David Banner on Losing $12M for Black Activism, Depression, & Why Integration Was Worse Than Slavery

33:07Sam Goody. Bro, we at Virgin, all we gotta do is say the Virgin Megastore. Bro, literally. And I know, I know, Jordan, but I gotta say it. Bro, like the Virgin Megastore was one of the few times besides walking into a strip club where I think I slightly had an orgasm when I was walking to the store. Allegedly. I mean, just being a, I mean, just being a, bro, one thing that people don't understand about me, bro, is I really loved hip hop. I really loved it. I really thought it was this real thing, bro. Like, bro, and I peeped what they did to the game, bro. And then we were okay with streaming after that.

33:48Bro, like we, it's just like, bro, we are addicted to following our oppressors. No matter how they treat us, no matter how bad they do us, we run behind them, bro. I just left Forbes. And what I was telling them over there at Forbes was like one of the sad things is that we get caught in the trends No matter how detrimental those trends may be to us Like I told him there's nothing from a business standpoint That you can tell me that was positive about streaming and you all are on your business Acumen bro as at least at y 'all age, I don't know too many people y 'all ages That beat y 'all on that side.

34:28Tell me one positive thing about streaming You were getting, I just told you I was getting$10 a CD, two fractions of pennies to just allow somebody to play my music over and over again on their site. That's all streaming is. They just play up perpetually play your shit over and over again. And then people tap into their site. What's smart about that? It's the psychological, even Swiss, Swiss beats has said something that was insightful also with, you know, he went to Harvard like that program that they have. And he was like, one of the things that he picked up is that in business, you don't have to give somebody ownership, but you just make them feel like they have ownership in their work.

35:06So he equated that to labels. He's like, so when they started giving everybody a label, they felt empowered because now you're under a power structure that you psychologically want to be under anyway. And they make, you're still a worker, but you have a title of a CEO. So now everybody got a label, but nobody has distribution. Nobody has real ownership but that's a way to keep everybody happy and satisfied it's so crazy bro i i wrote this thesis paper that directly correlated and connected slavery and the plantation to record labels you know and and through me doing my re and through me doing my research I found that there was something that was called yard niggas.

35:58So you look at - That's like field? Well, no, the field niggas are the rappers, right? The yard niggas are the A &Rs. The house niggas are the, like the label execs, right? And so, bro, this, you know, I had a partner that helped me in it, but it was genius and I may turn it into a book one day, bro, whether we know it or not, bro, people act just like slaves and don't know it. I do like. If you look at just getting a deal. Usually when you look at getting hot in the hood as a rapper or as a beat producer, all that is is accruing power, right? And what's the first thing you do when you go get power?

36:47You don't believe that you can wield that power. So you go find you a white dude to do it for you Why couldn't a black person do it? Why couldn't you do it? Like what what is it? What is a what is it about us? That we can't create our own internet dog Why you can't create your own store, bro? And then as soon as we start figuring it out and be like, oh We can do this shit and I'll give you all a great example and I blow people mind every time I tell them this you remember when shooting a video, a rap video was just like science. Like everybody was afraid to do it and nobody thought that it could be done.

37:27And somebody somewhere just went and got a fucking camera and shot that bitch. Everybody started shooting the music video and it's starting to happen in movies now. Black folks are starting to say like, oh damn, we can use this iPhone and shoot a movie and put it up on Tubi, which you can do Tubi yourself. So what ends up happening, bro, is like people won't admit that they still have slave mindsets, bro. And the crazy thing is I tell black people this all the time is we talk about Jesus all the time. Black folks get on a Jesus kick, Jesus, Jesus. But when anybody start acting like Jesus, we usually crucify ourselves.

38:10Fair. Anytime somebody said, well, I'm going to run this myself, or I'm going to do this, or I'm going to... Because I believe that why would God allow us to be thinking beings, thinking sentient beings, if it wasn't meant for us to challenge things? And so all of those people that ever challenged anything, they usually ended up dead or in jail. That's a fact. Language is important, and you use the word thought. when you thought hip-hop was. It almost feels like you don't recognize it now. No, hip-hop is imperialism. Have you fallen out of love with it? I have. I have. I have. Let's talk about that.

38:52Yes, I have. But let me tell you why I think God allowed me to. So watch this. Just like they created that feeling of hip-hop that made us think that it was real, we can do that on the other end of spec on the other end of the spectrum me and Jordan that's from my publicist team we talked about it today imagine if I created a company that gate cuz all you gotta do is create a company and get all our friends and all I thought about that going to get Snoop going to get Raheem Devon getting all get crit and all us put a company together and just make the splits equitable and then give other artists what they deserve what we know that we want.

39:34Maybe God put us through what we're going through so we can be the person to do it. I don't think the story of Jesus was about a man coming down to bear a cross for you. I think it was about God coming in a physical form to show you how to bear your own cross. If I can come down here and be a man and do it, you can too. You remember the story of Jesus when he was walking on water and he had other people walking with him until they started doing what? Doubting. You are made out of the same stuff God is made out of. You think it, you do it. So why are we so scared? This is why it's the greatest time in history as businessmen, because you all know this.

40:10They thought we were crazy. They thought you all were crazy until you did it. Think about bro, me doing hip hop in Mississippi, bro. They thought I was crazy till they saw like a pimp. Bro, all God has to do is give you vision. People perish because of a lack of vision, but we see it. And I want to tell you all this. This is very important. You must listen to me on this, bro. Bro, we have to stop getting mad when people don't see our vision. If people see your vision, then it's general knowledge, then you are no longer blessed. My mother always said you are blessed. Being a visionary is a curse and a blessing.

40:51You're blessed to see other things that people can't see, but you're cursed to sit in them alone. I'm grateful for this deficit. I am grateful for this experience that we are having with Trump because now we know that America cares nothing about the black man and woman. I was speaking at a female reproductive summit and I think I scared a couple of people, but I told them the truth. I said, the first thing that you have to understand as a black woman is they don't want you to reproduce black kids anyway. So when you're wondering why we are dying at this rape you got to first understand that you keep going to their hospitals you keep going to their mothers and fathers and when they don't want you to have black children in the first place so until you admit that and i know it's scary i know it's hard to digest but until we understand that if we don't come back and save us no one will ain't nobody coming out the sky because if the way that i think about jesus is true jesus already came down and showed you what to do what he she or it gotta come back for bro that's the reason why i want to be a billionaire most people want to be a billionaire so they can live in abundance i want to be a billionaire because i want to free the people bro i don't want nobody to have to go to warner brothers no more if they don't want to i don't want kids to ever see a time where there's not a black superman because they can come to a banner vision and ain't it crazy speaking to superman how are you energized by the sun and you're actually practically you know you're actually a battery incarnate when white people their skin does what to the sun it rejects the sun they run from the sun how can superman be white when his superpower is the sun and y 'all can't sit out in the sun five minutes without dad deep thought there no no actually a white scientist i read an article white scientist there's no way possible that superman is white knowing what you know yeah and what you study we had this conversation with william first thing we asked him was how do you sleep knowing that all this but the other do you feel as a threat to the opposition um all right so i've i've grown spiritually where i don't hate anybody anymore um one thing that i realized is first of all You have to understand that these people came from Europe.

43:18They came from a cold climate where, you know, there's not many resources. There's not much time. You know, if you don't plant at the right time in the right place and harvest and collect, it's cold seven, you're like, what, seven to eight, nine months? So it's a scarcity mindset. Yes. So like, it's not just that the fact that they're bigots or they're racists or they're survival on this planet, period. And they are the recessive gene. So I'm not emotional about it. So what I realized is, and be honest, guys, if it was a rattlesnake over there in that corner, and you went and kissed that rattlesnake, and a rattlesnake bit you in the mouth, would you be mad?

44:05No. Why not? You asked for it. Yeah, why would I be biting the rattlesnake? Because they're rattlesnakes. Yeah, right. And historically, over and over again, and you kiss a rattlesnake in the mouth, your ass gonna get bit, right? So historically, as black people, why we keep going over there by the rattlesnake? So that brings up a good point because you from Mississippi, so civil rights is different. We all have different struggles in America. Racism, no matter where you have it, but the history of the South is different from the history of the North. I was just watching the movie Till for the first time.

44:35Story of Emmett Till, if anybody hasn't seen it, should watch it. So being that you come from the South, right? You know, Dr. Claude Anderson? Yes. So he brought up a good point where he was saying that he thought the civil rights movement was misguided because integration took out a lot of black businesses and it gave us an illusion of inclusion. Integration was worse than slavery. Talk about that. Okay. Well, if you look at slavery for what it is, we just lost a war that we didn't know that we were in. I mean, that just happens. Really, if you really look at it for what it is, it's just, whether it would have been Native Americans, whether it would have been the Irish people, whoever it would have been, the reason why we ended up being who we were in the pecking order is because we survived.

45:29And because we are children in the sun, so we are children of the sun, so we can last in the sun. We were more durable as just human beings, period. Right. So the problem is, is that in the mechanism of slavery, if you have the chains on, you always know that you have to escape. Integration gave us the illusion of winning. It's the same way that I feel about the devil. People get mad at me because I say, I don't believe the devil exists. I believe that white people gave you the devil so that you won't realize that you are the problem if you always think it's something outside of yourself you will never correct yourself you will always put it on an external entity and if you really do believe in God in one God why would you ever compare anything to the most high why would you even have it in the same sentence right You are the problem.

46:25We are our own problems in business and spirituality and everything. So for me, I just realized bro that this is so powerful. Watch this. Y 'all gonna love this. What is the name of y 'all company? Earn your leisure. Gotta fucking earn it. It ain't coming from nowhere unless you earn it. You will never have the leisure that you are looking for. Hold on for a second. Let's pause. This is a message brought to you by. That was dope as fuck. I wish it had like the spinning numbers that be in the movies with some black and white shit. Bro, I thought about that in my head and I was like, yo, that's dope as fuck.

47:03This is a message brought to you by.

47:09David Banner. No, but I'm serious though, bro. I thought of like, I was thinking about like, damn, that's dope. Like we have to earn our leisure. We have to earn our freedom, bro. And the thing is, is bro, the real truth is that we're going to have to suffer for a while. You know, if you think about most people that come to America, bro, like they'll sleep 10, 12 to a house. One person that gets successful, he'll go buy a house, bring five people over there. And it's not integration. We a few blocks away from Chinatown right now. There's no integration in Chinatown. You go to Chinatown and it is only Mandarin that's spoken.

47:43And you go to like different parts. They've integrated in the greater society of America, but they're very integrated. intentional about maintaining and they're not, they're unapologetic. It's crazy. Indian culture. I went to, we went to London. We stayed in the W hotel in Soho. Now we didn't know that that was Chinatown. So the Uber driver was taking us there and he was like, why are you staying in W? I'm like, it's a W. They're like, well, only Chinese people stay there, but the W is not a Chinese hotel. So I'm like, why? Well, he's like, well, the owner of that W is Chinese. So that's not even a Chinese brand but they they when they come to london they know what they people know and they don't they don't got to be told to do that it's natural right so it's like that's something that we can't wait to go away from everything like i know some guys that are doing some work in africa that's going to i do my research too we're not gonna go there this is a message brought to you

48:46I appreciate the reason. No, bro. I appreciate that. Yeah. No, no. I was actually doing some similar business. Okay. And, and just, I was doing some similar business and that's what I'm saying, bro. People are looking to help us. We just have to find them. We just have to travel, bro. And when you start traveling and looking, bro, I'm saying from a spiritual standpoint, you, what they always say, like you take a step to God, God, God, you know, you're take a you know eight nine ten to you but is that marketing to like even with the label right is that marketing what we just feel is that white supremacy where we feel like if we get included in white power structure that's the ultimate goal so we'll run away from black inclusion so i'll tell you something and i hope that by me giving you this example it'll make it a little bit clearer.

49:37So have you all ever heard in football when they say that white quarterbacks are smarter? Okay. So white quarterbacks are not smarter. They just are not as physical as black people are. I think it was Bill Burr. He said it like if a white quarterback could jump over a linebacker, he would, but he can't. A white quarterback, like as an animal, you're gonna run first, you're gonna jump first, you're gonna fight first. But if you can't run, you're gonna have to think. So I mean, there wasn't no need for Mike Vick to think about nothing, he would just outrun you, what animals do. You understand what I'm saying?

50:21So I think what ends up happening is because white people are not, as a whole, I'm not saying that there's not individuals, as talented as we are, they have to think of mechanisms. I watch the NBA do it all the time. Since they can't play the game no more, then they find a way to always change the rules. That's when the play-in tournaments and all that kind of stuff because they have to find a way to be involved in the game because they can't jump. Or coach the game. Yeah. But even now, we're getting close because there's no way that Mark Jackson is not coaching somewhere, bro. Come on. but but for me bro i realize that that is all well and fine because i truly believe this bro i believe that a very wise man from out of philadelphia told me this bro he said that all these things that are happening are just to bring us closer to god that's all all this is for is that if we would take the lesson and earn our leisure then at the end of the day bro like with all of this stuff going on with Trump, if we would take the message that people are not going to help us, we keep looking for DEI.

51:29Like, why would you want to be around somebody that don't want to help you? I don't understand this, bro. Like, there's a restaurant in Atlanta that Tip and Ernestine,

51:45they boycotted. And I know for sure because my ex-girlfriend spent$78 ,000 a year because when she didn't want to have meetings in her office, she would go there. I know the story she told me as much money as she spent in there, how racist those people were. I have not been in that restaurant in 10 years. I'm never going back. When people show you who they are if a company doesn't believe that DEI is the thing that they're supposed to do because it's the right thing to do I don't want you to do it because somebody is pressuring you that means that we shouldn't buy them. And the thing about it is is whenever you remove your money and your attention they'll get right.

52:29My opinion. You brought up a big grit and shout out to big crit. historic run, man. Legendary, felt like that was a pathway for him. And it's kind of been like a hiatus for him in music for the past few years. And you said something important. He very intentionally did that and helped you. How so? Big Crit, when I was going through my depression, Big Crit was actually the person that told me, you know, to look at your environment. Sometimes in a spiritual way, it's the environment also the house that you in you don't know who lived in it before you don't know if it's the people that you brought into your house if their spirits are still lingering like it's all of these things that our grandmothers understood and it's the things that i think they were trying to hint on as sinners that because of conventional religion and one thing that i hate i just got to say this and jordan i'm not gonna go too far into this but like we we always jump on these spiritual boats about what other religions do but we have not like really made people stand on what they did to us under the guise of the conventional religions that we believe in in america if you look at the continent of africa it's not chopped up for because of who believed in what God.

53:53It's chopped up because of the oppressors who won those and won the wars in those places. In most cases, people were not Christian because they wanted to be Christian. It was Christian because their Christian conquerors conquered that land or Muslim conquerors conquered that land. If they're not believing in the indigenous religion of that land, and it really wasn't a religion, it was a way of life. If you look at most African people, you look at most native people, anywhere you go, they believe that God was in everything. And if you look at the indigenous Asian people, it was very similar to African people.

54:29You understand what I'm saying, bro? Like everywhere we go. And so we get into these religious things, bro, and not understand how we are controlled. Bro, I love the implications of sinners. And I understood what they meant by us tapping back into what our grandmothers believed in. You know, I don't mind, you know, you believing in the religion you believed in, but if you haven't tested it, if you haven't done the research, if you haven't translated, because they've lied about everything on this planet, bro. And how that transfers into business, I'll answer a question that you asked me earlier that I sort of got away from.

55:11I believe that the reason why black people continue to forgive people is because Jesus looked like them. If Jesus looked like us, maybe we would forgive us. Or the black bank that made one mistake. When the white bank makes a thousand mistakes and you forget them every day. Heinz Ketchup makes... The portrayal of Jesus. The white Jesus with blue eyes and blonde hair. one of the most dangerous things. That's ever happened on this planet. I had a dude, we were building out in front of a store in Atlanta. And dude said something so powerful to me, bro, that it still shakes me to this day. He says that, he said that Jesus exists, whether Jesus existed or not.

56:05The most powerful person on this planet is Jesus. The most powerful book on this planet is the Bible. Whether it's right or wrong, we're not going to argue that. That's not my place. So if you believe that they hold the key to God, then you always going to forget them. Yeah, no, for sure. And you always going to think their water is wetter. or you're always going to think that they're superior. Yeah. It's natural. Like I read a book one time, this guy who's a refugee from this - Hold on, let me ask you a question about him real quick. Bro, he says the coldest shit in the world, right? And doesn't break face ever.

56:47No. Hey bro, I just saw your mama with the principal at the school. Deal with that information. Deal with that information, do what you want. That's him, huh? That's him. Bro, he just said the coldest shit and looked me in my eye and didn't break character. Usually when I say shit, I'd be like, that shit dope. That shit. He was like, no, no, they control your mind. You think they're superior. Let's continue on. Five, four, three, two. No, but so the guy was from the Sudan and he had never saw a white person before ever. And so he was like 10 years old and then like a missionary, somebody from the UN.

57:24So a white person came into his village and he said when he saw him, the first thing that he thought of that he had died because he thought that this was God, Jesus. And the only reason why he thought that is because up until that point, the only portrait that he's ever seen of white people was Jesus, a white Jesus. So he automatically connected the first white person that he saw to God. That's a bar in the hand. So imagine the grace that you're going to give somebody psychologically, right? The grace that you're going to give somebody psychologically if you think that they're God or the equivalent to God.

58:00And then imagine the disdain that you'll have for somebody who would think is a direct opposite of that. And then the deep part to that is even when they're, when even though their book tells you his skin was like burnt copper. Hair like wool. Yeah. That sounds like a Rastafarian to me, bro. No, I'm dead serious. But it also, it also shows you how, how powerful art is. That's what that is, is art, right? that's a portrait of seizure bourgeois son and so the art is more important than the text because like you said you can read the text but that visual painting over overrides what's actually in the text so we play one one word game just me and me just me and you let's do it the council of nacea yes i can't even have that conversation like that's what i'm telling you about the stuff that i I can't even have these conversations with my friend or with my mother, bro.

59:00Like, you just got to sit on that, bro. And that's where your relationship with God is so important, man, because, but my grandmother died thinking she was free. My grandmother actually died happy. And bro, like for me, man, like I am so grateful that if nothing else, bro, is that I know. And I'm also grateful that people consider me. That's one thing that I can say about my relationship with hip hop that I don't know if anybody else in hip hop has. People at least consider me, bro. I don't know why. I don't know what I've done to earn it, man. But I am so grateful to God, bro. I speak this in Christian churches in Mississippi and not get strung up.

59:46And black people be like, you might not let you come back here no more, but at least you get to walk out. But no, bro. Somebody get a preacher boy out of here. No, but I'm serious. Like, black people consider me, bro. And I am so grateful, man, to be that. You know, I don't know what to do with it. Yeah. I try, bro, but, like, I'll tell y 'all something only because I'm enjoying this interview so much, bro. But, like, bro, it's hard on me, bro. I done lost over$12 million, bro, because of my activism. My opportunities. Well, not just opportunities, bro, but you got to think, man, like, let's just be honest, bro.

1:00:28I get my money from Disney, bro. I get my money from PepsiCo, bro. Like I'm just being honest with you. And like black people, for some reason, think that money comes from some imaginary place when you're an activist. It don't, bro. If it don't come from you, it don't happen. That's why, again, I'm going to sing you all's praises, bro. you found you all found a way to galvanize the people and make them excited about spending money with other black people that's powerful g that is powerful how have you responded when your faith been tested i think that's that's when you really find out who you are spiritually right so like in the moments especially dealing with the music industry and just dealing with life over the course of time, how has that been for you?

1:01:22Okay. Ask the question in a more direct way with one sentence because this is very important and I want to make sure that I answer it in the right way. I'll say it like this. How about this? Have you always been this devout? Have you grown to it? And in times of questioning your faith or challenging your faith, how has that shaped who you are? That's actually worse. No, but I got it.

1:01:54Man. So the amazing thing to me about God is it's sort of like your dad, bro. Like fathers, bro. Like you think about the teachers that really loved you now that we grown. I had this new thing. You have to make a choice as a parent and I'm not even a parent yet. your children can like you when they're young and not respect you when they grown. Because they be like, that's some bullshit. You should have stayed on my ass. Like, or you cannot spare the rod. They said spare the rod, quicken the child to the grave. Right? So your kids cannot like you when they're children and then respect you when they grownups.

1:02:31I remember Benny the Butcher said that on my podcast. He said he went back to his hood and checked his OGs. Can I say nigga? He was like, nigga, how y 'all had a selling dope at 10? Y 'all was supposed to be fathers, bro. How y 'all let us take those penitentiary chances at 14, bro? What was their response? I don't know. He didn't tell me what the response was, but I thought that was so brave. He said he really went back and checked his OGs, bro. So what I'm saying is, is that since God loves us, sometimes I can equate my struggle to the amount of love and how much God trust me with that mantle bro or with that responsibility excuse me so like what I'm learning now and this is just my opinion y 'all faith in God is not jumping off of the mountain because you can just be a fucking fool and jump off the mountain mm-hmm the real test is you jumping off the mountain God letting you fall face first on the concrete and number one you didn't understand that you survived, number one, but waiting to see if you was going to curse his or her or its name and then give you wings to fly.

1:03:44That's what I'm learning that real faith is not just jumping off the mountain. No, when stuff don't work your way, when you don't get it exactly when you want to, and then realize that when you, if you would have got it when you wanted to, you would have wrecked it anyway. So what I am learning about it is to stop asking God why and ask God what? let me ask you that's I just while you said it I mean but did it click it clicked cause it it made me think of when Lupe says struggle another sign that God loves you ooh that's a bar yeah that's his bar that's a penitentiary yeah that ain't just a bar that's a whole penitentiary you can build a penitentiary off that one yeah yeah you was about to say something mental health because you talk I'm a fucking wreck dog I know I just said I didn't want to say it I'm a fucking wreck dog you spoke about you know work in progress language is important I just wanted to let it go one time bro you spoke about you know depression but there's a lot of people especially men right that are going through things that they A can't identify what it is and B they're going through things and they don't know how to seek help so my question is how did you identify you was in that place and how did you seek the help to get out of that place Well, one, truthfully, I'm not a wreck, man.

1:05:02I'm actually very proud of the man that I'm becoming. And I am grateful also that the blessings that I did think that I wanted, bro, if I would have got them earlier, I would have messed it up, bro. Like, I honestly think, and I'm not just saying this because I'm on y 'all's show. I really believe this. I believe why should God bless me with the financial opulence that I believe that I deserve when I would have just gave it to them through not paying my taxes anyway. Like some things we want, we're not ready for them. Maybe God didn't bless us with him because he sure didn't knew that it would be a nightmare.

1:05:43So that we have to be prepared to receive it. Because if not, then you're just a conduit to bless your enemy. because they just gonna take it away from you from not being prepared not being well read not understanding accounting not understanding taxes all of these things we want all of this money bro but we don't do the things to earn our leisure down that's dope but um what was the question more directly like how did you know you was depressed okay how did you seek help to get out of that depression so I found out from my um my therapist that sometimes not all the time that your the brain protects you from all the trauma that we've been through and you wonder why because this is one of the things that I tripped on and I never said this in public either but I'm having such a great time bro y 'all doing a great job um bro I was tripping because I was depressed and I was like bro I've been in shootouts I've been homeless and happy and all this stuff Like, why am I tripping now?

1:06:45Bro, I got a Bentley outside. What am I tripping? Like I'm dating models and bro, if I want to go to Japan right now. Matter of fact, I knew a way if I wanted to go out of space, I can afford to go out of space. Literally, maybe not 12 times, but I go out of space one time. I got that kind of brain, right? But what I realized is that the human brain protected us until we got in a space where we could handle it. And then the brain was like, OK, now you got a little bit of bread. deal with that that happened to you when you were nine. Deal with your mama leaving you outside, you know, and you being adopted.

1:07:20This didn't happen to me, but I'm just saying. And so I just started getting to the point, man, where I think I had the mental space. When you in the streets, bro, like we was in the streets, you didn't have no time to worry because other stuff was happening daily all the time. You know what I'm saying? and so i started realizing man that i was in the space i had the means to and then the other side of this i have talked about this in other places um i am realizing and i'm not a therapist so y 'all go and talk to your therapist don't put this on david banner i also found that that one of the things that we think is depression that's not always depressing depression is us breaking the programming like bro we have been lied to not just by white people not just by America but by parents who was giving us the best stuff that they possibly could but a lot of that stuff is lies bro and so a lot of times bro if you have been and I talked about this today movies and television are what television programming we are being programmed every day and this is one thing that as much knowledge itself as much social and financial literacy that you all may be giving people you can't beat Fox Network.

1:08:41Not yet. We on our way. But they're getting programmed they can tell but at Christopher Columbus discovered America. That's a damn lie. So a lot of times bro, we are breaking. It's actually what we feel is depression is actually us healing the same way I realized when I fast a lot of the times when I think I need to go eat it's actually the impurities coming out of my body I don't need to put any more in there I just need to wait for a minute so I started realizing man that you know I had to break myself I had to allow the most high to totally run his her or its course with me bro and that I'm all right and that you all are doing a good job bro just for us to wake up every day and get at it again.

1:09:30Y 'all doing a good job. You know what I'm saying? Sweetie, as much as you peek over here and look at me because I do smell good and that I'm handsome, the fact that you can restrain yourself and not totally, no, I'm just joking. That might be somebody girl, but I'm just joking. But no, like we are surviving, man. And to be honest with you, bro, I don't know how I made it through. I had a assistant once, he told me, he said, David, if I knew for a fact that I could make it and all of my dreams could come true, but I had to go through what you went through, he said, I wouldn't do it. Bro, I've been through it, dog.

1:10:08But I'm here, bro. Bro, I look better than I did when I was 27 years old, bro. I am stronger than I've ever been in my life. Bro, I'm making so much fucking money, dog. Like, it's coming to me, bro. it's so crazy bro because a lot of people about finances and opulence and say that it's evil it is not bro it is what you allow it to be and bro when I started vibrating on the right level getting around the right people reading the right information and I just want to say this I don't know if you all disagree with me or not but as I'm moving to that next level of life most people who deal in money at the level that we're dealing with now, then people will never give you the secrets, the real secrets to allow you to be their competition.

1:10:57They won't. If you look at most of the financial books, it's usually never written by the person that's on the cover. They will give you enough to be successful so you can continue reading their books and consuming their information. But the real truth, bro, you got to get around people that know stuff, or you got to try and fail over and over again until you can piece the equation together, bro. That's what I'm learning, bro. You just, you got to get out there and make the mistakes or go and find people. Bro, I invested in a cold fusion company. And my friends was like, what the fuck? What you know about cold fusion?

1:11:36Nothing. But that did buy me the opportunity to get into our generation's Einstein. I met that guy. The people that I was around. And I'll tell you all this too. A lot of times, because people will never tell you all this. When you're dealing with people who are in money at that level, they're usually going to try to make you do something, to sacrifice something to make sure that you're worthy of being around them, bro. It's like, dude told me, he was like, bro, you got to get a ticket to Australia you if you want this opportunity and it's like a 14-day turnaround I had never been in Australia before I was straight out the hood bro I can't lie I was scared I ain't know nobody over there but what made me do it was I had thrown that amount of money that they were asking for the initial investment bro I had thrown that in the club in Magic City in Atlanta and bro show enough as soon as I made that sacrifice bro they open up that's what I learned about the law of attraction that's what I learned bro like them people if you vibrate on the right level you walk into like let's say if I brought you they know how I they know that I know how they are about the circle right and they'll come over there and they'll ask you they'll be like what you do for a living you know how in a company they earn your leisure we're trying to you you know, this is that.

1:13:00They'll be like, all right. Next thing you know, they'll hand you a phone. And it'll be the CEO of the biggest company in the world. And what they told me is that they don't want it back from me. They get it back from the universe. If you a right person. Like, the only thing they didn't like about me was my music. It's like, you got to stop doing that music. It's negative. Like, we don't really do negative, but you so special. And they were the ones that taught me that I came back to America and started doing my black friends the way that they taught me. Like, bro, if you writing a movie, I got a house in Mississippi that I never go to, bro.

1:13:35Why don't you go down there and just go down there and write your movie? Here go my keys. The only thing I ask is whatever money that you was going to pay to rent a car or whatever, get that to this organization. That's the type of people that I started being around, bro. And when I started living that kind of life, bro, money and opportunity just came to me. That's perfect. We got to meet them. Yeah. They're hard to meet. They are hard to meet. But let me tell you one other thing that they do that I think is dope. Bro, they'll get together and we don't think like this. They all get together and be like, yo, let's go to Europe.

1:14:09Maybe like bet. All right, man, what you would have paid for the W. Let's all put our money together and rent a castle. That's the kind of shit that is genius. And in actuality, when you really look at it and put it together, the castle will probably end up being cheaper if it's 12 of us. Yeah. And they, when we balling in the castle, bro. Facts. Yeah, but we want to keep it to ourselves. And that's slavery. Stunt as a habit. Get like me. Well, there is one book. Okay. That kind of debunks what you just said. You deserve to be rich. Written by Troy Millings and Rashad Bilal. You're a times bestseller.

1:14:49For the record. You deserve to be rich. Boys buy it. For sure. But y 'all the one that's doing it, though. So you all are the exception to the rule, and that's the only reason why I'm here. Just love, my brother. I appreciate you. David Banner, ladies and gentlemen, always a pleasure every time we get to chop it up. I mean, we got to speak more often, man. Bro, this is special. I can't wait to see this. All right. Ask one more question before we leave. One more. Because it's something that I'm missing. I feel like I'm missing. Well, I was trying to get the crit story out. We kind of went around it.

1:15:23We really didn't answer none of the questions. And I brought it back up because we were having the conversation before we started. And I was like, stop. I want the people to hear that because it was important for a couple of reasons. Number one, brotherhood. But the other one was introspection and retrospect. Like, I'm looking at this differently because a contemporary has showed me something I didn't know. Well, bro, I honestly think that K.R.I.T. is one of the dopest artists on this planet. And I've told him this to his face so I can say it on camera. I had to tell Crit that you are a generational talent.

1:16:04You know, he reminds me of B.B. King. He reminds me of just, bro, just just some artists that take a minute, bro. You know, but they're going to be here for the rest of their life. if crit chose to rap at 80 i think he would be just fine bro and so i told crit man like you got to stop competing bro you ain't got to compete with them they are not you they'll have this moment think about all those artists that was so much more successful than me when i came out but they couldn't give away an album they would pay y 'all to get on here and couldn't get on here bro and so that's the type of artist that crit is and so me and crit talk a lot bro and crit told me he was like i'll tell you the most important thing he told me and i didn't even know that crit thought about me this way crit was like banner no matter what you do you are a threat to america he said whether you, he said, whether you were revolutionary or not, whether you spoke your mind or not, you are six foot two, articulate, thoughtful black man.

1:17:24That's a problem, you know? And when I was going through my depression, Crit was the one that told me that I probably need to move out of my house. I probably would have still been in that house depressed. He said like, bro, like it was a big house bro like a big beautiful house and he was like bro you don't know what spirits are in there and it may be the house and i think he was right because i went back to the house after i moved out of it bro this house is clearly some people's dream house bro it was in the north georgia mountains and it was on top of the mountain bro and i've never seen this nowhere in the world i've gone in the morning right at about 5 36 o 'clock when the sun hits the top of the mountains the whole sky turns red dog like it's mars or something such a beautiful house and it just spiritually wasn't right and crit was like bro you gotta you may have to get out of that house and i moved out of that house because of crit and between you know some of the stuff crit said my mentor and the stories i've told about method man bro um and i'd like to give a shout out to to styles p um sp i'd like to give a shout out to uh jazzy jeff jazzy jeff brought me to his house y 'all i told him to his face i ain't doing no fucking music i ain't no artist no more i'm a fucking actor i ain't doing no verses i ain't doing no beats and he just looked at me and like yeah i ended up doing two verses a beat but jazzy told me something that was so dope he said banner music hasn't done anything but bless you now the the the business of music is something well let Let me ask you this before, because I know you got to go, but my last question is sinners.

1:19:03You talked about sinners. One of the underlying themes in that, to me at least, was that the music attracted the devil. And that's why his father didn't want him to play music. Do you think that the music, especially the music that we're listening to now, is a gateway to negativity, devil activity? Or like you think that is a light for that? But no, but bro, it wasn't. But see, that's the thing about it. It wasn't the type of music he was doing, because if you look at the dance, when everybody came together, it was all types of music. It wasn't just rap music. It was it was the Native American music.

1:19:39It was all of these different types of music. So what it is, is that first of all, people forget. If you think if the devil existed in the way that they say that it did, what was the devil? In that movie? No, in general. Oh, a fallen angel. The angel of what? Music. of music exactly so that's some people say like that so not that music it's music in general and the fact that in actuality bro i don't like saying this a lot but i will only because you asked me bro if you go back and research music music was never meant for public consumption music was meant for spiritual for communication during times of war it was it was spiritual and And I have a friend who actually is a chiropractor and he can manipulate your bones by using certain frequencies.

1:20:32So what we got to understand, bro, we don't even know because we don't study, bro, the frequencies that we're dealing with a lot of times, bro, and what it actually does to the human body. Right. So I think when it came to sinners, bro, it wasn't the type of music that we do because honestly, we are at war. And this is war music. The problem that I have with music is music was supposed to to to to represent the time that we in Like during the time when bad boy and stuff was out. We were the first generation in america in recent times That had disposable money. We was that first generation our parents got the jobs But they really hadn't got the residual effects of that bread yet.

1:21:15So Bad boy at the time was necessary nwa saying fuck the police nobody else had ever done that we needed that at the time but when you see it being commercialized and it being used by the same system that it was meant to fight right and it became and it was mechanized i honestly think and i don't say this much that music is actually for the right hand of the government now bro if you really think about it bro, like 90 % if you really look at it from because I know that you are men of numbers, right? Bro, niggas and bitches. Well, let's say niggas and bitches are probably no, this is important.

1:21:59You heard all this stuff? No, seriously. Niggas and bitches are only about at the most 10 to 20 % of our culture. Let's think about it seriously. Right? But we talk talk about that form of people 90 % of the time. Yeah, right. You understand what I'm saying? So the problem isn't that is the fact that it's being weaponized. And then the fact that people see that we can make money off of the weaponization of our music, they gonna go get the bread, bro. That's what I saw. So when I saw a preacher boy, this is the specific scene when they're like, just give us him and we'll leave everybody else because he had the purest form of music.

1:22:47Even though it was perceived as secular to his parents, it was the purest form. Hold on one second. And Jordan, just so you know, they're not worried about me saying niggas and bitches. They're worried about me saying cracker. So you ain't got to worry about it. Who's that? No, just people in general. Oh, okay, okay. We can call ourselves niggas and bitches. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not worried about that. So don't worry about when I say niggas and bitches. Yeah, which is why at the end, that scene where Michael B. Jordan's in the Coogee, right? And it was very intentional how he was styled.

1:23:16It was like, oh, they've got it. They took it from us. Right? Because I left him alone. He's still pure, but he's been dumbed down now to, now he's just doing nightclubs, right? Which isn't the most popular form, but the guy we're in the Coogee, oh, wait, it's in hip hop. Well, watch this. Yeah, go ahead. I didn't see that, but I did see, what do you call the things in the movies where you give away the secrets? What do you call those? Come on, bro, help me. The little special things that's in movies that's hitting the Easter eggs. The little Easter eggs. Bro, they said something that was so dope that I didn't realize, which makes your theory probably right.

1:24:00They said if you look in the mirror on that scene, his reflection was gone too. Whose reflection? Preacher Boy. Preacher Boy. Because you remember it was him, the white girl, and Preacher Boy. And they were sitting in front of the big long mirror in front of the bar, right? Yeah. If you look, everybody's. Right. But what they say happened was that you remember the scene after that? We're giving away the movie. Go see it. But yeah. But you remember when he was in the church, you saw that? Yeah. If you remember, he looked up. And they were saying that it was a spirit in the sky. And that was when he gave his spirit away.

1:24:41But what I'm saying is, is that either way, what I'll tell you is that that same music that we're talking about can be what leads us to revolution. It can be helpful. Yeah, it can be what leads somebody to God. That's all that they were saying. They want you so we can use your music for what we want to use it for. Right. And so it's powerful within itself. It's the same way that and I'm glad that we can end it like this. I believe it's the same thing with money. Money ain't a net and is it negative? It's the spirit in which you put into it and how you get it. It's a frequency. It's a currency, you know, and you have to earn your leisure.

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