Avengers Doomsday Trailer Breakdown Special

26:12Chris Hewitt:Who knows, we shall see. But I just, the unthinkable decision that they're faced with. Faced. Faced. Faced. Faced. My wife is very... And McPortal like wizard sleeve. Oh no. No. Oh dear, maybe we'll have a naked Doom fight where they're... Where he's in a mankini. Yes, Doom and Cap are completely naked and only their genitals are obscured by a black censorship bar. Helen has raised... I didn't know it was possible to raise more than two eyebrows, but Helen somehow managed to do that with that. But yeah, then we have a shot of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. How many times has this school been ruined?

26:57what are the insurance rates that Xavier is paying? And how is he covered? I know he's rich, but I don't know how he's covering that insurance. It must be astronomical at this point. My God.

27:09Chris Hewitt:Maybe he's just given up on insurance after all these years. He's just like, no one will back him. Maybe he has Magneto, like, you know, assaying rare metal around the world for him and just selling that to cover his repair bills. It must be something like that, I swear. What do you mean like Charlie X is pulling heists with a Magneto to try and pay for the repairs? I didn't even say heist. I just meant he's going out in the world finding uncovered, unexploited mines and just like instantly digging up a whole bunch of whatever and using that to pay for the school. I don't think heist is necessary.

27:45They don't need to go to Fort Knox. They can just go into the world and find some gold. It's easy. That is fair.

27:53Chris Hewitt:Also, this is incredible.

27:58Chris Hewitt:I've just had cramp when I'm sitting down. Ow, that hurts. Anyway, so then we have, this is kind of some of the same footage we saw on the trailers that came out in January. In fact, there are a couple of shots in this later on. There's the Cyclops, the James Morrison Cyclops unleashing his optic blasts, which is literally from one of the trailers. But over this, we have Doom saying something's coming. Something we may not be able to deter. He actually says, before this day is done, we shall be fessed with an unthinkable decision. that's what he says as we see images of there seems to be some sort of fireball exploding outside the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters we see Patrick Stewart as Professor X going oh that's a bit bright isn't it so what's happening here is this an incursion or is something else happening here is this doom arriving in the X-Men's universe it could be a sun I read it like a sun solar event kind of explosion.

29:05I don't know. But yeah, it seems to be big and it seems to be bad, maybe.

29:09Chris Hewitt:A big bad. A big bad, if you will. Like Victor Von Doom. And then we see Doom arriving and we see him standing up in a sort of hero way, but inverted this time like a bad guy. I like the lens flare. It's green. Do you notice that? A little, nice little wrinkle. going on there, his little lens fair as he reveals the sun behind him. Does he think, do you think that's Earth? Does he think it's Earth? Do you think that's Earth? I thought that was the same Ryn planet or wherever that he meets Thor. Quite possibly. Do you think that might be the X-Men's planet? I honestly don't know. I got alien vibes, but I have no idea why.

29:53Chris Hewitt:Yeah. It's interesting that the Guardians aren't in this, and the iteration of the Guardians. Any either of you surprised by that, disappointed by that? Well, after not landing a single blow on Thanos, somebody that each of them had a personal grudge against, maybe they've just been permanently sidelined. I think we've established Star-Lord is a fucking liability. So actually, they probably just said, you know what, we don't need your help, fuck off. Go and eat breakfast cereal with your granddad. There you go, there's a good boy. All right, then we have the Marvel Studios logo. Very exciting, very exciting.

30:24Chris Hewitt:Then we have, oh, look at this. It's the shot of New York, which is in America. and there we see what is now called it's not called Avengers Tower anymore it might be called the new Avengers Tower by the time this movie starts but it is called the Watchtower so this has been bought by FAL so this is now the headquarters of the new Jehovah's Witnesses presumably which is a hard left term for the MCU

30:53maybe what's coming is the rapture that's actually what this whole film is about we kind of had that didn't we what with Thanos

31:01Chris Hewitt:yeah wouldn't some people in the MCU like the world of the MCU have perceived that as the rapture probably but the rapture is supposed to leave fewer people behind I think or take fewer people than 50 % I think some of the believers would be very upset if the rapture took just 50 % randomly that would make a mockery of everything wouldn't it it's just chance maybe it took all the people who think that So they'll never know. Anyways, we have a nice new Avengers logo on here because it's for the new Avengers, which is nice. Well done, everybody. It's very, very exciting. Oh, here's an exciting shot.

31:38Chris Hewitt:We see the Fantastic Four walking through some sort of entrance. We see Pedro Pascal. We see Vanessa Kirby. We see The Thing played by Eben Moss Bacharach. And you can just about make him out. Johnny Storm played, of course, by Joseph Quinn. And in the background, guys, it's only bloody Thor. So at some point in this movie, Thor teams up with the FF and he comes to Earth. And so am I guessing, does he encounter Doom somewhere else? And then he's like, oh, this is all for an Infinity War, isn't it? I'm really worried about how they're not just going to replicate Infinity War and find new beats.

32:18I think there is going to be a bit of that structure because you just have to get all these people in one place. so there's going to be a little bit of you know that sort of oh it's three hours of people just arriving I don't think it's going to be that much and I'm not saying that necessarily as a criticism because God knows it worked in Infinity War but there has to be a bit of that there has to be a bit of getting the pieces in place to actually tell the story you know because we haven't left all these people standing together at the end of the last film or any last film so everybody has to meet everybody else I mean the closest we've had I guess was when the New Avengers looked out and saw a ship coming.

32:57That's the closest we've had to these groups meeting up properly. So it's a lot of, you know, not world building, but world shifting to get everybody in one place. Or several places.

33:11Chris Hewitt:Jimbo, what do you think about the FF? What brings them to Earth 616? Well, I mean, what brings them? I guess, well, they're explorers, aren't they? And there are any reason why they might take to the cosmos because they seem to do it at the drop of a hat and then got, I don't know, sucked into a wormhole, fly too close to a sun. Who knows how they ended up skipping dimensions? Or maybe there's more purpose to it. Maybe they're pursuing Doom. Obviously, Doom is historically a Fantastic Four villain. It would make sense if he maybe originates from their neck of the woods. But then, Alan, you talked about time travel.

33:42When we see the group shot, which is the next shot in this trailer, what looks like a flux capacitor is on the screen behind the Fantastic Four. So maybe they all just need to get up to 88 miles an hour and that is how they go back in time and they get Cap and they bring him here.

33:53Chris Hewitt:Well, there's got to be some timey-mimey shit anyway, right? Because the FF are in the 60s. Well, is it the 60s or it's a different world, isn't it? It is. Time has progressed differently there. Yeah. It is the 60s. But it's a different universe. So, like, in the same way that time passes between different planets when you're travelling, like, any amount of time could pass when they travel between dimensions. Yeah, maybe they went close to Gigantua or whatever it is. Exactly. And I thought that Back to the Future was canonically bullshit, according to Endgame. So I'm very confused by the flux capacitor, to be honest.

34:27Chris Hewitt:We have next up, we have a shot of Sam, Sam Wilson, Anthony Mackie, of course, the Captain America of this universe now. We have a shot of Sebastian Stan. standing next to Sebastian Stanis, old pal, Bucky Barnes, and alongside them, Paul Rudd as Scott Lang, aka Ant-Man. If I were to make a bold and wild prediction based on this trailer, here is another one you can clip and play it back to me when I'm proven wrong in five months' time. I don't think Ant-Man makes it out of this movie. Why? Why are you killing Ant-Man? Why are you hating on Ant-Man? Because he was the star of Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania.

35:13Chris Hewitt:But you love that movie. I love that movie, but I think he might be punished by Disney shareholders. There's going to be a scene where he's actually beaten by a mob of Disney shareholders. And unfortunately, he can't become small enough to escape their wrath. And so he goes, I don't know. I just have a feeling that there's going to be some casualties in this one. Yeah, I think so too. And I think those casualties will stick. Unlike, of course, with Infinity War. although some people died in Infinity War and did stick, like Vision, who we never saw again in the MCU, or Loki, who we never saw again in the MCU, or Gamora, who we never saw again in the MCU.

35:48Chris Hewitt:I think there might be some people who actually die, and Ant-Man in this one seems like an interesting choice to include. What you're saying is we should set up some kind of Empire Deadpool for Avengers Team's day. He hasn't been announced yet, has he? Why is Thor crying? Oh, Thor, he helped me. Fiver on the Falcon. I think that is possible especially given the shot of Scott hugging Cassie for the last time maybe or maybe just a time has Cassie dyed her hair? no she was blonde in Quantumania I'd completely forgotten that I remember every frame of Quantumania I'm sure you do alright so then they go through alright here's the big shot we have the big group shot this is kind of interesting because obviously as you mentioned and Bucky is standing with Sam and Scott there.

36:42We assume Bucky's kind of, whether by hook or by crook, or whether by volition or just by chance, Bucky's kind of with the new Avengers. But those two we think are maybe aligned with the old Avengers or the rival Avengers or Sam's Avengers or whatever the heck we're calling the two groups, we don't know. So Bucky would seem to be the kind of connective tissue. He'd be the bridging person if there is a bridge to be built, potentially. Maybe?

37:07Chris Hewitt:Question mark? I think so. Although in this wide shot, he is standing with the New Avengers. Yes, yeah. You can see him, but he's behind Hannah John-Chamon's ghost. Yeah. And the FF are at the wall with kind of what looks like, yes, James, the flux capacitor. But I was also wondering if it might be some sort of diagram of incursionosity, impending incursion-ness. Because if you look as well behind Reed Richards, there's what seems to be a countdown. which is interesting. That's obviously to the Avengers Doomsday release. You see it at the end. That's what that is. In Infinity Fission. We know that this movie takes place in one day.

37:48Chris Hewitt:It's called Doomsday. Obviously, Infinity War didn't take place over a huge amount of time either, but there does really, really seem to be a ticking clock element to this that there maybe wasn't with Infinity War. So we have the new Avengers. I hate that name. The Thunderbolts. We have the Thunderbolts. We have US Agent. We have John Walker. We have Red Guardian in the worst getup. All the best. I know it's a gag, but oh my God. And we have Yelena Belova. We have Ghost. And we have Bucky. Then we have the FF. And then we have Sam Wilson and Scott Lang. Now, is that it for the Avengers? Like Sam's team of Avengers?

38:31Chris Hewitt:So you think Thor is on? I think Thor has been off world and is like, what the fuck are you doing? We just need a team. Get it together, guys. But if he comes down, because at the end of Thunderbolts, you remember they talked about Sam's team. If Sam's team is just him and Scott lying, that ain't much of a team. I'm saying that he also has some other people that we haven't seen in this shot. I think Shang-Chi is his team. I think that makes sense. I just love the idea that Sam only has a team with one other person, and they maybe have a treehouse, and a clubhouse, and you have to knock on the bottom of the treehouse and say the password before you're allowed in.

39:05oh that's so sweet and it makes sense because you know

39:09Chris Hewitt:the first Avenger that Scott ever met was Sam Wilson so it all makes sense it all comes together so we think this is in the Watchtower and they're all spreading the word of Jehovah which is lovely then Thor goes I fought with many warriors in my time they were far stronger than all put together and they died They died facing enemies and threats to scare me far less than this one. It's a cog biter. What is going on with Hemsworth's accent in this? Look, you know the way that you and I both, Chris, sometimes pick up the accents of people that we are around rather than sticking true to our roots?

39:50We're chameleons, Helen.

39:51Chris Hewitt:We're chameleons. Maybe it's the same with Thor. Maybe he has been spending a bit of time with space Australians and therefore has picked up a space Australian. I don't think you should bully him. I think it's a Thor point. very good very good so he does say he says i fought with many warriors in my time they were far stronger than all of us put together and they died who's he talking about his dad heimdall i don't know they were far stronger than all of us put together is he talking about wanda like who's who's properly dead in this universe by now tony wanda splatasha romanoff he means presumably means in my like as guardians like home yeah and you know and the warriors three i mean the warriors three were a bit yeah i mean if you get a point that like it's like we need a miracle let's get cap who and all respect to cap but he's not exactly fucking a level powered is he he's not cosmic is he and i think i think thor is is look he's he's trying to make a point he may not be speaking literally he may not be saying this person literally had more powers than everyone in this room put together right now he may be just paying his tributes as it were to the Warriors 3 or Odin or Frigga or any of the other millions of people that he has personally lost or killed he makes a good point though because this is not the most powerful line up of heroes in the MCU is it it's the B team it's definitely the B team you know who's missing from this shot who is powerful and who isn't in the trailer What we know is in the movie, Sentry.

41:30Chris Hewitt:So unless that's him, but I'm pretty sure it's Bucky who is standing beside Ghost in this shot here, the wide shot. So we're not seeing Bob Reynolds. We're not seeing Lewis Pullman's Sentry, who, as we have speculated about in the past, might also be someone that Doom is drawn towards. Because if he is siphoning power, then the Sentry is a good place to start. So, yeah, might be something like that. Who knows? Moving on, we see some other people. So, do you remember 2022? That was a fun time. And we were introduced in Black Panther Wakanda Forever to Namor, the Submariner, played by Tenoch Huerta.

42:16Chris Hewitt:And he is back, back, back, sitting on the throne of Atlantis itself. Tenoch Khan. Oh, that place. Yes. it's all very very exciting and we see of course Ashuri played by Letitia Wright and we see the King of Wakanda played by Winston Duke which is very exciting and then there's something he says they died facing enemies and threats and so we see the Black Panther and the Dwarf Milaje maybe taking arms against a sea of troubles but maybe also just about to throw down yes uh oh and also we see in this shot there's a wide shot of ben grim so at some point they must go to what's the name of it again james tala khan tala khan yes well we've already seen in the previous trailer and we see again a little bit here of shuri and the wakandans meeting the fantastic four shaking hands with ben so that makes sense yeah and if you look at that shot which appears to take place in a desert, but there's a sort of wall of water in the distance, which also maybe suggests Namor, right?

43:31Mm-hmm.

43:32Chris Hewitt:Yeah, I really like that wrinkle. The idea that this is the seabed, but the Atlanteans or the Tanakh... What's it called? Is it Talacanians is what they kind of refer to themselves? Yeah, because, you know, Atlantis. The Talacanians can control the water, so they've pushed the sea back to create this meeting spot. Moses style. Just book a team's virtual room for fuck's sake. Or do this on Riverside if you like water so much. Jesus Christ. So then we see a... I can't make out what this statue is. We're cutting to the world in which Thor meets Doom and I don't know what this statue is. I've been going sort of frame by frame trying to figure out.

44:12It looks like it's someone with a bag. And I honestly wondered if it was meant to be Star-Lord. Genuinely, it looks like he's got like a sling bag around his Could just be a messenger Deliveroo Maybe it's Joseph Gordon-Levitt in that film I hated I don't know, but it just That's the only thing that I thought I could make out I may be completely wrong

44:36Chris Hewitt:Interesting I'm looking at it right now I can't see anything I can see it I think the guy's got his arm in a sling, whoever it is So I don't know Anyway, so then he's firing up Stormbreaker And there's Doom in the background and then we have a shot of what I thought initially was Doctor Strange's Cyclops. Yeah, I thought it was Bleecker Street. Yeah. I did too. It doesn't seem to be. I think it is. X-Mansion. Yeah, the X-Mansion. The X-Mansion. Exploding. Because I suppose that would make sense because we cut straight to Cyclops and then Gambit, don't we? What I like about this trailer, and I like this about the first one as well, the first series of four trailers, is that, yes, we're going to get a lot of shots of people standing in front of the green screen.

45:15Chris Hewitt:And my God, we get our fill of that in this trailer. But this is really well shot. And you do get a sense that a lot of this stuff was shot on sets. And a lot of the shot was set on, was shot on, you know, locations where they could control paparazzi access. So they actually do go outside for quite a bit of it. And, you know, the X-Mansion is an actual set that they were blowing up. It wasn't just, all right, now, James Morrison, you stand there. We'll fill in the background later on. Which, you know, there's, which is, can be a malaise in the MCU. yeah um i i i i don't know how i mean it's hard to make out at this point it's all quite dark and um dusty but we are seeing it you know even a tv screen is only so big so um hopefully it'll be a bit clearer as well when we get to the finished film but yeah it's good it's good to have sets as much as possible i feel like the odyssey showed us that quite recently yes uh we get a shot of James Marsden as Cyclops in classic costume, about to fire up his optic beams through his Pfizer.

46:21Chris Hewitt:And we don't really get a good look at him, so we can't tell whether he's been de-aged. What do you think? Well, given that they haven't de-aged Stuart or McKellen, I'm guessing not. I think you're just thinking of the fact that James Marsden hasn't aged very well. I was about to say, he looks pretty identical now. So you're absolutely fine. I love that he's wearing classic x-men gear though that's that that gives me the warm and fuzzies yeah yes indeed uh also i've just remembered another another at least one other person who's not in the trailer who was announced and alan coming as nightcrawler is not in this trailer uh but we do get channing tatum as gambit yes yes we do more a versus x stuff as well so it does seem that there's definitely something going on there because there's a thematic point isn't it whenever we see x-men they do seem to be stirring shit up interesting in this film are they the ones who've recruited by doom maybe it seems to be what this trailer is implying i would think or they just have a number of different barnys on multiple fronts it may be yeah it could be the classic misunderstanding thing that they have in comics you know it could be that um they don't have to have been recruited also that three um you know the the flex capacitor thing the three things with the lines does that mean that there's only maybe three realities incursing on each other in this film?

47:41Is it just going to be sort of Fantastic Four reality, X-Men reality, and, you know, MCU classic?

47:48Chris Hewitt:That would make sense. Are those the only worlds we have to deal with? Like, are we waiting for other incursions or is it just three? That would make sense if those were the three universes that were about to, like, collide and clash into each other because it does feel to me like the X-Men are not in the Fantastic Four's reality. Otherwise we would have heard something about that. Right, yeah. There's so many questions about this. What iteration of the X-Men is this? It's obviously not an iteration that we're used to, I don't think. But hence the presence of Gambit. How is Channing Tatum going to attack this role?

48:26Chris Hewitt:His role in Deadpool Wolverine was played almost entirely for laughs. We're talking about accents, impenetrable accents. I reckon it'll be a sort of a Cajun accent, but maybe dial down a bit. Yeah, that would make sense. Otherwise, it does become a little bit comedy. Yeah. I think this is fun. I'm excited to see Shang-Chi back as well. Like, how delightful is that? Hey, look, they remembered that Shang-Chi exists. That's nice. He's my boy. I'm so excited about this. As you know, I've said this before, we should have been up to our balls in Shang-Chi sequels by now, or at least Shang-Chi appearances.

48:58I think it was just hard to contact. I mean, they rang him ten times, just couldn't pin him down.

49:02Chris Hewitt:When you get home, give us ten rings to let us know you're safe. Oh, boy. So there he is. He's fighting Gambit in the X-Mansion. I'm looking for other clues. I'm sure other people doing breakdowns like this have gone, well, if you see, you'll zoom in. And there's a little bit here, which is taken from the comic book that came out in 1978. We're like, we don't see anything. We're missing it. But here's the thing that I find interesting, because the next scene is Loki looking at his ID, and it's got Idrisil on the back of his badge, which is kind of cool. Because obviously, last time we saw Loki, he was a fucking tree.

49:34so what is he retired like what's happened aren't you supposed to be pinning together all reality i don't think he has to physically like apart from anything else he can manifest like however he wants he's always been able to do that right we've seen sort of shades of loki in one world while he's stuck somewhere else um so if he's part of the world's tree presumably he can appear in any world he wants and any reality that he wants

49:58Chris Hewitt:one would think i feel obviously the end of loki season two uh spoilers for this we assume you've seen all this shit we assume you're as up to date as we are at the end of loki season two did seem to suggest that that was where he was for eternity that was it he was stuck yeah um but timey wimey shit maybe this isn't that loki maybe this is yeah timey wimey shit could be a different loki to me i think it's most like it's the same loki but he can make short appearances for short times and he can sort of you know he's always been able to conjure visions of himself he can send out visions to check what's happening in person and not rely on any carys id just to prove who he is in case he needs to buy drinks it's a fiddle toy you know it's totally fine i think i think this might be honestly he genuinely could be reporting to his brother on what the hell is going on it could also just be some vision shit and i'm not talking vision with a capital v there as in the character i'm talking vision as in you know some woo-woo shit goes down in people's dreams and people's minds.

50:56Loki and Thor have both been involved in or had visions in the past. So it makes a certain amount of sense if he's just, you know, reporting into his brother through the astral plane or similar.

51:09Chris Hewitt:I don't know. I think there's some, I think the TVA are involved big time in this somehow, and I don't really know how. I'm excited to find out. I'm also excited to see this iteration of Loki, who is more, I guess, straight up, if not heroic, then certainly anti-heroic than any version we've had before. So how's that going to fit in? If the multiverse is the creation of essentially everything Loki did at the TVA, which was, we are not going to have one sacred timeline, we're just going to let them all run loose, and I'm essentially going to hold them together so that the universe doesn't fall apart.

51:47That was where we left Loki, again, spoilers, at the end of season two, as I understood it. So if Doom is now trying to collapse some of those realities, that would put TVA and Loki personally very much on the side of the heroes. Right?

52:06Chris Hewitt:One would think, although obviously the TVA stand outside that. So if the multivorists were extinguished tomorrow, it wouldn't affect the TVA. I don't understand how that works, but that apparently is how it works. Yeah, that has always been the case, certainly before. Whether that's changed since Loki took control of the timelines, we don't know, but presumably not. But the TVA have always been people with a sense of mission. Whatever you think of their mission, they have had a mission. And there's no indication that they don't still have a mission now that it's Loki's multiverse rather than the single sacred timeline.

52:41so I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing and I think it would be really disappointing for Loki's personal arc if he was suddenly a bad guy or aligned with Doom

52:51Chris Hewitt:I don't think he will be I don't think he will be I think that wouldn't be interesting for Hiddleston to play for one thing and we need that scene don't we we need the scene that was promised in Infinity War the sun will shine on us again brother and also just like him trying to convince Thor that he really means it this time that's come on we need some comedy in this film and that could be very funny will they try send help they probably will it's on disney plus it's very very good uh one of sam is it send help or get help what's the get help get help will they try get help because i think that could really work on doom i would definitely go for that get help and then they just throw what he throws loki a doom and yeah exactly that yeah uh all right so then we have a shot of uh shuri uh in this meeting place that the atlanteans uh seem to have uh sorted out which is very nice of them uh she's walking along okay so here's okay i can't identify one of the characters in this shot this is the wide shot of the fantastic four um and so it's the thing it's sue storm it's bucky it's Danny Ramirez as Joaquin Torres, aka the new Falcon, meeting M 'Baku, Shuri, and some of the Dormelage.

54:10Chris Hewitt:Next to Falcon is someone who seems to be wearing an Avengers-emblazoned coat. Is it Ghost? Is that not Ghost, because she often wore a hood? That's what I'm wondering, but we can't see her face. We can see her bob kind of thing. It's not blonde, so it's not Yelena. I'm assuming it's Ghost, but it is hard to tell. Yeah, I read it as Ghost. So what's happening here then? So if the Fantastic Four, so this maybe disabuses the notion that Doom recruits the New Avengers, because why would the Fantastic Four, who are presumably anti-Doom, aligned with

54:55Chris Hewitt:Bucky and the new Avengers slash Thunderbolts. Also Falcon being here, Joaquin Torres is Falcon presumably he's a part of Sam's Avengers team as well so maybe they've all come together at this point. An absolutely essential part. Essential. He's great for a recon. He's great at recon. Alright let's move on. So then we've got Mr. Fantastic with probably Yelena, although it might be about to be Mystique, but probably Yelena in this shot. With their robot, by the way, in behind them. And then we have Mystique turning into Yelena and fighting her. Yeah. Yelena on Yelena action. Steady. This is Rebecca Romijn, of course, appearing as Mystique for the first time since when?

55:46Chris Hewitt:2006? X-Men The Last stand? I think so. Wasn't there a cameo in First Class? That's right. Oh, yes, that's right. She turns into her, doesn't she? When she's in bed, what if I look like this? When she's trying to seduce Fazzbender. And everyone goes, that's who she is. That's funny. Alright, so then she's fighting... And I hope she's not an X-Man, because I'm sorry, this is one of my big issues with the First Class Averse. I don't like Mystique is an X-Man. Mystique is not an X-Man. She is a villain. She should be a villain. And yeah, I just want her to be a bad guy. Let her freak flag fly. So then it's Yelena versus Yelena.

56:31Chris Hewitt:Then we have Charlie, X and Magneto. And that's the shot from the previous trailer where they're like, oh, it looks like this is the end for us, Charles. Yes, it does. And then they're dead. And then we have... Not before they've held hands. Can we just have a moment for the hand-holding, please? And they're still waiting for Godot to turn up. That fucking Godot never shows up. And then we have Scott Lang. In his last moments alive. Kissing Cassie goodbye before he dies in a hail of bullets. Yes, a hail of tiny bullets. A hail of bullet ants, maybe.

57:10Chris Hewitt:Yeah, and there's his daughter, who is, of course, Sprite. code name Sprite and you can't spell Sprite without RIP so it's all coming together then something in Thor's Thor's talking about everything they sacrifice there's also the hug between the two storms so Thor all this time has been doing a lovely voice over and they'll be like don't worry we'll fix it in post we'll get your British accent before we put the trailer out. And then the deadline came and went, and he's just like, fuck it, no one's going to notice. Anyway, everything they sacrificed will be for nothing if we do not stand together.

57:51Chris Hewitt:Throw another doom on the barbie. Put aside your petty squabbles and presume nothing except this. If you return, you will return as brothers and sisters. And then we cut to, oh my God, the brother, Johnny Storm, and the sister, Sue Storm. And she's presumably at this point close to meeting Namor who's going boom chugga wow wow and getting his getting his like his horny on right because he likes Sue Storm in the comic books does old Namor and when she's nodding at Shuri it's a Shuri thing she does the Wakandan salute which is nice then we cut to Sam Wilson doing something in a room is this the X-Mansion do you think?

58:38I mean I guess if we're assuming it's not Dr. Doom's house and everyone's just looking for him question if this is the X-Mansion

58:50Chris Hewitt:and the X-Mansion or the Avengers, Sam Wilson's Avengers including Shang-Chi are attacking them, how do they get there? Well if there's an incursion can they not just step over? Yeah I think the incursion, I don't know I don't know if it worked like that Well there was a certain amount of just moving from one to the other in Multiverse of Madness wasn't there? Admittedly I haven't got that far on my rewatch so it's hard to say In order to move between multiverses they would need someone who has the power to move effortlessly between multiverses. Someone like, oh I don't know America Chavez Okay She could be around.

59:33Who Marvel have absolutely remembered as part of the MCU but also like if there is an incursion and the worlds are beginning to touch they can just travel right

59:43Chris Hewitt:yeah sure I'm intrigued let's go with that alright so then we have Gambit doing another one of his flips he does a superhero landing he's fighting oh hang on in that shot just before he drops his big cane we see some more figures let me see if I can stop this precisely there's a member of the Fantastic Four there probably Reed there's someone in the background looks like Red Guardian

1:00:16Chris Hewitt:might not be but looks like it is I'm going to go full screen I'm going full screen on this that looks like Red Guardian to me so and then behind behind Gambit this is a shot where Gambit has somersaulted off the top of the balcony and he lands Yeah, he's about to smash his staff down and hit people with a wave of energy. And behind Gambit is Sam Wilson, because you can see his shield. There is a person wearing largely white. It might be Mystique, actually, now think about it. Might be Mystique. And then we have, it looks like Reed. Reed and it would be Shang-Chi all being knocked around and then I wonder if they have to go to the X-Men's world just before it gets destroyed and then they have to meet these people and clearly some of these X-Men will come back with them right?

1:01:17Chris Hewitt:I know we kind of hand waved the whole mutants in the MCU thing but there has to be like a kind of base of mutancy in the MCU going forward you know the good way to do that is to bring some of these guys across with them I don't know maybe I don't know if that's how I don't know if that's how that happened I still think this is the last we see of these incarnations of the X-Men interesting interesting Sue Storm big force field looking unhappy we talked about the the Cyclops big blasty thing but what about the legs in the background? The giant legs? I've missed those again. Yeah. Okay. They're just before Sue looking unhappy.

1:02:04Chris Hewitt:Oh, I see them now. Yeah. That's Sentinel, that's right. It's got to be. Looks like. Did Doom have Sentinel-sized Doom bots? Or is it? Hang on. Could it be Ant-Man? Could it be Giant-Man just before he becomes Giant-Corpse? Oh, boy.

1:02:23Chris Hewitt:Possibly. that kind of would make sense, right? Okay, then we have Sue and then we have Namor flying around looking a lot like Carl Urban so much so it threw me completely when I first saw the trailer Oh my god, it's Billy Butcher It's the ultimate crossover What's he doing here? He's flying around I don't know what he's doing there maybe he's helping get the water around then we have Thor versus Doom and I was looking around here trying to look at this arena looking for clues like there's something beside Doom in this wide shot as Thor goes flying up into the air I thought is that a pram? Has he taken Franklin?

1:03:06Chris Hewitt:But I honestly can't tell what it is but this barren desolate wasteland then Thor obviously hits Doom and there we go Doom seems to have some sort of magic sigils on his Yeah I thought that as well His glove Because he's very into his magic as well isn't he He is He's quite Wiccan Yeah and to be fair There are the sort of The skeletons of what could have been trees And it is possible it could be Like our world and just really fiery Like the end of Endgame So it doesn't have to be an early world It just felt like it was to me We'll see Then we get our first shot of Doom's mask Like properly His eyes malevolent green looking unlike Tony Stark's as he faces off against Thor.

1:03:58Chris Hewitt:And then we cut to, we're going to need a miracle, and now it comes Chris Evans, and that's where we began. So, 20 minutes, we said this would take. One hour later, hopefully we have gone through that trailer to everyone's satisfaction. Where do you think that Thor-Doom confrontation comes? Is that a climactic thing or is that early in the day to tip him off that Doom is a force to be reckoned with. Yeah, to me, I kind of assumed it was an early thing and it was after that that he comes back telling everybody, hey, this guy's serious. We've got to worry about him. It's interesting that the meeting with Cap, it looks like a spaceship, right?

1:04:35It looks like they're in space.

1:04:38Chris Hewitt:Interesting, yeah. Yeah, I did wonder that or wonder that. What sort of spaceship? It looks like a Fantastic Four spaceship because it's white with a blue stripe. so I'm saying it's fantastic for tech but then why isn't he with them when they seem to arrive on earth? this is a good question is this a vision as well? I hope there's no visions in this I really do no visions oh god I really don't want any visions apart from vision I like visions sure vision would be great look I'm not saying it's all visions all the time I'm just saying there are moments when that kind of shit happens and it makes sense and it moves the story forward true but I also think that was mainly in Age of Ultron because Joss Whedon was, and how can I say this, running out of ideas and didn't know what to do with Thor and so had him have some handy visions.

1:05:28I think a lot of that was not necessarily his choice from what we've read. It came from other places. But yeah, anyway. Look, I think it looks, I'm excited. The countdown's terribly helpful. Let's us know how long we've got left. although also like four months until christmas that doesn't make sense that i better get some shopping done huh uh seriously yeah some of us have got plans to make man do you think santa has a countdown clock just like this one hundred percent yeah yeah santa doomsday what's he doing during all this like he could be helping santa he's a bit like the tva he's neutral he's switzerland

1:06:12Chris Hewitt:he doesn't give a shit he absolutely shouldn't be neutral come on he could be throwing Lego under Doom's feet really slowing him down that would be amazing see it in Infinity Vision which is what is Infinity Vision exactly is this is this some a reminder that we liked Infinity War I don't know yeah we didn't get IMAX Doom got IMAX so now we have Infinity Vision which is like normal cinema but it never ends. A bit like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you could argue. And on that note, that is it for this Avengers Doomsday trailer breakdown special. We may have more to talk about next week when I return to Blighty after San Diego.

1:06:57Chris Hewitt:It's very, very exciting. But on a level of one to squee, where are we for this movie? And did this trailer shift the needle in either direction for you both? James, let's start with you. I'm pretty high squee at this point, it has to be said. And yeah, I think it did. I was pretty excited to begin with, but this gave me the kind of like chills, like Infinity era chills, which I've not had from an MCU project in some time. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that Spider-Man is likely to be very good, but this made me very, very excited for the sheer scope and scale. But also, there is a darkness to this trailer that is very, to me, reminiscent of Infinity war and doomsday and none of the other films like there's a there's a sense of weight of gravitas of consequence to it and i've really missed that in the mcu so yeah i'm i'm very very excited yeah i think it's um dark is right i mean physically dark to look at that too um and also kind of it's the idea of our fate of people we like turning on each other is not great i think it's interesting that at the moment we we don't see established characters fighting which we thought we kind of would right where we're kind of expecting sort of fisticuffs to to be thrown between two rival avengers teams for example we don't see any of that what we do see is just a versus x and name namor and his people versus wakandans which can't be a massive uh massive surprise so that's kind of an interesting wrinkle here but um yeah look i'm excited i'm i'm excited to see the x-men i know and love or some of them back and uh and see how that folds into the the regular MCU.

1:08:39Chris Hewitt:All right. I am hugely excited about this. There are caveats, of course, that this wasn't the original plan. They've improvised a lot very effectively in the MCU. They've rolled with the punches really, really brilliantly over the years. But the plan, of course, is that this would be Avengers of the Kang Dynasty, and this has all changed. The Russos were not meant to be involved, and now they're involved, and Steve McFeely was not meant to be involved, and now he's involved, that Downey was not about to be playing Doctor Doom and now he is. And there's so much going on here. There's so many characters in this and they've got so much story to tell.

1:09:13Chris Hewitt:And they have to make it feel like Infinity War, but not be Infinity War and not just ape the beats of that movie. Like, I expect this movie to have a downbeat ending, but how do you do that without doing what they did with Infinity War? Unless you have people repeatedly refer to Scott Lang's Lifeless Corpse, I don't really know what you're going to do. If we were, yeah, I'm really, really massively, massively excited. I'm excited to go see this with James on the 18th of December. He'll squeeze it in in between a few wings of Dune Part 3, of course. It's a very, very good trailer. We still are no closer to getting any idea on the plot of this movie.

1:09:53Chris Hewitt:And I think that is something that they will have to address over the next few months. Part of me even hopes they don't. Like, I'd love to go into this near blind without any idea what the hell's going on. That would be very exciting. Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm thinking of someone who has to write a feature about this at some point. And I'm slightly terrified. I wouldn't want to be that guy. Gosh, imagine how hard that would be. We're going to need a miracle. There's no question about it. Anyway, all that is in the future. Right now, I have to edit this. It's a good job. It's a tight 20.

1:10:31Chris Hewitt:Tight 20. Hopefully we didn't have any libelous bits, so I'll just throw it up mostly as it was. But in the meantime, all that remains is to say goodbye to my two colleagues of such lethal cunning, who will be in charge of the podcast this week while I am in San Diego. So don't fuck it up. No incursions, please, Helen or James. No promises. Toodaloo. Bye. And it's goodbye for me as well. I'm off to edit this. It is the toughest edit with which I have been fest. Thanks for listening. See you next time. Bye bye.