Uncovering the Next Big Opportunity: Powering AI with Energy Giants

28 Nov 2025 · 8 min

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Episode Title

Uncovering the Next Big Opportunity: Powering AI with Energy Giants

Hosts

  • Rashad Bilal
  • Troy Millings
  • Ian Dunlap

Episode Overview In this episode of the Earn Your Leisure Podcast, the hosts explore the critical connection between energy production and the burgeoning field of artificial intelligence (AI). They emphasize that while AI and technology are often the focus of discussions, the underlying requirement of substantial energy resources is frequently overlooked.

Key Discussion Points

  1. Energy as the Backbone of AI
  2. The hosts argue that the development of AI is heavily dependent on energy availability.
  3. Data centers, essential for AI operations, require significant power, which is currently supplied primarily by gas turbines.
  4. The need for reliable energy infrastructure is highlighted as a key factor in AI's progress.
  1. Focus on GE Vernova
  2. General Electric (GE) Vernova is noted as a leader in the gas turbine market, boasting a 34% market share globally.
  3. The company is positioned to benefit from the increasing demand for power in the AI sector due to its existing partnerships with major companies like Amazon AWS and Duke Energy.
  4. The hosts discuss the potential for growth in GE Vernova as AI infrastructure expands.
  1. Energy Solutions: Immediate Needs
  2. The discussion centers around the necessity for immediate energy solutions as alternatives like nuclear and solar power are not scaling quickly enough.
  3. Gas turbines are identified as the most feasible short-term energy solution for powering data centers.
  1. Investment Insights
  2. Ian Dunlap advises caution, pointing out that not all energy companies are equal, urging listeners to avoid risky startups.
  3. The hosts outline a "Big Four" list of energy companies that stand out as strong investment opportunities:
  4. NextEra Energy
  5. Duke Energy
  6. Constellation Energy
  7. GE Vernova
  8. A mention is made of Oklo, a notable player in the nuclear energy space.
  1. International Partnerships
  2. The collaboration between American and international energy firms, especially in regions like Saudi Arabia, is seen as indicative of a substantial infrastructure build-out in AI globally.

Key Takeaways

  • The future of AI relies not just on advancements in technology but fundamentally on the availability of reliable power sources.
  • GE Vernova is poised to lead in this space with its gas turbine technology, addressing immediate power demands for AI data centers.
  • Investors should be selective and informed about energy investments, focusing on established companies with proven market strength rather than speculative startups.
  • Understanding the relationship and partnerships within the energy sector is crucial for recognizing potential growth areas tied to AI advancements.

Final Thoughts This episode serves as an eye-opener to the often-neglected link between energy and technology, particularly AI, and underscores the importance of strategic investments in energy sectors as they relate to the future landscape of technology.

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4:37But none of this works without power. and we've talked about who could lead in this space or where the space is headed and yeah long term we know the solutions but we don't have a long term idea here right this needs to be immediate especially if like we said this is a national security issue and so you start thinking short term who could be the short term people who can actually benefit from it we've seen caterpillar when we were talking about gas turbines and it was like yeah so there's a near home solution in terms of natural gas turbines. The company that I've been studying and I think has it.

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9:49We don't have nuclear reactors to fulfill the power that's needed. We don't have solar. We don't have it yet. What we do have is gas turbines and they're doing that. Why did I like it though? Outside of that market share that they're dominating in, and I'll give you a power, that's uh almost 106 megawatts right or two over 20 000 megawatts in in orders for 2025 who are their partners amazon aws who else on the u.s grid duke energy who else in renewable energy next era energy who else in developing uh engine chevron you might have heard of them right this is the real reason though not only is this a domestic thing if you look at their international partnerships, you start to see a picture that's being painted, right?

10:41These data centers are not just going to be in America, although we would like them to be, they're being built all over, right? The number one thing that I loved was I saw that the GE Saudi advanced turbines, they've partnered with them. And so why does that make sense to me? well in may we watched a conglomerate of our most brilliant minds in the world of business and ai go to saudi yep why did they go they went to go announce infrastructure in ai they're starting to build that infrastructure they also don't have the time so if i start seeing american companies partnering with saudi companies to provide energy that tells me there's something there and they something you can build on.

11:25Now, GEV is a big boy heavyweight. If you're in EYL, you know what that means, right? These are companies that have large options contracts. And so we looked inside the ETFs that have them and we put a few out there. FPX is one of those that actually has pulled back a little bit, but energy is going to be a story. And I think GEV is going to be the one that is going to be leading that story here in the very near future, but definitely long-term as well. And I want to say once again, all energy companies are not created equal. I'm seeing it in this space, too. There's a lot of startup or new IPO energy companies that are trying to position themselves.

12:04I want to be very clear. That's a winner. Nextera has been one of my favorites. It's been in stock club forever. But can we round out what you think the big four would be in terms of energy so people don't invest in maybe the 13th best energy company? duke is a legacy company i think that that's going to benefit as well this is one that we actually covered in our last mastermind and somebody actually put in the chat maybe it was there i had be sure energy is there as well yep be sure it is one of my favorites that's a great four i think constellation will have a have a say in this as well uh obviously when we start talking about their partnerships uh with microsoft i think constellation plays a role in this gv plays and roses i know some i knew it this is a very small audience i knew somebody was going to put okay hello yes uh we had they had a nice pullback if i'm picking my four i would probably pick those four and then i would have as an aster if i would put oh okay hello just yeah as a fifth just because i understand the story i understand nuclear and how that's going to be powering us at a more efficient level short term though what's going to be the solution um and so that's why i think gev is going to be the leader here.

13:16But yeah, that's a solid for it. And again, if you can't decide, oh, hey, this one's a little bit too much. I've said it before. XLU, Spiders, Energy, ETF is just a solid place. And if you want to go look at some of those companies, go look at the top two or three, four in there. We've probably said them already. But look at the top two, three, and four in there. Because again, if we're looking at the body, right? If this is a body, You need fuel, right, in order for you to work. These data sets are going to need power or none of this works. All those companies, the GPUs, the connectivity, none of it works if it doesn't have power.

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In this Market Mondays clip, hosts Troy Millings, Rashad Bilal, and Ian Dunlap dive into the true driving force behind the AI revolution: ENERGY. While everyone is buzzing about artificial intelligence and GPUs, they break down why none of that matters without sufficient power to keep massive data centers running. Rashad Bilal starts the conversation by highlighting the often-overlooked opportunity in energy, emphasizing that the future of AI hinges on reliable power infrastructure. Troy Millings spotlights GE Vernova as a company uniquely positioned to benefit, especially through its dominance in global gas turbine market share and strategic partnerships with giants like Amazon AWS, Duke Energy, and Saudi Advanced Turbines. He details why gas turbines are the immediate solution as nuclear and solar options struggle to scale up fast enough. Ian Dunlap reminds viewers not all energy companies are created equal, steering investors away from risky startups. Together, the hosts outline the “Big Four” energy players to watch: NextEra Energy, Duke Energy, Constellation Energy, and GE Vernova—with a special mention for Oklo in the nuclear energy space. This clip reveals how the partnership between American and international energy companies—especially in places like Saudi Arabia—signals a major infrastructure build-out in AI around the world. Whether you’re an investor or curious about where AI is headed, this discussion explores why winners in energy will play a foundational role in tech’s next wave. *Key Topics Covered:*

  • Why AI’s growth hinges on power production, not just technology
  • GE Vernova’s leadership and market share in gas turbines
  • Impactful partnerships in both the US and internationally
  • Which energy companies are set to win in the AI era
  • Tips on energy ETF investing for those seeking diversification

Don’t miss out on the insights that could reshape your understanding of AI’s future and the energy companies leading the charge! --- *Hashtags:* #MarketMondays #AI #EnergyStocks #Investing #GEVernova #DataCenters #TechInvesting #NextEraEnergy #DukeEnergy #ConstellationEnergy #Oklo #NaturalGas #StockMarket #Finance #Infrastructure #AIRevolution

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