that's horrific don't you know if you do get sick i need to be here to help or try and catch it like i'm just laying there just staring at him like and then at some point i fell asleep at like six or seven in the morning for a bit.

28:22Ethan Nestor:And Mandy had gone and got tried to get some sleep in the bed so that at least one of us had some sleep for the next day. She got like three hours of sleep. And then he was fine. Yesterday, the whole day, we were like, what's happening? Is he sick? Is it a virus? Is it a what? He's fine. He woke up and was like, I'm thirsty. I'm hungry. And we were like, you know, let's go slow. Let's see what happens. Totally fine. Didn't throw up again. he did have some like dummy troubles uh but that's pretty normal otherwise he was like energetic and fine and confused why we weren't letting him eat food basically but jesus christ laying up all night staring at him wondering if he was okay trying to figure out what the fuck to do in the middle of the night that's uh i have not felt that kind of worry since uh james was born and mandy's uh c-section and everything that happened in the hospital was more stressful for me than her thankfully but like it's awful and like this is not the point but the whole time i kept my mind kept going back to like okay but imagine this but like you have a child who has like a terminal illness or a child who has like a chronic illness or something i don't know what people do not the point and not my experience but thanks to tiktok i see a lot of videos about kids who you know have different disorders diseases whatever i can't imagine it was one night for me and i felt like I was going to pass out from stress and he's fine.

29:48Ethan Nestor:And I shouldn't have been so worried because it was a long time of throwing up and he was fine. But like, God damn that now, now when TikTok shows me those videos, even more than before, I'm immediately just like, I can't, and I have to scroll or close TikTok or whatever, because I don't know what people do. I don't know that kind of, I don't know if it's a particular button for me that I don't handle very well, or if that's just how it feels for everyone but it's an actual nightmare to just be laying and it doesn't have to be a kid either i'm sure if you have a parent or sibling or anyone you know who's ill who you care that much about i cannot fucking imagine and it's exhausting and the the punchline of my story is he's totally fine he possibly had a stomach virus or maybe he's like lactose intolerant because he's never really liked milk or ice cream and he ate more ice cream than he ever has before which was like a small scoop of ice cream on sunday like so we put him to bed last night and it felt like we finally got him to bed after sunday night because all day we were like watching him and it was whatever put him in bed last night and was like okay well there's 24 hours gone uh in 24 hours from now we'll be on a plane to england better start packing and stuff i guess that's that's intense man good news is you got two points for that story was it worth do it again How much sadder does it need to be to get another point out of it Did I emphasize how much he was crying about how upset he was Okay you're getting a little uppity about this whole milking it thing So I'm like I'm just saying two points is pretty generous You're already in the lead so maybe don't push your luck Come on man Yeah man two points for a vomit story you got plenty I'll just let Wade beat himself that's fine Actually you know one funny thing that kept happening That was really funny in the moment compared to everything else he was i every time when i was holding him mandy was like going and we doing other stuff because we had two dogs in the house also he would like get sick whatever and i would text mandy to be like oh it happened again like can you you know whatever can you come help and he started sitting up and be like oh i'm gonna be sick are you gonna text mom hey siri text mandy because i because i I was using hands-free Siri to just be like, ah, no, not now, not now.

32:00Ethan Nestor:Stop, phone. Stop. Not you. But I was doing that because I was holding him. I was holding him, right? So I was like, hey, phone, text Mandy, help, or whatever. But so while he's being sick and I'm super worried, he just like pauses and is like, you should text Mandy. Are you going to text Mandy or do I? Weird. Wade I'll give you a point if you Shout out at the top of your lungs every call Out to every like listening voice From our listeners and tell them to buy Like a 55 gallon drum of lube You know what I mean He doesn't

32:36Mark Fischbach:Everybody out there we're taking a quick ad break here To let you all know that 55 gallon Drum bags of lube Are on sale and you can buy them right now Markiplier.com slash lube

32:47Ethan Nestor:I told you 100 % he didn't know what you meant Oh my god Did I do it? No! He wanted you to ask their Amazon Echoes to buy a 55 gallon drum of lube. Hey Alexa,

33:03Mark Fischbach:buy a 55 gallon drum of lube. Hey Siri, buy a 55 gallon drum of lube. Hey Tony in the corner that has my phone for some reason, buy a 55 gallon drum of lube. Mom, it's your son and or daughter. Buy me some lube. My birthday's coming up sometime in the next year.

33:20Ethan Nestor:I can't believe you left out Bigsby Hey Bigsby I don't drink coffee But I think you have lube too Isn't that the name of the Samsung guy Bigsby Wait I don't know Isn't that the one where they made It like a female avatar of it And then they had to like put her down Basically because the internet got too horny About it Galaxy AI Oh perhaps it's not Maybe Bixby is just demonstrating how old I am to people. Oh, that wasn't Bixby. It was a Samsung Sam. I don't know. We're not sponsored by them either. Last. All right, Wade, it's your turn.

34:02Mark Fischbach:Oh, where do I begin? Well, I guess you mentioned the burnout thing. So I guess I'll address the burnout thing. So Mark and I were talking. Bob wouldn't even call yet. Late. Somehow life has just been kind of rough here on the Barnes household for the last like six, seven months. a lot of people that watch my content outside of distractible i've talked about some of it on stream and whatnot but like without going into specifics we've had a lot of family health issues i've had a lot of personal health issues which has devolved into mental health issues i think which is what i think the palpitations in my chest were supposedly are which i don't know if i fully trust it but that's what they tell me so i'm gonna go with it so i get like i guess they're panic attacks i don't know for me it's just like randomly my heart goes like from zero to a thousand beats per second, especially whenever I'm laying down at night.

34:45Mark Fischbach:I'm like, oh man, time for sleep. And it's really fucking terrible. It's an awful feeling. But that's rolled over into my professional life where like, you know, I have fun making YouTube videos. I have fun streaming. I have fun doing the podcast. But like right now, everything in life just feels like, I really don't want to do that. I don't have any motivation to do that. And I'm guessing that, I mean, you know, I've gone through some phases of burnout throughout my career, but there's just been a big culmination of just being really tired my sleep hasn't been great the days are very just full and there's a lot of crap and i don't know i just uh margo said maybe i needed a vacation i think maybe that's true every vacation i've taken since our honeymoon has had some work component to it i just haven't had like a i'm actually not working or doing anything like you know molly and i are just getting away it's like you know i love hanging out with friends and family and stuff but we have not had a trip just the two of us actually getting away since our honeymoon and I feel like a lot of people probably do that but I don't even feel like I take days off like I won't stream for three or four days but those days are still filled with like meetings or you know tax conversations or going through emails going through dms and stuff because I work with like a management company for ads and sponsors and stuff for my my stuff and there's always something there's always something work related I never turn it off and I really feel like more than ever for the first time in a long time It's just really impacting me.

36:11Mark Fischbach:My focus is off. There have been some highlights. I mean, there's still games I enjoy playing. I recorded Blueprints again last night for a few hours, which is a game I still absolutely love. I've gone back to Diablo 2 for the first time in like 10 years, which I absolutely love. Dungeon Crawler Carl, you guys getting me to start reading that series. I just finished Parade of Horribles last night. I finished reading that. It wasn't like everything sucks and I'm like depressed or, you know, whatever. It's just physical health issues and then having people you care about going through physical health issues and a lot of that is really just mentally taxing like you were talking about the caregiver type stuff you know we were just raising money for St.

36:48Mark Fischbach:Jude May St. Jude does their play live every year so Molly had a campaign and I was joining her and we did some different campaigns to raise money for St. Jude which again not sponsored but shout out to them because whenever they're going whenever you're talking about someone like with a terminally ill child or people going through cancer stuff like that like I've gotten to go down and tour St. Jude's facilities a couple of times and seeing it feels like you're in a school more than a hospital. I know people are like, ew, school, but like school so much better than the feeling of being in a hospital.

37:14Mark Fischbach:And the kids down there genuinely seem like, you know, they're happy. They're enjoying life. They're living it to the fullest. And they're well taken care of. It removes a lot of the burdens from families and stuff. So people that are going through that kind of thing, I implore you to look into St. Jude or organizations like that. And I'm really happy to help fundraise for stuff like that. I'll be doing something for the American Heart Association here soon too. We have a lot of heart stuff in my family. So personal connections, everyone's gone through cancer and their family or friend. If someone knows someone, right?

37:39Mark Fischbach:Everyone knows someone that's gone through stuff like that. So it's nice being able to do things like that. It's nice being able to have the careers that we have. But I think we all go through burnout. And I'm just I'm just going through some phase of it right now, which sucks. But I've got this knee brace I was showing off earlier because I had messed up my knee playing basketball with my nephew like a month and a half ago. You all know I've got the slap tear in my shoulder. I've not had surgery on. apparently I've got a deviated septum and I started developing like panic attacks this year it's like those are all relatively minor health issues in the great maybe not palpitations if they're more than stress but I think they're just stress I can live with it the slap tear don't have to have surgery the knee it'll heal probably I'm on prednisone for 10 days and got the knee brace whatever so it's all minor for me but some of the stuff in my family is a little bit more severe I don't know it's just it's been taxing and uh it's been really hard to find motivation and I know people have it a lot worse than I do and that's not an excuse like you're allowed to be depressed even or you know have burnout even if you're not going through it as bad as someone else but it's still there's still an added pressure about it though it feels like I shouldn't for some reason which makes things even worse whenever you're like so-and-so's got it so much worse than I needed to buck up and then you can't buck up and it's like oh god I'm so pathetic I'm so weak i'm so like and you start beating yourself up even more about it it just exacerbates the situation and i've been going through cycles of that for about seven or eight months on and off just like since about october of last year it's just been like every week it's something and i was so at the end of the year i was like oh god thank god 2026 is almost here i am so done with 2025 and now hindsight i'm like 2025 come back we had it so good you and i i didn't know what i had i took you for granted i love you 2025 that's not good but i'll get over it i'll be fine it's just the thing I'm going through right now and I don't go into stuff like that too often publicly I don't know why I've always looked at my job as like I'm here to entertain but like more so it's whatever people kind of view my content as some people probably put stuff on that we do or I do to go to sleep some people turn it on for a laugh some people turn it on for community some people turn it on just to see specific games whatsoever it doesn't matter if you enjoy the content if you lurk if you chat if you comment whatever but my job is hey you're getting home from work you have your own problems you've had your own long day you're looking for something to watch or you know listen to and that's what I'm supposed to provide not sit here and bitch and moan about my own personal shit which I do occasionally sometimes but typically I try to keep all that separate and just give people something to enjoy during their free time because there's a lot of content to consume so for people to choose anything that we do like well I want you to enjoy it but however you enjoy it whatever you enjoy it for I want them to enjoy it but been a struggle it's been a struggle lately and again there's been some highs i went foaling you guys heard of foaling bob did you ever been foaling i have not no i know what it is yeah so friends mutual friends of ours invited us out to go foaling over the weekend which is basically like you take um okay what's the game call you throw the goddamn bean bags at the boards cornhole cornhole it's like a flat cornhole board which is just rectangle of wood on the ground you set up bowling pins on it you stand on opposite you've got two of these across from each other like in cornhole you have teams on opposite sides and you throw a football and try to knock over the bowling pins it was a lot of fun i shouldn't have done it my doctor literally two days before gave me an e-brace told me to take two weeks not do anything and then i went and threw football for an hour and now i was going pretty easy on it but they were plans i had in progress and i don't like canceling plans on people i was telling mark another problem of mine is i'm way too like people pleaser i have people pleaser running through my veins where I go out of my way for everyone, no matter what, at my own expense quite often.

41:18Mark Fischbach:And I, again, I had fun. I enjoyed it. I would love to do it again, but I really shouldn't have done it while my knees messed up. I don't know. Not to be depressing derailing. I hate, I hate being a downer, but it's a, it's been a time. Some of the health issues I think are going to resolve themselves and be fine both for myself and people around me. But some of them, I don't know. I just genuinely don't know how it's going to play out. I've got a couple of people in my life that are just getting up there in years and starting to show signs of I've got concerns. And I think just mortality itself has been a lot more present on my mind in the last half a year or so.

41:51Mark Fischbach:I've just had a lot more concerns and a lot of people around me are struggling. And whenever you were struggling and people around you were struggling and you're trying to lift them up, often what you end up doing is pushing yourself down further. I think that's what I've been doing, if I'm being honest. I mean, that's a lot to dump out. And you keep saying like, Oh, I'll get over it. Like, Oh, I'll be fine. And, but you were also saying like, Oh, you shouldn't have the buck up, you know, man, pull yourself up by the bootstraps mentality. Cause I mean, it's a, it's not nothing. The things you got going on, even if the job is to be an entertainer, I've definitely had plenty of times on this podcast where in the midst of all of it, uh, that people have not, and probably won't see of me blowing up for one reason or another and storming out of a recording session only to come back and be like, Oh man, it's real tough you know when that's the truth of it like it's just like man it's just really tough and i don't know how to deal with it and it'll blow up in some way or some form and that's not fair to the people around me you know it's uh but still it's like it's real you know i don't think you should be ashamed of that i don't think anybody should well and that's the funny thing about this

42:54Ethan Nestor:job i don't think we're going to edit that out of this episode but like the you know part of the thing about being entertaining is like you don't you don't have to exclusively be like that your entire life to make sure that what you're offering people when they're trying to like be entertained by your content is like that and it's probably actually good not to mark's point about just being the the lie of just be like no i'll be fine that works right until it doesn't right like i believe that you probably will be fine because you're pretty resilient and like things are going okay for you outside of the stressful stuff as far as i know but you can't just say that and brush it away i don't know if you specifically but like maybe you need to talk to someone i've certainly lately been feeling like maybe i need to talk to somebody and i put that as like the lowest possible priority just because like everything else everything around me uh is important what other people that i care about have going on is important having a kid he's pretty much top importance 24 7 regardless of how i feel or what's going on with me but like that doesn't mean that you never should take care of it and like again i'm not accusing you of anything which is a weird way to put it but i believe you probably do have it handled because it's just stuff that you're going through and i think i think most of it will resolve because i know some of what you're going through don't just assume that it's easy to just be like i'll be fine and then push it down But that's not always necessarily true.

44:24Ethan Nestor:And it's fine to go and talk to someone. It's healthy to do that. Talk to a friend or family or talk to someone professionally for whatever.

44:32Mark Fischbach:Truth is, I've done both. Last fall, I actually preemptively started going in and talking to, I guess, counselors is the proper term. I went in for just some counseling. It was more preemptive than anything because I felt the start of this even before the things that actually caused me to kind of fall off the cliff of the burnout feeling. we've been very fortunate that we've had success you know with podcasts you know our own channels and stuff like that over the years success is great but success also comes at different costs I've talked to my community about how like I miss it's really nice having like hundreds of people come and watch you know a live stream right I'm never going to complain about having people come hundreds or thousands or whatever it is but like there was also something nice about like that there's 10 people and we can I can chat with each of them get to know them like it's kind of a friend fields like hang out with friends and that vibe from content creation is pretty much gone now right because we just we've blown up to that point in personal lives too though people see success and you know a lot of them are happy for you and you know you know are nice about it but some people see it and they get jealous or they have their own things going on and they feel like they reach a point of desperation they have to reach out like you're doing well can you help me with this can you help me with that and that's kind of happened a lot lately you know the first time is one thing And then the 10th time one person does, it's like, okay, you're not wanting help.

45:47Mark Fischbach:You're wanting me to be your like sugar, whatever relationship it is, sugar friend, sugar. Sugar friend's definitely the thing. It's not, you know, friends, family, whatever it, people have done it and feeling some of my personal relationships change was bothering me. So I actually went in and I started talking about that last fall with somebody and we ended up working through some other stuff too. And I actually just finished a couple of months ago, you know, like this four to six month, like once a week chat, council session, whatever you want to call it. And it was helpful. But a lot of my life, I mean, I hearken back to when I was four years old and my parents first split up.

46:21Mark Fischbach:And I don't think anyone meant to put me under pressure. But my grandparents, my mom, my dad, they would ask like, hey, who do you want to go spend time with this weekend? You want to go to your mom's? You want to go to your dad's? Like your grandparents were never going to make you go anywhere you don't want to go. Where do you want to go? And I guess I had an ego even as a kid. So I was like, well, everyone loves spending time with me. So whoever I don't choose is going gonna be so sad that I didn't pick them no one wants a break from the kid but like you know as a kid it was like I don't want to let them down so I'm gonna I'll choose you this weekend you that weekend and them the weekend after I'll rotate I want to go here and hang out with my friends but I'm gonna choose this way because I want to make everybody happy and my people pleasing was just like instituted then and then um I lost my dad when I was 11 my grandpa died three months later and then we had like 20 some odd more deaths in the family and close friends over like the next five or six years.

47:10Mark Fischbach:After my dad died, it was the first time I ever got straight A's. And I did it because I knew my grandparents always seemed really happy when I did well in school. They really wanted me to have a good future. So when my dad died and my grandma was very obviously torn up about it, it was her son. I was like, okay, I'm going to work harder in school. I'm going to get good grades. I'm going to try to give them something to some beacon of light. I will be the beacon of light. And so I've just always had this pressure of like, even before making content that I'm responsible for people's happiness. And with the platform we have, sometimes there's a pressure of like, am I doing enough?

47:42Mark Fischbach:Am I saying all the things I should say? Like, there's a lot of issues we don't touch on and I don't know that I want to touch on. But sometimes my brain's like, should we go into all of these things? Should we share a really uninformed opinion? At least my opinion would be uninformed. Should I do this? Am I doing enough? Am I entertaining enough? Am I helping people enough? And I've never taken time to really consider what life would be like if I just took a break from trying to uplift all those around me. And for whatever reason, like I said, health wise, people around me, the last six months, it's just that pressure is finally just hit me to the point where it's like, I can't I can't lift up everyone else because I'm really kind of at a point of burnout.

48:19Mark Fischbach:That's pretty strong. But I have been talking about it. I've been open about it, you know, Molly and some friends and family. we've talked about it a little bit you know before show here on this episode but um i do generally try to just probably unhealthy but i do try to just shove it down sometimes i'm like you know i've gotten my entire life i have gone through a lot of stuff i've lost a lot of people i've dealt with a lot of shit i'm sure we you know we all i know you guys have i know everyone has but i've always handled it one way and it's like whoa that must be the perfect way to handle it because it's always worked so far it hasn't this past six months so i'm adapting but it has been a challenge and it's new waters for me to be like my walls are down and I can't put them back up I'm out of that wall material concrete mortar bricks wall material I think is adequate drywall I was like not dry rope it's something like that dry rope that's that's my long-winded spiel about the burnout and stuff I really appreciate you sharing that um it's important for a lot of people to know and just say in general I'll give you one point been up a little short there on the points aren't

49:22Ethan Nestor:just let him have one I'm not going to take away a point for that because I think you're just lashing out because you're shoving things too far down and they always just erupt and you're just lashing out and I can understand that as a friend we're friends right that's Sam doing it I know that's a live edit nod that's a live edit yeah Sam saving it right there

49:45Mark Fischbach:I'm nodding with six fingers I don't know why I thought editing and AI were the same thing for a minute there I'm fine we we've been talking a lot about it a lot of our our issues that we're dealing with uh and i think sick baby depression or burnout and a gopro we all got problems they've all equivalent here i can't get a gopro sponsorship a sick kid you know general depression and burnout we're all unfulfilled in life. I think we can all agree on that. I don't know for once. I think actually for the first time, I don't have the, the, the main complaints of the era. Um, I'm, everything is coming up roses with the movie and it's, it's a weirdly good time for YouTube movies in general or YouTuber movies.

50:35Um, content creation is, is booming and, and I'm, I'm very excited to go into the future about that. Um, so I'm kind of grateful that the thing that I have to complain about is as funny as i want more i want silly camera i want uh i want a thing like that um you had your share of stresses over the last few years i think you deserve a little uh break that's fair that's fair i appreciate that all right shall we tally the points well hold on now i'm feeling pretty strong about maybe we should go a little longer all right bob uh you got a bald bald mort point emphasis on the bald you got a gopro sympathy point you got a point for the second biggest worry ever and then future James trauma you got another point for that so you it's a low scoring game but it's like four points I was mostly just listening I feel even better about it now I think

51:24Ethan Nestor:Wade lost more points than I had right there now hold on I think if I if I lost points there is

51:29Mark Fischbach:something on the wheel that makes negative points positive right that is true it's technically true right yeah so you got a bald point I gave you a point for Hobbit Town USA you got a point for Dracula impression guy you lost a point for a short joke you lost a point for a stool short joke you lost a point for the extra tall stool joke I gave you a half a point for your barely understanding the lube joke I was going for you did it you did it so I gave you half a point for that and then one point for burnout for For you talking about that and I think that's very impressive of you. You have one and a half points If I pull this off It might be the lowest scoring win in distractible history.

52:11All right. Let's see if that happens. Because, yes, those three points would put you half a point above Bob if you can just get three points out of this.

52:20Mark Fischbach:Not live points. The negative points positive.

52:23Ethan Nestor:It's absolute value. Yeah. We're golf rules. That's true. Well, let's see how many spins you get to try and make this up. I only need one to beat you. Okay. Well, I'll agree to one or we'll just do three again. Three!

52:37Mark Fischbach:We got three on the wheel. Okay, fine. I'm just gonna call it now. It's gonna somehow be host wins. Uh, I think we already have, like, smallest violin, so we can't do anything like that of, like, the saddest story. That would be such a dick kick in the dick to get that after what we talked about. Sickest child. Sickest child? No, when some of us don't have children. Well, whose fault is that? That we know of, I guess. I don't know. What are you talking about? I just realized that I never mentioned the fact Molly and I celebrated our eight-year wedding anniversary this week and our dogs both had birthdays whoops yeah no points yeah no points for that oh uh closest to a sponsorship or currently sponsored point for whoever's currently

53:17Ethan Nestor:sponsored and general podcast uh has to be like one of us has a sponsorship kind of deal okay okay

53:25Mark Fischbach:define sponsorship because i recorded a sponsored video last night that hasn't come out yet so that would count i think that would count yeah and it's like this we could put this on the bounty board to just be like go get a sponsor for a bounty board it has to be a spite sponsor the sponsorship

53:40Ethan Nestor:has to be about how you are getting it and you're not sharing it with us and then you have you show it yeah perfect oh what we should do actually after we spin the wheel we decide who the winner is we'll do a quick like few minutes talking about the the subreddit and the bounty board conversations the the the the coin flip thing when we meet fans all that yada yadas uh it's been really cool seeing people's responses and i want to acknowledge that but um yeah okay let's finish the spins and then yeah we should talk about that currently sponsored we have 110 options on the wheel and several of them will save ways all i needed to hear right now when you buy more carpet at the home depot you save more during our buy more save more event going on now upgrade your carpeting with the top brands and save up to 15 off installed carpet projects installation starting at just 49 cents per square foot.

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54:48Tenvoil hat point. I think that would go for me for like the GoPro.

54:53Mark Fischbach:Yeah, you know, honestly, yeah. That's true. Yeah, I'm gonna give myself a point for that That's the most tinfoil Hattie thing we've had all day It's not that they're ignoring me on purpose, right? They wouldn't do that No, no, no

55:06Ethan Nestor:Mark is gonna finish second place, I can feel it He just needs one more point to pass away

55:15Mark Fischbach:And then surprise golf rules

55:17Ethan Nestor:That does also mean If we get golf rules now Mark is winning That's true I didn't think about that I didn't think about that So that took away one of Wade's avenues to actually succeed. It'll be fine. I'm sure Wade will end. Unless I get a point and then it's golf rules and then you could still be the lowest. Got the flattest. So you know what I mean. I don't know. Got. Past tense. Wade, you did this last time too. You tried to get flat. It's not gets the flattest. It's who got the flattest.

55:49Mark Fischbach:Isn't it did best Scottish accent too? We still do that current? Well, we'll approach that next time we get to that. It's written into the rules of the rule, okay? Calm down. All right, so I don't think any of us got flat, actually. I think, unless you count all my short jokes that Wade was making for me. I got pretty flattened, but no. All right, spin number two again. That would give you another chance to win if we counted it.

56:15Ethan Nestor:Coolest illness since last episode. James? I mean, James gets that point, so James gets a point. And by proxy... Is he ready to host, Bob? He's probably ready to host an episode. He's pretty funny. All right, James gets the points there, and by proxy is kind of Bob's point, but, you know, technically James was. Until James turns 18, James points or Bob's points. I don't even need it. Yep, that's true. He doesn't need it. He's well in the lead. All right. Because here comes golf rules. Well, then it would be a tie between me and James. Yeah. It's been number three. Man, I hope one of these just says Wade wins.

56:51Ethan Nestor:Live points don't count. I didn't have any lie points I don't think Alright no lie points but it's not a re-spin That is what that is Alright so with Wade remaining At one and a half points those short jokes Didn't feel very worth it now Did they? They were funny I don't regret it Minus one future point

57:12Mark Fischbach:You won't remember that

57:13Ethan Nestor:Every episode for the next year that Mark hosts There's gonna be an entire subreddit panic About like did he do the point Wade minus one Wade point. Did he do it? It's still out there. All right. Speaking of the subreddit, the subreddit has been abusing with activity. There's been so many people that are excited since the last time we did a constitution update, which is the first time people have ever been excited about a constitutional update. I'm not gonna lie. In the world in general? Yeah, yeah. Something like that. I think so. Oh my god. I like how the top post on the subreddit is Mark asking for a referral code for GoPro.

57:52I know, I just saw that. I'm just like, I'm not asking for a referral code. I'm just saying I don't have one. But there's a lot of people talking, but there's an official bounty board point posting thing. There's a lot of bounties on here. I'm actually afraid there are too many bounties.

58:09Ethan Nestor:Yeah, well, I do think while some of these are funny, I feel like they sort of don't work and could be taken off the board. I don't want to overcomplicate things because none of the three of us made this happen. This is all courtesy of the mods of the subreddit putting things together. But yeah, like some of these are very funny. And some are easier than others, but only one person can claim it. So I guess the first person to do it claims it. You know, it's up to us to pay attention to these. If the bounty boards, you know, can just absolutely devastate the landscape, then so be it. This is not clear, I think, in the Constitution.

58:45Ethan Nestor:distribution how many points are these worth is that like an on-the-fly thing like when you cash in the bounty we'll debate between ourselves how many but because some of them i know the person who posted it was like this should be worth 10 points or whatever and i think the mods kind of took the ideas and sort of disregarded the points because the points were all over the place and that's not really that's not a balanced approach to just let whomever comes up with it there should be a one point bounty for easier things maybe a 2.3 point or maybe only one in a two point thing

59:17Mark Fischbach:feels like easy i don't think any more than three i think one or two sounds because you want it to be able to like help but you don't want it to be the entire episode i like either one or two or

59:28Ethan Nestor:maybe like one or three but then it to be a three it needs to be like way above and beyond so there's basically like regular bounties and special bounties yeah so we need to we need to coordinate that that would be i think we can do it on the fly i think we should leave that to where like when someone cashes a bounty in it's up to the judge part of that process is okay that counts as well as getting that bounty now is that a normal or an extra special i feel like we're all on board with the bounties seem really fun so we're gonna play along right and and be you know be relatively fair with the point the point bartering plus if you're a total bitch about it then you're never you never get any bounty points so you need to be careful you gotta play your car chain i'm fucked i'm always a total bitch can we play this like immunity you know charms where it's like at right before the point counting we're like wait a minute i was on a farm i do think that that should like because then you could hold it in your pocket too right if you have one and it gets to a thing where it's like it's you're down by one or it's tied you can just be like ah you know with that noise and your honor may i approach the bench i have a bounty to turn in Perhaps the rule should be just for clarity Before any wheels spin So like as soon as the wheel Determining how many as soon as the first wheel Spins how many spins wheel No more bounties but up until a wheel Spin is initiated You can interrupt with a bounty And then the budget there's I don't think there's Any solid decision on how the hell The audience's budget even can Work or does work but we're still working On that I was just gonna read Read the reddit and do the ones I thought

1:01:04Mark Fischbach:were funny i don't remember a budget remember we were like it's we talked about this at six hundred

1:01:10Ethan Nestor:dollars a month we're gonna allow the subreddit to pick things for us to spend money on it's like 200 each or 600 total and we're going to they have they have some sort of vote they have to come around coalesce around an idea enough that we feel like it's endorsed by the subreddit and

1:01:28Mark Fischbach:then we will spend the money on the thing okay why are we buying things what are we doing with

1:01:33Ethan Nestor:for fun to improve the podcast we need a flair for that so that if we're looking for budget for money budget stuff we can just like go on the reddit and be like the flair for spending money or whatever the hell it's called budget committee or something yeah but the thing is like it was going to be something they're autonomous about so it's like if they vote they only have so much budget and they have to vote on what the budget is spent on so they all have to agree on what is spent on I think is generally the idea Alright fair enough I'm sure I will forget

1:02:04Mark Fischbach:And you guys will remind me next time We'll just do it all you just show up it's fine And if you guys end up spending the money I'll just send you The money then I don't have to have things in my house We'll just take it out of your cup before it goes your way It'll be fine

1:02:16Ethan Nestor:I'll just take out whatever amount I think is fair Out of your

1:02:22Ethan Nestor:It'll be fine It'll be fine All in favor of taking it out of Wade's fortune Say aye Aye Sam edited the fourth member I Fuck

1:02:35Mark Fischbach:It says in a constitution episode It says somehow it's an edit of Wade saying I You know that video where uh The guy's like breaking into someone's house And they're like I'm gonna find him and the person's Like hiding in the closet and they go Red Robin in the closet here Like ha gotcha But you guys be like are you ready kids I'll go I I Fuck that's it we're done Uh there is Is there merch right now There is something. If you were wondering why quantities are limited on these drops, it's people want it both ways, but it's because we're desperately scrambling to fulfill all the iron lung things, of which there are...

1:03:18It's like you can't even imagine. You can't even imagine. You can't even imagine. I'm going to take my GoPro, and I'm going to go film what we've had to do to do it. And people were like, just get a third-party logistics fulfillment company. I was like, oh, it's so fucking easy, isn't it? I'll just go next door to my third-party logistics. And I was just like, knock, knock. Hey, let's get a contract going. And I'm going to give you 50 ,000 fucking items. And you just get going. Oh, what? You didn't have the system integrated before? We got a handover? Fucking goddammit. All right. We're working on it.

1:03:52Ethan Nestor:Hey, look. You guys are doing a great job. I got my iron lung stuff. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's still like 15 ,000 orders left to fill. What's that? Three days work? Those will be done like tomorrow. Yeah. We didn't even have regular pickups from the post office and from the shipping companies. Setting that up and getting them to even believe us that we had 5 ,000 orders that we needed to ship out. We tried to show up at the place with the orders. We got turned away. It's like, you can't do this. What do you mean we can't do this?

1:04:25Mark Fischbach:I just picture this really tiny post office, one guy working behind the counter, and you walk in, you're like, I have 5 ,000 boxes I need shipped. They're like, okay, sure. And they look outside, you have like four semi-trucks just side by side with all the bags open. You're like, the guy just pulls the window down. It's like, we are closed for the day. Dude, you have no idea, man. You have no idea. You have no idea.

1:04:45Ethan Nestor:And also, we don't order enough shirts just to make you mad. No. Gotcha. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's true. It's on purpose. Mark's just lying to cover it, but I think it's fun.

1:04:54Mark Fischbach:No. Even my family's got, they're like, are you intentionally trying to keep me from getting your merch? It's like, no, I'm not a swear. No, dude. Blame those assholes online. They keep buying it. It's not my fault. And it's also like we did a restock of certain custom things. And we said like this whole long lead time to get this restock in. And then the whole world's shipping industry kind of exploded. Yeah. So to like have an umbrella, like, anyway. No, I'm going to complain. That's what this episode is all about. It's like talking about struggles, right? My struggles are just valid to your guys' struggles, even though it's after we've declared the winner and said the points.

1:05:31Sure, sure. Patty, who's been helping coordinate everything, has us really smart because we have manufacturers in America and not just China at all. It's like we have manufacturers in all kinds of different places so that we can have a redundancy if anything happens to one or if one can't meet the quality, things like that. We source from a lot of different places And try to source responsibly from different places And it's like okay we gotta wide net Doesn't help when the whole fucking world's Shipping industry explodes And it's only been a few months there And I know that sounds like a long time But when working in business stuff like this It takes a long time to get things going

1:06:09Ethan Nestor:Dude it takes an agonizingly long time For anything to happen If you're doing like enterprise level anything It's fucking inferior When you're used to what we do and it's like you show up and either you do it or you pay this one person that you know to do the thing that you're and then you're like you're emailing chains and you're emailing groups and they're like oh afford this onto the right person and just a person you've never heard of and you're like oh what they don't know this oh no this is like starting over but we've been doing this for a week it's great it's lovely businesses are very efficient and great and there's nothing that could be streamlined about this entire process and i don't even know what all the shit you're dealing

1:06:47Mark Fischbach:with this is just my experience well mark's currently writing a new book it's called all work and no gopro makes mark a sad boy and it's just that line over and over again for 600 pages

1:06:58Ethan Nestor:yeah yeah weird huh a year from now when mark finally does get a gopro just gonna be him filming himself sitting on a computer violently sending emails trying to make one thing happen we're ending the episode thank you so much for being a listener and or viewer of this episode We are in entering our best season yet. I think probably hopefully or most disastrous which would be equally as cool Anything, but average is gonna be the theme of this season wait No, what would I have to say?

1:07:29Mark Fischbach:Oh my quality of my quality will be below average. All right. Okay. Good good

1:07:35Ethan Nestor:That's like Mark's hike HAHA! Oh my fuck, he actually cut out! You actually cut out! That was so fucking funny! That was so good! Whoa, that was great! I hope that got captured! Oh my god! All of my shit just crashed! I thought he just left! I didn't... My computer gave me an error, my GoXLR crashed! Yeah, you've got the... You've got, like, your webcam mic right now. It's all fucked. Alright, we're gonna end it. That's what Wade gets. Thank you. Follow the podcast. Follow these guys. Podcast out before it blows up. Labor Day savings are happening now at the Home Depot with select appliances starting at$399.

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