The Empire Podcast — June 26, 2026 (ft. Johnny Knoxville & Jeff Tremaine)

21:24Chris Hewitt:Go to another podcast. You can get in touch with me on Instagram. That's where I'm mainly taking questions these days. C-T-A-H-1-9-7-6 is my name on Instagram, trips of the tongue. So go along there, wait for a semi-panicked shout out every now and again, and then reply to that. And I'll pick, I'm not saying the best question, but just the first one my eyes are light on. A question. And we'll do that. But listen, shall we have a break? All right, let's. Shall we take a quick break? Let's have a kick, Kat. Yeah, let's have a kick. Mon, did you bring one for everybody? No. Damn it. I didn't bring one for me.

22:00Chris Hewitt:Well, then you lie and sign yourself to lies. You are. You're a lying liar who lies. During the break, go out and get two Kit Kats. We need to have eight fingers. We've got five people in this room. So that's three fingers for me, and then spit the rest between you. All right, we'll be back in two seconds. Bye-bye. Okay, we are back, back, back, folks. And now it's time to dig deep into the week's movie news. What is happening in the world of movie news? And that is a genuine question, because I don't know. Okay, great. We're recording this on Wednesday afternoon, which may become the new normal going forward.

22:32Chris Hewitt:You never know. And Hollywood has left us bereft. Or have they, Helen? Well, there's a couple of things from the end of last week that we didn't cover on the pod last week. Okay. Like, let's just think for a moment of soothing, cooling snow. Okay? Let's just think of Christmas and snowiness and The Grinch. Oh, no. Because there was apparently a Grinch sequel in the works. there is talk of Ron Howard coming back and Jim Carrey once again enduring the physical and mental torment of putting on the Grinch suit which to be fair they may have you know sped up the process in the last 20 years or he could do more cap maybe anyway but there is talk of how the Grinch stole Christmas 2 that there are writers on board that this is happening that would make a change for the first movie it wasn't that bad it was fine just to be clear is he stealing Christmas again or is it how the Grinch stole Easter?

23:29Like, what's the point? I don't know. Maybe there'll be another Grinch and he has to work with the Whovians to... Or whoever. No, not the Whovians. I mean, this has taken on a whole new dimension. Literally. Oh my God, that would be hilarious if this turned out to be the missing Christmas special to the now-cancel Doctor Who. Anyway, that's what was happening.

23:45Chris Hewitt:The Grinch has congenital heart condition because his heart grew three times its normal size on that day. No, extra sizes didn't grow three times. If he's a Whovian, he might have two hearts, like the Doctor. Or like Phil Collins. Right. Okay. But anyway, what I think might get you back on board is that the writers are from Curb Your Enthusiasm. They show that famous you don't have any writers. No, but they have Alec Berg, Jeff Schaefer, and David Mandel, who also worked on, okay, The Cat in the Hat. But we're not going to worry about that. It gets worse and worse than that. Look, if you watch the animated one that Benedict Cumberbatch does.

24:23Which is decent. Which is decent. Honestly, it made me remember how much better the live-action one was. Really? I preferred Cumberbatch's Grinch. I have a loathing for the Jim Carrey Grinch. I do not like it at all. Is it like looking in a mirror at Oni Narns? It's a little close to home is what I'm saying.

24:39Chris Hewitt:You do not like it, Sam. I do not like it. I do not like Green Eggs and Ham. I do not like it, Sam. I am. I would not, could not on a train. I would not, could not in the rain. Yeah, absolutely not. I don't hold on with Dot Seuss. Sorry. Really? Yeah, I'm not a fan. I am. I am genuinely intrigued, though, that Jim Carrey would go back to a film he famously found incredibly difficult to make, and I find that interesting. He came out of retirement again to do this. And I hope that that means that someone has a genuinely exciting idea for this and that there's something genuinely good here. I'm the optimist here, all right?

25:14Someone has a very exciting checkbook, which they're prepared to address.

25:18Chris Hewitt:I think the heart thing's the way to go. The Grinch is dying and needs a heart transplant, and they need to find someone whose heart is exactly the same size as the Grinch's. And that's tough. So it could be how the Grinch stole someone else's heart. Wow. And the Grinch has to basically kidnap someone. And tear their heart out. Like Mullah Rahm. Yeah. Because the Grinch and Underwood have changed a character at the end of that movie. I mean, I assume. I don't know. I literally walked out after an hour. But it's one of the films I've walked out of. I was a pain punter back then. I wasn't a journalist when I saw that movie.

25:50Chris Hewitt:and that was very much a kind of life is too short to see this. This is genuinely, I like Ron Howard as a filmmaker. I like a lot of Ron Howard films but this is genuinely one of the worst things I have ever seen. Yeah, but like when you watch a lot of Christmas movies then you look back at The Grinch and you're like, I mean, at least it had actors. With stars in your eyes and snowdrops in your, oh my God. I'm also going to join you in Optimism, though. Yeah, thank you. Because I'm a big Jim Kay fan. And I don't think he, like you said, Helen comes and repeats roles lightly. And off the back of his last Jim Carrey performance, which in the great, legitimately great Sonic 3, I had a great, great time with that.

26:32And he's fantastic. I'm sorry.

26:34Chris Hewitt:Okay. Have you seen the movie? It's legitimately a great movie. It's not. Well, I wouldn't go so far as great, but look. That's my small nephew's favorite movie. It's legitimately a movie. We can all agree on that. It's a decent movie. I've seen it I enjoyed it I interviewed Ben Schwartz and the director Jeff Fowler for the podcast I knew all the references I totally got them Jim Carrey is fantastic in that movie legitimately a great movie have you lost your damn full mind I say this as someone who was very you know the first two Sonic movies meh forgettable can't remember Sonic 3 I remember watching it and being surprised at how much I really really enjoyed it I think I was sat next to you on that screen alright I'm on I've been looking for a ranking subject for some time now I've got a long list of ranking things to do at some point Jim Carrey has never been on the list and it's Carrey not Carrey by the way has never been on the list but you may have just talked him onto it yes that's a good idea it's a good one right that's Jim Carrey that is actually pretty good yeah because the spotless mind is up there it means I get to talk about the greatest moment in cinema history oh god I honestly I go on tell us speaking of scenes in which people get very very hot the scene in Ace Ventura when nature calls when he's stuck inside the animatronic rhino and he gets so hot and sweaty and he strips down completely naked and then he tries to get out of the rhino and he can't.

27:58Chris Hewitt:And so he has to crawl out of the fake rhino's arsehole and just as a safari tour is going past and they see what is the most disgusting birth in the history of mankind. Anyway, we'll get to Jackass, best of last, a little bit later in the show. That is worthy of Jackass, I would say. Anyway, what was the question? You were saying that there's legitimately a great movie, so you think that this one could be good. Yeah. I'm just excited to see Jim Carrey back on screen again. Gary. I'm just excited to see Jim Carrey back on screen again. Gary. I hate you so much. I am not excited about this. I want to put it on record.

28:37Chris Hewitt:Great. I think this idea is dreadful. Every day is Christmas Eve, but not for Chris. No. With this Christmas movie, just to reiterate. Every day is Christmas Eve, but Chris is being a Grinch about the Grinch. I'm being very Grinchy about this. But, you know, never know. They might have remembered to make a good movie this time around. Because they forgot last time around. Toy Story 5 has made all of the cash. All of the money. It's made$312 million, which is a franchise best opening. Just to put it in perspective, that's an entire obsession. So it's done quite well, is what we're saying. It has, yeah.

29:14For a film that I liked but did not love. But, you know, I'm pleased to see it do well. Yeah, I'm not mad at it at all. I remember I said this before the screening that I was in started. And I was just like, they're just going to keep cranking these out. Well, this is my worry that this paves the way for Toy Story 6, which is a film we do not need. We don't need, yes. But I also said after having watched Toy Story 5, which I really liked, that if they have something to say, I'm not mad at them cranking these out. Something different to say, presumably, other than the thing they've been saying for five films now.

29:45But yes, yes, indeed. I think there's enough freshness and newness in Toy Story 5 to justify its existence. Yeah, I think the discussion of screen time versus toys is a very live topic right now, right? Yes. So that does make a lot of sense. That's not something particularly... It's just a riff, though. It's a riff on the same no-one's-playing-with-toys-anymore thing. It's just this time it's because they're on their iPads. But it's still basically the same thing, that toys are defunct and homeless and wandering the world like fucking little plastic Ronin. I mean, honestly, that's kind of maybe...

30:16Which is a film I would watch, incidentally. That's where we maybe need to go, where they just rebel against us and start trying to take over the world. So actually, it turns a bit like, remember Puppet Masters? So they actually kill their owners, and they go on a massive rampage, and it's actually a horror movie.

30:32Chris Hewitt:Yeah. I mean, that scene in the first Toy Story, they haven't gone back to that since, really, have they? The scene where the toys willfully come alive in front of Sid and traumatize him for life. now I want to see a film that picks up with Sid who as an adult now Sid Origins Sid's kids aren't allowed toys there's your Toy Story 6 so if you want to have me, not Helen who came up with that idea which I think is actually genuinely terrific okay Helen you can come in as co-writer on that one with me thanks so much we have no integrity whatsoever and will rescind any opinions you want us to rescind publicly about the Toy Story franchise.

31:18Chris Hewitt:Nominal fee? I mean, I'd rather have a substantial fee. A substantial fee. That's a genuinely great idea. Sid's kids can't have toys. Okay, what's next? Well, obviously they try and get toys. Oh, okay. By stealing other people. By abducting toys. Possibly by stealing other people's, but definitely yeah, it causes some upheaval in their family. Is Sid the hero of the film, or is he the villain of this film? I think it's a bit more complicated than that, Chris. Yeah, Chris, don't be so reductive. Yeah, it's not binary, Chris. Jeez. So is he... Okay, so he's been traumatized. He's going to learn some lessons, let's put it that way.

32:01Chris Hewitt:Of course. So Woody came to life in front of him, right? And so he's been traumatized with that. He's living with this pain. No one believes him. He doesn't want his kids to have toys. Does he have a vendetta against Woody? No, but I think he's very uncomfortable around cowboys in general. Maybe he doesn't even know why. He has a panic attack every time he watches Yellowstone. But now that Woody's kind of out there in the world, you know, like rescuing abandoned toys. Oh my God, what if Woody... There is the potential for them to meet again and for Woody to kind of like undo some of that trauma.

32:35Chris Hewitt:Woody could wind up in Sid's garden. Yeah. and Sid would recognize him because Woody's a very rare toy he's the opposite of Buzz so this is great this is fantastic that CTAH1976 my DMs are open I will cut Hilling in on any action from your generous offer that is genuine I think that's better than what they did in Toy Story 5 and I liked what they did in Toy Story 5 but anyway But anyway, Toy Story 5 has done incredibly well. This one would not. It'd be quite dark. But Toy Story 5 has done incredibly, incredibly well. We were talking by a box office at the beginning of the summer and we kind of did think that Toy Story 5 might tickle a billion.

33:21Chris Hewitt:It seems to be that it's likely going to tickle a billion. Do you think it will overtake Mario? I would say so. Mario got there by the skin of its mustache. Yeah, so there we go. Well done to Toy Story 5. big bonus checks coming for everyone who worked in that film I'm sure Amon do you have any news you want to share with us Keanu Reeves is speaking of Toy Story a new Lego movie from Toy Story 4 and Transformers 1 director Josh Cooley that's Cooley which is very cool I am probably the biggest Transformers 1 fan in this room I think I think that doesn't feel like a big statement it's not bad probably most rooms you could probably go into a room with Josh Cooley in it and you'd still be the biggest Transformers 1 fan.

34:09I remember doing the Transformers ranking with you and Helen and I put Transformers 1 as the best Transformers film in the universe. What the fuck? How did you let him come back? Anyway, the point is the idea is that this would be a mixture of live action and Lego which I think is quite interesting. But we don't know anything else about it.

34:32Chris Hewitt:How about this? Okay. That's all. That's it? That's all they've said. Yeah. All right. Anything else? There's a lot of trailers this week. Okay. So we've got the new Taika Waititi, Clara and the Sun with Jenna Ortega as a robot. I didn't even know that he had made a new film. Turns out he has. Yeah. Yeah. So this is the idea is that there are robot friends that you can get to help you with life. And then this one develops a relationship with her owner, I suppose, and then has to try and, it looks like, negotiate her owner's kind of mental health issues and trying to help her through things and trying to figure out the world because she doesn't really have any understanding or knowledge of the world.

35:17So Josie, the owner, is played by Mia Tharia. Her mother is Amy Adams. But it does look like there's some potential kind of weight to this one because it is based on a Kazuo Shiguro novel. So it's not sort of going to be yucking it up presumably the entire time in, say,

35:36Chris Hewitt:the Taika of Thor Ragnarok style. There's clearly some humor in here as well, obviously, but I think there'll be some real heartbreak potentially as well. So that looked really interesting. I think it's going to have to distinguish itself a bit from all the other sort of robots who want to be a real boy films out there, but I'm hopeful. Yeah, I hope. This is Taika on Hump for the Wilder People form. Still the best film, in my opinion. I agree. And yeah, he's been a bit mixed for me since then. But if he can get back to that, then that's very exciting. And then we also have a trailer for Jesse Eisenberg's new film.

36:12Jesse Eisenberg. The debut, which is Julianne Moore as a sort of mousy housewife, if that's possible in her case, taking a role in a community theater play, musical, that is directed by Paul Giometti. And he's a very tough director who's trying to break her down psychologically to build her back up, it looks like. and presumably that will send her life into a tailspin. It looks good. I don't know what is going to happen here, but it looks really good. Jesse Eisenberg also seems to play a role in it. Thank you so much. But yeah, I thought this was a really good trailer. It looks really interesting.

36:49Yeah, I would agree. And detecting a hint of whiplash as well, which is always a good thing, whiplash. Hold on. Yes. You know my opinions. It's on this. Oh, it's a Danish's album. film I can't yeah you have a thing

37:04Chris Hewitt:it could be one of the greatest movies ever made oh wait no it is and still Helen would not like it it's a good movie it's not like oh my god amazing still the greatest ending of any film I've seen in the last decade probably the ending to that film is just god tier alright and there's some other news here's some casting news Craig Gillespie who is the director of this week's Supergirl is going to direct or has entered talks to direct Glenn Powell in Homewreckers which is being described here as a twisty, erotic, sci-fi thriller. I'm onward. We can expect some grunting and maybe even some bending of wood.

37:41Chris Hewitt:Wood bending, yes, some tugging. Tugging all over the place. Grunting and tugging and bending of wood. Looking forward to it. The film's logline, I bet it is, is being kept under wraps. I bet it is. You've got to in our public, don't you? Good lord. What is happening? That's exciting. does anyone else have any movie news yes a couple more trailers oh for god I'm sorry but they exist so there is a trailer kind of for Digger in Yaritou film but it's mostly it's a trailer for Tom Cruise it's a trailer for Tom Cruise it's mostly a trailer reminding remember Tom Cruise and all those films that you love here are some clips from those great films that he has made over his entire career that you love what if Digger was that I do kind of love them And then at the end, there's like 20 seconds of footage from what I assume Digger is going to look like.

38:33Chris Hewitt:Alejandro G. Inaritu's new movie, Digger. Is this a soft launch for his Oscar campaign? There's been a lot of talk about this week off the back of this. There's been talk of that since he signed up to work with Inaritu. This is true. I don't know if he has that hunger so much anymore or if he's made his peace with that. I think he's a good enough actor that he should probably have won already. yes but yeah I think look reminding us that he's one of the great movie stars is no bad way to sell your weird little indie movie I love it I think it's terrific I haven't seen the trailer in question but I've heard about it and just was it four minutes of Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise basically yeah and it's really well cut together it's really good as someone who's dabbled in video editing the editing in this is very impressive I think he did it himself whilst dying lean from the ceiling he was Rolf Saxon's chair he managed to he gave Rolf the shits and Rolf went off and then grew his ankle down at his amazing it's really fascinating like they even have like the clip of him as Austin Powers do you know what I mean it's not just the obvious stuff it's a it's a really good reminder that he's good but it's a weird trailer I am so so excited for Digger I think there was a poster this week where they've obscured his face so you get to see like a full body shot of Cruise as this character digger who from what we've heard is somehow behind some sort of cataclysmic event in the world and is trying to a third catastrophe but in a very inner e2 kind of way and he's dressed in this kind of I imagine Texan cowboy kind of outfit with a big old 10 gallon hat but we didn't see his face in the first teaser trailer and we don't see his face in this because they plonked the logo for the film right over his face so clearly he doesn't look like Tom Cruise.

40:29Chris Hewitt:That's the feeling I'm getting. So what does he look like? What is Digger up to? Is it Len Grossman? Les Grossman? Les Grossman. Yeah, maybe that. I can't believe you haven't led with the big story of the week. What's the big story of the week? I've already talked about Glenn Powell, Bending Wood. Well, the trailer for Ghosts, the possession of God and Hats.

40:52Chris Hewitt:Oh my God! Oh my God! I'm so excited about this film. Oh, yes. You had to put it to one side, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to function. I forgot about it. Thank you, Helen. Yes, yes. Tell the people. Tell the people. This is the trailer for the Ghosts movie, which dropped this week. What do you, what, you know, what can I do? You should tell people about it, it seems to me. Ghosts. Everyone knows what ghosts is, right? Whether you're in this side of the Atlantic or the other side of the Atlantic. Do you know I've never seen the American reboot of this show? Oh, it's good. I hear it's good.

41:24It's really good, yeah. I hear it's good.

41:25Chris Hewitt:I love the British one so much. I don't know. But then again, I prefer The American Office. So maybe I should watch it. It's not a preference situation. They do do some of the same storylines, but with a completely different cast of ghosts, obviously, because it's like different history. And some of their own storylines as well. So it's different enough that it's really enjoyable. And great, great, likable performers as well. You should totally watch it. I will check it out. That is my promise to you right now. But Ghost, in case you don't know what it is, was a BBC One sitcom that ran for five series, not seasons, and a couple of Christmas episodes as well.

42:03Chris Hewitt:That was written by and starred the original cast of Horrible Histories, that amazing sketch show for kids that came out years ago. And they went on to do the likes of Yonderland and Bill, as well as a creative team writing their own stuff, starring in their own stuff. it's Jim Howick Matt Bainton Ben Wilbon Martha Howard Douglas Simon Farnaby and Lawrence Rickard and it's about a young couple who move into a house and one of them becomes through a series of very complicated circumstances able to see that this house she falls out of the window okay I could have just said that she is able to see that the house is filled with ghosts who've been there for centuries or in one case millennia and they are bickering and through the course of the five series, the ghosts become a kind of family of sorts and it is so funny and heartwarming and sad at times and the show is a mini masterpiece and I was so glad that they announced this film, The Possession of Buttonhouse.

43:07Chris Hewitt:Buttonhouse is the house in question and this trailer seems to indicate that a group of kids go to the house. So Mike and Alison, the couple in the show, played by Kyle Smith-Bino and Charlotte Ritchie should have been Lois Lane I'm not letting go of that one are not there anymore they've moved out but the ghosts are still there and the kids do a Ouija board kind of seance type thing and I imagine complications arise from there so yeah exciting shall we have a guest folks let's do it it's because of Who Do You Want but we've only got Johnny Knoxville and Jeff Tremaine but hey That's not bad, right?

43:47Chris Hewitt:That's not bad because they are the guys who are behind five installments of Jackass on the big screen. Jackass, of course, the MTV show, which a group of absolute fucking maniacs do incredible stunts and do themselves mischief. And there is grunting and tugging and bending of wood, usually Chris Pontius's. And somehow they have stretched us into five films. James, you and I have talked about this in the podcast, along with Helen, the merit of the Jackass franchise in the past. I adore these movies beyond measure. They are so, so funny. And also, weirdly, with Jackass Best and Last, which is the last Jackass film, weirdly emotional as well.

44:34Chris Hewitt:Because you get to watch these Jackasses do it for the last time. Johnny Knoxville was hurt quite badly on the last one, Jackass Forever. So it cannot do what he used to do. not do what he used to do, but does it anyway. And this one is essentially kind of a compilation of clips from previous Jackass shows and movies, but also got some new stuff in there as well, including one of the grossest things I've ever seen. Horrible. Absolutely horrible. I fully recommended five stars. And so I went along to a London hotel room, of course I did, to have a chat with Johnny Knoxville and Jeff Tremaine, who is the director of all these movies, and had a lot of fun talking to them.

45:13Chris Hewitt:Here it is. Enjoy. Guys, I love this movie. Thank you. Johnny, I echoed you. I've been emotional as this movie was coming to an end. I didn't expect that from a jackass movie. Did you expect that? You tear up in this movie. I didn't anticipate tearing up, but I mean, I'm a pretty emotional person. Would you?

45:37Would you concur? Would I concur that you're? Yes, he's been crying a lot lately. Yeah. Not from any physical pain. Just the drop of a hat. Yeah, no, but it is an oddly emotional movie. It's like stopping jackasses, like putting down a dog you love. You hate doing it, but it's time.

46:00Chris Hewitt:Yeah. Yeah. Jeff, do you agree? It's like kicking a fossilized dead horse down. I thought you were going to say it's kicking a dog you're about to bring down. No, we don't kick dogs. I thought that's where you were going with that for a second. Okay. But it's not. It's like a fossilized. A fossilized dead horse. A fossilized dead horse. Kicking this damn animal forever. Did you get emotional at all? Johnny was obviously. You know what? Not so much shooting, but in the edit bay, like starting to see some of the old footage and going into the old footage, opening it up and finding stuff was, it's sort of emotional.

46:32Yeah.

46:33Chris Hewitt:Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like a time capsule, right? It is a time capsule. Yeah. Most of our adult life. And we've been through a lot, you know, and just seeing like. Ryan Dunn bringing him back and showing his bits it's been sort of sad How did you structure the movie in that way? Because there was a moment where you kind of dedicate this montage to Ryan at the end there's stuff for Bam obviously who's not in this movie but how did you structure it? It was sort of tricky to figure out how to do we're one of the only franchises you could do a greatest hits kind of thing with but it was sort of hard to pick which things to go in it which things mattered, you know.

47:13Which bull bit to use. You know, there's some crossovers sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we started using, we didn't want it to be a documentary or anything, but some of those bits needed a little bit of context. So we put a little interview pieces in just to give certain bits a little more context.

47:32Chris Hewitt:And Johnny, was there anything that you really wanted to make it in this time around? well this was as far as the old stuff getting in it was a very difficult film to make uh very competitive a lot of great bits got left out uh and that's just how it goes you know you have to kill your baby sometimes you have to kill your babies but in terms of the babies that were included was there anything that you really wanted to make it in there i really got my heart set on doing a credit piece to shine a light by the Rolling Stones right okay like it had to happen and I'd be driving around editing it in my head to the song and finally we reached out to them and asked we even I sat down with an editor and cut down a piece together and we send it to them and Mick had never heard a Jackass so I was like I don't know that could be good or bad but thank goodness they gave us the permission because that was the only song for that yeah yeah so where did this movie come from for you because obviously Jackass forever came out a couple years ago 2012 four years ago now and Johnny obviously you went through a pretty traumatic experience in that movie and it would have been easy I think for you both to kind of draw a line on the jackass at that point but you wanted to go out I don't know was all guns blazing in a way Was that how this came about?

49:05You know, it came out of us being disorganized. We wanted to do something to celebrate the 25th anniversary, but we didn't even start talking about it until... The 25th anniversary. The 25th anniversary. We're like, we should do something. Like, what about, let's get Paramount to re-release the movies. We thought that would be the thing. And then, I think it was someone, one of the executives over there suggested making a best of movie. And then we're like, well, we should shoot some new stuff. Yeah. to and then it just became what it is and it took and they suggested calling it super jackass which we kind of like for a while but then we didn't end up going with that but in terms of the movie

49:43Chris Hewitt:itself you know those days of filming how long did you film on the on the movie itself you get in the gang all together was it a it was a quick shoot it was yeah less than a week yeah yeah yeah six days of shooting most intense six days of shooting we've ever like we've never filmed that much footage in one day. And I don't think we ever filmed that much footage in six days. Like, we packed two weeks of shooting into six days. And then one of the bits we shot, I think it was on the first day, it was the end of the day we decided to shoot the colonoscopy prep.

50:21So when you get a colonoscopy, you have to drink this concoction that flushes your system out. We thought it would be funny to have four of the guys drink it. You thought it would be funny. I thought it would be funny. I did. I thought this was me. Like, you know, I've had to have colonoscopies. I know how that thing works. And so we had our four contestants drink that. And I thought, let's have them play Twister wearing see-through pants. Yeah.

50:44Chris Hewitt:Yeah. But it was after a long day of shooting. And then they drank that. And we didn't give it enough time to settle in. We sort of rushed it. And that, luckily, so only Steve-O kind of exploded. But then all the other guys were up all night just shitting at home or in the hotel room. Like, it wasn't good for them. You know, when they have to get up early and shoot the next day, they were up all night. They were shooting the next day, right? Yeah. And my doctor who gave, I got a colonoscopy from, Dr. Peyton Barucham, he gave us the colonoscopy prep stuff. And he said, mention my name. I'm like, are you sure you want me to mention your name?

51:28He's like, yeah. I'm like, all right. Are you a medical professional? You want to be associated with this? Yeah.

51:34Chris Hewitt:Absolutely. Yeah. But Johnny, I noticed that you stayed clear of the after effects of that. You're well-versed in that now, right? I was on set. He left set about halfway through. First time the director has ever left. it smelled so bad but who's directing at that point it was just steve-o by himself shitting on the floor when i walked out and it was non-stop shitting it's fascinating as well because you're absolutely right you know you're you guys are getting older we're all getting older and it comes from having had colostomies in the past and you know using the things that happen to you as you get older as inspiration grist for the mill yeah we gotta mean it where we are you Yeah.

52:20Chris Hewitt:Yeah. So. Yeah, as well. Is the fact that you're getting older means that you have to draw a line out of the whole thing? Because if you were doing this in your 60, 65 and you took a nasty fall, then suddenly it's a hip replacement and then that's it. Yeah. I mean, I didn't mind so much until my last concussion and then I got medically retired by my doctor. So, and I'm still struggling with that, you know, because the drive is still there and I'm trying to quell that. You know, athletes die twice, even if they're super uncoordinated. Yeah. Athlete. Athlete. I was waiting for you to shit on that.

53:11Chris Hewitt:So when you're watching the guys do the stunts, because there's some stuff you get hit in the crotch in this movie. I got hit in the liver by a heavyweight boxer and it didn't even make the movie. A liver shot is fucking awful. Yeah. That doesn't sound like fun. Yeah. It was terrible. Why was it not in the movie? Why did they not make it? He just wasn't funny enough. Johnny or the boxer? Johnny. Yeah. Johnny, what happened? I don't know. Sometimes, hey, they all can't be hits. Yeah. It's a liver shot, right? Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't breathe or talk for a couple of minutes, so it may have something to do with it.

53:51You know, I think what we're in that bit, I had my shirt on. If I had my shirt off, it would have... Pants, too. You had pants on. Yeah. Everything's funnier if you're naked.

54:02Chris Hewitt:This is very, very true. Two last things I want to talk about before I let you guys go. I never showed my penis much on it. Except for to a select few. Like he broke his penis. You know about that? Yes. Well, it wasn't really his penis that broke, but he broke a handlebar in the gooch, you know, the area between the balls and the butthole. Yeah. A motorcycle like landed and broke the handlebar in there. And we shared an office and he had to put this catheter like all the way through his penis, all the way in to my bladder, to his bladder. But it goes, so it was this long, and he used to love to just wait for me to start walking into the office, and he'd be right there in front of the door just inserting this giant straw into it and just very graphic.

54:53Oh, my God.

54:54Chris Hewitt:And then what would happen? It would just. As soon as you have to push it all the way down to your bladder, and it hits the bladder, then you have to push harder. Then it goes in the bladder, and then the pee goes. Yeah. Okay. But I think he was only supposed to do it for like two weeks, and he did it for two years. No, three and a half years I had to do that twice a day. Is that because you became addicted to it? Well, they didn't want it to stricture. They didn't want it to close up, so I had to keep it open. Now I can put a AA battery down there. No problem. It's all droopy. It's like a sock that's lost its elasticity.

55:32Chris Hewitt:He's laughing at my penis. Yes, we all are. I'm laughing at the concept of your penis. Okay, okay. I'm not actually laughing at your penis. You'd probably laugh at my penis. I've got a lot of sympathy for the pain that you've suffered. He's got sagging dick lips. Now I'm laughing at your penis. That is fair. That is absolutely fair. But is this a regret of yours, Johnny? That you haven't shown your dick and jackass as much as perhaps you might have wanted? Well, as soon as Pontius pulls his gym dog out, you don't really want to pull yours out in front of that, you know? Chris is the only dick we want to see.

56:11Chris Hewitt:Whether you pass for it or not, it is there. Absolutely. The last thing you shot was the last thing you shot, right? It was the end of the movie. I don't want to talk about it too much, but it's on the poster, I guess. It's on the poster. It's on the poster. And what was that like for you? For me, it was very emotional. I cried a few times that day. Just at the end, they let me say, that's a wrap. And I was like, okay, that's a wrap. And I remember Spike telling me, okay, for the next shot, and I'm just listening to him talk, and then I start crying. He's like, why are you crying now? You've been crying all day.

56:48Chris Hewitt:It was kind of nostalgic just to end it where it all started, right? Putting him back in the giant shopping cart was fun. just to you know recall the first movie yeah and saying the line were you able to say the line okay you know I don't want to say it too much but yeah yeah that was fine I just yeah it's tough man it's like the cast and crew have been together so long and we'll do other stuff together other films just not jackass this is it finally the end of the line yeah finally yeah fucking finally See, he's not emotional now. No. He's totally fine now. You're over it. No, no. There have been a couple times over the past couple days where I have 10 minutes.

57:36But I'm wearing sunglasses, so you can't tell.

57:38Chris Hewitt:See, I'm worried, Johnny, if we make you squirt a few. I'm not quite sure which direction it's coming from. You made me squirt a few. Yeah. Be careful. All right. I can pull and shoot. Just give me the word. On a note, Jeff, Johnny, it's been a pleasure. Just sitting here pulling taffy. All right. That was Johnny Knoxville and Jeff Tremaine talking about Jackass Best and Last. And now it is time to dig deep into the films around this week in the multiplexes and indeed on your sofa plexes. It's a reviews section. Supergirl is the biggest film of the week, I would say. Should we start with Supergirl?

58:12Chris Hewitt:Let's do it. And there's only one Superman who can do this. It's Super Amon. Super Warman. I don't know. Amon, talk about this film. I like all of this. Super Warman. Just going to bottle all that up. Who is this? Superwarman. Superwarman! So yes, this is directed by Craig Gillespie and the stars Millie Alcock as Kara Zor-El, a.k.a. Supergirl, a.k.a. Superman's cousin. She is celebrating her 23rd birthday off-world on a planet with a red sun so as to dull her powers and fuel her drunken adventures. But when her dog Crypto is poisoned by Krem, who is played by Matthias Schoenharts. Krem of the Yellow Hills.

58:52That's right. Yes, she has only 72 hours to hunt him down and administer the antidote. And along for this ride is Ruthie, played by Eve Ridley, who wants to hunt down and kill Krem as vengeance because Krem killed her family at the start of this film. Wow, spoiler. It's at the very, very start of the film. So, yeah, I'm mixed positive on this. Let's start with the positive. I think Millie Alcock is great as Kara. she gets really put through the mill in this film but she is convincing and believable at every turn from being just a powerful superhero to grappling with the trauma that she is suffering because of the death of Krypton and leaving her family all of that comes through really well she's also really great as a protector very reluctant protector and friend for Ruthie and their connection is one of the best things about this film as well because Kara is desperately trying to protect Ruthie's innocence once Ruthie wants to hunt down and kill Clem and Carla's like, no, don't kill.

59:54We might come back to that at a later date. I liked seeing David Cornswit as Superman in this film. He's in it more than I thought he was going to be, but I think his appearance... Still not much, to be clear. It's not a team-up movie. It is not. Recalibrate your expectations. But I think his appearance is really additive in this film, and given that we know we're going to see Superman and Supergirl a lot more together in Superman Man of Tomorrow, which is filming now, that bodes very, very well. And what they do with the flashbacks to Krypton in this film, I think are really, really great as well.

1:00:32Just as a visual thing, I think it really, really works. And it's a good thing to have in comparison to a lot of the other visual stuff in this film, because to go to the negatives now, this film visually is unappetizing, to put it mildly. There's a lot of brown in this film. It looks ugly. Autumnal tones, I think we're going to say. Yeah. Yeah. Which was not very nice to look at. I disagree. I think it's going for a kind of Western feel. Yeah, it's definitely doing that. Plus they have some, you know, different colored sunlight. So there's that. Yeah, I did like that. I did like that. The needle drops, I mean, this has drawn a lot of Guardians comparisons from, I think, the first trailer onwards.

1:01:17And the needle drops in the film, I don't think work at all. I think in Guardians, when they had the needle drops, it made narrative sense for the movie because it was a thing with his mother and there was the awesome mixtape. It made sense why we were getting the Earth songs in this big space movie. Having Earth songs and Earth needle drops in a film like this without that narrative thing to tie it together just made the universe feel very swung to me. I think also maybe the songs just aren't as good. Yeah, that's true. I think that's a big problem. That too. The action is okay, but at times it's a bit too chaotic.

1:01:53I'm just a guy who wants to see what's going on. You know, you're not demanding. You just want to be able to make out what's happening on screen. You know what I'm saying? And at times I'm just like, Cameron, can you please just slow down so I can appreciate what is happening?

1:02:06Chris Hewitt:So I can appreciate the mise-en-scene. There are times when it was a little too chaotic for me. I think Krem is a formidable opponent, but he's an underdeveloped villain. and that was a bit disappointing. I like a lot of what Matthias is doing but just in terms of what's his deal and are you going to give us more to sort of hang on to I think they're going to have done a lot better work there. He doesn't really have a motive. He's not really got an end goal. He's just a dick. He's just a dick. That's his whole thing. Yeah. And there was a big build-up for Jason Momoa as Lobo as a character he's long wanted to play.

1:02:44In the trailers for this film I thought it was okay but I'm also like this doesn't feel all that different from what Momoa was doing as Aquaman and watching the full film I still feel that way it's an okay performance but with Lobo for me he was just fine at best oh I totally disagree yeah I must admit I think no actor has kind of almost embodied a comic book character quite as much as Jason Momoa basically just fucking is Lobo and I actually had a lot of fun with that character I just don't know that this was where he belonged like tonally I don't think he fit with this film I think you could extract him from this film and the film would suffer in no way but I actually quite enjoyed him when he was on screen even if it was another film yeah he was a great piece of casting to me but didn't need to be in this film yeah I really loved Alcock as Supergirl as well I think she's absolutely off the charts great in this seeing seeing Kal-El or Clark reminded me how much I adore David Cornswit in that role as well.

1:03:47So the two of them together, I was just like, I was having a great time every time they were on screen. Either of them or together. But a lot of the plotting, I did find a little bit disappointing. I feel like I've, obviously I've read the comic book that this is based on and it is based quite closely on the comic book in some regards. This is Tom King's one, isn't it? Tom King's and Bill Quist Evely's comic book. And it's much, much closer than a lot of the Marvel comics or films have tended to be based on their comics. Like Civil War has very, very little relationship to Civil War, you know.

1:04:20But this is much closer to the comic book that it's based on, which makes it all the more jarring when they've taken out some of the kind of meatier and more interesting things that that comic book did, which was a little bit of a disappointment. Some stuff I can totally understand, but others I thought I really missed some stuff from the comic book. And I think that's a bit of a shame. And I mentioned that just because I think what's there instead, doesn't work particularly well. It would be fine if you changed it and it works better or as well. But when it doesn't work as well, then I think that's what kind of made me notice it.

1:04:54We should probably say what that is, right? Is that the villains in this are essentially space rapists who traffic in teenagers. They are trafficking in women, yeah. And also that just feels a little... Icky. Well, yes, it's icky. Obviously it's icky. But it's also belittling for Supergirl. Like she can only go to fight for women. She can't go to fight for everybody. In the comic book, you know, he's going around committing literal genocide. And I'm not saying I want more genocide in the movies, but it is a more equal opportunities, protective field that she is casting. She is protecting men as well as women and children.

1:05:26And I think it is a little bit belittling of her when she's only really allowed to protect children here. So I was a little disappointed in that. Yeah, I must admit that did not fit at all. but it also it just it gave me the ick in such a big way and it kind of crystallized for me all the problems I had with this because on the one hand I like and they've made quite a meal out of this that it's very much a kind of survival mode revenge story and you know there's no romantic interest for her it's not about that aspect of the character which I think is commendable but I still found this film quite male gaze-y and I think the thing I really like about and I know they didn't do well at the box office the thing I like about Captain Marvel and the Marvels is that you're forefronting female superheroes but it feels very kind of female focus not alienating to male audiences but it feels like it has like female sensibilities at its heart while it's forefronting a woman and I felt that this wasn't that I feel like this is a female fronting film that isn't made for a female audience like it feels very kind of male coded and slightly alienating and I just thought that was a real shame and I thought they had a real opportunity here to do something better with that character and I think they kind of dropped the ball a little bit like I didn't hate the film no no there's a lot of great stuff in here right and there is fun stuff in here But I think, you know, to your point on the action sequences, I feel like the thing with great action sequences, the action sequences should not be about spectacle.

1:06:47They should either move forward the plot or they should move forward the characterization. And I feel like there was none of that in here. There were no, I had no emotional investment in the action sequences here. So it was just CGI things hitting CGI things for extended periods. And honestly, I was gently bored through most of the action sequences. Anytime Billy Olcock is talking or doing, great, I'm on board, it's fun. but all the action stuff just made me so eye-rolly and I was just like please just get to more more interesting things so all in all for me this was just Teemu Guardians of the Galaxy right but with less charm less wit and worse songs so I did hate Superman you may recall I did not hate this I thought it was fine but for me it kind of it's a low three stars and it's wildly inessential but I do also having said that want to see more of Millie Alcock as that character because she is great and because that character has a lot of potential.

1:07:39I just think this film is not what it should have been. One thing I will say that I liked what they did action-wise, though. I think they found a good balance of we're going to show Supergirl to be the powerhouse we all know her to be, but we're also going to nerf her in various ways. And I think they got a good balance with that. There's a couple of times when she goes from no powers to superpower and I'm going to destroy everything, which was really cool. I think the first time they did it, especially when she's in space and it goes to yellow sun. That's really, really cool and really smart.

1:08:12And on the whole, I think they've got the balance between those two points, right? Mostly. They do sometimes forget which power she has, but that's okay. Anyway, I think we're in the three-star camp, basically.

1:08:27Chris Hewitt:All right, as indeed is the magazine. We give this one three stars. Three stars then for Craig Gillespie's Supergirl. Next up, those jackasses, Hellspells, they're back. Is this the best for last with best and last? I think, right, so first of all, I laughed a lot. I'm not going to recap the plot. There is no plot, obviously. This is Johnny Knoxville and his buddies, Steve-O, Chris Poncius, Wee Man, Dave England, Danger Aaron, Poopies, God help us. Preston Lacey Rachel Wilson who doesn't really do anything No she does not Jasper Dolphin and Dark Shark and Zach Holmes that's the kind of official cast there's a couple of guests who pop by as well they do A big name cameo in fact Big name cameo but they do really stupid stuff and it's often incredibly funny I don't know that I have laughed more at any film this year it is really really funny however however However, I also would not recommend this to anyone who has recently had a large meal.

1:09:40I would make sure you have a strong stomach because, and I wonder if this is connected to their advancing years and the fact that they maybe don't want to roll down concrete stairs in a cardboard box anymore, which is a thing that you see in this film. But they've maybe replaced some of the crazy physical stunts, some of them, not all, some of them. with gross-out stunts. And obviously, that's always been a theme. That's always been part of the jackass experience.

1:10:09Chris Hewitt:Poo cocktail. Yes. Which is seen again in this film. Which is seen again. In fact, twice. There's two poo cocktails that we see. Poo cocktail supreme. Yes. And then we also see some more poo-related pooing. Yes. Which I don't really need. I feel like we could have been less feces forward and still had a fun viewing experience. Interesting. I think the writing sessions for Toy Story 6 are not going to go well. I'm very feces focused. You're very feces forward, yes. Look, the Freudians can just like have a field day with this one, but we're not going to get into that. But look, it is really funny.

1:10:44And I do, I know you think this is me trying to justify my love of these films, but I genuinely do find them heartwarming in their depiction of male friendship. Like these guys love each other. They support each other. They egg each other on. They also take the mickey out of each other and do horrible things to each other. but in a supportive, caring and loving environment. And I think that's lovely. And I really like their relationships. And there's a couple of scenes of just like Steve-O, Johnny Knoxville and Jeff Tremaine just sitting around kind of, not quite reminiscing about the old days, but like talking about how they plan this stuff and talking about why some of the stunts that they show us in this film were not allowed to go on TV back in the 90s and early 90s when they were originally shot.

1:11:27And that's kind of interesting. And again, the affection and the respect that they have for each other and everything else comes through. But also they are fucking idiots and they're gloriously idiotic. And that stuff is really, really entertaining. So I spent most of the film laughing. I spent most of the film cringing and thinking about covering my eyes or actually covering my eyes. But like, this is a full body workout of a film. Like you will be curling up on yourself and like drawing your knees into your chest and like flapping your hands at the screen to like keep that away from you. While also giggling quite a lot, which is good for the abs.

1:12:08It's good for the abs. So, yes. Yes. So is it funny? 100 % absolutely. Is it gross? 200%. So gross. So horrible at times. But also, I kind of had fun. But I could have done with less of some of that.

1:12:29Chris Hewitt:Okay. It's interesting because this is a, I guess what, 50 % of this is clips from the past? Yeah, that felt high compared to like Jackass Forever. A little bit high. Yeah. But some of them have never been aired. So that was kind of interesting. But it did have the feeling of a clip show sometimes. I don't think it's as good as Jackass Forever. But it did achieve its primary goal of making me laugh and making me uncomfortable, I guess. So, you know, I'm trying to grade on a kind of a curve, I guess, that way. But there's nothing in this quite as audacious as the penis Zilla at the beginning of Jackass Forever.

1:13:05Chris Hewitt:Oh my God. You know? Yeah. So I don't think it's as good as that, but I think that movie is off the fucking track. James, to put it in context, the peniszilla at the beginning of Jackass Forever is Johnny and the gang who are going through a city that is being attacked by what we believe is a Godzilla. And then it turns out it's actually Chris Pontius's penis, which is being puppeteered, painted green. I don't know what Quentin Tarantino's talking about. Cinema isn't dead. This is art. Genuinely, I don't understand you people or what the appeal of this is. It is mystifying to me on every single level.

1:13:42I really think some of the physical stunts would absolutely get a laugh out of you. Are you certain? You've known me a long time. No, I genuinely think that some of the physical stunts would absolutely make you laugh. I don't know how you'd react to some of the scatological stuff. I can't even with this. But my biggest question here is, this isn't even like, this is only what, 30 % new material? Maybe 50? I think 50. who's paying to go and see a fucking clip reel but again like I say some of the other stuff was never broadcast because it was so wildly irresponsible even by the standards of MTV in the 90s I just want you to think about that you know I largely agree with him we were in the same screening and full bodied reaction is right I was I was cringing I was like, no, I was covering my eyes and I saw, I looked at various other people during the screening and everyone was doing the variation of the same thing, watching the utter madness we were all seeing on screen.

1:14:47So if you're getting that kind of reaction out of people, I guess you're doing something. So that was really good. I think for me, some of the most funniest stuff, which I'm sure that will get a laugh out of you, James, were the simplest stuff. like i really liked what there's one gag they do with golfers and a blowhole i was i was i thought that was really really funny yeah um and there's one it's a classic but a a giant hand comes at a great speed and whacks a guy who's not suspecting it that to me like the one that's got like a really good setup and a really good payoff that's when it's really really satisfying to me.

1:15:27And as you've alluded to, the fact that there is a finality to this lends a bit of sweetness as well that comes through with the friendship that we all see from these guys. Yeah, it's sweet.

1:15:37Chris Hewitt:It's bittersweet. You're not going to be blubbing your eyes out. It does have a note of finality to it when they all die at the end. And a hail of bullets. Pretty much, yeah. No, a hail of bullets are so boring for the jackass crew. They go out on a hail of shit. Hail of feces. Hail of feces. I will say that there's a title of this week's episode. I will say that there are some interludes that are quite brief and unsatisfying, including one at the very, very end of the credits, which me and him were both licking each other. I think that's taking the piss out of people who stay behind and watch credits.

1:16:11Yeah, don't stay through the credits. Okay. Or in Supergirl, we should say, as a PSA, because there is no sting. That's true. No mid-credits or post-credits. No. So just go home when it finishes. God knows you'll want to.

1:16:23Chris Hewitt:Oh, come on. He has pivoted so hard from, yeah, I like this film, to then, literally, I didn't hate this film, to you should be glad you'd be able to leave Supergirl. Oh my Lord. Anyway. Three stars. We haven't, I think, got an official review yet for Jackass Best and Last, but I'm going to go 73 stars. Wow. I'm thinking, I think it's a high three. It does what it sets out to do, but it's nowhere near as good as Jackass Forever. Let's put it this way. If you're a Jackass fan, it's a five. if you're not a Jackass fan it's a one don't think there's a number 10 it's still a number two wow oh dearie me alright so there we go anywhere between one to 73 stars for Jackass Best and Last real quick we have a couple of other films to talk about this week Hells Bells?

1:17:14yeah A Private Life is a French mystery film starring Jodie Foster Daniel O'Toole Mathieu Almerich and a whole bunch of other people, directed by Rebecca Zlotowski. My apologies. And it's a really fun film. If I say like a French thriller starring Jodie Foster, you're probably thinking a little bit like...

1:17:34Chris Hewitt:The silence to the larmes. Des agnoges, certainly. But anyway, but yes, it's like you're thinking it might be a little bit heavy, it might be a little bit worthy, it might be a little bit dark. It's actually really fun. So she plays a psychiatrist. One of her patients dies and she just becomes suspicious that something is going on and teams up with her ex-husband, who's the Daniel Latoy character, to kind of investigate. And they're just quite bickering and a little bit silly and they are trying to do a murder investigation but they don't know what they're doing and they're wildly unqualified for it.

1:18:10And I had a ball, actually. I thought this was great.

1:18:12Chris Hewitt:What's French for murder? Meurtre, I think. Meurtre, meurtre. It's been a little while. Okay. So we should say that Jodie Foster is speaking la Française. Elle parle français très bien. She has been hitting their shit out of Duolingo for the last six months. I mean, she went to a French-speaking school. They have Duolingo in France, Helen. Yeah. I know. Don't be xenophobic. I didn't say they didn't. That little chouette didn't ever hit it. It is not what I thought it would be at all. Yeah, right. It's kind of fun. It's a bit mad. Yeah, and it's extraordinarily French. And they are great together.

1:18:52They are. Jodie Foster and John La Torre are fantastic. He's my favorite French actor. I just love him. If you've ever seen Laurent Margot, he's the man. But he's so great. L 'homme. He's l 'homme. C 'est ça.

1:19:05Chris Hewitt:James, as someone who speaks the French very fluently, did Jodie pass muster? Yes. Oui. Or as they say over there, pass le muster. Mais oui. She does speak with an American accent in the film. What? And lapses into English occasionally, especially when she's annoyed. There's bits of English. Yeah. But yes, it's an unexpected, I shall say, treat. Fantastic. What would you give it? I think it's a four star for me. I think we gave it three. We gave it three. I would probably more three, but I had a good time with it. It was a high three. Helen would go quatre et trois. She would. Etoile? Etoile. Etoile.

1:19:39Etoile.

1:19:40Chris Hewitt:Poor. En vie privée. Yes, there we go. Fantastic. Excellent stuff. Looking forward to it. to that and Jimbo very very quickly 500 miles which is not a Proclaimers biopic which is very disappointing because yes that is 100 % what I thought it would be it is instead a road movie from Morgan Matthews and this sees Roman Griffin Davis as Finn and he's a boy like a 14 year old boy who runs away with his younger brother Charlie played by Dexter Sol Ansel aka Egg from A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and they flee their unnamed parents played by Claire Dunn and Michael Sokka and begin this sort of epic journey from Sheffield to their granddad's home in Dingle.

1:20:22Sheffield. In Ireland. And their granddad here is played by an extremely top of the morning, Bill Nighy. Bill Nighy to you, actually. There are buses, there are ferries. It's basically the Odyssey, only with more stag do's and a busker instead of a cyclops. Play here by Maisie Williams. They would walk 500 miles. They would walk 500 more just to be the boys. Walk a thousand miles to fall down at Bill Nighy's door. See, that's essentially... Yes, James, but what's the film like? All right, fine. So it's kind of intercut with flashbacks, the kind of happy summers that they spend in Dingle with their granddad, which eventually sort of reveals a lot of why Finn is struggling so much.

1:20:59And the ending is, I would suggest, maybe not quite what you think it will be. Is it a little laboured at times? Yes. Is it quite mawkish as well? Also, yes. But it does kind of get you as well. I think you'll have a tear in your eye by the end of this. I certainly did. It's actually quite sweet. I think Davis is really great as this kind of teenage boy wrestling with trauma and guilt it is very likely that you will want to throw Dexter Sol Ansel off a ferry at one point during this film but he also kind of sells Charlie quite well as this sort of very irritating little brother but whose health issues have caused Finn to be overlooked by his parents and their brothers are actually very close so it's not groundbreaking not I would say essential but there's some great performances and it's actually it's you know it's very moving I thought yes

1:21:42Chris Hewitt:I also thought it was really strangely subdued and a bit muted and then by the numbers and then right at the end it floored me with an emotional kicker that absolutely reduced me to a sobbing mess I don't know maybe it was specifically made for me reasons I'm not going to go into but it's yeah it was an unexpected emotional devastation certainly takes you by surprise in the third act I would say yes yes very much so so again I don't think we have an official Empire review so you would say what Jimbo 3 I'd say 3 3 yeah but with a really cracking ending and Maisie Williams by the way is on this week's episode of the interviews I spoke to her about this movie she gets to busk I was going to say does she bust out the ukulele during your interview she did not but she did she did rule out the old Irish accent she does an Irish accent in this which I thought passed muster I thought it was very good so well done to Maisie Williams three stars then for 500 miles.

1:22:43Chris Hewitt:On that note, that is it for this week's Empire Podcast. Join us next week for more film-related fun when we'll be joined by... I think it'll be Olivia Wilde and Edward Norton, who are the director, respectively, and stars, because they're both in stars, of The Infight, which is a new comedy by Olivia Wilde in which a couple played by Olivia Wilde and Seth Rogen are given an unusual invitation by their neighbours, played by Penelope Cruz, Fire Away, and Edward Norton. So that's exciting. But anyway, until then, until we meet again, until that auspicious occasion, it is goodbye from my three colleagues of such lethal cunning.

1:23:30Chris Hewitt:But first, our work experience, guest of honour, I would say, Juliet. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Did you enjoy it? I did. Okay. Very, very fun. Very interesting. I just wish I'd seen the film. Yeah. None of us have. I often have that problem. And it is goodbye from my three colleagues of such lethal cunning. Goodbye, Amon Warman. Peace. Goodbye, James Dyer. Subscribe to the Pilot TV podcast. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. Can't fucking cut that. Can I confirm that I pull the string before that? And somebody has poisoned the podcast. There's a pilot in my boot. You're my least favorite deputy.

1:24:23Chris Hewitt:And it's goodbye from Helen O 'Hara. Toodaloo. It's goodbye from me as well. I'm off to co-write with Helen O 'Hara, Toy Story 6, The Revenge of Sid. Revenge of the Sid. Oh my God, this thing is right in itself. It better because we can't do it. No, we can't. We can't. I've just added a scene in which there's lots of grunting, tugging, and bending of wood. Or should I say bending of woody? Oh, no. Uh-oh. Dun, dun, dun. Thanks for listening. See you next time. Bye-bye.