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Episode Title
The Harsh Truth: Is It Time to Sell Apple Stock in 2025?
Episode Overview In this episode, hosts Troy Millings, Rashad Bilal, and Ian Dunlap discuss whether it's time to sell Apple stock, especially following the underwhelming announcements from Apple's recent WWDC. The conversation delves into Apple’s innovation struggles, particularly in the AI sector, and debates the effectiveness of current leadership under Tim Cook.
Key Discussion Points
- Disappointment from WWDC
- Ian Dunlap describes the event as the “most disappointing in the last 15 years.”
- Predictions made: If Apple doesn’t deliver significant AI advancements by 2026, Dunlap will recommend selling all Apple positions.
- Current Performance and Innovation Concerns
- Apple has experienced three consecutive months of stock decline.
- The consensus is that Apple has missed key opportunities in the AI race, falling behind competitors like Microsoft, OpenAI, Google, and Meta.
- Criticism of Apple’s rumored innovations (e.g., “liquid glass”) as potentially out of touch with current tech demands.
- Leadership and Company Culture
- Debate on whether Tim Cook should step down, with suggestions for new leadership to revitalize innovation.
- Concerns that the current leadership is too insulated, preventing the company from recognizing and adapting to market shifts.
- Strategic Missed Opportunities
- Discussion of significant partnerships that Apple could have pursued (e.g., OpenAI partnerships, acquiring DJI).
- Comparisons drawn to other companies like Canva and Meta that have made notable advancements in AI.
- Potential Solutions and Future Directions
- Query on how Apple’s large cash reserve ($130 billion) could be used effectively to catch up in AI.
- Suggestions that if Apple chooses to focus on sectors other than AI, clear communication of that strategy is necessary.
Key Takeaways
- Immediate Actions for Investors: Investors should closely monitor Apple’s performance and innovation outputs over the next year, especially in AI.
- Cultural Shift Needed: A potential overhaul in leadership may be necessary to rejuvenate Apple's innovation strategies.
- Comparative Analysis: Understanding Apple's position relative to competitors can guide investment decisions and future stock performance predictions.
Conclusion The episode presents a critical view of Apple's future, emphasizing the urgency for significant changes in innovation and leadership to reclaim its standing in the technology market. Investors are left grappling with the decision of whether to hold onto Apple stock or to look for opportunities elsewhere in the tech sector as 2025 approaches.
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3:22Microsoft versus Apple. Okay. Can we just be honest? We won't even need to lead up. Most disappointing WWDC I've seen in the last, let me be hyperbolic and sensational, last 15 years. AI got kicked down the road to 2026. This is my announcement. If Apple does not deliver a significant AI development in 2026, I'm going to tell everybody to sell all on Apple. You want to say what? That's strong. That's next year. So you potentially, as of a couple of months, you could potentially liquidate every Apple position? Why? Okay, well, let's go to some facts. They are three months in the negative with no prospects for doing better.
4:23You've had, I'm not even including Cursor or any of the startups who have made significant headwinds in AI. They've just missed the ball at every turn. I know they have the Anthropic Partnership they talked about, but to be a tech leader and not have a significant, we got liquid glass. nobody asks for that no one asks for the emoji con like it's just you is is them not reading the room it's like if i'm go ahead no i only got because i want to give somebody some high praise shout out to sanat i know we brought her up last week sanat bovell who's one of the most incredible minds when it comes to ai in terms of the liquid glass she had a dope post and maybe we'll repost it y 'all go check her out but she said that you're right nobody asks for the liquid glass when it comes to the phone but that might be a hint at something that they are developing, which could be eyewear, right?
5:24Because the technology of the glass is to see transparently, and so how do you interact with the world while having glass on? That's the technology that they said. Who needs it on a phone? You're not looking. But if they develop the technology, is that now a precursor for what is to come? Which kind of got me thinking like, they better have something that this is going to be useful for. Won't they be better than the Meta Ray-Bans? Meta Ray-Bans is clicking. I can't front. I see people just wearing those outside. I can't front. Okay. Imagine if we talked about investing and like I just missed NVIDIA being pro Chevron.
6:03That is the equivalent of what Apple has done. Google has made significant headwinds. The partnership with Microsoft and OpenAI. It doesn't get talked about that Apple could have bought into that same partnership structure with OpenAI. They missed Claude. We talked about it on the hardware standpoint. They missed buying DJI. They've just missed on too many fronts. And it seems like that the leadership culture is so insulated amongst each other, they're not seen and looking ahead to what's next. Love the company. but I just think it's either time to either Tim Cook goes to the chairman seat and they need another CEO or they need significant headwinds in AI development like there's 30 companies that are available that could be for purchase that would help like Siri probably is the worst performing automation tool in all of tech in comparison so Canva has made bigger headwinds in AI than Apple.
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7:24But doesn't that treasure chest almost give it some leeway to say whatever's next and whatever, like everybody agrees that AI is in its infancy stages are still in the first maybe second inning that treasure chest that they have that a hundred and whatever 30 billion that they have they're parking in treasuries like a hedge fund but they could potentially just skip the line and say that's the next technology hey we got it but they still have a chance or is it too late open ai so far ahead that that is clearly going to be the technology and everybody else playing second place okay here's the landscape cursor ai grok xai open ai anthropic camp does canva that's six companies that have gotten significantly better three of which they could have purchased they it's not the issue of capital it's um it's a leadership issue so no different than like tibetal had a good team couldn't get to the promised land.
8:25Now, I'm not saying that Tim is Thibodeau, but having the capital and not allocating them properly are two different things. Or I would respect it more if they just said, hey, we're not going to invest significantly into AI, but we're going to focus on these sectors. I can live with that. What happened to the developments in healthcare they were doing three or four years ago went to the wayside. And I keep bringing this up, that beef that Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg has clouded Tim Cook's judgment for the last three years. Even with the car. The car thing was to get Elon out of the way because they had a little kerfuffle.
9:04And the issue isn't the employees or some of the SVPs there. It's the upper management that is stopping this from happening. So I just need to see more. And quiz question for everyone tonight. How much has it dropped since October of last year? Well, so, okay. There's a consistent reactive versus a proactive in terms of innovation. You're right. And this isn't one of those cases where they can let everyone else develop the technology and they come in and take it. Right. It's too far ahead for that. An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child in Massachusetts. An MS-13 gang member from El Salvador accused of murdering a Texas man.
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In this clip from Market Mondays, hosts Troy Millings, Rashad Bilal, and Ian Dunlap tackle the burning question on every tech investor’s mind: Is it time to sell Apple stock? With Apple’s latest WWDC leaving many underwhelmed and AI innovation seemingly lagging behind major competitors like Microsoft, OpenAI, Google, and Meta, the crew dives deep into what's next for one of the world’s most valuable companies.
Ian Dunlap doesn’t pull any punches, calling this year’s WWDC the “most disappointing in the last 15 years” and sets a bold ultimatum—if Apple doesn’t deliver significant AI development by 2026, he’ll recommend liquidating all Apple positions. With Apple three months in the red and missing key opportunities in the AI race, the discussion turns to real concerns about their innovation culture and leadership under Tim Cook.
The hosts debate whether Apple’s rumored features like “liquid glass” are true innovation or just signs that they’re out of touch with the current tech landscape. Is Apple’s massive $130 billion cash reserve enough to let them play catch-up, or has leadership missed too many strategic chances? The conversation gets candid about how the company missed out on big partnerships and acquisitions—including possibilities with OpenAI and DJI.
Troy and Rashad bring counterpoints, questioning if Apple’s war chest could still secure its spot in AI’s future, or if the era of “reactive” rather than “proactive” innovation has put them irreversibly behind. They also examine how other companies—like Canva, Meta and Anthropic—are now making bigger AI leaps than Apple, and what that signals for investors.
Should Tim Cook step aside for new leadership? Is it too late for Apple to reclaim its innovative edge? And if you’re considering selling Apple stock, where should you move your money next? Get the harsh truth, plus a look at what’s happening at the upper management level that could be holding Apple back from real breakthroughs.
Whether you’re a tech investor, Apple fan, or concerned shareholder, this clip is packed with unfiltered insights and actionable perspectives on Apple’s future in AI.
*Watch now to find out if it’s time to cash out or hold on. Don’t miss the debate that could shape your portfolio decisions for 2025!*
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