This Man Turned Plastic Into Fuel… And It Could Save the World‼️ | Julian Brown

34:01I wasn't interested in just getting people that just want to throw me money just because and I don't even like know who they are. And so I knew if I could get publicity online for this, raise funds that way, like through donations, then that can give me, I guess, a running way to be able to continue to build and innovate to where I can have a better position, a better leverageable position on on how I want to go forward with this. And so that was my strategy because I realized a lot of inventors kind of mess up in the place of kind of holding it all to themselves. And nobody knows about it. And then if something happens to them, I mean, nobody even knew what you were building until after the fact.

34:42You know, so I'm like, I'm going to do something different and we're going to see if it works. It's a risk because, you know, I'm posting it online. Somebody could just rebuild it, but we'll see where it goes. So anyway, I built the next machine, Mark III. It was the first machine to have an agitation system. It had a big auger on the inside. It was a horizontal machine at this point and it had almost like think about like a it was an auger blade So it was almost like a gigantic spring on the inside that could rotate the plastic now that machine blew up And that was the first machine to ever have an incident Um, yes, I built it up outside.

35:11I built it from a 55 gallon drum so just so you're building these different Verticals of microwaves that's melting a plastic right? does does it also enrich the plastic does the plastic need to be enriched in order for it to be used for like as as gasoline is that part of the machine as well is that another process that's a another process and i'll get into that in a second because um at this point i didn't even really have um a specific uh refining method that i was using in place okay so like i said the mark three machine blew up because i built it i have a 55 gallon drum two thin of metal i built mark four this machine was built out of propane tanks much thicker metal at this point i was really starting to get publicity online because now i was making fuel with these machines i started to put testing engines like weed rackers and stuff but here's how this works to answer your question the plastic can go in the machine in any form mixed plastic dirty plastic doesn't matter it could be mixed with food to be mixed with motor oil does not matter it goes in the machine and it will all be broken down from the heat of the microwaves into that petroleum vapor.

36:19Now that petroleum vapor, after it cools down, it becomes a crude oil. Now this crude oil is crude oil, so you can't just put it in an engine. You have to do another process called distillation. Fractional distillation to refine that crude oil into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel. Now fractional distillation is the exact process we use in every refiner on earth to this day to take crude oil, make gasoline, diesel and jet fuel that's kind of like what we've been hearing about the venezuelan oil yes it has to be distilled they don't have the refinery exactly gotcha exactly so i at this point uh built a distiller because i'm like okay i'm making this crude oil but it's not it doesn't work in an engine as is this sounds who are you are you funding this or are the people now donating to you to fund it because this all sounds like obviously very invative but it also could be expensive.

37:11Yeah, oh, very much so. And that's why I would be literally doing the most ghetto methods possible and taking apart microwaves from scrapyards and taking and literally getting propane tanks from scrapyards and draining all the propane out and cutting them open and welding them together because I'm like, I don't have the funds to, you know, go and buy fresh new metal, go and buy a new microwave parts. But people at this point were starting to donate, but it wasn't really flowing like that because I never asked for donations. I was coming from the perspective of, I'm going to go viral. I'm going to get ad revenue.

37:43And then that's going to fund me. And TikTok was paying here and there. It was nothing crazy. So I was still working at the school. And I was also, I started my own welding company called Jabez Metalwork. And I was going around here in Atlanta doing welding jobs for people. And so between all of those avenues, you know, a little bit of ad revenue here and there, welding company, working at the school as an assistant teacher, and then some donations, I was making enough money to just make it work. and um and then um that mark 4 machine uh i did make my first distiller i built it and i made gasoline put it into a weed whacker that was the first engine to ever operate it was awesome but then that mark 4 machine caught on fire and i was in my parents backyard at this time because i put all my money into this you know not even getting an apartment or anything and uh and when that happened they're like we don't want you operating these anymore and then i'm like gang and then that was the first time I ever, I think, I had ever put my cash app on anything when I had that fire.

38:38Because I'm like, guys, I just need some type of support because it almost caught their house on fire. Like, you know, I had to repair things. And then there was such a rush of support. Like, more than I ever thought. Because at that point, I never felt comfortable even, like, asking for any type of donation. But I'm like, you know, you guys see I'm passionate. I already been through one of these machines exploding. This one caught on fire. And then at that point, I'm like, oh, so people really will get behind us at this point. Because at this point on TikTok, I think I had half a million subscribers or followers.

39:04And then on Instagram, I had like a few thousand. But anyway, then I realized, OK, there's we can do something with this. So I took a break, a hiatus for about half a year because I didn't know how I wanted to go about this. Because, you know, like I said, I didn't have any property and my parents told me you can't do this anymore. So then I kind of told them, I said, hey, six months later, I'm like, listen, guys, you see, I have all the support online. You see, people will donate. Here's what I'm thinking. I'm going to build my next machine in the backyard, okay and people will give donations and get excited for it and then through those donations we'll raise the money to buy the property we need to actually put this on and I told them I'll build it but I'll never turn it on, that was our deal, now I knew in my head I was lying because I knew if I really want to get these donations I'm going to have to build that machine and turn it on but anyway, then I built the next machine, Mark 4.5 Now, the reason why it's 4.5 and not Mark 5 is because I always promised everybody that Mark 5 would be the first professionally built machine that wasn't ghetto anymore.

40:05It wasn't microwave parts and propane tanks. Mark 4.5 was built out of 300-pound propane tanks that were cut and welded together. Microwave parts from scrapyard microwaves. Microwaves people donate to me. Don't on there. This is the biggest machine. This is the machine everybody knows me for now. So at this point that machine just by the size and stature of it now it was starting to really pick up right? I was starting to get a lot more donations starting to get At this point my Instagram was starting to blow up. I started I think I had like a hundred two hundred thousand followers on Instagram and then I made a little bit of fuel from it that then I powered in the first vehicle at this point I put I made some diesel because I made gasoline diesel and jet fuel and I put the diesel inside of a 1993 Ford F-350 truck that another influencer named Rachel Cook, she bought in Florida and drove it up to Georgia just to see if this was the first vehicle ever.

41:03So like when I was asking my supporters like, hey, does anybody want to donate your vehicle to be the first? Everybody was like, hell no, we're not doing that. No, sorry. You know, nobody in my life was willing to do that. But she, Rachel Cook, being an influencer herself, she already had money. So she just was like, I believe in you. She bought a truck drove it up and then we put the diesel in and then it worked And then now I really start to pick up because now people are like oh because that's up to that point Everybody was like you're making you're not making fuel. You're just making light.

41:30That's trash You just don't work as far as when you say it worked She had to empty the tank. You can't mix can you can't mix what you're sure doing a plastic with the gas? Yeah, you can't you cannot do that, right? Well, you can but if you do that then it's not a realistic test because it's like it still has gas Right, right. So she had to empty the tank. So here's what happened. We had such a small quantity of the diesel, we couldn't empty the tank. We had to empty. We had to basically go into the engine and essentially empty all the diesel from the engine and pour my diesel directly into the engine.

42:00Okay. Right? And so that's what we did for her truck. And it worked. It ran, and then you could literally even smell from the exhaust that this was a different fuel in there. How long did it run for? It ran for actually a decent amount of time because we had about I had about half a gallon and I only ended up putting a quarter gallon in the fuel filter, fuel filter bowl area. And then just off of that little bit, we ran the truck around this parking lot like 10 times and then it still had some in there. So how much plastic does it take? Did it take to get to the half a gallon? So the average conversion rate is about 10 pounds to a gallon.

42:38The reason I had so little was because, like I said, in the middle of me making that, my last machine had burned down and I couldn't make any more from that point forward. But then anyway, with Mark 4.5 doing that, you know, and then the machine was big. Now I was really starting to pick up on all social medias. But then a big incident happened. One day I was distilling, refining, which is, you know, literally boiling the crude oil to make it gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. And it blew up. It literally exploded. And I was in the explosion. And it was like a fireball. and then it gave me second degree burns on my legs and I had to go to the hospital and then at that point my parents were like you're done you're done enough is enough and so then they said if you want to continue working on this we support you and all we love you and all but you can't do it here anymore I don't know how we never got the HOA calling us we got a strict HOA but I think all my neighbors are with the mission because we never got the HOA called even after a mushroom cloud explosion As a matter of fact, I have these scars on my foot You see where it looks like I have vitiligo on both sides of my foot Let me see if the camera can get it Yeah, yeah, you see That's gonna burn?

43:46Yeah, second degree burns I had to go to the hospital to get burn surgery for that I couldn't walk for about a month I was in crutches Is this where you went missing? No, no, no We're about to get there Okay, boom So, yeah, that was the summer before that happened This is a book, man And actually, I'm gonna be writing a book soon uh that's a different thing we'll get to that yeah we'll get there but um anyway blew myself up hospital all this got out and my parents are like no more and i'm like but here's the thing we have this country property that we have family property out in alabama um around selma that you can go work on out there because there's no hoa out there it's you know country property the catch is it's four hours away but i'm and i'm like well i'm kind of too far into the mission now Because like at this point i'm still coming from the perspective of like i've seen how much people support me and i'm like I'm, not about to dilute my company out of desperation For a place to do this because of course people at this point were always offering like hey, let me invest Let me look but it was always predatory and type of things people like hey, you know Let me let me give you fifty thousand dollars for half of the company type thing You know, let me give you one hundred thousand dollars for half of it.

44:56I'm like no You've you formed the company Like did you did you know that process of creating a company and I had an llc? at this point okay and then the other part is like i'm just stuck on you blowing yourself up usually engineers chemical engineers have lab interns or lab like assistants do you have any of these things or it's just you no it's just been me wow okay yeah good keep going man so going on uh i believe at this point i'm like 20 20 20 and almost 21 um we i moved the machine this entire machine out to Alabama, four hours away. And, um, that's, this is this machine that everybody's known me for online.

45:35It's the big machine. That's the size of about a school bus, you know, all together. And this machine is the machine that made the fuel that I put into like the scat pack in Atlanta, the super motorcycle. This is the same machine that made the fuel that I just put into the Rolls Royce, uh, this, this last weekend. Um, but this machine out there, um, it was a four hour drive to and from so for almost a year and a half of my life i committed myself to driving a four hours out there just to get started working and then drive four hours back because i didn't live out in alabama and this isn't a super isolated piece of country property that's so isolated that you you you're you might hear a plane go by every year and here and there like you might like this is isolated there's only cows and hay fields and mosquitoes around that's it and um and And then so then that's that's being in such an isolated place like that.

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47:55I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

48:30Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hipsons High School. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip.

49:10Just a little bit bigger hips. Wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a BOGO. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something? Here, just hit it. What are y 'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. I would buy it. It cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer.

49:45I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh.

49:54Listen to Soccer Moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's why this was a really weird situation. Where, um, and I believe it was May of last year, I had that machine out there. Um, and then I started to implement solar panels into it. Cause I told you guys before, like a huge advantage of microwaves is you can operate off of any type of electricity. And I had this theory where I'm like, okay, if we operate this off of solar panels and the energy comes from the sun, um, well outside of labor, I'm able to make fuel for free. that you know i'm not charging myself for labor so it's a zero cost to operate electricity was the only cost so then i got i did a fundraiser i raised about thirty thousand dollars to get solar panels and all the things i needed and then i put it all together and at that point that's you got it did you get the thirty thousand quickly yeah i did you know why because you know what i did i did shows where i was operating different vehicles so one of the biggest shows I did I was in Chicago and I ran two identical trucks we ran we ran run truck off a diesel from the pump and run truck off of my diesel and we compared the smell the exhaust the smoke level and then we realized my my my fuel literally had less smoke the exhaust smell cleaner and then a few months later I actually sent my diesel to a lab to ASAP labs in Washington Vancouver Washington and they confirmed it with the test their lab test showed my diesel makes more power than diesel from the pump makes less smoke it burns cleaner than diesel from the pump they have i have the paperwork asap lab set them and then we're like oh wow this is crazy so between those two things those two exciting moments people are like oh yes we're supporting this so i had to go fund me like i said i'm still an lsc at this point not even a non-profit thirty thousand dollars raised got all the money i needed i also had a guy in chicago donate solar panels so while i was up there doing my show i also grabbed like a whole bunch of solar panels from him but anyway at that point I put the solar panels on the machine.

51:56Now this is where I became an inventor because at that point in the world, there was not a single, like I said, there were some microwave pyrolysis reactors, a few here and there. There were some, a ton of traditional pyrolysis reactors, but nobody had made a solar microwave pyrolysis reactor anywhere. No university, no million dollar funded startup. up this was the first and so i built it but then the same month when i implemented those solar panels something weird happened out on this super isolated piece of property where like i said you're lucky if you even hear a plane go by i was out there one night it was about 10 o 'clock at night long day of work because i'll be sleeping inside of my minivan some nights legit and then i felt these really deep vibrations through my whole body shaking my whole car i'm like what is that it was a helicopter flying over and then i'm like what that's weird like i've been out here for a year working on this thing there's never been a helicopter like there's there's rotor um literally propeller airplanes that fly here and there you know grain airplanes for farmers but never a helicopter so i'm like that's weird i got out my car looked and there was this it's just this this black blacked out helicopter flying at the tree line super low and i'm like okay it has spotlight on it too.

53:10I'm like, okay, I guess it's just flying by. Whatever. Okay. Boom. Flew over. It circled back around me again. Like, okay, that's weird. But I'm not going to freak out. Then it did it again. I'm like, oh, hell no. I got my phone out. I have it all. We got the video. I recorded that helicopter because it circled me six times and the spotlight was literally shined directly into the windshield of my van. I was getting ready to just drive off that night because I'm like, what is going on? And then it then it flew off but like i said at that point i got it on camera i was posting stories about it on instagram because at this point um i think i had like a million followers on instagram two million on tiktok few a half a hundred thousand on youtube or whatever or half a million um and i'm posting about this and everybody's like y 'all man that that's that's some that's some agency or something and i'm like i don't know who that was it was they yeah and i'm like i think i guess they think i'm just making like whiskey out here or something doing something illegal whatever that you know i'm playing you know trying to be as optimistic as possible but then the month after that now we're that we're in june of 2025 now the month after that all of a sudden one day i wake up and then my phone is completely hacked like i had an iphone at this time and it was completely hacked like hacked to the degree where somebody was able to hear tap into the mic of the phone tap into the camera of the phone had access to every picture anything i did on the phone how you know that because um i would literally i literally be talking um to like my family members about what was going on and they get text of what i was saying i'm like what in the world is going on this is like something from a movie and then i know they were i knew they had access to my entire phone you know why because i had a picture of my phone on my phone with my driver's license that i use like for applications whatever and that picture of my driver's license that was only on my phone got uploaded to my Instagram account.

55:01And then I'm like, what? And then I looked at my Instagram and then I'm like, OK, somebody hacked in, obviously. But then I looked in the logins. There were no logins. It said you posted that to your Instagram account. I said, no, I didn't. And I'm like, oh, I kind of get it now. There's some type of malware or bug on my phone to where somebody literally is essentially in my phone. and I've realized that on Apple phones there's this thing called advanced data protection that by default is turned off and if you have that thing turned off it allows somebody to essentially from a computer access your phone and this is a thing for especially iPhones because Apple can do it if you ever been on the phone with Apple support they can literally control your phone remotely so some hackers breached that system and they had complete access to my phone and then anybody around me like my family that had iPhones they were getting breached too air tags were going off out like out of nowhere it was crazy stuff and then they were continuing to post my driver's license my family information personal information all over my social medias and i'm like i don't know what's going on and i made a video online i said guys there is weird stuff going on i have no idea who this is what's doing this but i gotta figure this out so keep your eyes open if you if you see weird things know that some i'm under attack i made that video that was it i stopped posting for over almost two months because i'm trying to fight all this figure out what's going on i'm trying to figure out like is this a physical threat like is my life at risk is my family's life at risk they know where i'm at they know my address they know all this stuff they're posting stuff online about me on my social media and then um at that point that's when everybody said he went missing no that was okay yep i never told people i was missing or kidnapped or anything i told people just keep your eyes open the weird stuff is going on but then when you combine that me making that video with them posting my driver's license it did look like a kidnapping situation i'll keep it real it really did we thought you got kidnapped yeah it really did look like that because then i'm talking to meta because i'm like meta somebody is logging into my account because meta is telling me at this point they're like if you post your license again we're banning your account permanently that's against our policies i'm like meta that's not me and meta said okay we're gonna lock your instagram account you can't log in and nobody can.

57:14And they said we're going to do an investigation while it's locked down. So at this point, for over a month of them doing their investigation, I literally couldn't update people because they locked my account. And at that point, I'm like, I'm not touching any of my social medias because I'm not letting whoever this is have any plays on me. Right? There was so many weird things. I'll tell you guys how weird it got. It got to the point where I had my iPhone. I turned on airplane mode because I'm like, this iPhone it's tapped to all hell. Turned it on airplane mode. Turned it all the way off. Throw it inside of a Faraday bag.

57:49Then put that inside of a metal ammo container, okay? Came back the next day. Turned it on. Airplane mode was off. I'm like, what? How is that even physically possible? All my air tags would be randomly going off. I used to have all these air tags. And all my air tags would be beeping. Like, you know, like if you tell it to go ring, like you want to find it. All mine would be beeping. I'd take the batteries out. Put the batteries back in. Put them inside of Faraday bags. They'd still be beeping. So somebody just had complete control over my entire thing. Ring cameras. And then it turned out my computer had malware on it.

58:24Because I was talking to a tech support guy one day on WhatsApp Messenger on my computer. Because they were hacking all my stuff. My Facebook, all this. And all of a sudden, he got a message sent to him. And they were like, we know you're helping Julian. Stop helping him. he got a text and this was from my computer and we're like dang yeah they got everything compromised so then at that point i got rid of all my phones um i had to wipe all my computers and then um all this was happening um and then at the same time everybody online was talking about he's missing he's kidnapped you know everybody was was saying all these things and then um i finally got everything situated about a month later and i came back and made the video where I'm like, it was hackers, guys.

59:10They got into my stuff. And then on top of that, like I forgot to mention, on top of all this, just a month before the hack, I had that helicopter flyover. So people put all that together and they're like, oh, they got this guy. He's done. It's crazy. A week after that video, you had InvestFest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because look, yep, yep. Because InvestFest was in August. So, yep. Then I showed up to InvestFest. And then. I was like, he's here. Yeah. And then everybody was like surprised to see me because everybody was like he was missing. so then it was crazy because when I was there and I was just going because I'm like I just want to see what's up like I didn't go and I was like I don't know security or anything I just showed up as myself nothing and anywhere everywhere I went I was swarmed like I couldn't walk anywhere even when there were some moments you know that where the stages it's like dark in there you know and I'm dark skinned so I'm like I got an advantage I can do a little sneak effect still let me go let me go step in the corner of this dark room and I can finally just be no people would find me and then before I knew it I'd be swarmed everybody would be wanting to interview me and then take pictures with me and I'm like oh my goodness this is crazy um and then and then I ran into you guys and at that point that's why I'm like yes please let me in the VIP room because it's been a rough day out here like oh my goodness anywhere I go I tell you in the bathroom didn't matter um but I did show that what that showed me though was that my my theory of doing this approach of sharing it online works because even though that that wasn't a situation where i know i wasn't kidnapped but i was under attack people were not silent the news didn't want to pick up on it but people did made it the news everywhere i was in south africa publications france germany mexico united states like daily mail everywhere there were blog posts world stuff everybody was posting about because people the people do not let it be silent nobody let that like every social media not every social media but tons of huge social media creators were talking about it Kyrie Irving was talking about I mean like it was crazy and that goes to show me that like yes this approach of sharing this with everybody and making it the world's journey is advantageous because nobody will ever let this be like other past inventors where it could just be snuffed out easy it's going to be a fight to enough this out because nobody's going to just let it lay low when something happens because here's the crazy thing.

1:01:28I don't know who it was that hacked into my stuff, but I'll tell you this. They had access to my page, okay? And since all this was happening, my page shut up. I was at a million followers when it started and at the end of the hack, I was at like 2.5 million because of all the publicity. But anyway, they had access to my humongous page that had more views than ever and they didn't use that opportunity to go in there and post some type of crypto those scams and make money or post about themselves for publicity. Their only motive was to break my spirit. Their only motive was to post personal things about me, things about my address and my family to try to discourage me.

1:02:04And what that goal to show me was whoever this was that had these crazy means to hack into me like this, they're intimidated just by the fact of what I'm doing. And there's all type of theories we can go down. We only got to go down that hole. Who do you think could be intimidated and you could just go there and rabbit hole yourself but my thing is this okay when that when you got back it just stopped it never like oh no no it's still going on to this day you know uh but what it is is i've changed my approach i understand that anything i do on any device is is not it's not private and i also i have so many different cyber security means like like for example i have um i have super complex passwords for every individual login and then i have a physical authentication security key for every login and then i have um anybody that works in my organization has to go through cyber security training and then i have a cyber security team that's super you know air airtight because like they there this is a cyber security team that has clients all around the world companies and they're like we've never seen an attack like this before and they said this is a nation state level attack meaning this was a funded organization funded by some nation's governments to do this because that was a team and that was an expensive attack and for them to do such an expensive attack and not ask for money means that they were funded to do that also like i said we can go down the rabbit holes on who it was all day yeah they i would just say that i i mean obviously the time that we're living in you can see with the conference that's going on throughout the world.

1:03:37Oil is obviously at the forefront of a lot of it.

1:04:06844-IHEART to get started. That's 844-844-IHEART. On a recent episode of the podcast Money and Wealth with John O 'Brien, I sit down with Tiffany, the budgetnista aliche, to talk about what it really takes to take control of your money. What would that look like in our families if everyone was able to pass on wealth to the people when they're no longer here? We break down budgeting, financial discipline, and how to build real wealth, starting with the mindset shifts too many of us were never, ever taught. Financial education is not always about, like, I'm going to get rich. That's great. It's about creating an atmosphere for you to be able to take care of yourself and leave a strong financial legacy for your family.

1:04:51If you've ever felt you didn't get the memo on money, this conversation is for you to hear more. Listen to Money and Wealth with John O 'Brien from the Black Effect Network on the Eidhart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love.

1:05:28On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:06:11What's up? I'm Miles Turner. And I'm Brianna Stewart. And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has never been done before. Two active players giving a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests. What's the vibe of that when it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave and then actually now I'm going to stay. We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening in the WBA. And yeah, we talk about our mistakes, too. they pulled me to the side and was like hey man we got a call last night man you can't be rolling around the city like this tonight before games no you know doing this doing whatever and of course family stories they'll be like mommy why did you miss that mommy do you play basketball check out game recognized game with studion miles on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Do you see your technology as an alternative More so than a replacement?

1:07:16And long term vision of the technology How does it keep advancing? I see my technology as an integration Integration, good And here's the thing The fuel is amazing And that's what gets people's attention But the goal and the point was actually to get rid of plastic And we just happened to turn it into fuel As a society and as a species If we don't get rid of our plastic We're not going to be a species soon Because microplastics are already Like 0.5 % of our brain is already made of microplastics Because we consume so much of it Yeah because it's in the landfills And in the oceans and it breaks down into these small Particles in those areas It gets into the food, it gets into the water, it gets into the air We consume it, we have to get rid of it And so this is a necessary Thing with or without the fuel side The fuel side is amazing and that's An even better side for integration An amazing byproduct but I don't care if this process was turning plastic into dirt because as far as I know, you can have all the boats you want going out to the ocean to collect the plastic, but if you're bringing it back to shore just to throw it in the landfill, that's not a solution to me because I know when plastic is in the landfill, it still is breaking down into microplastics that then get into the landfill leachate rainwater that ends up in our water supply.

1:08:27It's still breaking down under photodegradation into methane and ethylene which are 25 times and 40 times worse than CO2 which is if people want to talk about global warming of making fuel that's way worse global warming from that than any co2 that comes from burning plastiline right so the fuel is amazing but to integrate this into the world i i see it as we need to get it to the point where it's valuable to recycle plastic we need to get to the point where like like you used to get paid for bringing in like you know metal cans you could get paid to bring in plastic because now we're making it into such a valuable product.

1:09:01I'm not here to replace anybody. I'm not here to replace any plastic manufacturers. I'm not here to replace any fuel people. I'm just here to give a solution to two sides of the spectrum, to give a solution for getting rid of waste, waste management, and then energy independence. Now, as it stands, unfortunately, those are two industries that don't want to be tapped into in any way. Waste management and recycling, like I said, they operate very shady because they're making billions telling a lie. Why would anybody ever pay for their recycling again when they know it's not actually being recycled when they know that I actually am recycling?

1:09:41Right. I don't want to step on their toes. I want to integrate. And I always look for ways to integrate where it's like, OK, maybe waste management, you have your recycling program. How about you just give the plastic to me? Right. I'm not I'm not here trying to replace you because frankly that's not how you live for you know you're not going to come along and replace industries that have been around for centuries that's just not happening same thing with the the fuel industry i'm like okay my perspective business everybody's like why don't you make your own gas station i'm like because uh i don't want to die yeah i'm like how about easy answer how about we do this guys how about i go to gas stations and say hey how about you guys can add my stuff has a fuel additive how about i get the proof to show that my fuel actually burns better and cleaner and it's better for engines than fuel from the pump and now you can go you know some pumps have those little things where you can like add the detergent for extra like i don't know a few cents a gallon and you could add plastiline for a few cents a gallon and this is proven to like give you better fuel economy or whatever integration is the key collaboration is the key but also i set myself up just strategically to where it really doesn't matter because i uh very intentionally do not have my technology patented.

1:10:49Why? Because the patent industry is actually very corrupt. I learned this because I at one point was patent pending and then one day I went to a Rotary Club meeting and I spoke with the inventor of the wireless key fob for cars and he told me GM stole my stuff. And I said well you have a patent didn't you? And he's like yeah I have like 70 patents. And I've been to every country on earth almost. I'm like, so how did they steal your stuff with the patent? He's like, because a patent doesn't mean anything to big players. All a patent is, is a means for you to go to court and say, hey, they infringed on my patent.

1:11:28But when you're in court, that's a whole different story. Now you're in court. And now you have to prove to the judge that they've infringed on your patent. Now you need to fight their lawyers. Okay, you're an investor. You came up with something. And you're fighting this big industry that has billions of dollars and they can just go to court over and over and over again and take you and fight you and fight you and fight you until you have no money left. So even though you know they stole your thing, you can't prove it anymore because all they have to do is keep rebutting it in court over and over again.

1:11:58They have the funds to do that. You don't because you're not GM. You're not whoever, you know. And so he told me, he's like, the truth is, if you want something to be yours, because when you patent something, it becomes public knowledge. It gets published on the patent directory. I know that because I literally looked up patents for pyrolysis reactors to get inspiration to build mine. So that means anybody on earth can look up your patent and see how it was built, how it was made, and then make a copy, make a few changes, and then say it was theirs. And then you can go and fight them, but that takes time.

1:12:27That takes money. And then at some point you can't do it anymore. You're trying to invent. You're not trying to be a, you know what I'm saying? Like you're an inventor, not a lawyer. You're not trying to fight people in court for the rest of your life. So he told me that and he's like, the key is really trade secrets. Think about it. He's like, Coca-Cola did not patent the Coca-Cola formula. Why? Because if they patented the formula. They would know it. Everybody would know it. Even though nobody can copy it. Everybody would know it. And you best believe they copy it. Because guess what? In China, there's no patent law.

1:12:58It just goes to, that's why they have Chinese knockoffs and everything. they have no patent enforcement in China and so many other countries so he's like and guess what you had to do you had to go and get a patent in every country on earth you know how much that cost? so much money and then you had to renew it and so you paid all this money that could have gone into your actual invention to get the patent which means nothing because they'll just go and take it and copy it then you have to spend money finding them in court and then I heard this story from inventor after inventor after inventor and they both said they always said to me trade secrets are the key What's trade secrets?

1:13:31You just don't tell anybody. Trade secrets are things that you have that nobody knows. And I have a few trade secrets on my machine that nobody knows. That you can look at my machine on a video camera and not know these certain particular material sciences. The inner workings of it. Exactly. But I have another play. So there's this thing called public domain. Once you have something published online for over a year, nobody can patent it. All my machines are public domain. Nobody can patent any of my machines because they've all been visible in the public for over a year And that's because you're putting them on social media exactly So that now that saves things because now there's no way a company can come and just shelf it Patents what I made copy and shelf in he'll hide it But then here's another approach.

1:14:16I'm doing I'm like I do have trade secrets that I have yes The truth is people you will always have copycats that's what it is that's just how the world works that's just how the market works the key is being first to market right now i'm constructing my next machine mark 5 which will be the world's first solar mobile microwave pyrolysis reactor it's literally going to be on a trailer and i'll literally be able to drive to like anywhere pull up process plastic on site go to the next stop. Here's the thing. That machine, that's going to be the one that's going to go to market eventually because I'll be able to sell these mobile trailer machines directly to governments, to companies, to farmers, whoever.

1:15:03To individuals? Possibly. I don't know what the regulations look like on that, but possibly. Either way, being first to market and having trade secrets is the key. And so here's what I'm actually going to do. Since I got to this point and I understand how to make a mobile machine like this after all my five years of trial and error I actually am going to be writing a book with the blueprints in it on how and I'll just be public okay on how to do it not how to do it just because yeah so here's the game yeah one of the things we talk about oh what do you mean by that what do you mean by that you writing a book telling people how to do what you did yeah but you're not going to put everything in it you got the trade secrets I'm going to I'm going to when i read that book i'm gonna tell people how to build a machine and that means everything the trade sequence included that means everything i'm gonna tell them how to build the machine but you already got the public domain so well nobody can patent it but you know of course it's a gamble because it's like okay i put this out and nothing stops the company from taking all my research and work and implementing it on their own thing and doing it but you know what i realized i realized if I put this out and a company or individuals or people in the world go and take my work and you know steal it and go and make copies and then go out and get it in the world I realize at some point I'm like that's actually what I want because that's actually solving the problem.

1:16:27Like what I want is to get rid of plastic. There's no way one company on earth can do it. It's open source. It's bigger than you making money. You really want to just solve a problem in the world. This is the circle back. Yeah, this is a selfless Now, of course, I'm going to make it make sense for me And that's why I'm putting it in my book But at the same time, one person can buy the book And just upload them online and anybody can see it So, I mean, at the end of the day Of course, everybody wants to make money But I'm like, there's a different means for me than that So, it sounds like it's a win-win, right?

1:17:05the book if you can monetize that you can make some money obviously but if people steal the idea then they it solves the issue that you were coming to begin with yeah and then that is the ultimate form of protection so here's the thing because it made me think of funding especially for black businesses the lack thereof right imagine in a world and i don't know do you do you wrestle with that what would this look like if there was funding is it infrastructure is it factories that we can put this in or are you looking at it like even with those odds against me right because you're doing this you're doing go funding you're monetizing the content the mobile model is what i'm going to do and the book is becoming the way that i could say all right even if they don't do it here's here's a way i can get this out to the world well i see it as this uh for example this mobile machine that's being built yeah um i am raising funds so i have a non-profit now i just started literally uh last month and so for example that machine this mobile machine is being built and funded 100 by sponsors so companies are paying to have their logo on the final wrap of the bus and so i'm starting to realize i have certain brand things now because guess what anybody can build a machine, but not everybody is NatureJab building a machine.

1:18:29You know what I'm saying? It's like any car can get you from point A to point B, but not every car is a Rolls Royce doing that. You know, there's a difference. And so the brand is strong in the sense of, of course, raising funds, but also the brand is strong in the sense of when it comes to market, when it comes to actually being on the market and selling these, because yes, anybody can just make these machines when the blueprints are out there, but there's some companies and individuals who only want a machine from me they only want a machine from the nature jab brand because that is like that that is like the top is the highest echelon highest quality everybody else is a copycat under that right this is the thing of course i'm gonna make the book and blueprints but that's still gonna be like relatively outdated my mind is always building the next machine while i'm on the current machine i'm building so like I'm on Mark 6 in my mind.

1:19:21The book is going to have Mark 5 in it. So I'm already coming up with new trade secrets, new things for the next machine. And of course, there's the experience. Like I said, I got to a point where since I was the only one building these type of machines, you can't look up certain things for these machines. When I have troubleshooting, there is no Googling it anymore. It's only me out there, trial and error, solving it myself. and so with that being said i have certain knowledge in my mind it gives me an advantage over anybody because i'm the only one who has been at this five years blowing myself up multiple times you know um and so i always have that advantage but the truth is like i said like if i'm really looking at it like almost like from an ego disillusioned perspective it actually is beautiful if people could actually design machines even better than me because here's a thing.

1:20:12If I make this open source, now everybody's improvements are open for everybody. And now we're getting to solving the problem faster. I have people all over the world nowadays who are already trying to copy my machines now and tell me, and I have people in Brazil and all this. I encourage them. I say, be safe. Don't blow yourself up. But yeah, I encourage you because we need this everywhere. Right? And my goal is I'm going to take the same mobile platform machine. So NatureJap LLC, that's for-profit. That's going to sell the trailer machines to governments, blah, blah, blah, individuals around the world.

1:20:47Jab Innovation is a non-profit. It's going to take that same mobile system and implement it on the boats. It will go out into the ocean. And now we can process the ocean plastic directly into fuel, and the boat can run off of that fuel and just be out there forever. We'll have a boat that's autonomous, like with AI. Just be out there forever until all the plastic is gone, because it can just run until all the plastic is gone. What's the pricing like for a machine like that? Because when you're saying it, it makes me think of when you talk about AI, how a company like ASML has created the EUV machine, and it's their machine, but it's so expensive because it's a specialty.

1:21:21Obviously, you're the creator of this machine, which makes it a specialty. How are you making the price of model for it? They're not that expensive. Like, I'm building this mobile machine. It's going to come in at, like,$100 ,000, you know, with the trailer and all that, you know, and that means that could be sold for, like,$200 ,000, quarter million, you know, and that's a part of the purpose. The reason why is because, going back to what I was saying, some of the nations that need this technology the most cannot afford it. Quarter million dollars, that's enough to fundraise. Let's get this machine in Senegal.

1:21:51Let's get this machine in Ghana. Let's get this machine in the Dominican Republic, Haiti. Let's get this machine in countries that need it the most but can't afford it. We could do that. That's an easy crowdfund. That's way easier than crowdfunding$250 million. Decentralized approach is the way. I said in the beginning, I didn't invent pyrolysis. There have already been companies that built big machines that run off of traditional pyro-assist reactors around the world. I played devil's advocate because I'm like, well, they're clearly not doing their job properly because we got plastic everywhere.

1:22:18Simple, simple equation. And in playing devil's advocate, I realized the big issue was that they're making these huge centralized plants that nobody can afford. That if they have any issues, a small issue is a huge issue on a machine that size. you know a machine the size of a few acres a small issue can put that thing can cost millions of dollars and and put it out of commission for months but and i proved that you can build these small machines like this that actually process a good amount of plastic on a daily basis and can make can make on a small scale fuel of quality like i don't i have not seen anybody else that has built a mobile and self-sufficient essentially oil refinery and I've proven that can be done and now that I that I've proven that can be done I believe that's the way to do it I believe let's have however many hundreds of trailer machines are needed per city and it'll be just like waste management go to a restaurant they have their plastic out pull up boom process it go on to the next stop.

1:23:29Do that everywhere. Islands, especially Hawaii. They need this. They don't have landfill space. It costs them so much to ship plastic off of the island. It makes more sense for them to just pay for a machine that can process it right there and make fuel.

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1:24:19That's iHeartAdvertising.com. On a recent episode of the podcast Money and Wealth with John O 'Brien, I sit down with Tiffany, the budgetista, to talk about what it really takes to take control of your money. What would that look like in our families if everyone was able to pass on wealth to the people when they're no longer here? We break down budgeting, financial discipline, and how to build real wealth, starting with the mindset shifts too many of us were never, ever taught. Financial education is not always about, like, I'm going to get rich. That's great. it's about creating an atmosphere for you to be able to take care of yourself and leave a strong financial legacy for your family if you've ever felt you didn't get the memo on money this conversation is for you to hear more listen to money and wealth with john o 'brien from the black effect network on the eidhart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast i'm john Green.

1:25:21You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

1:25:55Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:26:41With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar, why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a BOGO. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. What are y 'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Hold on. Could you imagine? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh.

1:27:19Listen to Soccer Moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you need to make this happen at scale? Like, I know, you know, obviously you're raising money or you have donations. Like, in a perfect world, right? If I could just snap a finger today and, like, what would be your wish list? okay, I need this amount of money, I need this amount of land, I need this amount of workers. What do you need to get this running at scale? I would say, I would say I need probably about $10 million at this rate to fulfill the rest of the vision. Because with$10 million, I can afford the property that would be necessary, and then any type of manufacturing things to get to the point.

1:28:00Because I ultimately want to be a manufacturer of these trailer machines. And, And, you know, the truth is, up to this entire point in my journey, I have been independent in this. I don't have any any any business partners or equity partners because that allows me to do things like put my book out or not patent it. Because, you know, like, for example, an investor, the first thing they want is the security of knowing, like, we're going to get a return. Like, so you got to patent it. You're not you're definitely not going to put out a book with blueprints now. And so we get our money first. But I always I always was like, well, I'm trying to actually make a difference.

1:28:34in the world and not just make money because if I want to make money there's a lot hell of a lot easier ways in this world to make money and safer ways to make money so I'm like we're actually trying to go for impact and make the difference you have to have this different perspective of like like almost like doing those selfless acts of faith because I know I'll be fine in the end and I've been fine up to this point and so um yeah when it comes down to it that's why I start my non-profit because now it allows people to have a tax deductible way to directly get to the project and i kind of just with that kind of just walk by faith by saying you know i'm gonna build this next machine we're gonna see where it goes and i truly believe that um when i build these trailer machines and i tour the entire united states with it showing everybody before their eyes the process i just truly believe the right it'll be getting in the eyes of the right individuals that will then um allow this to be in the right place and whether that meant that may not even be like direct oh I just get 10 million dollars it might just be something like hey I'll allow you to work at my plants I'll allow you to be at my warehouse for free you can manufacture them here you know who knows what's going to come from it but I just believe that since my intentions are from the perspective of I'm just trying to change the world I'm going to get in front of the right people and I've already seen that because for example the machine that's being built right now the mark 5 machine on their mobile trailer is literally being community built by volunteers from all around the United States.

1:29:58These are highly skilled individuals, people that, frankly, should not be just volunteering their time and even on their own expense to come out there and work on it, but they are because they see the vision and they see what this is meaning. And I truly believe, especially with the boat, I believe the boat would be very easy to raise sponsorships for, for example, because companies would love to have their logo on this barge that's going out to the ocean. And so I just believe that, yeah, it's going to all work out and it'll all happen just as it always has over these five years because I've walked by faith in many different ways doing this you know just like for example I chose not to go to college to focus on this and you know I'm still here and so I believe that especially at this point making this mobile and being able to show it to people this is really opening up the next chapter of this entire process and things are going to become very exponential because it's just been this year, 2026 now, when I've really started to actually work with people.

1:30:59Up to this point, it's always just been me. I've never had volunteers or interns or even organizational people helping me. Now I'm starting to actually find the right team of people because I've laid down the roots and foundation to show people what this is for and what the mission is for and that the goal is not just to get rich off of it. And now I'm attracting those type of people around me that get that and are working conjunctively in that same vein. And now I really believe within the next five years at most, this is going to be in a place where it's implemented in the world. Cause I can just tell the exponentiality is there now.

1:31:33There's one question real quick. You, you have the pathway forward. You're still on social media, but like, what do you think about any level of criticism? Cause there's always going to be critics, right? For sure. So some people were like, well, they already have, like you said, they've spent millions of dollars on this already. It hasn't worked at scale. Why should we think that it's going to work at scale this time? Or some people are like, um, it'll never happen because like you said, the waste management, the oil companies is just not going to work. Or people will say, um, it like, it's a variety of different things.

1:32:08For sure. Like for the critics, cause it's not, you have a lot of supporters, but everybody has some level of critics too, right? Yeah. Do you even think about those people? Yeah, I love reading any type of critical places that come from a place of actual, I guess, constructive criticism. Constructive criticism. Where it could be actually improvement. Like some people that are just genuinely jealous and just straight spiteful and hateful will sometimes actually make some decent suggestions. It's true. Because, hey, look, look, keep it real. They're the reason I started to get the solar panels.

1:32:41because they were always complaining about, well, what's the point of doing this if you're burning energy to run the microwaves? I'm like, that's a good point. Like, you know, you don't see the vision because I'm like, we're getting rid of plastic. But that's true. Let me just use solar panels. Thank you. You know, the critics were the ones who inspired me to take my thing to the lab to get it tested. The critics were who inspired me to start doing the fuel test where I'm putting this in engines because they'd always be saying, well, I'll never run in the engine. It'll destroy. It'll blow up an engine first try.

1:33:07And I'm like, no, it won't. But I'm like, here's what I always say. my actions and intentions speak louder than my words so i'm not even gonna i could sit there all day and go back and forth or i could just show you you say it's gonna blow up an engine okay i'll just go throw it in a rolls royce in a scat pack an engine worth more than me we'll see what happens hey you say it you say it burns dirty or it's horrible emissions okay i'll just go take it to the lab we'll see what happens maybe you're right maybe you're wrong if you're right and it is horrible we'll fix it we'll figure out what we need to do to fix it if if you're wrong then boom if you say um this is stupid because it's already been done before i'm like okay i'm just gonna build one that's never been done before a solar continuous reactor on a trailer i mean you can look it up if you go look that up on any ai you will not find anybody doing it because it has not been done so like they could say it's been done before but it literally hasn't so that's all i do i just you know i just lead by action because i believe something that we do a lot especially a lot of people in the black community is oftentimes we can just talk and not actually do anything and so i kind of do the opposite i instead of talking i just do it i wonder yes amen to that amen to that um i was wondering because you have the the clean skincare line is is it the same process because a lot of the well petroleum obviously can be turned into a lot of things Is it the same process that you're using for the clean?

1:34:33Absolutely not. And that's the big irony. So my brand Jabbaroma, where I make all natural deodorant and bug repellent and hairspray and stuff. The whole point of that stuff is that it is free from petroleum because, you know, I learned the game of petroleum. I learned how plastic is made of petroleum. But I also learned how almost everything in this world is, including almost all cosmetic products, deodorant, like all this stuff. And I'm like, it's messed up because I also know that almost everything petroleum based is linked to leukemia, linked to cancer, linked to blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, we're putting this on our bodies every day.

1:35:06So that's why I started my brand, Jabaroma. So that's that's the deodorant. Exactly. Deodorant is causing cancer. Yeah. I mean, anything that I've heard that before. Yeah. Anything that's petroleum based. Right. That you're allowing to be absorbed into your skin is always been linked to some type of tumors and cancers. that's just always been the case. It's carcinogenic. We know that. This is fact. So the fact that it's legal is what's surprising to me. And the fact that there's no good natural alternatives. Like my natural hair spray that I make, my natural hair and beard spray, there is no all natural hair and beard spray on the market.

1:35:41There's sprays I'll say on the front natural, clean. You turn the ingredients on the back, got all types of benzoates, crazy stuff. And so I started that brand from kind of the same perspective development at your job where it's like, I don't see something right being done and I'm just going to be the one to do it. And I'm also never going to sell out because what happens is a lot of brands will start pure, but then they start to get, you know, some buzz. Then they get some, a big brand or investor come buy them out, change the formulas. If you're looking for a face for the beard brand, let me know.

1:36:10I got you. I got you. So the Rolls Royce, talk about that. You did an experiment recently with the Rolls Royce that was on social media. You had the girls. Explain the marketing behind it and explain how it actually worked. Sure. So this weekend, March 21st, I ran a 2016 Rolls Royce Dawn, Jabbar Westbrook's Rolls Royce Dawn off of 100 % plastiline. That was the first luxury engine, the first V12 engine in the world, the most expensive vehicle ever to operate off of plastiline. and I'm actually glad you brought up that point because this event I took a different marketing perspective usually for all my events of the past I'll just purely do all the marketing where I'm just like hey guys we're going to run this engine cool let's do it but this I took a different marketing approach because I felt like this was like monumental to do a Rolls Royce so I almost wanted to like give the marketing vibe of like this is what we're like the lifestyle of a Rolls Royce the look of a Rolls Royce So like for example in my marketing videos I would of course have rolls royces in the background I'd have models in the background because I'm like I'm like this is this is a different type of person that we're appealing to a different type of audience when we're running this type of vehicle like a rolls royce owner is a different type of person and so um for example when I um I had one of my videos where I'm telling people that we're gonna do this event and then I had a whole bunch of Models in the background and then a lot of my people were actually upset at that because they're like You know you we selling it we are they're like you you sold out they're like we we uh would watch the video with or without women in the background but i was like um i hear you guys but you also are kind of proof that it worked because you are commenting and that's the whole point and this video did get a few hundred thousand views but um my perspective was like okay like i understand where you're coming from but this is you know marketing is psychology and no matter how you put it uh you proved it because you watched the video.

1:38:09I mean, I put models in the video. You watched it. And this is a Rolls Royce. So it's fitting. It makes sense. I think that people may have been upset and seen it as one way or another because this is a marketing strategy that's been done forever. So they kind of see it as, oh, he just sold out to the typical strategies. But I made it very clear that for example, the model I did have in my video, I took them dress formula because we're trying to look like luxury vibe. And so from my perspective, I saw it as a success because it got the attention of people. It fit the vibe. And also, I liked the way the vision came out.

1:38:46It very much, you know, to me, it almost was like like filming a movie in a sense, like Fast and Furious type of thing. And so I think that going forward, whenever I do anything type of luxury vehicle, like one day I got to run a Bugatti and got to run a Ferrari. I think that that would just be how we do that for those more luxury vehicles. I think what it was is people always see me as such a people's person because like you know I started in my backyard I've run many vehicles that are just common everyday people vehicles so even by me just running a Rolls Royce it upsets some people because they're like why are you doing this like that's not realistic you know doing that doesn't prove anything because the average person would ever be able to run a Rolls Royce but I'm like guys I've proven that it'll run in your vehicle and it'll run in a Rolls Royce, you know?

1:39:33So, um, you know, like I learned that from that perspective, I learned that, you know, people will all can always have something to say. And even like my own people can be fickle in that way. Cause at some point when I was in the middle of the marketing, it actually really upset me because I was putting so much into it. Like this was the most I've ever marketed an event. Like I was throwing together shoots out here in Atlanta for this and taking so much time just for people to kind of be complaining. But then I realized it really doesn't matter. Even my own supporters, unfortunately, it really doesn't even matter what people say.

1:40:09And I can't take anything to heart. You can't even take the support to heart too much. You can't take the support or the critics to heart too much because at the end of the day, you have a certain vision and path that you're doing. And as long as your intentions are pure, there will always be times where people, where it can appear, the perspective can look one way or the other. And the intentions are all that matters. And I knew my intentions from the beginning was, I'm trying to get this out there. I'm trying to raise funds to build this next machine. And I'm trying to prove this works in a V12 engine, a Rolls Royce engine.

1:40:41And, you know, whether you appreciate how that was displayed or not, if my vision is I want to market it this way to demonstrate this luxury vibe, then I just have to stand on that, you know, because people always have some type of complaint and some type of, some people always enjoy too, you know? I got a question. I think talking to you here today, I think I have the answer, but I wonder, it's two-part. Has there been a company that has offered you a sum to say we want to acquire you or merge with you, right? We see that happening in tech all the time yeah right we just saw you know meta and man is right uh we saw nvidia with grok right they somebody's doing something that we need to add to our business let's acquire it has that happened and if so would you ever yeah it's happened it happens all the time and it's actually happened uh on both sides where it will be something more polite like a business would just say hey we you know like a pyrolysis company i've got like one of the biggest paralysis companies in the world try to buy me out and bring me on and sometimes it'll be like that simple but then sometimes it'll be like for example uh back in december i was getting notices in the mail over and over again this company was saying hey you infringed on our patent we're gonna sue you you have three choices either one come work for us two um uh they said they said uh stop doing your work or or three um what was the third option it was some nonsense But either way, I knew it was a bluff because I'm like, OK, you said I infringed on your patent, but you didn't even attach the patent number in the letter.

1:42:21So I was like, this is whatever. They sent like three letters, certified mail, but back to back. I kept ignoring it. And then at one point, the last letter they sent, they were like, OK, since you've been ignoring our request, we took off the option for you to come work for us. Like, I knew that was what y 'all wanted the whole time. So like I get those type of things. Like, you know, some people in industries are intimidated. You know, this same company that sent me those letters, they were emailing me before emailing me the same thing. And then I get I get these phone calls all the time where people are being like, like I said, like people will just say things to me like, hey, I want to get half of your company for one hundred thousand or hey, you know, they look for any type of situation where they can come in and creep in where they're like, especially when I'm building and I'm raising funds.

1:42:58They're like, hey, you want that built? OK, we'll get that built for you. Just give me half of your company, whatever. And I've always said no, because just the perspective of somebody approaching me like that already proved that they're not the type of person I want to work with. right because you're already approaching for the perspective of purely like how can i make as much profit from this as possible and i i already know like if that's your perspective that's not going to work because yes of course this can make this will make money it will be profitable but that's the the money and the profit from this is the byproduct i've been investing five years into this i've invested i don't even know how much money into this i haven't made a dollar of revenue from NatureJab.

1:43:41And I'm not even upset at that because that was never the goal. The goal was we're going to solve the plastic problem. And with that, I just know and have faith that the money will just come. I mean, we all know it. That's why people, that's why so many people email me about investing. Cause it's obvious if you're looking to be making 110 octane gasoline from plastic, diesel from plastic that burns cleaner, you're solving two problems at once. You're going to make the money. So it's like if people would just have some faith, then it will you know we'd all be okay trillion dollar opportunity yeah yeah i mean the recycling is a billion dollar industry in itself got them all together fuels trillion dollar throw it all together i mean come on and then when i've been talking about credits because see that's another thing of faith because some people want to talk about this or that and i'm like guys listen there's gonna come a time in this day where there is a such thing as a plastic credits like are we at carbon credits when when when the world the world health organization the un finally catches up to how bad plastic is you will get paid to truly destroy plastic i know it and when that happens these machines will be the next gold rush it will be the next gold mine because companies don't even care about the environment will get a machine just to be able to get their plastic credits it will happen it has to happen because i know what happened Because microplastics are literally A pandemic That's a hidden pandemic Nobody's even talking about And it's been that way 0.5 % of our brains are made of plastic On average It's only 2026 That's crazy Well my brother I appreciate it man Definitely glad that we got this conversation This was something that was very like I said Very enlightening Thank you continue to work how can people donate how can they support like what's the website social all that stuff so now i have jab innovations.org that just started that's my non-profit website you can also get there through nature jab.com slash donate to get directly to that link because there are a lot of scammers that imitate me and have fake websites and profiles you have to go directly from my stuff.

1:45:52And that's the most direct way that somebody can donate. But also from a business perspective, I understand businesses are always about like, how can we be, you know, how can we advantage from this? And that's why I have my sponsorship opportunities with like the bus where this is an amazing marketing opportunity for any type of business where you can get your logo on the side of my bus that would tour the entire United States and get billions of views online, hundreds of millions of impressions on the road and in person. And then, of course, you're aligning your business with a mission that's doing something good for the world.

1:46:27So that can be done through, you go to naturejab.com slash mark five. There's a sponsorship form that could be filled out. And we actually, this is April is the last month we're accepting sponsors because we're actually going to be wrapping the bus in May with all the logos finalized. So those are the two direct ways that you can support. One is, of course, a more charitable donation and the other is a more business investment opportunity. And so there you go. And of course, outside of that, anybody else that wants to volunteer to actually physically build the machine, we're building it in Woodstock, Georgia.

1:47:00You go to NatureJap.com slash Mark five and we have the volunteer form that you can fill out as well. And yeah, it was that we could break this news right here till we haven't announced it yet. But you was at InvestFest last year and now it's a full circle. You'll be speaking at InvestFest this year. Yes. So that's going to be, that's going to be packed. That's going to be crazy when you talk. So thank you for doing that. But just another way to raise awareness and get more people involved and hopefully more people, you know, can be on the same mission as you. Because like you said, it is a problem.

1:47:30I've seen the first thing I went to Bali. I've seen beaches littered with plastic bottles and, you know, plastic. And that's something that's not, like you said, it's not talked about enough. But it is definitely a major problem from an environmental standpoint. So the fact that, you know, you're bringing awareness to this, I think is very commendable. So appreciate that. And I appreciate the fact that you talked about the continent. Obviously, we travel there a lot. And we said that we were in a few countries. We were like, the plastic issue here is, like you said, it's a pandemic. And we see it.

1:48:02Having affordability to try to solve it is brilliant. So we thank you. That's why I said we got to make sure you say that all times. And we're going to make sure we do that. So thank you for joining us. Absolutely. Yes, sir. Sorry, my brother. All right. All right, y 'all. Thank you for rocking us for seeing you guys at InvestFest. Yes, sir. On a recent episode of the podcast, Money and Wealth with John O 'Brien, I sit down with Tiffany, the budgetista aliche, to talk about what it really takes to take control of your money. What would that look like in our families if everyone was able to pass on wealth to the people when they're no longer here?

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