Gareth Edwards On Jurassic World Rebirth: An Empire Podcast Spoiler Special Interview

0:14Chris Hewitt:Hello Pod, I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to our latest Empire Podcast spoiler special interview. you. Gareth Edwards' Jurassic World Rebirth, the seventh movie in the Jurassic Park slash Jurassic World franchise, has been out in cinemas for about two weeks now, so it is the perfect time to bring you the spoiler special chat I recorded with Edwards recently in, you'll never guess, a London hotel room. Gareth was on cracking form, talking openly and honestly about some of the film's major sequences and the creative decisions that he made from the deployment of Velociraptors to the fate of a major character, and much, much more.

0:54Chris Hewitt:And, there's no getting around this, he does some of it while doing an Alan Partridge impression, which is a first for the podcast. Not an Alan Partridge impression, they've been up before, but a major director doing an Alan Partridge impression. That's never happened, Chris McQuarrie didn't do that in about 30 hours of Mission Impossible spoiler special interviews. Anyway, we begin this interview, therefore, in media res, as the two of us were chatting before I pressed record about doing the interview in silly radio voices, which is how the Partridge began. So now you're all caught up. Knowing me, Chris Hewitt, knowing you, Gareth Edwards.

1:34Chris Hewitt:Aha! Enjoy. All right, pop pickers. Welcome to the Jurassic World Rebirth spoiler special. Not off. I should do more about Alan Partridge Can we do the entire interview In these voices? Oh that's right, yes, Alan Partridge That's fucking amazing That's genuinely good Not bad You're making me subconscious now You lost it there towards the end But that was pretty good Can you do Jurassic Park? Please give me Jurassic Park You do have dinosaurs on your dinosaur tour, John No, I mean Partridge doing Jurassic Park Oh, I'm sorry. Can you do that? Come on, Gareth. Honestly, what's going on? Uh, hang on.

2:18Oh, that's right. Jurassic Park. There we go. Done. Fantastic. Gareth Edwards, Director of Jurassic World Rebirth. How are you, man? I'm good. I want to carry on in the Alan Partridge voice, if that's all right. Yeah. Well, yeah, please, please do. Please do. I spent most of university doing the Alan Partridge voice. Every time I was sarcastic, I had to do an Alan Partridge voice so people understood I was joking.

2:39Chris Hewitt:This is a side to you I haven't seen before I didn't know you were an impressionist I did Alan Partridge and my flatmate did John Shuttleworth, do you remember him? I do remember John Shuttleworth Do you do anyone else? Is there anyone else in your repertoire? No, that was it It probably is, it'll come out later You've heard of the man of a thousand voices You're just a man of a voice Two voices, my own and Alan Partridge That is not bad though Alright, should we get some questions? because I walked into the room and you said, I'm expecting some good questions from you. And I hope I can deliver on that.

3:14Yeah, well, I'll be the judge of that. I was torn between a number of opening questions,

3:20Chris Hewitt:you know, kind of easy softballs to get you off the bat, off the mark, so to speak. I'm going to give you them all. Okay. All right. Hang on, I know one of them already. Which is? What's your favourite dinosaur? Shit, no. Oh, you didn't have that one? No, I don't have that one. Okay, all right. Good. Let's move on. I'm not first base, but I'm second base. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I offended you now. No, you haven't. But this is a spoiler podcast. Yes. All right. So there is a bar in this movie that is called Van Dyke's Bar. Yes. Is that a reference to Virgil van Dyke? You would have to ask David Koepp because he wrote that line that said that.

4:01Almost certainly not. Because I've spoken to David Koepp many times. He doesn't strike me as someone who's into football. Yeah, I don't think so either.

4:10Chris Hewitt:All right. Crossing that one off the list. Second one is, how do you know when to deploy the Johnny Williams Jurassic Park theme? You do it a couple of times in the movie, obviously. Here's what you do. You put it in the three places you think it should be, right? And then you play it and everyone says, do we need John Williams? and so you remove it and then they watch it without it and they go you know what put it back in yeah and then you put it back in three places where it was in the first place so the three places are so well working backwards if someone said okay you've got you've got you can only put it in one place where you're going to put it that would be the real dilemma because i really really really wanted it to be at the end credits yeah as they're going off to the sunset yeah yeah and so that would have been number one and then basically uh number two would have had to have been the titanosaur scene yes it would have been a close number one competing with number one yes and then you get a third one for free so then that was basically when the the plane heads into the um they're flying in the football reference bar that you talked about you get the majesty of van dykes yeah yeah okay it's actually a different theme you know when people go hey i'm the jurassic park theme yeah and they go yeah but that's not then there's also yeah yeah exactly it's like doing Blue Peter and Popeye theme you do one you can't do the other go on do Blue Peter oh fuck shit is that Popeye?

5:54that's Popeye so you can only do one or the other

5:56Chris Hewitt:Popeye the sailor man this is not where I expected this Jurassic Park I can't I can't separate the Blue Peter and Popeye theme I can't do it it was a similar world which is your favourite I'm not going to ask your favourite dinosaur probably Popeye no no favourite Jurassic theme it's got to be the emotional one no No. That's the emotional one. Okay. All right. Good. That's question two ticked off. Question three. My favorite dinosaur is Brontosaurus, by the way. Oh, is it? It's not. We had a running joke. I can say this because this is a fun podcast, right? Yeah. So in the edit suite, me and the editor, Jay Bez, it's like therapy.

6:44You basically spend nine months locked in a room, 14 hours a day, seven days a week with one person. and they learn far too much about you. And you end up going off a massive tangent down rabbit holes and just ranting about all sorts of nonsense. And he would, every time I'd go down on a rant, he would say, save the gold for the publicity tour. And so then, and he would joke that I was going to get asked, what's your favorite dinosaur? I'll go off on a rant about filmmaking or something. And then he'd be like, and then as if I was sort of catching me out of that rant, I'd suddenly have to go, oh yeah, I'm sorry, it's Brachiosaurus.

7:19It's my favourite dinosaur. And so every time I went on a rant, he would just stop me and go, it's Brachiosaurus.

7:26Chris Hewitt:Amazing. So I'll do that if you're off, if you go off tangent at any point during this. It's Brachiosaurus. Speaking of which, is that a Brachiosaurus that we see essentially dying? Oh, yeah. You know what? I think it is. I should know, shouldn't I? Bronto Billy. Yes. Yeah. A Brachiosaurus. Yeah. Yeah, because that introduces, I think, one of the key themes of the movie and something your movie plays on. And I'm sorry to say that this is a serious question now, but you have this thread that runs through the movie about people are bored of dinosaurs, that dinosaurs have lost their novelty. Hence the genetically engineered monstrous mutations we get later on in the film.

8:10Chris Hewitt:But was that something that you were wrestling with as well as a director coming at this? because it's really interesting to me the way you deploy the greatest hits, shall we say, of the franchise. You know, there's a T-Rex scene, there's a raptor scene, there's, you know, there's a, what's the one that goes, Dilophosaurus. Right, yeah. There's a Dilophosaurus scene. How does it go? You know that one. And, you know, but the bulk of the action is reserved for the monster sputations. Was that something you were wrestling with as well? um yeah no because you do get you do hit that i mean i i to me it made sense all the moves that were made all the chess moves that were made on the franchise if you want to call it that made sense i thought when you first hear okay there's going to be a um movie about genetically engineering dinosaurs and you go oh wow that's really super cool it's gonna be a theme park you go okay yeah that makes sense that's how it'd begin and you think westworld right it's gonna it's gonna start like that and then they go no it's gonna be before it opens and they're just sort of like testing the park and some people are like going to approve it and you go oh you know and you sort of go that's not where i would have gone with that but okay then spielberg makes a masterpiece with it and it's very contained you go okay well the next move surely well they end up going back to the park don't they and you go okay fair enough and then they get onto the mainland you go oh that's great yeah um then at some point you know someone goes okay well what if the next move is they actually make the theme park right and you get that movie you thought you were going to get a long time ago when you first heard the idea and you go okay fantastic that's gonna make all the money in the world which it did and then you go okay where'd you go from there okay what if they get onto the mainland oh yeah i'm with you let's do it and then eventually like the fun idea is well what if they became normalized right and they became part of the world you go yeah i'm with you there too that makes sense these are all places you would go yeah and then you're sort of trapped aren't you and you go what do you do now and and so So it was, it's the elephant in the room or the T-Rex in the room.

10:07Yeah. Is, is where'd you go from there? And when I read the script, the first sort of page kind of acknowledged that and sort of said that the world had got bored of them and they were dying off and no one cared anymore. And I know they weren't saying this, but to me as a filmmaker, the dinosaurs became a little bit like um a metaphor for franchise filmmaking and like something that's been you've seen a lot of and where do you go from what you do now and and also that there's a line there's a whole scene scene in the film obviously where they're on the beach and uh rupert's character is sort of going um the crowd like the audiences were getting bored so they started mutating them they started doing this they started doing that i.e like it's their fault you know i mean like no one cared you know we had to just go further and further and the money was driving this thing and i just felt like all of these things felt they rang true from a filmmaking point of view yeah metaphorically yeah and so i thought that's quite honest and interesting and and even if no one picks up on that as a filmmaker it sort of gave me i felt a bit better about it and and and my first movie monsters uh it's available in all good retail shops and disney plus and some bad ones as well mainly mainly gas garages in the little bin you know when when it's like i think it's 199 or something yeah yeah i wish it was in there it's not no it's not but it is on disney plus um is you end up um basically the whole point of that film because there was very little i could do back then was what if you started a monster movie where all others tend to end when no one cares anymore and life just goes on and i thought oh that's interesting that's something i feel like you could explore something in that that's not been done and in a weird way this film was starting a bit like that and david kept who's the writer of this he my first zoom with him um which everyone was warning me about they were because they were sort of saying oh you know had there were certain ideas i wanted to put into the film and they were like well good luck getting them past david you know and and the second the zoom came on i was thinking oh no what am i gonna meet now um this really nice guy turned up and behind him was a poster of king kong and i suddenly went oh you like king kong we just started talking about king kong and and about um um i had some weird story where i got to meet ray harryhausen once and ended up um telling that story and then talking about how at the end of King Kong when he falls off the building that in a way that's where my first movie was sort of set in the aftermath of that like the collapsed creature where something had happened and you didn't know what and normally like it'd been the end credits of another film and now this other film our film was beginning and I said this script felt like it could do that a little bit like I so I was trying to say like could we do that with this fallen dinosaur like actually see a dead one in the streets of New York and he was really into that And so we just really hit it off and saw on this, like totally on the same page and started really like, I really enjoyed working with him.

13:20He was the main thing you can have on your side as a filmmaker. If it's the people that you work with agree with you, what's a good film and what isn't. And we both had the same taste. And so we just like, just kept piling all these little thoughts on top of what was already there, which was great. And then, so this film sort of started in a weird way, started with a similar premise to my first film, which is this fallen dead creature that really is actually the end of another series of films. Like, what do you do now? And so they had that in common.

13:53Chris Hewitt:There's a kind of a running gag that some of the Jurassic World movies, the titles of them would apply to other movies in the Jurassic Park franchise. Okay. So this could be Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Perhaps more so than Fallen Kingdom was. okay if that makes sense because you're picking up now the dinosaurs of of the rain on earth or second rain on earth is essentially coming to an end yeah in this one yeah i mean it's always like that's probably a symptom of whenever you're making these big movies it's a race to who can have the coolest words in that in the end of their like main title yeah yeah people grab the good ones first don't they the first ones in the room get the good ones very true but did that did that shape your approach then to using those classic dinosaurs the T-Rex sequence I want to talk about but the use of raptors is really interesting in this movie our mutual friend Dan Jolin was on set of this movie and saw raptors in a scene towards the end so outside the InGen laboratory which is now not in the film so correct me if I'm wrong here Gareth but the only real raptor scene is that gag where they're creeping up on uh xavier yeah so there was another moment later okay so how it was though in the in the script the scene with xavier so there was him witnessing a a mutadon and i wanted to do it in a wanna where he was peeing and all this sort of stuff and it's very long shot and the goal if you ever want to keep a wanna in a movie the little handy hint for filmmakers is do not shoot any cutaways because then you cannot do anything but keep the wanna if you if you do anything that allows you to to trim it it will get trimmed yes because at some point some voice somewhere is going to go this is too long yes get rid of it yes and so so basically we had this really long shot of xavier and we were really struggling how to do it and we tried everything we tried loads of different um ilm did all these different animations of um mutadons already in the trees coming down two mutadons fighting behind him all this sort of stuff and that was that so the same idea that the camera was fixed in his face while all this was going on okay but it was just that was just pure mutadons and then at the end of the movie there was this little raptor moment but i always struggled with it personally because you had this raptor moment and then they run off and then the mutadons arrive and it felt a little bit like you start to have one idea and you forget it and you have another idea and it felt a bit like a hat on a hat and so i was never a fan of that and there's a line where he says please don't say they're raptors and then he goes they're raptors right it's in the trailer the first trailer and i wasn't such a fan of it and so on set we were like let's improvise some other ideas like and Jonathan also wanted to do some other ideas and so we tried lots of different things and one of them that came out was please don't say they're raptors and it went to Jonathan he went okay and it got a laugh right and so we were like I think that's the line right yeah but then what happens is um trailers get made and they just go out into the world yeah and it wasn't the line that we were using in the film and so then this thing went out and I was like oh no it's going to be the version of the scene i don't like and it felt like a hat on a hat and we had this feedback that the third act was a bit too long and you got cut like 10 minutes out of it basically and so we were looking at places to trim and it really felt like this double beat of these raptors apart from the fact it's raptors and i want to see raptors too right that's where you come to the cinema yeah but it just felt like this is this is the bit to go isn't it and so we we we took it out and no one missed it and then it felt like shit we don't have raptors in the movie this this is a crime against jurassic so jay bez um the editor um said why don't we put the raptors in the scene with him peeing and that they creep up on him and then the mootodon kills them and then at least the mootodon scary because it can kill a raptor yeah and so it just it just landed that way and and it by the way um everyone is slightly disappointed about this go by or get hold of some version of the film where you can see the extras because the deleted scenes are in there and that scene's in there so we're just trying to sell more just trying to sell more blu-rays really and of course if they want to see raptors can i recommend a film called jurassic park yeah exactly so it's all there uh that's really interesting i love that also interesting note dan and i were discussing this uh about the mutadonts sora a couple of them get killed towards the end of the movie.

18:51Chris Hewitt:Right. Or get shot. We think this is the first time a human has killed a dinosaur in one of these movies. Can you talk about that, that decision? I mean, when you're dealing with these monstrous creations, even though we have some sympathy for the D-Rex because clearly it's gone through some shit, does it allow you to, quote-unquote, villainize them a little bit more than the T-Rexes or the Raptors, which, you know, going back to the original movie, are just animals doing animal things. I guess so. The death of that mutadon was not always going to play out like that. What happened was, this is the thing, when you actually end up explaining why something lands the way it did, there's long, boring stories about it.

19:42Do you want another one?

19:43Chris Hewitt:We love long, boring stories on the Emperor podcast. So the long, boring story for this one. The Partridge voice, that might take some of the edge off. So the, uh, aha, that's right. So the, uh, the Velociraptor was, uh, um, basically that, that was planned to be, she, we had a little scene where she actually hits the side of the wall and a gate comes down and stops that thing from killing them. Right. Yeah. And so it was still alive. And then that same one essentially was the one that then come and chase them at the very end or came trying to grab them at the end um but then we realized she still had a gun in her pocket yeah and and that she why wasn't she using that against the d-rex and this was what this came to us in post-production okay um and so so we essentially needed her to click click click on that gun so that you knew she was out of bullets right but you wouldn't be out of bullets and the things to be alive so anyway so we killed the thing and went back and these are all like you're kind of writing the movie in post-production as well you know i mean especially these sort of details yeah and we and like that whole tunnel sequence was probably at least twice if not three times the length of what it is in the movie and it got compressed and i think the third act was not that there's like hey you should sit and watch this version yeah yeah yeah but but it was a lot longer and and then it just felt like i mean david kept said um if i was we we showed him the movie and he really was happy but he said when it gets to the third act um he says the only advice i'd really give you is just imagine it was just called run like hell and so so basically anything where they stood still and chatted kind of got hit the curtain room floor a little bit yeah yeah um so there's lots of boring reasons about so many little decisions, but, um, yeah, you kind of just, you just trial and error.

21:45Really. There's a certain point where you put the movie together and then you're kind of looking at other people and trying things and seeing their reactions and going, I think this is better than that. Yeah.

21:54Chris Hewitt:And with regard to that, uh, at the end, uh, I was, I was convinced that Duncan was going to be killed in this movie, uh, from the first trailer, which is a nice bit of misdirection. Uh, Did he die at any point? Was he reprieved in a way? Yeah, he died and lived simultaneously. He had a parallel life all at the same time. So we knew this was going to be an issue. And we had an issue even in the script stage. And I was a fan of him dying. Mahershala was a fan of him dying. So were a lot of other people. I think Stephen too, I can't remember it. and and then at the time right and then we were sort of told you've got to shoot him living because we haven't got time to do a pickup shoot so just get the version where he lives too and then i was thinking i know what's going to happen we're going to have to keep the version where he lives so i've got to really imagine this in a good way so if i'm forced to keep it i don't hate this ending you've got to shoot it in the right way you got to approach it in the right way And I kept reminding myself, I would never compare our movie to the masterpiece that is E.T.

23:09But E.T. dies and comes back and you don't hate it because you're kind of like happy. So I think the reason that might have worked strongly in that movie is because you really thought he was going to die. And he did die. And then he came back and you were happy. It's when you deep down know he's not dead. And so I feel like the fact that we did film him Like he was going to die And everyone treated it like that And everyone says all the things that people say to people When you're not going to see them again Like you have those little moments Like the worst thing you can do If you're about to go try and rescue someone From a burning building Is have another person in your life Tell you like a key Bit of The fact that they love you Or some sort of line of dialogue That they've said to you earlier in your life yes don't do that because then it means you're not going to make it out absolutely and so we sort of did all those little tropes you know because we were planning to kill him as well and so that i hope might be might have inadvertently flagged to the audience like oh he's gonna die yeah so that then when he does survive and i really do like the way um audrina the little actress that plays isabella reacts to the flare and and i like i like the the look of that little section and it's got an it's a nice it could i don't know i was i was happy with the way

24:33Chris Hewitt:that played out so it didn't bother me do you have a a headcanon story for what happens after he's being menaced by the d-rex and then we we assume he's been chomped and then we shot a shot that we cut out i say all this stuff like and then people want to see it and you go no no no there's a reason it's not in the film but we shot we shot him submerging underwater where he could have got away got you and and there's actually a line of dialogue earlier where he goes um uh something like he's talking about being in the jungle he says i hate because um it talks about dying in the jungle i can't remember the exact words he says i talked about dying in the jungle and he says the only way uh is if you're underwater and it was just setting up the fact that he would escape by being underwater um okay it's all subconscious stuff that i got you're going to notice but i like that i like that so so duncan was going to die and then survived was reprieved uh ed skrine not reprieved he was always one of the first to go uh you know we see the there's a couple of deaths in the in the opening scene which i want to talk about before before we go but uh yeah can you talk about that by bringing ed in to uh to bump him off on pretty unceremoniously and it's a fucking horrible time but you want i think every weirdly ed was really good at you always feel guilty when you have an actor and at a certain point in the page count of the script they're gone yeah and you sort of feel like oh they're gonna agree to do this and you want the best actor you can ever get right yeah yeah and so you aim high and and we were very lucky to get ed and he um but he was totally up for it it was like a badge of honor for him and he understood and he was like you know just he was so excited about the way he died he and it was like this glorious thing and he was really into it and and like he was a really good stunt guy as well so he would do all that stuff on wires as well with the stunt people amazing um yeah and i always wondered if you had to die which death would you have in this film i would take ed's because i think he actually drowned i think that's how he died like it was probably really painful and then he eventually his lungs filled with seawater and he drowned.

26:50And it was blissful. I would take that over being chomped in half like Krebs was.

26:57Chris Hewitt:But Krebs that's quick, right? That's got to be quicker than drowning. He was probably still alive. No, because if you get decapitated you're still alive for like 10 seconds, aren't you? I thought it was longer but yeah. So it was just at the lower part of his belly so his heart's still beating. So all the sort of pain signals are still going to his he's feeling it. I think he's alive for the next 25 seconds conscious so even as it cuts to the next scene he's probably still alive when the thing comes and looks at Isabella he can probably hear the shouting yeah and he's probably being slowly dissolved by stomach acid he's just just enough time to go I've been bitten in half by a dinosaur yeah and then he's probably hoping that he'll drown in stomach acid so it will stop the pain having said earlier on and I'm paraphrasing here Gareth because I've only seen the film once but he says something to the effect of I'm too smart to die Right Which I mean Come on He must know That the second he said that He was a goner Has he not seen one of these movies?

27:53Yeah He obviously hasn't You should quiz him on that Yeah There should be Jurassic Park movies

28:00Chris Hewitt:In universe Of this film I actually wanted to do that We got a Ray Harryhausen clip In the movie But one of the things I wanted to do And I pitched it early on And everyone smiled Like they were going to Agree to it But was that The Jurassic Park The events of Jurassic Park Had been uh made into a movie but it wasn't our jurassic park it was like probably like a cheesy rubbish version um by an inferior director like me oh come on and it had come on and it had um like like c-list actors in it and stuff and i wanted it to be on tv at some point and you see like a famous scene like the um you know like the t-rex attack but it's different actors and it's not quite as good.

28:42Oh, that would have been amazing. Yeah.

28:44Chris Hewitt:Oh, there's still time probably. Alright, I've got to let you go in two seconds but two sequences I wanted to talk about. One was the T-Rex attack because you know, as you guys have said and as David has said over the years people have been waiting for that sequence to be adapted from, it's the first Jurassic Park book I think I believe for a long, long time. So can you talk about bringing that to life and you know, I love the reveal of the T-Rex for example that's that's beautiful and that whole sequence with the with the self-inflating dinghy so many great gags in there must be a blast um so yeah it was um i had no idea it was in the original for the longest time i had read the book as a 17 year old just 32 years ago and i don't remember things that well and so i just had forgotten i remember this there was some bits with the waterfall and the t-rex you know but i'd forgotten about the raft and so when i read the screenplay i just saw this section with the raft and i felt like oh this feels like something that's been missing like as in this did feel like it'd been picked up out of the original and put in this script yeah yeah and so i was like this is this is worth doing just for the sequence alone and and then i mean really to be honest the fear was then we've got to make the other you know sequences around it better so that this is not the it would do my head in if everybody just kept coming up to me saying this is the climax yeah like i loved oh i love the t-brex i love the t-brex and that's all they ever said yeah there would be a i'd feel like i'd failed and so i i tried to make it a little bit worse while i was directing it so so it was already like oh come on baked in that it wouldn't be that great come on there was so basically uh yeah it was i didn't know it existed in the script and then and then we were in post and we'd shot it all and we were editing it and honestly we had so little time off we went after like two or three months in the edit we had our first lunch break where we got to leave the edit and go get lunch outside and and we went down the road we went to forbidden planet in london and we're just looking around and and jay bears the editor saw uh the making of the jurassic films this coffee table book and and bought it and then we he brought it back to the edit and he was flicking through it he was like oh my god it's the raft sequence i ended up looking at it and seeing all these storyboards of the raft that steven had done oh wow and i had no idea and thinking oh my god i'm so glad i didn't know this because a i would have probably looked at them and thought i had to do this somehow yeah and b um it would have been too much pressure but um yeah I hope I mean it is one of my favourite parts of the movie obviously I don't know how well I succeeded at trying to make it not that good you made it very good but you've also got the I've got a good way to go but the I'll never say this right Quetzalcoatl it's not bad how do you say it I'm going to try to do it in Ampartheid Quetzalcoatlus Quetzalcoatlus

31:58Chris Hewitt:Quetzal, I'm trying to do, Mr. Patrick, Quetzalcoatlus. Yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah. You got that sequence and you got the whole end as well, but you also have a belt of a beginning. I'm going to end with the beginning, like Tarantino. How many conversations did you have with Mars about a Snickers wrapper being the thing that leads to disaster? I personally didn't have those conversations. Do you hate Snickers? What do you have against Snickers? Well, you know, ironically, the confectioners, confectionary companies like seeing their product in major motion pictures. And so it was actually the opposite problem where people wanted their wrappers to be the reason of the downfall of humanity.

32:47What? and so and so yeah we we had there was a couple of options at the beginning of which candy bar to use and Snickers were just like we'll do it here you go you know and without any with zero like you know consequences or notes it's like it leads

33:06Chris Hewitt:to the death of several people like there's that there's that guy at the beginning we like him he's a likable guy but we're talking about it on an internationally loved podcast yeah but we're not saying buy Snickers although I just did well you just said it so you are but you know but if you did buy Snickers would at least you did it twice now you see see how it works damn it thing is I don't like peanuts see they're right it's not gonna work on me right but it's such a fun idea was that something that you brought to it as well just the idea of the candy bar wrapper chocolate bar wrapper it was my idea to do the show the scene of I say it was my idea like but it was I wanted to do the scene where you see the events that made the lab everything go wrong yeah so basically you see the the scientists run and get trapped and all that whatever and and then david kept i was like i don't know why he gets trapped and so david kept came up with this idea with um this wrapper you know yeah which weirdly at the time felt absurd but to me it's a bit david cronenbergy like like the fly that gets caught in yeah in the teleportation device yeah like something you're not really paying attention to it's going to be the downfall of everything um and also it was it's all got compressed a little bit like everything in a movie does there was a bit of a longer moment with that but um to me it was a bit like the feathering forrest gump as well that floats down and you just follow we had this hot i did shoot that scene where all you do is follow the rapper right and you don't go to the scientists you just follow the rapper all the way to the door and the problem was it looked like a giant advert for snickers by snickers yeah it looked like such an obscene advert for snickers that I couldn't do it.

34:48Chris Hewitt:But so there was more stuff in there. We followed the scientists in as well. Oh, man. Well, there you go. That is a great advert for Snickers anyway, Gareth. So it's all good. It's all good in the end. I'm going to let you go. But it's been a pleasure as always. Gareth Edwards, thanks very much indeed. Aha! Okay, that was Gareth Edwards, folks, talking about Jurassic World Rebirth, which is very much in cinemas right now. and doing boffo box office business, as they say. And no, I don't know how I didn't end that interview with, on that bombshell, terrible partridge. But anyway, it's a regret I will harbour until my dying day.

35:28Chris Hewitt:But I hope you enjoyed it. Gareth was on great form. His partridge is pretty darn good, I have to say. And that is it for this Jurassic World Rebirth interview special. In case you missed it, Team Empire's take on the movie is already in the spoiler special feed, so give that a listen if you haven't done so already. And keep them peeled for more spoiler specials coming your way over the next few weeks and months including most imminently Joseph Kaczynski on F1, James Gunn on Superman, plus a second Team Empire Superman spoiler special, a Team Empire take on Ironheart, there's the Fantastic 4 first steps coming up as well, plus much, much more.

36:07Chris Hewitt:Thanks as ever for subscribing and for your support, and do spread the word to anyone who you think might enjoy these spoiler specials. OK, that is enough from me, I'm off to have a delicious Snickers. No wait, I actually don't like peanuts. I will settle for a Mars. I'm sure it won't lead to a giant mutated dinosaur being unleashed upon the general population. Thanks for listening, see you next time, bye bye.

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