Argentina Stay Alive in Atlanta

27:48It's why they lost that game. I have to say, that was an awful performance. And I maybe got a little bit carried away with somebody's sentiment around the U.S. and their performances in this workup, starting with their very first game against Paraguay. but outside of Malik Tillman I'm not sure that a single other player turned up for the US not what we've seen in the tournament before not maybe what we've come to expect of them as this tournament has gone on and then as you look back on their games in the tournament thus far the Turkey game aside where they made holes and changes everybody, Paraguay, Australia Bosnia-Herzegovina were all very defensive in their setup, hoping to turn the counterattack, and the US got the best of it.

28:38The first team that they come up against, and I stand by my initial feelings around this Belgium team, this is not a great Belgium side. But the first team that played on the front foot, that dared to attack them, that dared to give them something to think about, Rudy Garcia makes a couple of changes, and now nobody knows what to do. and nobody steps up to their task. I am a big believer in Tyler Adams in midfield. Did not show up. We can talk about Christian Pulisic and his form or his injury. His value to this U.S. team did not show up. And we can do that or we can talk about Chris Richards and his performances with Crystal Palace and how important he is.

29:27Did not show up. And we can go all the way through the entire team outside of Malik Tillman. For the first time, somebody just kind of steps up, holds their ground, decides to play attacking football. And nobody knows how to cope with it. Isn't this just where the US are? Round of 16 is about right? Yeah, I think, you know, if they made it to the quarterfinals, that's the eight big teams in the world. I don't think they're amongst that. They could have done it, of course. And I think the boys are completely right in how they just missed this opportunity. Maybe there was a bit of nerves. Maybe the pressure got to them.

29:59I think the Balogun saga was a distraction for them and almost took their eyes away from the game plan and the tactics. After that, I'm not a fan of Rudy Garcia as a head coach for Belgium, but his plan was perfect. But his plan was easy because this US team has been very predictable in everything they did so far. You know the patterns of play. You know they put the ball wide. You know how they press when they don't have the ball. And for Belgium, it was very easy to cancel the way they attacked and then move the ball well enough to get into the box and then they gifted them two goals out of the three.

30:30And for Belgium, they didn't have to play that well. But the good call from Garcia was to drop De Bruyne, Lukaku, who were not fit anyway, and Doku, who probably would not have worked as hard defensively as Luka Baku did. And after that, it was an easy game for them. The easiest they had in this tournament. What's interesting, Shaq, and we all had kids that played. At town level, they're amazing, the best team. Then they go to travel and things get a bit harder, but still they impress. and then you go state or you play a team for another state and it's a completely different world. What I thought was interesting, it was a little bit, I don't know, almost childlike, is when that third goal went in, it was the 59th minute.

31:07Yeah. Everyone down, it was over. Yeah. It was crazy. You've got Christian Pulisic, your main man, on the bench crying. Yeah. You've still got half an hour of this game. I know it's all gone wrong. Everything has gone wrong so far. But we've seen comebacks in this tournament already. We've seen massive turnarounds, yet this just seems to be completely and utterly out of the question. I don't get that either. I really don't. To your point, Dan, yes, you've got an example today, in the earlier game today, of a team being down and all but out, but just refused to lay down. But look what Belgium did to Senegal.

31:45Exactly. We can go through every stage of this tournament and there are those examples. I, I, I, and even so, and speaking yesterday, I was saying that more games have been decided in the last 10 minutes of the 90 minutes in this tournament than in the lead up 80 minutes. How you down tools at that point is simply beyond me. Christian Pulisic, I guess maybe the argument, if not excuses, he's injured, a little bit disappointed, and that's why he was crying. But again, optics of it all. Listen, not to use Ronaldo as an example here, but think of Portugal's Euro win back in 2016 or whatever it was.

32:31He gets injured. He is on the sidelines in a way that I never would have expected him from. He was the coach. Exactly, from Cristiano Ronaldo. But that's what it means to be a team player in a tournament. that whatever is going on anywhere else, this comes first and you do not lay down tools until the referee blows the whistle. It was bemusing on so many levels. I think it's a question of mentality and belief on what you can achieve. It doesn't really matter if you're not supposedly the best team on the field, but it's been proven many, many times that because you are more hungry than the opponent that you play against, that you're capable of doing and surprising anybody.

33:18And I didn't see that. I didn't see the mentality. I didn't see the willingness of getting further in the competition. We didn't see that. We saw nothing. And about what you said about Polisic being injured, I remember, and I'm going to take the example of the World Cup in France, and with Laurent Blanc being suspended, not playing the final. He was on the bench. He was with us. He was giving advices to everybody. I mean, he was included in the game. And that's what makes a difference between a team who wants to win, who wants to achieve something special, and the one who is scared of showing his strength.

33:57Jermaine Jones made a good point earlier, talking about Christian Pulisic. He said, look, it's not his fault he's the poster child for this US team. It's not his fault he's in every commercial that he's got by the backing of Nike. But this is where he is. He's put on that pedestal. and the fact of the matter is you understand it from a US marketing perspective you want to hang your hat on a superstar but he's not a superstar is he? No and I think I'm not even sure if he wants to be one again and that's not his fault but then you can't have everything though so at some point he will have to step up and he's still quite a young team so I still think But can he step up?

34:33This is a guy who couldn't get into the Milan side, he's 27 He had a really good season two seasons ago with Milan and to be fair he was one of Serie A's best player, if not the best player. The consistency here is the problem. And this season that just finished, before the World Cup, he had injuries. It was a Milan team that was not really working with Allegri, that didn't suit his game. I can get that. But he needs now, for this cycle coming, whether Pochettino stays or not, there's another four years now until the next World Cup, obviously, for this US team. If they learn from what happened here, in terms of leadership, in terms of plan B, because I think, again, Pochettino did some good things, but there's a lack of plan B yesterday of like, okay, they're better than us for now.

35:15What do we do to change that momentum and get better than Belgium and try to come back in the game? 2-1 down, 3-1 down. If we made mistakes or not, there was no plan B. They had no clue after the hour mark, like you mentioned, what do we do now? Pulisic is not there. You can't just give him the ball and they just had no idea what to do. So leadership has to be better. Plan B has to be there, even plan C probably. And then those bigger names have to step up because we can say the same about McKinney, certainly on the Belgium game. Yeah, exactly. McKinney, I mean, Team Ream, I don't want to see him again and I don't think we will see him again.

35:47But there's positions where there's issues, sure, but there's players who are better than what they should against Belgium that have to step up. To that point... Sorry, please. To that point, Christian Poulsen is 27 years old. So, you know, we're saying, well, he has to learn from this and now has to step up. Next World Cup rolls around, he's 31 years old. And now, the hope, if not expectation, is that at 31, that kind of position, both on the park and off it, is under some kind of threat from somebody. But now, so we're looking at a team who, as talented as we thought it was, are in the peak of their careers, or you would think.

36:28So to say, well, we learn from this and come back stronger, I just think is, again, a little bit of a soft out. I think he's not a superstar, and none of them are superstars. You know, I don't think any World Cup in another country, you would have seen Beckham so many times in a commercial. Or Zlatan Ibrahimovic, he would see a national team player. And in England, you would have seen so many talented, Rice and some other soccer. But that's what it is, and that's factual. That's a fact, you know. You don't see any international U.S. player in any commercial because they're not strong enough. But he's not world-class, but he's a superstar here.

37:09He's a soccer star. No, he's not a superstar. He's here. He's their best player. So you're the best player in your country. He's your superstar. Okay. No, but he's not world-class. I give you that. But he's your best player, biggest player. It's a shame that, like Xhaka said, he didn't show up yesterday against Belgium like he should have. And you could say the injury maybe in that Paraguay game kind of just slow down his momentum, the momentum that he had after that first half. But he has to be disappointed with his own World Cup, not just us here talking about him. If Christian Pulisic today looks at what happened in the last four weeks or so, he would have to say, you know, I didn't do what I had to do with this team.

37:49But could you just say this is a guy playing on one leg? Because the injuries that he had, obviously he had that injury before the start. That's never a good thing, a good sign, to start a World Cup being injured or just recovering. that's not a good sign because you're not going to play your World Cup 100 % with the confidence that you need. Especially if you get the leadership. So, yeah, that has an effect on this game. Shaq, you've lived in the States longer than any of us. Has anything changed with regards to the standard of play that you've seen in World Cups? Standard of play I've seen in World Cups.

38:26I want to feel that as an XI, this is as good a U.S. team as I've seen on paper, given where each of those players are playing, apply their club trades. I think where things are different or where those previous teams were better, they had something to prove. They all had a chip on their shoulder. Right. In terms of a representation of a sport that's disregarded at home, that their value as players was underrepresented because of where they're from. They had a cause. They were playing for a reason. And you don't get that feeling with this side. They have the recognition that players of previous generations don't have.

39:12They are playing at the clubs that players of previous generations were not able to even get a look in at. and that previous generation had a whole lot more to prove to themselves about their national game. This generation does not seem to have that edge, that reason to be a little bit nasty, that reason to run an extra yard. I agree. I think there's a lack of character in this squad. A hundred percent, I think. And Pochettino has a strong character himself. Whether we like him or not, whether we think he's done a good job or not, he's got that personality. And that's one thing. but you can't really transmit that then on the pitch.

39:52And I think Xhaka is absolutely right. This is, on paper, maybe the best team that they've had. Yet, I think the lack of character and the lack of leadership that was there in previous squads, in previous World Cups, that maybe was not as talented, but yeah, had something different to grind out games and to fight a bit more and things like that. It was not there today. We don't need to go back into structure of football and soccer in the US at grassroots level with the keys that you mentioned. Yeah, play-to-play. A little bit, exactly. and things like that, where I think there's a lot of rebuilding to do in here anyway, for them to produce more talented youngsters than what they've had, and certainly to avoid them having to go to Europe when they're 15, 16, 17, to just have that kind of football education that they maybe don't get here, or certainly maybe open the game to more kids from, you know, poorer backgrounds, for example, or things like that.

40:42So I think there's a lot of work to be done. But with this team, and that's why I'm saying you need to learn from this World Cup, Xhaka, is that for four years' time, there's some things that you can correct without having to go into overload and things like that that can make this team better, even if it would be these generations, this last World Cup. Listen, I think there's a lot wrong with the structure of the sport in terms of getting the best out of the 300 million people population that the U.S. can boast. There is a lot that goes into that. That's longer term. But we're talking about right now, this team right now.

41:2012 months ago, Diego Luna broke his nose and was bloodied in the Gold Cup. And a lot was made of that. Now, I do not think Diego Luna was talented enough to make this squad. But this squad is lacking that type of personality. That type of never-say-die attitude. that has that that aspect of what it takes to be good at this game this u.s team um does not have and sadly again um Diego Luna right no wrongly how we sit right now I I don't think he could have gotten into the squad but they needed they needed people you know they need need to be more English fighting till the end at the Aztec and the world against you but still you hold on how long did it take I gotta go what next about the future of Sir Mauricio Pochettino now is not a moment to talk about that I think now is a moment to see to assess the tournament you know I'm sure in the next weeks we can start to talk if UF Soccer wants to talk I think we set the principles for the future to be very successful I think we'll create something that is going to stay now in the federation and in this, I don't even know what that last sentence means.

42:39What nonsense. What have they created? They've come out at the exact same time as they have. A belief. Pardon? They had a belief. Yes, they always have a belief. Every World Cup, there's a belief. Do not listen to the chant. Four games in, yeah. Four games in, there was a belief about this side and how far they can go. That, you know, again, kind of blew up in their faces. That's the beauty of this country. The optimism that they have and the belief on everything they try is why we, it's an example in the world. But everybody has that optimism. No, no, no. In France, we don't have that optimism.

43:18Every four years, I hear more people singing, it's coming home that I would like to. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. You want to talk about those people. That is my point. That's what you get from a hotel room next time. That's how that happens. Richard Pochettino, back on manager Tinder then. I don't think he ever logged off, really, did he? He is swiping right to every club and just hoping that someone will take him away. Because he's not going to stay. And what's he saying? For the Gold Cup? Yeah, I mean, there's a four-year cycle until the next World Cup. But I think you're right, Dan, in the sense that before this World Cup, his camp was already talking to AC Milan when they were looking for a manager.

43:52Would you even fight that hard if you're the US Federation to keep him? They think he's done a really good job. As you said, he had no plan B, no response when there was a change of tactics. True. This is also the first, you know, he's a club manager. This is very different and we don't need to repeat it. But it's international football. Look at what happened to Nagelsmann or Ancelotti. I don't think it's easy to transition from club football to international football. But look at this. This is awful. I can't believe you. Why don't you let him off? No, no, no. Let me finish. If this is really good, I'll see you.

44:24Don't forget, he did badly at PSG as well. So, he's not my friend. I need to be calling him the American guy. The Argentine guy. The Argentine guy. Why are you giving him a pass? No, no, no, I'm not giving him a pass. You absolutely are. No, no, let me finish. Where do you go next then? What, you try to convince Pep Guardiola to come out? No, no, I'm looking at this from a US federation. Why do I want to give you 8 million or whatever the heck he's on every year to stay and do that? I do it for half of it. There you are, Frank. I do it for half of it. I do it for half of it. I do it for half of it.

44:50I do it for half of it. Yeah, okay. Beautiful. Shaka goalkeeper coach. Oh, perfect. If you change now, you start over again. But start what, Jules? No, because I think there's a squad there. I think he's created an environment around the team. Okay, they were poor against Belgium. We said everything negative about it. But I think he's created something. The players like him, which is very important. It's very important. If you're in charge of the national team, like US soccer are, you ask your players. It's very simple. And many clubs do it. Do you want him to stay or not? I guarantee you 90 % of those players will say...

45:26Well, of course, because he's picking them. But no, I want a manager. To that point, listen, I think we're 24 hours removed from the defeat. I think US soccer has every right now just to sit down, wait for the dust to settle, reassess and make a firm decision. 48 hours ago, there's no question. Mauricio Pochettino is getting a new contract. All of a sudden now, we are seriously doubting or seriously considering whether that's the right move or not. You also have to remember, given the managerial history of the U.S. just from the last World Cup, it has been so tumultuous that you want somebody to come in, just let things settle, let this game kind of figure itself out without that circus that came with Bear Halter and everything around, even from Bradley come forward.

46:18Just let things settle down. And maybe from that perspective, it makes sense. But again, for me, it's not a decision that you have to rush to make. If you can get a better coach, sure. I'm not sure right now. You would rather be holding the back or Bradley or Bruce Arena. If Beharthal could have done what Pochettino's done, couldn't he? Just gotten through the round of 16 and getting knocked out when any team changes their tactics again? The thing is, for me, because you have four years, that's an opportunity to settle something down and maybe with Pochettino and work on what you have already.

46:49maybe that team was still young and start something. I'm sorry, I'm going to take the example of France, in the 90, 92, 94, we didn't go to the two World Cup. We were all full during the European Championship. And they give the team to Aimé Jacquet, the assistant coach of Gérard Rouillet. And he had four years to build something. And we know what followed. So it's possible not maybe winning the next World Cup, but being better and more structured and work on what you were just saying, on the culture of the soccer in the United States. Change maybe the mentality, build academies, and make sure that for the future, and I've been saying that since I lived in Los Angeles 20 years ago, that they have to change the structures for youth, and they have to make it more professional and more for poorer people, as you said.

47:38Because in France, you don't have any rich people winning a World Cup. That's impossible. You don't even reach the level because you need to be angry, to be hungry. that's what makes a football player a better player. This is all irrelevant because once a big club comes knocking he's throwing his American phone out the window, he's off. That's where I agree with you. He's never looking back. I still think the desire is club football for sure. Indeed. YouTube is your place to go for more discussions about the future of Mauricio Pochettino and reflections on what we saw yesterday in that defeat for the US.

48:19for La Quinta by Wyndham. Summer mornings move fast, whether you're heading to the job site or catching the first pitch. But not every hotel makes it easy to start your day right. At La Quinta by Wyndham, you can wake up to a free bright side breakfast, including hot waffles, fresh fruit, eggs, yogurt, and more. It's the kind of lineup that helps you knock your morning out of the park. And while you're at it, book your next work trip at LaQuinta.com to earn Wyndham Rewards points with your qualified stay. Tonight, La Quinta, tomorrow you shine. Terms and conditions apply. As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy.

48:58But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back. From professional-grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Grainger knows safety is always a priority, They're committed to being your partner and protecting both your people and your facilities. Call 1-800-GRANGER, click granger.com, or just stop by.

49:30Pitch Preview is brought to you by DraftKings Sports. Here we go then. The lineup is set for the quarterfinals. France against Morocco, Spain, Belgium, Norway, England, Argentina, Switzerland. We've got a day off tomorrow, but then it all starts on Thursday as the battle for the semifinals begins. Have you got any worries with Morocco? Yes, yes. I have respect. I have doubts because we all know the players and we know them because they have played for some of them in France. Like the example of the young Boadi in the middle of the park who played in the youth team for the French national team.

50:11And you have talent everywhere. Starting from Hakimi to that Boadi and to some others, the Saïd Baeri. I don't know if he will be on the field back, but they have talent everywhere and they have a real tactic. They know how to be patient. They know how to counterattack. So you have to respect them. I think France are better and should win. But if you don't respect Morocco, you're going to be surprised. Four years ago, we saw this during the semifinals at Qatar. That was a terrible match. Are we expecting the same? No, this is a very different team. this different Moroccan team than the one three and a half years ago, who was far more defensive from Moïse Regragui.

50:48The French took the lead very early in this game that we're showing the stats now, as you can see with Théo Hernandez. This time it would be a very attacking game, I think, very open, where that French front four, I think, could cause a lot of problems, obviously, to the Moroccan defence. And I think also the way this Moroccan team attack should be a bit test for the French defence, especially the two fullbacks again in Koundé and Lucading. Even a centre-back, whether Saibari starts or whether he's still out and is Rahimi starting in that position. I think it would be a massive test. I agree. I think this is a very good Moroccan side who, while they come up against France, I think I'll join you two Frenchmen and say I think France go through.

51:31Morocco would prove a fast-inner test to almost anybody else in this bracket. Maybe some of that kind of shared history, of the Moroccan players with France is that little needle in their own side. But this is a far better, far more attacking Morocco than we saw three and a half years ago. Far more talented. I think France goes through, but this is not going to be an easy game. I think you're hyping up Morocco quite a bit. I don't think they've been that good. They were not good against Canada, which is true. It's the first time where we saw them struggling. They weren't good against Scotland.

52:05They weren't great against Haiti. Netherlands. I don't know. I'm just not... I'm not saying it. We have friends in France who are Americans, so we have to be nice to them. OK. All right. Well done for having friends. Well, you will see. We're going to talk about England after, you know. I don't have any friends in England. Right then. England against Norway. Ooh. Ooh. Are you scared? Of course I'm scared. What scares you? What? Holland scares you? What scares me is that I was really scared going into Mexico, and we win, and I'm less scared now, and that's dangerous because I'm worried. You're too confident.

52:38That's the issue because you looked at the Mexico, you could give you so many reasons to why we'd lose, but we didn't. Norway are kind of maybe a little less than England on the pitch in the starting XI, with the exception of Erling Haaland, which is quite an exception. True. The win against Mexico is maybe one of the most important wins in English football history. It's not a great game. It's not a great performance with the ball. They didn't do that well. However, the character and the personality that that team showed is impressive. This is a very different game where you don't win it with a character because you are better than the opposition.

53:14This England team is better than this Norway team. Bar, Haaland and Odegaard maybe. But Kane against Hagem and Ayer every single day. Same with the fullbacks. Probably same in midfield. I'm sorry, but Rice and Anderson against Berger and Berg. There should not be no match there. and even Haaland against Gaye and either Stones Consa depending if James is right back or not even that you would think they've played so many times against him Pickford in goal as well that you should probably know how to handle Erling Haaland far more than Gabriel Nua as well yeah but it's a Brazil team that is not as good as this England team it's an average Brazil team so I think you should not go if you Arsenal play You should not even say this word in your mouth anyway.

54:05So if you're England, you have to be positive, I think, going into this game. So you're picking England? Yeah, I think they will win this game and they should win this game. Shaka, who are you picking? I pick England for all those same reasons. And while you could talk about Norway beating Brazil and how poor a Brazil team was this World Cup, for me, Nyland was Norway's mighty match in that game. The Norwegian goalkeeper. So, yeah, I see England win this. The Union goalkeeper, again, with Xhaka. It's always about the goalkeeper. You know that. You know that, Frank. I'm sure. I think the game that they won against Mexico brought a lot of confidence in the dressing room for that English side.

54:46But I want to believe that Norway has a tool to surprise everybody. And I saw the qualification. I saw the game. It doesn't count the French, the game they play against the French, because they played with half of the first 11. And they showed so much strength, confidence and quality against Brazil. Yes, Brazil wasn't the best team in the world, but Norway were better. So I'm sorry, I'm going to go for Norway. Spain and Argentina are the two favourites of the remaining quarterfinals. Which of those two are the likeliest to give us an upset? I don't see Spain losing against Belgium. in no way. I'm sorry.

55:27With all due respect to our cousin, the Belgique people, Spain, they go for the semi-final against France. It's what has been planned for months according to the bracket. So I don't see anything. Yeah, I have question marks about Argentina. Switzerland can cause an upset. The upset can come from there. Yeah, sure. You agree? I think Switzerland, I think they are, as we said earlier, super well organized. They've got a physicality. They've got pace. If Manzambi is back, I think Argentina might struggle to contain them. I agree. As I said before, USA results are a side. I do not think that this is a great Belgian side.

56:05Saying that, I don't think Spain have hit their heights either themselves. But still, they are the better of the two. I don't see it as simple or straightforward for Argentina and Switzerland. 20 seconds to go. World Cup final. Who will it be? The revenge. France against Mubi Argentina. Jacques. France, England France, England as well And what about you? We've run out of time We've run out of time We've got a day off tomorrow We're off exploring the Big Apple The show continues though And then Thursday sees those quarter finals Kick off Starting with France against Morocco

56:54Welcome in to the latest edition of Extra Time. Oh, by the way, I asked you a question just at the end of the show. What do you think? Do you think England's going to go to the final or not? I think I agree with you. I think France-Argentina. Oh, because he's that kind of guy. You know, I'm very pessimistic and they win. That's not good. I don't like the attitude right now. Shaka Hislop is here as well. Yes, I am. Jules, it's nice to see you in Perth. Yes, I love it here. First time we've ever worked in person. I know, I know, exactly. I know, really? Yeah. Thanks for having me in the studio. So good to have someone that's shorter than me on the show.

57:32That's right. You know what? I was going to say something nice. This side of the studio is much more handsome than this side. And then you're going with the height. That depends on the perspective you have. Big day. Which one should we start with? Big day for both myself and Frank today. We'll start with my son. My eldest son graduated with first class. Oh, yes. Very wonderful. Very nice. Fantastic. Yeah, brilliant. I'm so proud of him. Yeah, you should. It is such a good feeling. Yeah. That's a surprise, even a bigger surprise, that Frank's wife has put up with him. Oh, boy. 13 years. Yeah. Very good.

58:18I think he's on Frank. He had forgotten. No, she forgot also. We both forgot that it was yesterday because we married in two days. And yesterday we both talked to each other and we forgot that it's only this morning to say, happy anniversary. And she's coming to New York. She's coming to New York next Saturday for a week. I've never met her before either. Let me tell you, I've had three days of Frank. And good. Where do you think Craig is? I'm driving back to Boston. I'm like, ah, dear. I need to rest. OK. I understand. This question, I'm going to add different to this question. Which match has been the game of the tournament so far?

58:58England, Mexico or Argentina, Egypt? I would disagree with both of those. Me too. And Cape Verde, Argentina? Yes. Cape Verde. Argentina, Cape Verde. Cape Verde. We've watched all the games together, pretty much. I know. And that was the one where everyone, when that second goal went in, it was just one of the most amazing experiences we've had. Well, not just in this tournament, but I'd say it ever. Because we didn't expect it. No, that was so much, you know, and how do you say, unleveled? Unleveled? Yeah, and so the game that Que Verde showed to the world was so exceptional that we, in a neutral point of view, we were cheering for them.

59:36The others, that was not expected, but you know that it can happen. Yeah, Shank, you agree. Yeah, I agree. Argentina Que Verde for me easily. Yeah. Best in me tournament. Charles? I agree, although I thought the Mexico-England game was pretty epic. Oh, that was great. Pretty special. We closed second. You know why it was great? Because the atmosphere, crazy. But nobody expected it because there was a debate before the game that how long the English players will accept the altitude. And they were warriors. Yeah, that was great. Roberto Martinez has been criticized for overplaying Cristiano Ronaldo.

1:00:11Should Scaloni also be criticized by keeping Messi on penalties despite his poor record? That's a good question. That's a good question, but when Messi takes the ball, who's going to say, no, you're not shooting? But why is that then different to Roberto Martinez not stepping up and facing Cristiano Ronaldo to Scaloni not stepping up and telling Messi, you're off penalty? Well, that's not comparable. That's completely different things. Well, because it's a detail. I mean, it's one precise action on penalty shootout. They could have got knocked out today because he missed the penalty. Yeah, but it's not what it would have been against Scaloni.

1:00:48That's the player decides to shoot. I thought this is the coach's choice. No, no. Well, in my time, nobody would have said, Frank, you shoot. Never. Never. Oh, Frank, you don't shoot. I signed for Chelsea. It was Denis Wise, penalty shooter. I took the ball and I shot. And for five and a half years, I shot. Whether I wanted it or not, whether the coach wanted it or not. I was the guy. And before the game, you decide. if there is a penalty who shoots Frank okay wait wait wait you're talking about this discussion who made that decision that it's you I decide I say when the coach asks I say I decide yeah but the coach asks yeah yeah he said who wants to who's going to shoot well after you know after 30 times scored they stop asking maybe but no no but it's what it is for everybody and with the national team it was Zinedine Zidane or Yuri Djokov at first then it was Laurent Blanc and if I was playing, I was the third one.

1:01:44But that was planned and it was written on rocks and on stones, rocks, whatever. And nothing has to be said. The coach will say, oh, no, we change or some players will take the ball. No, never. Never. That's not possible. It doesn't work like that. It's a feeling. It's a feeling that you have. I think Messi, when he takes the ball, he knows and he feels that he can score and he cannot say anything about it. Is this a double standard, Sean? I guess, in one way. I'll differentiate it like this. Playing a player for 90 minutes has a far bigger impact on a game and the outcome of a game than a single moment.

1:02:24From 12 yards or not. And while others may say that these are Lionel Scaloni's and Roberto Martinez's decisions, I think otherwise. I think Cristiano Ronaldo makes that call. Lionel Messi makes a call as to who takes penalties. and the managers don't get in the way. The manager has to step in when it has a larger impact on the game, on the outcome of the game. And leaving Cristiano Ronaldo on for 90 minutes, or at the very least not, bringing Gonzalo Ramas on to give him some support has a far bigger impact than Lille and Messi scoring or missing a party. Given that Kane-Jude Rice are among some England players' stools with a yellow card and could be potentially suspended, if they get another yellow against Norway, do you rest some of them if you are Tuchel or how do you manage?

1:03:16No, no, no. Don't be rest in players and thinking that we're better than Norway. You can make a couple of calls. You can make a couple of calls and get out of Kiro. You'll be all right. Move on, move on. All of that. You have to pray. It's like the same for Olysee. He got a stupid yellow card from the referee, which wasn't a yellow card. I think the French Federation has appealed to that. But I think they're going to be denied. You trust them as well. But you have to play them. You have to play them. You have to play your best players and you see after. Trust them. Xhaka, do you think that Frise should have played as many minutes as possible leading up to the World Cup and even against Turkey because of his relative lack of experience?

1:03:57Do you think that could have made a difference in his performance last night against Belgium? Listen, Frise has been Pochettino's number one ever since Pochettino came in. I have no issue with the amount of time he played or was rested including against Turkey I think that was just a reasonable call it was not a great performance let's also remember in Fris's defence he made this incredible save with barely a minute on the clock and I think it spoke to his talent and then as the game kind of went on he just kind of fit in with everybody else in terms of not showing up and not being their best selves it was a terrible mistake, there's no getting away from that, but I don't think anything that preceded it, or any decisions made by Pochettino leading up contributed to that.

1:04:44But don't you think that even if there is a mistake after, is that Riem, you say Riem? Team Riem, yeah. He could have saved it, 100%. He could have saved it. Stevie made that point. Come on, come on. It's as bad if not worse. Yeah, than the goalkeeper, because you just have to put your left foot like that, and I'm sorry, yeah, the goalkeeper made a mistake. You still get your left foot up that high, Frank? No, maybe not, but there. Yeah, I do that. Don't worry. There you go. I'm not 80, you all. Nor is Tim Ring. Jules, how are you going to pass the time tomorrow? What's your plan? Your boy's here?

1:05:20Yeah, my oldest is here. He hates England, which is very interesting. He had great delight to tell you that. He's half English. I know, he was born in England. He was born in London. His mum is Welsh, his dad is French. It's all about fans. Everybody hates England with a passion. Everybody hates you, guys. But he was born there. You know what? We've played a few pick-up games here in New York already since he arrived like a week ago. Everywhere we play, amongst the players who play with us, and people we don't know before, everybody's a massive fan of ESPN FC, of the show, watching the show. So big up to all of them.

1:05:56A lot of love for Shaka and Frank. Beautiful. because he's English so tomorrow I think we've got a game somewhere in Chelsea Piers if you fancy I might turn up if it's Chelsea Piers I might turn up it's really good the level of pick up games here is a ton some games have been really good so we've been really impressed by some of the levels of the New Yorkers playing I would come with you but I'm going to the Museum of Illusions and the Museum of Ice Cream My kids aren't here. That's your life. Whether you go to the Museum of Illusion, that's your life, you know. What do you mean, illusion? Believing on something that's going to never happen.

1:06:40You know, winning the World Cup, for example, it's an illusion. Hey, calm down. What are you going to do tomorrow, Frank? I'm going to go around the Big Apple. I'm going to walk to Target. I might go to the... I love the Morgan Library. It's very nice. It's a beautiful place and I might go to see that. I got here two days ago. Frank walks in. I've been to three different targets today. Oh my God. He goes to me. We're walking past CVS and he goes, I can't wait for my wife to come. We can go to CVS together. What's going on? We are simple people. Who is this man? It's beautiful. You can find everything.

1:07:27And he's walked. I've walked the three targets. I was looking for some candies. I need some candies. When we are here, we are representing France. Yeah. We can't say things like that. I sign an autograph on CBS. I find somebody who knew me here. I'm a big fan of ESPN FC. Everybody does that when they use their credit card.

1:07:57Frank, have you and Dan went to dinner yet? Did he wear his favourite shorts? We did go to dinner. No, we had a dinner because we had to escape from Kieran Gibbs' advice of a city restaurant. It was an awful place. We were too old for that. We went to another peaceful place. Tete-a-tete. Tete-a-tete. We watched the game at the same time. No, he was wearing your jeans. I can't even remember. I remember. No, he cannot eat with me with shorts. in a restaurant. I wouldn't accept that. Final question for Frank. Gab wants ruthlessly bullied Jules. That doesn't sound like Gab. His favourite dessert being eclairs.

1:08:33Yeah. As a Frenchman, does this qualify as a dessert? And is it better than Dan's favourite dessert, creme brulee without the brulee? Well, I got that from you. Yes, it's true. Because I don't like what we call the caramel. And the top when you burn it. And I don't like it. So I like the creme brulee. Not brûlée, just the crème, the cold one. I love it, I love it. And an éclair, I think an éclair is a very nice dessert. The coffee one. Is it a dessert? Is it not a patisserie? Oh, no, no, of course, no, no. It's a dessert. Why do you say that with a French accent? I know, I can't tell you. It's all from French juices.

1:09:14Boulangerie, charcuterie. And the boucherie here. The boucherie restaurant. Okay, okay. Oh, ça va? Ça va bien, merci. Au revoir. Au revoir. Like Kerry Cantona would have said. Au revoir. OK. What's see you tomorrow? À demain. À demain. À demain. À demain. There we go. Goodbye. That's it. You can now. Show it. We will be back then. Tomorrow, it's a rest day. Well, we're all resting. Someone's doing the show, not us. Yeah, good luck.

1:09:45As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back. From professional-grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Grainger knows safety is always a priority, they're committed to being your partner in protecting both your people and your facilities. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com, or just stop by.