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Earn Your Leisure Podcast Episode Notes
Episode Title
Investing Daily: Is Meta the Top AI Buy Right Now?
Hosts
- Rashad Bilal
- Troy Millings
- Special Guest: Ian Dunlap
Episode Description In this episode, Ian Dunlap and Troy Millings analyze the current landscape of AI stocks, focusing on Meta's resurgence, CoreWeave's risk factors, and Palantir's lofty market valuation. They provide insights into why Meta is considered a strong buy and delve into the complexities surrounding CoreWeave and Palantir.
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Key Topics Discussed
- Meta's Turnaround and Investment Strategy
- Market Performance:
- Significant recovery from 2022 lows.
- Praise for Zuckerberg’s aggressive capital expenditure (CapEx) strategy.
- AI Commitment:
- Investments in AI and data center expansion.
- Success with Meta’s wearable technology.
- Current Stock Position:
- Recent drop in stock price seen as a buying opportunity.
- Ian and Troy expressed confidence in Meta’s growth potential.
- CoreWeave: Debt and Growth Concerns
- Financial Issues:
- Concerns over high debt levels linked to data center expansion.
- Use of lower-tier GPUs could lead to depreciation of assets.
- Partnership with Nvidia:
- Seen as promising but contingent upon avoiding over-reliance on lower-end technology.
- Current Market Status:
- Stock price volatility following IPO lockup period.
- Palantir's Valuation Debate
- High Valuation Concerns:
- Current forward P/E ratio cited as excessively high (185).
- Discussions around what could be considered a fair value ($21-$30 range).
- Revenue vs. Market Expectations:
- Concerns about Palantir meeting revenue expectations.
- The company's reliance on government contracts and its role in defense tech.
- Leadership Analysis:
- Praise for CEO Alex Karp, but concerns linger regarding the business's broader impact.
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Insights and Opinions
- Meta:
- Both hosts agree that Meta is undervalued currently and express a bullish stance.
- Ian noted Zuckerberg’s strategic timing with investments contrasts with Apple’s more cautious approach.
- CoreWeave:
- Troy's reservations about debt and asset depreciation reflect a cautious investment outlook.
- Palantir:
- Debate reflects broader concerns within the tech industry about inflated valuations amidst an AI hype cycle.
- Ian and Troy recognize the potential for growth but caution against current price levels.
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Conclusion This episode offers listeners valuable insights into the shifting landscape of AI investments, highlighting the growth potential of Meta amidst concerns about CoreWeave's financial stability and Palantir's high valuation. The hosts encourage critical evaluation of stock positions in a volatile market, making this discussion a vital resource for investors navigating these trends.
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Timestamps
- 00:00 - Meta’s AI comeback and investment strategy
- 02:29 - CoreWeave’s debt dilemma and Nvidia connection
- 05:44 - Palantir’s valuation and market risks
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Call to Action Join the discussion in the comments! Are you bullish on Meta, or does Palantir’s valuation scare you off? Let's engage and share insights! #EarnYourLeisure #Meta #AIStocks #Investing #Palantir #CoreWeave #MarketMondays
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4:13They have products now. The glasses are doing pretty well. The glasses are doing incredibly well. Their data center expansion and their vision for AI, all pun intended, is very clear. It's going to cost. Their understanding of that. I think people took his cadence during the earnings call a little to heart and said he was a little too lackluster and a little frivolous about how be speaking about this cap backs but it's a spiritual investment that's the part that's it if he did okay and i was super critical of the metaverse investment that in that story but he's investing into the right things at the right price at the right time to not be left behind when apple didn't and they get punished makes no sense you can argue i won't do it this week but this year Zuckerberg has been better than Cook there's no question the resurgence has been incredible right like we're talking I mean it was down in the 490s I know it pulled back obviously during the deep seek thing but it's rebound it was at 7 over like 750 at one point 749 and obviously it's pulled back here and you know it's probably one of those golden rules of investment for me if an asset that I truly truly believe in is at a discount if it's between 20 to 30 % and I also see the options down 30-40 % it hits the check check check check all I got to do now is execute and Meta has done that and it's done it again might have to reposition it but yeah operating margin 45 % net margin is 32 % which is the opposite for a company like again all these companies not created equal we've been speaking about it and I know it's one of the companies you just said, but we've been saying six months, six months, that's been our golden rule.
6:11Six months came in September. It's been trending downwards since they reported earnings. And I like CoreWeb. I've always said I liked it. The only thing that troubled me was the debt. Right? Like their data center expansion, it's not, they had to take on debt to expand. Now they do have NVIDIA as a partner, but when you think of how they're using nvidia right like nvidia is supplying uh gpus to them but they're not the top of the line gpus right like it's not blackwell it's not blackwell ultra it's not ruben they were using the h20s and so the hoppers um for those who are in the know but when you think about that right like people are going to lease that compute but they're leasing it at a lower tier model, right?
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11:28And then it's Ruben, it's Ruben. And so that becomes a depreciating asset. That business model is interesting, but the debt that they're taking on to expand is concerning because they have to generate a certain amount of revenue just to offset it. and it doesn't look like they're doing that right now, which is why you saw the stock fall so greatly from, I think,$149. I think it's trading at like$70 now. So that's my slight issue with Corweave. I think it'll be here, obviously, as NVIDIA has a vested stake in them. That's my major concern with Corweave. Even with that, Corweave having a partnership with NVIDIA, Corweave's a mistress with a lot of debt.
12:08Just because you get to hang out once a week, it does not mean that your primary investment is over with. All y 'all who kept acting like y 'all were in the video, it's over with. Something dead is good. Just a prime example of why it's not. No. You're saying they're over with, Corey? Not saying that. They're not A-class. No. I started it by saying all the companies are not A-class. But it's a lot of people who were like, well, they're going to... People traded it and they did make money. So I'm not mad at those people who like hey i was part of the ipo when it was at 40 then it ran great i'm all for that's dope if you were in the private market but even the people at the private shit they got rid of it that's a shot that's all the stock game they're the seller that's why i said we gotta wait six months because after that six month hold up we're gonna see people say all right we're taking profit we've made money we've had it pre-ipo this is a nice run up let's let's take some profit off the table for events like this where it's now trading at 70 um so we'll see where it heads over the next couple weeks.
13:09We'll see. Wednesday, again, will be a teller, right? They'll bounce back eventually and get back into the 90s, the 100 range. But that run up from 40 to like 170. Yeah, it was crazy. Overvalued. Chat. Put in chat. Hit the like button and share. What about Pounder? I think Pounder's issue is his valuation. The valuation is too high, bro. What's the number? 17 something? 1700 is too high like great company i don't like what they do i'm starting to like alex a hell of a lot as the ceo i won't lie i don't like the mission because of how it affects black and brown people but when it ran from 584 to 207 great returns if you made money on it i'm incredibly happy but i I don't know.
14:04Technically, okay. If Palantir is publicly traded and the real goodness, much coverage and lore around it is scary. If I'm a Palantir owner for sure. Now, is there an ecosystem where both of them can thrive? And I think of course, Alex is a Elon ask CEO, where he's driving a lot of the value through his vision, work ethic, selection and curation of executive management team, for sure. But the valuation on this company is too high. And I even think if you look at Peter Thiel and Alex, if you got them in a private conversation, they would tell you the same thing. Like the true range, they should be in the one 21 30 range if they were there there would be more room to to go but they hit their half of the year for sure the forward p is 185 that's fucking insane so i mean the the revenue the revenue isn't matching that just yet will it um at some point right we're talking about the amount of government contracts that they will secure and i'm not just talking domestically i'm talking like global government contracting that i'm sure that they'll play a role in yeah that number that that that revenue has to come in at some at some point that could even match this i think they're they're a victim of hey this thing has run too high people are talking about an ai bubble this is ai tech in the in the uh sense of having defense tech who is the poster child for high valuation i think they're the poster child and this is this is the repercussions of it just pull back here after the nvidia trade took off so well everyone was looking for the next thing to park money into great company once again don't like the mission earners what's up you ever walk into a small business and everything just works like the checkout is fast the receipts are digital tipping is a breeze and you're out the door before the line even builds odds are they're using square we love supporting businesses that run on square because it just feels seamless whether it's a local coffee shop a vendor at a pop-up market or even one of our merch partners square makes it easy for them to take payments manage inventory and run their business with confidence all from one simple system.
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In this Market Mondays clip, Ian Dunlap and Troy Millings dissect the AI stock landscape—focusing on Meta’s stunning turnaround, CoreWeave’s risk profile, and the heated debate on Palantir’s sky-high valuation. Troy shares why Meta is a “buy” for him following its recent dip, praising Mark Zuckerberg’s aggressive CapEx strategy and commitment to AI innovation—including the success of Meta’s wearable glasses and major data center expansion. Ian, once skeptical of Meta’s Metaverse investments, highlights how Zuckerberg’s recent investments are landing at the right time—contrasting this with Apple’s more reserved approach and arguing Zuckerberg may have outperformed Tim Cook in 2023. The conversation shifts to CoreWeave, where Troy identifies concerns over debt levels and depreciating assets as the company expands its data centers. He notes that although CoreWeave’s partnership with Nvidia is promising, relying on lower-tier GPUs and significant borrowing could hamper long-term prospects. Both agree that after the IPO lockup period, many investors wisely took profits as the stock pulled back dramatically. When it comes to Palantir, Ian and Troy spar over its mammoth valuation. Ian recognizes Alex Karp’s capable leadership but points out that Palantir’s forward P/E of 185 is far too high, even suggesting its fair value would be in the $21-$30 range rather than its recent peaks. Troy echoes concerns about revenue matching expectations, labeling Palantir as the “poster child” for inflated AI stock valuations, driven by its global government contracts and status as a defense-tech leader. Whether you’re looking for sharp opinions on big tech moves or cautionary tales from the AI investment craze, this clip delivers invaluable insights for navigating today’s volatile stock market. *Timestamps:*
- 00:00 — Meta’s AI comeback and investment strategy
- 02:29 — CoreWeave’s debt dilemma and Nvidia connection
- 05:44 — Palantir’s valuation and market risks
*Join the discussion in the comments below! Are you bullish on Meta or does Palantir’s valuation scare you off?* #Meta #AIStocks #StockMarket #Investing #Palantir #CoreWeave #TechStocks #MarketMondays
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