The Craziest Child Support Story You've Ever Heard! Proof That The System Is Broken

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3:49There's been a default judgment. It's been seven years. There's nothing that can be done. And that went on for another 13 years. So, all right, let's unpack the situation a little bit. So you found out that you had a child support case seven years after it was filed? Yes. So the child support case was filed in 2000, let's say. You found out in 2007, seven years after that a child support case was filed, meaning that the child was already seven years old at least. Correct. Correct. So you didn't even know you had a child. So there. So we got to take it back when you ask. So the child was conceived when I was 12 years old.

4:32When you were 12? When I was 12. What year was this? This was at that time it was 1992, 1991, somewhere around there. Okay. So it was a while ago. Yeah. So I was aware that a child was born. Again, I'm 12 years old at the time. I've always maintained like I never penetrated the woman. Like I'm 12 years old. We don't know what we're doing. I know that she had a child, but here we go. Now it's it's seven years after I turned 18. So I now just understand I'm 12 from 12 to 18. there's nothing when i get to 18 to now i'm it's seven years because they started 25 25 yeah yeah so they started the case as soon as when i turned 18 years old so when i uh seven years after that that's when i found out about the case wow so the child is a teenager yes at that point yeah yeah and you had never seen a child before no never how so when you went to court what happened so now here's the thing when i went to court there was no um i i took them to court based on in order to understand that so look i tell them they start suspending my license in order for me to keep my license i had to enter into another agreement with them on top of the money that they already start taking I'm paying them an additional$50 so I can keep my license but every year my license got suspended so for 13 years we're doing this dance and I contact them one day my license gets suspended I'm saying hey well you know why do we keep going through this it's like I don't even know why I'm doing this anyway this fraud and the lady said fraud like what do you mean it's fraud like you got served and I'm like wait I got served she said yeah well you got served I said well tell me what day I got served She placed me on hold She comes back I'm sorry Mr.

6:37Tillman We do not have your signature I said before I can say anything The lady says but that don't matter anyway You volunteered into the program I said I did what? She said yeah you volunteered a program We had your signature She placed me on hold Comes back and says again I'm sorry Mr. Tillman We don't have your signature So from that point I knew that they were supposed to serve me And that child support was voluntary And they said that I volunteered into the program so i just started doing research what else are they supposed to do so once i studied their procedures in and that's in 45 cfr that's called the federal regulations and 42 usc united state code it has all of their guidelines there so once i seen what they were supposed to do i just started i went to the court to get the documents that they filed against me in the very beginning to see if they follow their own procedures so okay you go through this procedure but So for the audience, is the child yours or not?

7:31Because that's going to be the number one thing everyone wants to know. Is the child yours or no? No. So now here's the thing. Even with that, I requested DNA testing. They told me that DNA testing could be done. I asked the they said in order for DNA testing to be done at this point, it has to go through the woman. I submitted documents to her to take DNA testing. She declined the DNA testing. So what I did was I presented evidence and then the courts actually said, well, wait a minute. At the time he the child was conceived, he was 12 years old. This child may not have even been able to produce semen at that time.

8:14So there's no way possible that this child could have conceived another child at 12 years old. but the state just neglected this fact so the courts ruled based on that that i was not the father of the child so okay so you're from compton california you're from compton california yeah crazy oh so at 12 years old you you have intercourse with a girl who's 13 years old saying she's a little older than you i touched we didn't have i never penetrated her just touched it i never penetrated her she you don't you you lose contract you you keep in contact with her throughout the years or no no this i was 12 years old she was my cousin's friend i met her that same day so just all right so you don't you don't speak to her again no um when you're 18 you don't you don't know this but she files child support on you no she got cash aid food stamps and a benefits because she was a minor herself when she had the child.

9:18So when they do the cash aid, the food stamps, and the benefits, they go and go after the non-custodial parent to repay this grant. So it was a fall on the estate. And then you find out that when you're 25 that you got all of this back child support that you owe? Correct. It was$24 ,000 in arrears at that point. $24 ,000? Yes. That they issued out. They didn't issue a full $24 ,000 to her, they add on a 10 % compounded interest every year onto every dollar. So your dollars are having babies. Ernest, what's up? Look, if you're building a business today, your website isn't just a digital business card.

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13:13And it's not even your kid. And it's not even my kid. but but that we've seen it many times to where parents actually take dna testing and find out that they're not the father but they're still obligated they're still the legal father because they created a parent-child relationship with that child or they went through the process or there was a default and now they're deemed the legal father yeah um i know i know somebody who's like in new york i believe it's like two years you have two years to contest that you're not the father. And if you pay child support and then like, let's say in year three, you find out that you're not the father, you still got to pay child support, whatever means it's possible.

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16:26first i found out that um child support is voluntary let's just start there um they they you have to consent in order to participate in this program the consent it's a contract there has to be what are the fundamentals of a contract they have to be offered and accepted as they send out a summons and in order for them to start the actual case you must be given notice of the x that once you establish paternity there has to be they have to provide both parents notice by audio having putting on some headphones watching a video or someone literally telling you what are the legal consequences of establishing voluntary paternity what are the legal consequences license suspensions passports income withholding orders all of these things that 45 cfr 303.5 says that at a minimum they must do these things if they do not then paternity was never established

17:36for anyone who because you've had the internet on fire the last six months um why do you say the child support is fraud child support is fraud because they don't follow their own procedures There's something called the separation of powers. And this is not my opinion. This is fact. There is a Supreme Court case law called Holmberg versus Holmberg, Holmberg versus Holmberg, where child support services was found guilty of violating the separation of powers. What is the separation of powers? There's three branches of government, judicial, legislative and executive branch. If you participate in one branch of government, you cannot participate in the other branch of government.

18:15But somehow child support was able to create their own family codes. That's legislative. They enforce their own child support orders and modify them. That falls under the executive branch and they find you guilty or have a hearing in their own child support administrative hearings, which is they're participating in the judicial branch, even though they are administrative and that they have been found guilty of violating the separations of powers. And when they said it's also unconstitutional. So anything that conflicts with the United States Constitution, any state statute or any state constitution that conflicts with the United States Constitution is null and void because the United States Constitution and Supreme Court case law is the supreme law of the land.

19:05So, OK, child support. I did some research. Thirty two billion dollars was collected in twenty twenty one. in child support, right? So it's obviously business is booming these days. For sure. To say the least. To say the least. To say the least, right? It's one of these things that I don't think no one's ever prepared. If you've ever been put on child support, it's like getting punched in the back of the head. There's no... You don't see it coming. Just give you the paper. you've been served like Nick Cannon. So for somebody that's in that situation, right? And I don't want to make this, I don't want, because it's a very sensitive topic and a lot of women, there's a lot of deadbeat dads out there, right?

19:54True. Yes. So what would be your advice? Let's start for men that have just been served and they about to go through the process. And then what's your advice for women who actually have a legitimate case, have a father who's not doing anything and and they they're going through the process. Got it. Well, so first, I'm not an attorney, so I can't provide legal advice. Just my experience dealing with child support. First, if a person was served with child support, the very first thing that I did was once I found out what they were supposed to do, I went down to the clerk's office. I obtained copies of the summons, the complaint, the proof of service.

20:37I had a default judgment and the actual order because that's what a remedy is. In order for child support to move forward and this case to be valid, those documents have to be filed correctly. It has to be under the seal of the court and signed by the clerk thereof. That's 28 U.S.C. 1691. The person also has to be served if they're not served correctly within three and a half years. There's a Supreme Court case law called County of San Diego versus Gorham, where it says that that judgment is void. And it's it's a naughty past, present and future. Anything that comes through it and anything flows out of it is void.

21:18As far as on the women's side, I don't advocate for parents to take care of their children. I just challenged the child support system to follow to make sure that it follows its own procedures. I I said it many times. I absolutely 1000 percent. If a man or woman is not taking care of their children, they 1000 percent need to be on child support. They need to be on. That's just that's just what I am is is no way around it. If that person is not taking care of their responsibility, they need to be on child support. And how does that how does that happen? A person can go down to child support services and start a case.

21:55And the it's a crazy there's no checks and balances there because I was actually in the child support office with my phone. And a young lady walks in and say, hey, I want to start a child support case. The very first thing that comes out the receptionist mouth is you got a social security number. That is a crime. You just you cannot you cannot give someone's social security number. without their consent. Then how do you do a claim then if you can't give your social security number? Well, you can provide any information because they have services on the... Oh, they track it. They track it. They'll check it on their hand.

22:32I track it with the social security administration, the hospitals, the birth records, agencies. So once they get enough information, they can go on the back end and they can use their services to locate that person. But I can't just give you in social security number and say, hey, that you just can't do that. For the fellows that didn't have your expertise when they signed their agreements, do you have any advice for men that are currently on child support to get modifications? Or do you counsel in any way to help them that may be paying a little bit too much or may want to get some modifications in their current child support case?

23:12Yeah, so modifications, it's a tricky thing because anybody in order to get a modification, there has to be a change, a significant change in circumstances. So just say Rashad is on child support and he says, OK, I lost my job. I go down to the court to get a modification. I lost my job. So what they're going to look and say, OK, well, Mr. Rashad, you made in 2023, you made eighty thousand dollars. You have a day. You have the you have the potential to make that eighty thousand dollars a day. So therefore, you don't qualify for a modification. You have the potential to make. So it doesn't matter that the fact that you are you lost your job, that doesn't matter.

24:00But the thing is, when you a modification, that is also part of consent because you're asking a modification, a motion. You're asking, you're recognizing the court's authority and you're giving them jurisdiction over you. They have something very tricky. It's something called a general appearance that says for when a person walks into that courtroom for any reason that recognizes the court's authority. You're giving them jurisdiction over you and the jurisdiction challenge is wave. You're waving all your rights to combat that. a person has to go in there and say i'm not making a general appearance or making something called a special appearance which now a lot of states are trying to pull back up from special appearance because it's costing them money so all right child support it almost ruins your life right you you got out you got out of that but only 25 000 at 24 that's that could potentially ruin your life um and the story wasn't your kid all the what what's some of the worst stories that you've heard, I'm sure a lot of people reach out to you.

25:04What's some of the worst thoughts? This is important for people to understand, right? Because a lot of people don't have sympathy for people that's paying child support. They're like, look, you made the baby. It's on you. I don't want to hear about it. They had never been through the system. Going through the child support, it's like the bullpen. You with the riffraff. Yeah, for real. You with the riffraff. It's like if you are a real person that is like, you know, a real responsible person, it's humiliating. It's actually very humiliating to actually have to vote for them. So I want to kind of, I think this is important for people to kind of have a different framework.

25:42So can you tell, you told your story, but paint a picture of how child support can ruin somebody's life. How child support can ruin somebody's life. So the first story that comes to my mind is a young lady. And we had this conversation and I posted it last year. She had, it was a female. She had sole custody of her kids. Her ex-husband went and got on a county and said that he has the kids. They started a child support case against her and they start garnishing her checks, even though the children lived with her. He lived in a whole nother county. She had to go. Ask yourself, what are your best people spending their time on right now?

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28:4434 to 48 % fewer calories than regular products. Calorie content has been reduced on average from 162 to 92 calories per serving. Data accurate as of two 2026 and fight to prove that the kids resided with her and they even she never got served. They said that they served her at a home. Her employer came to the hearing and said that she was at work on this day. And they said, well, that doesn't matter. It's insufficient because the process service certified under penalty of perjury that they served you at at your home. so they wanted to modify it to zero and you know just from the education that i provided and my guy one credit guy provided she was like look i don't want no modification i want it actually dismissed so they end up dismissing her case but these are some of the some of the horror stories to one guy he was put on child support at five years old what what i bullcrap you not oh what when you look when you look at his uh original summons it has his birthday saying he was been on child support since he was five years old now obviously this was a clerical mistake but they have it on his record that he's been on child support since five years old and they've been charging him and charging him and they will not correct at all people that have been incarcerated said that they were served personally where they was in the feds one of my guys he just got his case dismissed in december he was on child support for 23 years suspended his license bank levies all of these things he was incarcerated when they said that they actually served him personally he went in he took one of my master classes we looked at to go in they dismissed this case after 23 years even in my situation the process server said that they served me which i later proved they served me at a vacant house the house was vacant i had to los angeles county department of water and power to come testify on my behalf so i made la county testify against LA County to say, look, on this date at this time, we didn't even have no service there.