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25:31Let's not forget that after the final was set, Frank said that Spain would win by four goals to nil. Do you stand by that? I do. I do for the reason that I think the reality of the World Cup has to come out for Argentina. They've been very much in the margin to get out for so many games. So because of their talents, everybody's talents, of course Messi, But the fact that you had the fighting spirit, they never gave up, allowed them to carry on for so many times by craziness. But it's against Spain. And Spain is going to be not as naive compared to other teams. And as we talked about, as long as Spain doesn't score, if Spain scored the first goal, it can be absolutely dramatic for Argentina.

26:19Because they're going to try to get back. they're going to open up and I'm afraid that Spain's going to score on a second one and maybe a third one. It can be, as I see it as the Champions League final between Paris Saint-Germain and Inter Milan. Really? Yeah, that's, you have two very good teams. But Inter didn't have a Messi? No, for sure, for sure, that's a good, that's a good point. But I see Spain being too strong compared to anybody else. And Argentina got through every time, and Santi also can witness that, by really, again, a small margin. And like a miracle, because of that fantastic genius that Messi is.

26:59And some others as well doing great. But for me, it's not enough to win against Spain. Spain, you have to be realistic about Spain. They're incredible. They're fantastic. But don't forget, everybody was talking about France. Who can beat them? Who's going to beat them in this tournament? And all of a sudden, they had a bad day against a very good Spanish time. Yeah, because of Spain. But that performance apart, Spain, as you rightly said, were decent, but not setting the place alight. So they've had one really, really good game at a perfect time against France. They haven't been brilliant all tournament.

27:40They've defended really well. Obviously, one goal. But Argentina had a very good game. When? Argentina, I've had moments. Argentina have had the most guts and determination and resilience in this tournament. And Lionel Messi and one or two others. Argentina, I don't think, will be frightened of the fact that they're not going to have a lot of the ball. And they're just going to wait for moments in the game that Spain cough a pass up or they can win the ball back. And that counter-attack makes something happen. or keep the game tight, as Santi said, for 60 minutes, 70 minutes, and then hope to spend a little time.

28:20If you let Argentina play, Argentina plays very well because it has a lot of very, very good midfielders as well. It's not only Messi, because we are used to talk about Messi, and that's fair because he's the best player in the world. But his teammates are quite good, and some of them are not midfielders, but they have the soul of a midfielder. Like Julián, for example, he comes back and he plays as a midfielder. and the players on the flanks. They are more centre midfielders too. If they're so great, why haven't they played well so far? I don't think you cannot play well. They have played well.

28:53I don't agree with your statement. We feel a bit of bitterness in the question. The brilliant part of the Argentinian side is also that every time they go down a goal or they're getting kind of in a difficult situation, they always have an incredible reaction of stepping it up to levels. So sometimes it really feels like they're waiting for that. They're waiting for the second part of the game. And now we bring it up another level. And then if you need it, another level as well. Yeah, but you're going against Spain. That's my concern. It happens every other game, but that's Spain. The thing is, and I understand, is that Spain, if they score, they are not going to retreat.

29:32They are going to stay with their line and keep playing. But they have to be perfect, Spain. Because they weren't perfect in the first game they drew. They were quite in sippers, weren't they? They were quite boring, actually, and we were worried about them. Against Belgium, they weren't fantastic. France, they were great. So I know what Frank means. For Argentina, to step too far, to game too far, this is the one where they really just hit the wall and Spain go and win. But Spain have to be excellent to win tomorrow. They can't drop their level, which they may do, because we've seen them drop a level.

30:01They haven't been outstanding every single game. Otherwise, they would have been favours playing France. You have another scenario. What if Argentina scores? Go first, yeah. A lot of speculation that maybe some would like to see Argentina win, not only Argentinians. Some questionable officiating we've seen from some throughout this tournament. Laporte was asked about that, say, in recent matches. And we've seen things that really surprised us, actions that were allowed to slide, especially when Argentina, they're a team that they like to leave a mark on their opponent. That sort of thing shouldn't be allowed in football.

30:34It's the referee's job to keep a handle on these things so the situation doesn't get out of hand. If one or two players are allowed to act that way, the match descends into chaos. I think I speak on Barber's thought. Let's hope we're sat here tomorrow. There's nothing about... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost a book. It was almost a book. And I read it... A book of accessories. But why... What is... That was Laporte, right? Yes. I mean, come on. You play any top side, you're going to expect physicality. Right. The suggestion is that FIFA have treated Argentina leniently compared to others. Bias narrative.

31:13Bias narrative. I think you could argue about Messi got lucky in match day one not to be sent off. Yes, that's true. You could debate the Egypt goal. You could debate the Egypt goal. That's subjective. There certainly wasn't anything to note in the England game, which was good because we were talking about a great comeback. But you play any South American side, any South American side, look at it's going to be physical and they're going to try and get in your head you have to accept that exactly look when you play Atletico Madrid you know you're going to get a different type of game than you play Barcelona you can't be worried about that it's just putting something in the referee's mind that's what he's trying to do but we all know it's nonsense it's part of the game ok as long as there isn't a foul I mean they were counting the foul against England there were 35 fouls the ref didn't say anything you have the loss of the game exactly Jürgen how do you prepare for it when you have players saying those sort of things?

32:07Oh, no, they notice that, but it's no big deal. Right. No big deal. I mean, obviously, the Argentinian team is known that they're right off and on the edge. You know, they live that in South America. When you look at the South American qualifiers, it sometimes looks like war. You know, when you really play in Colombia. Copa America is war. The Copa America games. It's insane. So you bring that culture into a World Cup. and then you still get right on the edge. Like Simeone, in the beginning of the first 20 minutes against England, he was right on the edge. He didn't get a yellow. He did five, six fouls.

32:44He should have gotten a yellow at least after the third foul. But he knew also where to step back then. But isn't that the beautiful thing about the World Cup, that all these cultures come together? Absolutely. Yes. There's no better team prepared like Spain. Which is refreshing because we are going to a worldwide football where everybody plays the same. And we used to see England playing differently than Germany, than France, than, of course, South American. And to see South American teams coming with their culture and the differences, it's up to the referee to adjust. But that's it. But otherwise, yeah, the commit ball is a war, that's for sure.

33:18And we have seen that. But that's good for the World Cup because we want to see different football. You go back to, what, 90 final? How do you prepare for those sort of things when you know it's going to be a war on the pitch, Jürgen? I know. you just talk to them. They are aware of it. They show them the examples throughout the tournament. Right. And they just tell the players, keep your cool. You know, that's all you can do. And they know it's the game of their lives. They are, you know, anxious themselves. And game day, you leave them alone because it's just game day. Just, you know, give me that moment now.

33:49And then you're just outside. France against Paraguay, DJ Deschamps took to the players. You know what you can expect from the Paraguay players. They're going to trick. They're going to try to make you getting booked. And so keep your coolness and make sure you work with your football. That's part of the game. But it's easier said than done. Yes, yes. And maybe in that game against Paraguay, that was the moment when Ulisse kind of moved. Oh, yeah, he could have been ripped. And that's why we didn't see the same Ulisse anymore in the tournament. Yeah, maybe. Because he was just happy to get off the field healthy.

34:22Yeah. Another leveler is, in a sense, would be that a lot of these Argentinian players have experience of a World Cup final win four years ago, which Spain don't. So there's a pressure side of it as well, obviously. How are they going to handle that? Is there the same amount of pressure going into this final as there was four years ago? No, it's different. I think Argentina has the same drive to win the World Cup, but it doesn't have the same pressure to do it. So that's good for Argentina. To have that drive is incredible. It is. We have to say. That's what we were saying off the English. Every World Cup winner usually goes home early.

34:57It's probably going to be Messi's last World Cup, is it? He's not going to play another World Cup at 43. Who's going to say no? I mean, it's up to him. Santi, apparently you have to go with your other friends now on Deportes. What's going to happen in this final? I already told you the last time we were here. I wasn't listening. 1-1, extra time, and Argentina's going to win on penalties. Wow. All right. Thanks, Santi. Thank you. Extra time, Santi. Nice to appreciate it. People getting cramped. People getting cramped. It's awful. So we're going to see you on TV tomorrow on the stands? Oh, yes. Are you going to be behind Infantino?

35:36Yeah, big star. Bye-bye, Santi. Next to Arsene Wenger? Is that going to be you? ESPN FC has a special preview show. Unfortunately, Santi won't be with. Are you going to assume you're going to the final as well? Yeah. It'll just be the drake. Oh, no. to the Eastern on ESPN2.

35:59After the break, we'll be discussing what Mauricio Pochettino had to say about his future as US men's national team coach.

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37:12Richard Pochettino was asked about his future. He said we are evaluating it, looking at it. They, US soccer, have made me an offer to continue and we will see. Next week, we'll make a decision. He's busy making a decision. Oh, there he is. What's Adam? How do you know that, Tim? Small pool or big feet? How do you know? How do you know that? Jürgen, you love these questions. Well, they made him an offer. They did make him an offer. If you were Pochettino, what would you do? I mean, to continue, absolutely. If they made him an offer. Yeah, he says they made him an offer. Because it's a team that can grow still, can get better.

37:51I mean, obviously, our coach at the end of the day is measured by the fact, you know, how many of his players really improved over the time being of his tenure. And then you talk, obviously, the names like Pulisic and McKinney and Tyler Adams and all these guys. But if he had the opportunity to continue the growth of those players, then absolutely he should continue. Is there not part of you professionally thinking, it's really four years until I'm going to be tested once again as a coach? Well, you have the Gold Cup here as well. You might play the Copa America with South America together. They're a fantastic tournament, obviously.

38:26I mean, it's a privilege to have the opportunity to coach the AOS. Yeah, it will give him the time to grow and to experience the players and to make sure. I remember Emé Jacquet in 90 and 94 when France didn't qualify. He stepped up and took the team over and he had four years to build that team. And that's a big chance, I think. What finds Zinedine Zidane behind the back of the coach? What are they growing? France? No, not France. What are they waiting for? Whether Mauricio wants to get a managerial job back in the UK or back in Europe, that's all they're waiting for. That's what he's waiting for.

39:07The only way he says yes, if he doesn't think what's out there is... Because if he was happy, he'd surely just say yes, wouldn't he? Surely, yeah. If he's got a better offer in terms of club football, he'd probably take that, I would imagine. Yeah, you would think so. I mean... How big a loss would that be for the US? The US did well, didn't they, in this tournament? As an outsider, I didn't expect them to beat Belgium. I did. Oh, did you? I thought people were galvanised behind them. The three nations, Mexico, Canada and USA, all did well to a certain point. There was a lot of interest. There was a big feel-good factor.

39:40But they all lost at the right time. Canada didn't deserve to win. Mexico lost to England. They lost to Belgium that I didn't expect them to. I thought they were good enough to beat this Belgium side. Yeah. But they really didn't perform under that pressure. And I don't think the balloting situation just was a mess. It was just a mess. It was a bit of a distraction all around. And certainly lit some more fires in the Belgian team. and Rudy Garcia made some big calls, didn't he? Yes. De Bruyne out, Lukaku out, which wasn't a surprise. And he got his tactics absolutely spot on. He put a little bit more physicality and more legs in there because he knew the US were fit and athletic.

40:20And they first and foremost matched him in that scenario and then ultimately outplayed them. So I kind of thought the US could get to the quarter finale. I mean, you look at Jürgen's group in, what was it, 2014, you look at the teams they beat, and then when you look at it in a bigger picture, Paraguay, they had a really bad day, although they were strong in qualifying, in South American qualifying. Australia are extremely average. Extremely average. The Turkey game was done and dusted because they were through. and this Bosnia team are absolutely bang average. So they had a decent tournament and got a lot of the fans behind them, but they never beat anybody not worthy at the tournament.

41:10Yeah, my problem is, it seems to be that every time we talk about a team, we try to see what they have done and what they beat and there is no team that has been good. We say Spain didn't play well, France didn't have to play against big teams, Argentina didn't do well, But at the end of the day, yeah, I'm with you. We didn't expect, you know, Spain to win the World Cup or to be in the semi-final. I think they did well. And to answer to you... I think we did... U.S. U.S. U.S. He means the U.S. The U.S., what did I say? Spain, you said. Spain, sorry. The U.S., I think they did what they had to do.

41:41And to answer to your question, I think Bochettino leaving the national team will push them to start almost, not almost from scratch, but a little bit, you know. There is no continuity. And that's the worst for football. There's no way he's going to be the coach. Is he well liked? Four years' time. No way. OK, OK, OK. Listen, you live in America. You know more about American... I'm not really. Not sure. Well, you do live in America, don't you? Yeah, I'm not sure if I know anything. Not really. No, but I'm saying, what's his relationship like with the players? Has he well liked Pochettino? Does he get on well with the players?

42:10Why wouldn't he carry on? Because he wants a club team. OK, OK. That's what I would suggest. There we go. I'll just take over. Extra time is available where I'll be answering all your questions. Be sure to check that out over on our YouTube channel.

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43:35Cucurella had this to say, if he wins the World Cup, I will get a tattoo of De La Fuente's face on my body and I will announce my retirement from international football. World Cup Euros, what else can you do? Speaking of tattoos, do you remember when Craig had this done when he said Fernando Torres wouldn't score a hat trick? This was a long time ago, Craig. Back in the day. It's rubbed off these days, isn't it? Or have you still got it? You did it? Don't be stupid. Look at that. Don't be stupid. That was a fake one. It was a joke. You know what? There's enough mugs out there and it seems you're one of them that believed it.

44:10Have you ever met anyone with a tattoo of you? Jürgen? Has anyone got a tattoo? Jürgen Klinsmann tattoo? I have. I have, yeah. Yeah, someone's got it of you? Yeah, I've got a picture of it as well. Really? Oh, I thought you'd won a Jürgen. Yes. Somebody's got one of you. I've got one of Jürgen on my way. Liverpool fan, I see. I don't know whether he was a Liverpool fan. Yes, I think he was a Liverpool fan. Frank? I'm sorry, but I only have my name on the bottom of somebody. He put his best 11 on his bottom. On his bottom? Yeah, and I'm so happy I was playing on the flanks.

44:41Which flank? You should have been on the right or the left. You should have been on the opposite flank. On the right flank. It's a bit of a statement from Kukarell, isn't it? Yeah, but where does he do the tattoo? Is that a joke, is it? Yeah, of course it is. No, I don't mean the tattoo of his face. Is he going to retire? He won't retire anyway. He's young enough, isn't he? So, night before the World Cup final, how was it, Jürgen, back in 1990? How are you feeling? I think every player is super nervous. Yeah. Anxious. I can't wait until it gets going. I mean, we were very lucky now with Germany.

45:17I had Franz Peckenbauer as my manager and I always just kind of thought, you know, this guy did it all. He won it all. So why am I so nervous? Did you have many rules in the team at the time or were you just left to prepare? Yeah, you were left to yourself. That's good, yeah. You didn't have, obviously, mobile phones, so it was a lot easier to kind of... Yeah, I mean, that's certainly something that the players need to balance then. The calls that are coming in, the text messages are coming in. I hope they manage that. You know, we were lucky in our days that this was not a lot of disturbance.

45:51Frank? Well, that was, of course, a nervous day for me and the French team because that was the first final that we played ever. And it was at home. It was against Brazil. So that was, we had the big picture. And you want to do well for your country for the first time. You don't want to lose. It's impossible to lose that game. And you know it is the game of your life. and you want it to be remembered. So you don't want to play the game before and you just hope it's going to be good. It's good that Emé Jacquet put us into training in the morning. We touched the ball and that was great. But the day is super long.

46:33It's super long. And when you go into the stadium, it was like 45 minutes away and we were in the freeway and there were so many fans in the freeway. and we took like an hour and an hour and a half to go. So what time was the game then? 9 o 'clock again? 9 o 'clock. And even Mijaki got nervous because he said, we're going to be late for the game because there were people everywhere and when you arrive at the stadium, I saw the people, the flags and everything. I took my heart pulse and I was at 180. Right. And I say, yeah, I say, oh wow, I have to calm down because that's not going to work like that.

47:10And it's crazy. as soon as I got into the dressing room that was over. Can you remember back then when, like, were you aware that Ronaldo wasn't on the team sheet? Yeah, we did. And then he got put back on the team sheet. Did you know there was a lot going on? Yeah, we knew that. We were told around half day, around noon, and we didn't care because you had Rivaldo, you had Bebeto, you had so many others. Of course, that was Ronaldo. But we felt so strong. We were happy to have Brazil and not the Netherlands. Yeah, yeah. Because I think the Netherlands would have been another story. They were absolutely fantastic.

47:45And we thought it would be easier against Brazil because we knew that in the middle of the park they were struggling a little bit. They were great in a forward line. But, yeah, it didn't change. But, again, to go back to the dressing room, it was like we have none in our lives. When we were young, you know, you get undressed, you get your stuff. Is it because you had, like, a routine? Yeah, it's a routine. It's our life. Did you feel extra pressure? Because you were coming in for Laurent Blanc. And there was even more eyes on you coming in for Laurent Blanc. For three days, it was only how can we play, how can we win without Laurent Blanc?

48:22So you feel like very much useless. And I remember saying to my ex-wife, we were playing for Chelsea at the time, and I say, if we lose, it's going to be all on me. So we don't go back to France. I felt it. I felt it. And I knew the responsibility that I had. And I talked to Bichantel Lizarazu like three days ago, talking about the defeat of France and how hard it is to win and to get all the way. And I said, can you imagine how strong we were all together? And he said, well, you had a great final. I said, I had a great final because on my side, I had great people, great players. So I felt confident.

48:59I felt safe when I came in because he had Dussay on the side, Lizarra on the side, Deschamps and Petit, Barthes on the back, Turam on the right side. That was huge. We had the best team in the world at that time. But again, it's only about details. And we did well everywhere. And it's why we won. Was it similar with your nerves, Jürgen? Like once you got into the dressing room, got into that routine, you could kind of, they dissipated a bit. Yeah, and then you go and reflect, you know, who are your teammates? Where are they in this moment in time? And we had the feeling in 1990 that we are the best team in this tournament.

49:35We did well. We kind of got stronger and stronger every game. The key moment was England. It could have gone both ways in the semifinals, penalty shootouts. But when we then matched Argentina, we felt like we are the better team. We're going to get this done. Less than 24 hours to go then until the World Cup final. I think everyone's got a horse in this race. Will it be the European champions or the winners of the South American... What's the tournament called? Cup of America. The reigning world champions as well. That's easier. World champion. We'll redo that.

50:19Welcome to the next edition of Extra Time. Craig is here, as is Jürgen, as is Frank, as is Conor Gallagher, Which somebody called back and we were at dinner. I was happy with that. I know. How bad is this guy's eyesight? Excuse me, are you Connor Gallagher? No, definitely not. Jürgen, are we going to the final tomorrow? Yes, I will be at the final. What are you expecting from him? We didn't get a prediction from you during the show. A prediction, yeah. Who do you want to win? Football. Oh, you're even better. Come on. Come on. No. I mean, I think looking at the entire tournament, I feel like it's Spain's moment.

50:53Yeah. Yeah, I think they were impressed, especially against your lot. Yeah, well, yeah, they were perfect. And you know when you say during the show that I see 4-0, I don't want to see that in a way that I want a very... A good game. A good game, difficult and everything. But I'm afraid that's going to be the scenario where, except as Santi said during the show, Argentina scored the first. But if Spain scored the first, it can be dramatic for the Argentinians. How do you stop Messi? Unstoppable. Good. Very good answer. You do not stop him. If you're spanking, given how good you are against France, do you change anything to accommodate with the fact that he's on the pitch?

51:37Oh, I mean, I look at it a bit like our World Cup final in 90 was all about Diego Armando Maradona. And we decided, or coach, my friends back in, we decided main marking. We had Guido Buchwald on him for 90 minutes. He said, if he goes to the bathroom, we go to the bathroom. And that's what he did. And Diego came after the game, obviously we won 1-0. Diego had very few moments in the game and he gave him a hug and he told him, Well done. You kind of, well done. You got me. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know where to go. He played a brilliant game without fouls. And yeah, his nickname became Diego Buchwald.

52:14I think it's only fair I mean you cannot let somebody like Messi having free will and doing what he wants that's impossible so you have to sacrifice a player they're not going to yeah but nobody went for that it's a mistake Spain won't do that nobody has in the tournament so far I think it's because he's 39 and you're almost like he's 39 he's not and he walks around of course he does we saw that in the last action against England 39 Whatever area he goes in, there'll be somebody there. If he goes to the right, it's Cucurea's problem. If he says centrally, it's Rodri, it's Abbey and the Leaf. Yeah, but that's what everybody thought during the tournament.

52:52Spain are not going to man-mark Messi, are they? No, of course not, but that might be a mistake. That man-marking player that Jürgen... You said they're going to win 4-0. You're contradicting yourself. He's not around anymore, Jürgen. We're going to wait and see. The man-marking player isn't around anymore. If you put somebody on... When Lionel Messi was in his late 20s, 10 years ago, well, he still is flying. If you'd have put somebody on him, they'd have been sent off. Because that player doesn't exist that has got... Yeah, the mentality. The mentality and the mindset how to do a man marking job, but not give a free kick away every two minutes.

53:30Right. You know what I realised? At 98, when I played the final, they were marking me. Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Bebet they were coming to me because I thought I was the weakness Oh, I don't know that guy we're going to go on here Macra, are you still sour on the third place playoff? Yeah, of course, I hate it, I think it's a waste of time Why? We won today we were brilliant The thing is do we remember the third and the fourth to all World Cups? No, nobody Jürgen does. Jürgen, because he played, he was a coach of it. But I don't, I do know the France played the fourth and the third and the fourth in 82 and 86.

54:16Because we last started in Germany. 82. We don't, that was, that was my team. Well, all my idols, I don't remember if they finished third or fourth. Bossis. The thing, the thing is, is that you can see the both teams today. Well done. The both teams today didn't care about the third, fourth place playoff. They played as if they couldn't be bothered because it was so full of, you know. It was fun, though. It could have been a lot worse. It was a really good game. I'm not saying that. I've just got no interest. That's an entertaining game. That's not a good game. No interest. That wasn't a good game.

54:46That was an entertaining game. That's not a good game. It was a better game than we thought. No, that's not a good game. When you concede six goals in your friends, that's a crap game. Really, that's not a good game. That's good for the entertaining and for people who want to enjoy the football. But as a defender, that's an awful game. And when you're a coach, that's awful. And for the last game of Didier Deschamps, I think he's not deserved. OK, so are you still sour on the third place, Frank? Are you still sour? No, I'm not. Frank, he's just angry. No, no, well, yeah. Frank, where does Zizou begin with his team?

55:20Leaning towards stars and moments or taking the De La Fuente approach of stability and structure first? You cannot deny that you have to use the talent that you have and therefore you are forced to play a certain way. And we saw that with Deschamps, that maybe he would have rather played with only three players out front, but he had no choices but putting the four because they were six unbelievable forward players. And I don't even include Marteta, we had a great season this season. So it's hard. You have to compose with the players that you have. I think it's due to the coach to give an idea of what he wants, but it's not a club team.

55:57it's a selection so it's different you have to adapt where do you think in what position do they need to improve when you looked at that with the World Cup do you think they need better left backs do you think they need better centre defenders definitely on the flanks the full backs have to be found have to be found and we don't have Koundé wasn't good enough Malogusto not good enough today on the other side Jean and the brothers they weren't good enough so we have we have question marks there but also in the middle of the park. Okay. Because I think... Chiuamani, Kone... Tramini, Mbrio... Kone had a very good World Cup.

56:34We were unexpected to play first, but we had a great one. But Tramini had what he was capable of doing with Real Madrid, and for me, it wasn't enough. So they have to restrain those parts. And we have to say to the four at front, we are expecting a lot from you. And you failed against England... Against Spain, sorry. against Spain in that manner because you are exceptional but you have to be exceptional every game. Jürgen, this is on Frank's point. From a manager's perspective, was the England-France a fun watch or do you lament the lack of structure and defence? Yeah, you definitely are disappointed with defensive mistakes but it's an overall team composure.

57:23I mean, both teams were maybe running at 70, 80 percent and kept too many spaces open and just invitation and invitation for chances and chances. It drives you nuts as a manager because you want them to have a good structure. You want them to finish off professionally. And Frank is right from a defensive point of view. It is a horror show for a coach, you know, if you concede four or even six goals. but these games are really questionable because after these dramatic losses in the semifinals you're not getting your act together anymore you just want to go home I really admire Mpapé you know at two more and and most likely becoming top scorer of the tournament he was driven a couple of other ones were driven but I would not be mad at anything about Mike Mania today six goals conceded.

58:17So happy. I know. So happy. It must be awful for a goalkeeper. And their son comes on four goals. You go back home and you say wow I'm so useless. So that's the thing is Mignon letting six and he made all kinds of saves as well. He made good saves but as you said imagine you walking off as a goalkeeper and you've let in six. Both goalkeepers don't qualify for goalkeeper of the tournament. No. One game. We were talking about it like that. Who will? It'll probably be Unai Simon. Whoever wins tomorrow. whoever wins the goalkeeper

58:56speaking of awards Macca if Spain win the final should Arasabal or Rodri be awarded player of the tournament or will it go to Messi regardless of who wins I'll give it to Messi why do you have to give in our sports nowadays something individual it's all about individual awards Who decides on the play of the tournament? I don't know. Normally, it's quite early in the second half as well, isn't it? I don't think he has the ball again. No. It'll be messy. Yeah, messy. You know what I liked about that? Oh, Rodri. Rodri could get it. I thought he was excellent in the semi. There's not a lot of energy for this award.

59:32No. You know what De La Fontaine said? It's absolutely fantastic what he said. You see, France was the best player against the best team. And that's what I liked about it, that saying that you have to be a team. And we talked about that. We laugh about that. We keep on saying it's a collective sport. But you can have the best players. If you don't have the best team, you're not going to achieve anything. And it's what happened with France and Spain, where France had the best player, but Spain has the best team. And that's very important. Someone like Aymeric Laporte, he's been excellent. But of course, you're never going to give it to a defender because defenders...

1:00:14And why? No, I know. And why? No, I completely agree. You know, Laporte's back in Spain now, but he's been playing in Saudi Arabia. He's coming to the seam. They've conceded one goal. He's been excellent. Hasn't put a foot wrong. But, you know, he would never be up for an award like that when Messi scored eight or, you know. Or either, instead of calling them best player, he's called them MVPs. These trophies are ridiculous, aren't they? There's not one player thinking about that tonight. No. And nobody cares. Well, they're only thinking about winning the tournament. Final question, Jürgen. Apart from Maradona, who would you say was the best player you've ever faced on a football pitch?

1:00:48Rude Hullet, Roberto Baggio or Marco van Basten? Were you pointing at yourself? Of course he was pointing at himself. We played against each other when he was in Monaco. I loved him. I am? I loved him. I'm sure the feeling was mutual. It was great. Well, I don't care. No, he didn't like me. He didn't like me. I was a defender. Again, a question for somebody else. Frank, who's the best player you've ever played? I love you, Jürgen. It was a great pleasure and great honour to play against you. Right, that's got nothing to do with the question. Shut up. I don't want to say what I want. I have free will.

1:01:16I have a mic or whatever. Don't you know he's a saying now in France? I can sing a song if I want to, you know. Back to the Mavs singer. Getting back to these three names, obviously, same position, Marco van Basten in those times, late 80s, early 90s, was the best striker in the world. Perfect. All right, would you like to add anything to that? Who's the best player you ever played with, Frank? Myself in my dreams. Maxime McMahon, man. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Craig Burley. Craig Burley as a teammate. Great. Great, great. Perfect. And that is it. ESPN FC back tomorrow. Let Frank say goodbye, not you.

1:01:51Yeah, you cannot say goodbye. Goodbye to everyone. Enjoy the final and enjoy Unel Messi. We'll have a show tomorrow. We'll be here tomorrow. We'll have a show tomorrow. We'll have a show tomorrow. 2 p.m. Don't forget. I wasn't aware of that. You have been a bit diva about that. But whatever. See you tomorrow at 2 p.m. Eastern Time. Beautiful.

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