Trademarks & Copyrights Essentials

26 May 2025 · 10 min

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Episode Title

Trademarks & Copyrights Essentials

Hosts

  • Rashad Bilal
  • Troy Millings

Guest

  • Rosezena Pierce (The Biz Lawyer)

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Episode Overview In this episode, Rashad and Troy sit down with Rosezena Pierce to explore essential concepts surrounding trademarks and copyrights. The discussion highlights the distinctions between the two, their importance for entrepreneurs, and practical advice on protecting intellectual property.

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Key Highlights

  1. Difference Between Trademark and Copyright
  2. Copyright: Protects creative expressions that are fixed in tangible media (e.g., photographs, art, music).
  3. Trademark: Acts as a source identifier, allowing consumers to trace products/services to their source.
  1. Ownership of Creative Works
  2. Key Insight: Hiring someone to create a logo or artwork does not automatically transfer copyright ownership to the hirer.
  3. Solution: A written transfer of rights is necessary, typically through a work-for-hire agreement.
  1. Increasing the Value of a Trademark
  2. Quality Matters: The value of a trademark increases with the quality of products and services.
  3. Brand Loyalty: Strong branding influences consumer perceptions and loyalty.
  1. Process and Timeline for Trademark Registration
  2. Initial Steps: Conduct thorough searches, issue opinion letters, and navigate a complex government review timeline.
  3. Current Timeline: Post-COVID, the review process has extended to approximately 8-9 months, with the entire registration process potentially taking 12-18 months.

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Detailed Discussions

Understanding Trademarks and Copyrights

  • Rosezena provides clarity on how trademarks and copyrights serve different purposes, crucial for entrepreneurs to protect their intellectual property.

Importance of Written Agreements

  • Many entrepreneurs mistakenly assume ownership over creations made by hired designers or artists. Rosezena stresses the need for clear, written agreements to ensure rights are properly transferred.

Enhancing Trademark Value

  • The discussion sheds light on how consistent quality and strong branding can significantly enhance the value of a trademark. Rosezena shares relatable examples of brands that have created strong consumer loyalty.

Navigating Trademark Registration

  • The episode details the trademark registration process, highlighting the importance of thorough searches and legal counsel to navigate potential challenges. Rosezena outlines the timeline and common obstacles applicants may face.

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Conclusion This episode serves as an invaluable resource for entrepreneurs seeking to understand the complexities of trademarks and copyrights. Rosezena Pierce's insights empower listeners to take actionable steps toward protecting their intellectual property and enhancing their brand's value.

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  • Follow Rosezena Pierce: Stay connected with her expertise on Instagram [@TheBizLawyer](https://www.instagram.com/TheBizLawyer).

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Special Thanks A huge thank you to Rosezena Pierce for sharing her expertise on this vital topic.

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  • #LegalAdvice
  • #IntellectualProperty

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3:39So I'll break it down for you. So like a copyright, you can protect a photograph, a painting, a picture, you know, songs, art. It cannot be in your head, but it has to be fixed into a tangible medium. There it goes. Dirk, yo. Yes. Dirk has to come in an interview. Represent Chicago. But it's okay. That was a good. We'll copyright that sound. Yes. Right? And so here's the thing with the copyright. A lot of entrepreneurs don't understand that whoever the creator of the copyright is, that is who is the owner of the copyright. Under the law, it said the creator who births the creation is the copyright owner.

4:23Now, why is that important? Because as entrepreneurs, we hire graphic designers. We hire photographers. We hire people to come in and create creative works for our businesses, right? Have you ever hired someone to create a logo for you? Yeah. Yeah, right? And by paying them, you think you own that logo. It sure is right. Well, I know different, but yeah. Yeah, right? Most people, and it sounds like it makes sense, but unfortunately, because they created the logo, they're actually the copyright owner of the logo unless you have them transfer their rights in writing. Now, some people think, well, it can be an oral.

5:02No, it has to be in writing. And so usually you will have them transfer it through a work for hire agreement. So like a company like Disney, who is creating amazing copyrights and multiple copyrights, the company is not creating. It's actually people there. But all of those people who are creating it, they're on work for higher agreement. So, OK. So how do you increase the value of a trademark? I always tell people you have to start with great quality products and services for your the value of your trademarks to increase and go up. Right. Right. You know, people I'm a brand buyer. Right. I like certain brands like it's certain soaps that I use.

5:45I'm only going to use a certain type of deodorant. Right. Like I'm a brand buyer and a lot of people are. Right. Like some people I don't drink pop anymore. We call it pop from Chicago. Right. What do y 'all call it here in New York? Soda. Soda. Yeah. OK. So are you guys like a Coca-Cola or Pepsi kind of? oh man it's gonna be tough if i had to it probably be coke it'd be coke oh my god you're probably gonna get in trouble because you're from new york right and they like it's a real battle with pepsi and coke what about you i don't drink soda but if you if you had to because i don't drink it either but i have a pick if i have to pick one if i had to i don't know i would probably say coca-cola because i think that the brand is stronger than pepsi i just identified as a strong like i don't eat fast food.

6:32If I had to, I would probably, McDonald's is a stronger brand than Wendy's. Right. So the fact that he just has that mentally in his mind that these brands are stronger, right? It's because of how they are boldly and notoriously representing the brand in the marketplace. And as business owners, that's what we have to do in order to increase the value, right? You guys did a great job with increasing the value of earning your leisure, right? And so now people want to be attached to it they want to be a part of it and so it's just like you got to just like you know for me when i picked the biz lawyer as a instagram handle i was just trying to pick a cute name on instagram but because my services is great my team is great now people want to make sure when they do their trademarks they do it with the biz lawyer because they know the type of quality of services is going to come with it and so that increases our revenue and our value this is something that we've learned we followed a bunch of trademarks you talk about the time it takes right so obviously we got the first step we get the attorney we did the search talk about the time it takes i know you brought up first uh rights too that's important too yeah can we can we get into that a little bit yeah for sure so first thing first you want to do the search and you know a lot of times people it's important you do a search not only with the uspto.gov but also to see who is using the trademark in the marketplace or whatever because common law rights can fall into play as well.

7:56But then once we do the search, we actually will issue an opinion letter with the search results. We'll go through the opinion letter. You know, one thing that I think is very different about our firm, outside of the fact of it's probably been, you know, black owned by me, the female. But one thing we do is we counsel and advise our clients based on the search results. Not a lot of people do that. They do the research and they just file the application or they don't, right? We tell our clients and also too, if we see challenges, we create strategy on how we can possibly win a trademark, especially if the client already has invested thousands of dollars into the brand.

8:34But once we do that, we get it on file. Now, here's the thing. A trademark application used to take about three to four months for the government to review it. But now because after COVID, I feel like a lot of people was empowered to become entrepreneurs, but also a lot of people are more educated. So people have filed trademarks. Actually, during COVID, the most trademarks ever in history was filed. Really? Yes. And so now it has pushed the government review time back to actually eight to nine months. So now it takes them eight to nine months just to review the application. Once they review the application, they can either approve it or issue an office action.

9:15If they approve it, it goes to what's called publication for opposition. Now, publication for opposition allows anyone in the public 30 days to oppose your trademark. This is why it's important that we file trademarks with integrity and also, too, we watch our trademarks. Because if you file a trademark like I'm Coco Chanel, Chanel is going to come and oppose the trademark and probably send you a cease and desist letter right away when they file out that you filed the trademark. But the good thing about it is, is that as a brand owner, you want to watch your trademark because people can be filing things confusingly similar to your brand as well.

9:53And the government, they try to stop things, but they sometimes they let things through as well. So once you go through that phase, if no one opposed the trademark, you can have registration within 12 weeks from the 30 day deadline. So that can take about nine to 18 months right now to get a trademark registered. I'm sorry, 12 to 18 months to get it registered. But let's go back. If the government takes issue with the application, they can issue an office action. Bless you. The office action can require either a substantive response or a non-substantive response. If it's a non-substantive response, that means something minor is going on and the government wants you to fix it.

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From the publisher

Welcome back to another enlightening episode of EYL! In today's session, we dive deep into the intricate world of trademarks and copyrights with none other than Rosezena Pierce, affectionately known as "The Biz Lawyer."


Rosezena sits down with hosts Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings to unravel the mysteries surrounding the differences between trademarks and copyrights, and their importance to entrepreneurs and business owners alike.


*Key Highlights:*


1. *Difference Between Trademark and Copyright (0:00:00 - 0:02:05):*

Rosezena distinguishes between trademarks and copyrights succinctly; while copyrights protect creative expressions fixed in tangible mediums, trademarks serve as source identifiers that consumers can trace back to specific providers of goods or services.


2. *Ownership of Creative Works (0:02:05 - 0:02:44):*

A significant revelation for many entrepreneurs—hiring someone to create a logo or artwork does not inherently transfer the ownership of the copyright to the hirer. Rosezena explains that a written transfer of rights is necessary, often through a work for hire agreement.


3. *Increasing the Value of a Trademark (0:02:44 - 0:04:02):*

Rosezena emphasizes that the quality of products and services is paramount in enhancing a trademark's value. She provides relatable brand examples, highlighting how strong branding can influence consumer perception and loyalty.


4. *Process and Timeline for Trademark Registration (0:04:02 - 0:06:58):*

Troy prompts Rosezena to discuss the detailed process and timeline involved in trademark registration, from performing thorough searches and issuing opinion letters to navigating the extended government review timeline post-COVID. She explains the concept of "publication for opposition" and the potential challenges one might face during the application process.


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