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25:50The Manchester United team beating Ipswich 5-2, Everton unbeaten. it's been a very turbulent week it's unbelievable what's going on in this week at Everton David Moyes is now down to one striker one left back, one right back 18 outfield players so I think I spoke to him after the game he was talking a lot about characters and he needs characters and he needs great goals and that George goal I agree with you maybe the goalkeeper should have had that one but a 20 year old with a lot of experience from Chelsea really is a bit underestimated experience great goals and then Maitland-Niles in his first game I felt that was a bit at that age that we can say that is a bit Mathieu Letizier when he's using his inside of the foot in the far corner so that was a brilliant end to the game and I think David Moyes based on the fact that he's been furious all week, he has said he hasn't talked to his owner for one and a half year and then he will be happy with this start of the season.

26:53There is a team They've got some young kids like Armstrong and George now getting the goals. And I think they have to build on that. As for Manchester United, I think that this was an OK away game. They controlled part of the game. And Boomer made a good goal, although the Everton defenders looked very passive when he came in there from the right with his left foot. So all in all, I think they'll be pretty happy. But of course, Manchester United being 2-1 up and overtime of overtime is always a blow to any club. Yeah. United fans will be cut, won't they? Yeah, they should be disappointed. Listen, Everton, you know, I was talking about Moyes-Watton characters.

27:35This Everton side changed for me when Grealish came on because for an hour they were absolutely, they looked as though they had no idea where to go or what to do. Tyreek George was the only player in an Everton jersey who actually wanted to go forward. The rest of the time they were, I don't know what they were doing. So Manchester United for an hour absolutely had the cigars out and they should have punished Everton in that first hour because Everton were just standing off. So if I'm United, I'm not disappointed. I'm looking at this team and going, why didn't you go and just... Everton were there for the taking and they just didn't do it.

28:17And if they want to be in the top four, they can't go to places like Everton. and play the way they did. You can look at this and say it's a point away from home. You know, it used to be a tough place to go, Everton, Man United. It was always hard for them. But that's gone. I think they can. I think you can go to Everton and get a point and still be very much in the conversation for the top four because of everything else that's going on. Right, and that's really my point. The way that Everton played for an hour, Manchester United, if they wanted to be in the top four, should have gone and buried this team because they were absolutely asking to be beaten.

28:49But they didn't do it. and then even when they went ahead they kind of slackened off even more thinking they were just going to cruise and of course you do that, things change and they end up losing two points getting a point at Everton at the moment it's not like a it's not a good thing for all the reasons that Jan talked about Moise is furious they're selling everything they try to do their business very late in the window and they've got the pants taken down, they've got nobody up front they've got a thin squad they don't have real quality Grealish apart, kind of, maybe Dewsbury Hall at times, but certainly Grealish is, you know, obviously he's won the Champions League and the Premier League and he's up there and the rest are kind of well below that so when you look at the issues at Everton United really should have been putting the foot on the neck, and Carrick said in an interview after the game Stevie and I were watching it, he thought they played really well and created a lot of chances and they were like, well not quite sure, he controlled the game because Everton are not a very good side, you know, in terms of possessing the ball.

29:54But it wasn't like Pickford was all over the place in the first hour, having to make save after save after save. So they had a lot of the ball, but they should have put this Everton team away. And then United started to drop deep and got caught, as Jan said, in overtime, in injury time. The Sesco goal goes in. I don't think Pickford was great for that. But it's 2-1. The game's dead and buried. And somehow you leave yourself sort of open again. you get pushed back, ball's not cleared properly and it is a great finish from Maitland-Niles. I'll give you that. But they really shouldn't have been in that position against this Everton side that are very thin in terms of the squad, very thin in terms of quality and I kind of think it tells you where United are at the start of the season.

30:37The game Yarn was at, the Hull game, where they got beat. Are they going to be a little week away on the road this year? Kind of looks a little bit like it at the moment. Yeah, that's a fair point. It's kind of where United are isn't it Frank? Yeah the thing is I realized during the game I said where is Bruno Fernandes and I saw Everton trying to deal with a guy with a main threat I think for Manchester where he got one chance when he gave the ball for the I think it was for Luke Shaw for the cross on Sesco's goal and he had that volley fantastic volley on the first half but it was quite invisible because Everton made sure that it wasn't too free.

31:18And that's why it's a difference. So I was really disappointed by Manchester United's way of playing, especially the second half. They tried a little bit the first half. The second half, they scored a goal. You say, okay, it's over against Everton. As the guy explained, you know, there are too many players missing. And we didn't see that. We didn't see, you know, a little ship on the field knowing exactly what to do. they drop a little bit and it's when Everton came back and had a chance to equalise and after you have that successful goal and you say okay it's over with the maturity that Manchester had it should be over no disappointed games only one point away against that Everton team no that's that's not good enough you were at the whole game as well as Craig mentioned Jan you do fear for United when they go away from home given what we've seen in these first openers yeah and I think that it's I don't think they played very well.

32:14I don't agree with Carrick there. I think they controlled it compared with the whole game because that was a different game. But I don't think that, well, if you have a look at the Premier League table, no hell is up there. But still, that's not where you compare it. I think that what's interesting when we've seen these two games is that Arsenal is showing that they are good. They're up there. They are offensive going forward and doing well. We've seen Manchester United. I was at Manchester City yesterday. They could have lost or lost points in that game as well. They were not convincing. And Manchester United either.

32:49I think that what we've seen now is that Arsenal is so much above the rest. I mean, yes, it's so easy to say it after three match runs. But that's the background we're having at the moment. And that's why I just repeat that. To go from that game and go and have a look at Arsenal. playing Chelsea, I mean, they're miles apart. And Manchester United were very optimistic before this season. Could that go on? Yes, I think they could still be top four. There is no chance, as it stands now, that Manchester United is even close to competing for the title. How were you and Carrick afterwards, Jan? We were OK, thank you.

33:30Thanks for asking. That's all right. I didn't go in for any passion questions. No, we were very polite to each other. And what's funny as well at Hull, I love when they go back at me. That makes good TV. That's what we love to have, don't we, Dan? Good, because every time you say so I'm negative this year against Man United, we're going to clip it off and send it to their PR team. Exactly. Frank, we're going to let you go for the evening. Would you like to say anything before you leave? Hold on, what? There's nothing more for him to say. No, no, no. I just say that when I watched the game and I saw the Cesc goal and I say it's over, when I saw that goal for Midland Knights, I said, I love that game.

34:12I sent a text to our producer today because I say, you know, you can expect everything from the football and that goal is a pure beauty. And it's why we love football, I think. It's because nothing is settled. Everything can happen. And it's why after 20 more years of retirement, I still enjoy a great football game or a great goal. Producers blocked you. He didn't see it. He blocked you. Frank LeBeouf, thank you very much. Frank LeBeouf, half a shift. Much appreciated. Half a day. Jan will be returning for his full shift on Extra Time. As always, you can check that out over on your YouTube channel.

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36:09Betis heading in, hedging the bets, and Manuel Pellegrini gets that victory, I'm sure he fought. Espich was the hero against Espanyol in the opening game of the season. Thought he'd come off the bench to save Real Madrid again, however offside. Yeah, it was a great finish, but when you look back at this first pass, we're going to see Mourinho not happy. there's a foot that ball there it goes in as he's backing in his right foot is in an offside position it's still the same phase of play we're talking seconds he's onside at this point but that's a moot point great finish but this is the correct call from VAR and the referee Real Madrid then have the chance though to get that late equaliser as Vinicius jr.

36:51was brought down here no no question penalty it was a good spot from the referee actually because it just looked from that angle with all the players that had gone out for a corner but you can see the sliding challenge coming in here. There just swipes Vinicius Junior's feet. So Kylian Mbappe steps up, poor penalty, saved and then the rebound is cleared. Now questions about whether or not it's encroachment, the foot is clearly across the line however because it isn't planted he's okay, it's not encroachment, the penalty doesn't stand, to corner instead and Real Betis go on to win by one goal to nil.

37:30We discussed it a lot of course, we were live for that game. We'll talk to Sid in a moment, let's just take a look at the front page of the newspapers after it. First blow, says the front page of Mark, hitting the brakes, meanwhile says Ass. Right Sid, we were a little bit unsure about what the rule was really, to be honest, 48 hours ago I wonder what the clarification has been or has it been clarified in different ways depending who you listen to? Yeah there's always an element of that isn't there I think one of the problems here of course is that there's there's two things happen one is one is a shift in the way that the rule is written and the other is an ambiguity in the way that the rule is written so it used to be that if you're in the air you're not encroaching it was then rewritten to be that if you're in the air then effectively the position of your body is judged as if you were on the floor.

38:21So in other words, Mark Bartscher's body is over the line, is in the penalty area, you would draw a line down and it was as if he was treading on the floor in the area, except for the fact that he has the other foot outside the area. Now by the way, we could probably argue about whether the other foot is entirely outside the area, because of course the angle on the camera isn't perfect to be able to see if it's just outside or even fractionally on the line. But that leads to this kind of contradiction in the rules about, but one foot is planted, so that clarifies, that gets rid of everything else, the rest of it doesn't matter.

38:47But we've just rewritten the rules to say that if If you're in the air and in the area, then you're in the area. So which bit of your body is the bit that's counting? Which bit is trumping the other here? And it seems that I think what will probably happen on Tuesday, now most of our viewers will be aware of this, but just in case they're not, every Tuesday now for the last year or so, the technical referees committee have decided they will choose five or six plays from the weekend's games and talk them through and say whether the decision was right as the way they put it, as a way of educating people in the rules.

39:18Now, instead of being a way of educating people on the rules, inevitably what this has been is everyone going, you see, they were wrong and they were wrong against us. Now, I think they will choose this one because I actually think it's quite interesting. And I think it is quite good if they can educate us and clarify to us whether it's the foot on the floor or the foot in the air that counts. I suspect they will say this was the right decision, not least because, of course, it's the best thing from them to say, yes, our referee got it right. But this may well lead to yet another little rewriting of the rules to try and make it a little bit clearer next time.

39:46They will say it's the right decision because it probably is with the way the rules and the laws are written. My problem is, had that been for an offside, whether the foot's planted or not, as soon as the body's in front by half a yard, they deem that as gaining an advantage. So how is it not gaining an advantage when you're trying to go in to be first to go in to get to your rebound? one can't be true without the other being true if you're gaining an advantage on on on the laws of offside by your body being in front by your head being in front by your shoulders being in front you're then gaining an advantage whether your foot's on the floor or not so i think the way the laws are written that this is correct but i think they're going to have to go away as said pointed out and have a rethink about the laws around this certain scenario because you cannot not be getting an advantage on an offside and a goal being chopped off and you're not getting an advantage on your opponents by doing this very same thing.

40:49We had no idea when this happened because you, I and Stevie, Nicko, were sat here and we said, in 20 or 30 years of playing and covering this game, we've never seen this. Never seen this scenario. I'm sure it's happened. We've never seen it. But I get a feeling this will be, they'll say this was the correct decision, but IFAB we're going to have to go away and look at the laws of the game and how they're written to address this scenario not happening again. Luis Garcia. No, no, no. Nothing to say. I mean, it's true that I heard also what they say about the rule and the indication that if the defeat is outside and whatever it is is an advantage for the defender in this occasion and you can see that the law is not well written and they'll have to think about it but this has been happening for forever and now because we are paying more attention because we have more cameras because we got that time to review what just happened and then allow ourselves to to think in different ways probably Real Madrid fans won't be seeing the same way but it is what it is and the way is right and so something that needs to be changed because definitely in that occasion Barthas is taking advantage for a lot a lot of distance but it It looks short, but in movement, because we see the pictures just right there, but in movement, that's a lot of difference.

42:11And Mbappe should have the time to have a better contact with them all. So we'll wait and see, but that rule probably will change very soon. Buy five quarts of Mobile One full synthetic motor oil and receive two times O rewards points. Plus, get a$10 gift card and receive a 2311 die cast after rebate. Terms and conditions apply. Get details at O 'Reilly Auto Parts. Evan Cohen here. Game day brings the excitement. Your stay should feel just as memorable. With Marriott Bonvoy, official hotel partner of the NCAA and U.S. soccer, you're connected to a portfolio of brands designed for how you travel.

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43:27Craig and Stevie as well to answer your questions on Extra Time, which is next.

43:39Welcome to the latest edition of Extra Time. Thank you for your questions. What's the percentage chance Arsenal win the Premier League, Stevie, before match day 30?

43:53Percentage of that? I mean, we're only, what, three games in? Yes. Look at the thinking face. Right now, maybe 25 % chance. Really? It's quite high. How many teams have won the league? We've got eight games left. Yeah, that's why I'm saying it's quite high. It's quite high. Really? So that's why I'm saying it's only 25%. No, it's quite high. I say 25%. Oh, you think 25 %? That's quite high. I'd say so. 18 points at that stage. You might be right. Right. You might be right. I'll change that, if I may. If I may. 30? I'll take you 15. 15? Yeah. When will they win it? I've no idea. What are you asking?

44:42I think that's a valid question off the back of that. Well, I've got a crystal ball. When will they win it? Well, we just won't talk about the future at all. You're quite happy to give that prediction. Well, I'm not. You ask me a question. I've got to answer the question, innit? Well, now I've asked you another question. All right, well, give me a second. Then I'll think about it. Why are you getting so grumpy about it? Yeah.

45:10Four games, five maybe? Four games to go, five. Four or five to three. Four or thirty-five, yeah. There we go. Yeah, from what we've seen so far. Yes. I will go with that. Don't even look at me, I'm enjoying this.

45:23What's next? Oh, you're done? Oh, thanks. 15 % Jan to win it in Matchday 30. I think it's fantastic when I see Steven Nichols sitting there as a Nobel Prize winner and discussing with himself the percentage of what's happening when it's 24 games. No, 24 points to fight about around the 30th. I think this, I have to be honest, I think this thing of Arsenal building a dynasty and they will win it, I think it's too early. I think they have the potential to do that, but still Arsenal need to go up a bit and they have to develop. They haven't won two in a row since the 30s. So let's, they say in Germany, let's keep the church in the village.

46:10That's the Kirchendorf. So what are you letting him out for? What do you mean? We never answered the question. You didn't throw any German. After about two seconds you went, well answer that, that's not the question I asked you. Okay. You sit and let me in. You sit and you and prattle on about whatever. I don't even know what it was. 4%. Thank you very much, Chelsea. There you go. See? See? I'll do your job for you. I'll get the answer out of them. Craig, for all, Chelsea seem to be building to something amazing and become serious contenders within two seasons. Or this is all going to crumble down by the end of the season.

46:43Which camp do you fall in? I'm in the middle. In the middle? Sitting on the fence? Yeah, I mean, they're sending out... They've sent out some really different signals with players that they've signed. Now we're going young, this is what we're doing, this is the project. Then they go out and they signed... Welbeck. Welbeck and Jordan Henderson, which was like... So, you know, we're giving managers time, which they haven't. Now they've brought Xabi Alonso in. So I'm kind of in the middle of where this is all going to go at the moment. It looks relatively positive at the moment, but we'll see. Jan, you're at the United game.

47:26Looking at the performances so far of Anthony Gordon for Barca and Rashford for Manchester United, is it safe to say Barcelona's decision was the correct one? How was Rashford today? How would you rate him, Jan? He was Manchester United's best player. I think Rashford, as long as he played, he was good, he took on people. I think that he had a good game today. As for Anthony Gordon, I mean, we have to be honest boys, if you go to Barcelona, you will improve because you They play with the best players in the world. They've scored 17 goals. I probably could have scored a couple this season for them in La Liga.

47:58We have to be honest with that. But Rashford, I think, today, based on the performance today, they had to take him off. He had a little, a small injury there when he got on. He was good today. So I think that is far too early to make a verdict. This is a good question for you, Steve. What's more surprising after three games? Hull City with zero goals conceded or Spurs and Villa with zero goals scored? Ooh. Ooh.

48:29I don't... Is there actually one more surprising than the other for this? I think they're all in the same level. Nobody would say Hull would have no goals against after three games. Nobody. So that's three teams. That's 25 % each. Exactly I don't think you can put any of them Above or below any of the others Not at all Did you see Spurs yesterday? I didn't see Spurs for us How was it? They were Spurs-y Right So, yeah

49:06I think we have to give a compliment to Hull You want a five minute spear? No, you've answered my question with that No shots from Spurs yesterday No, no shots from Spurs and yes, they were Spursy, but I mean that's not very surprisingly that they will do that. I think it's an unbelievable performance so far by Hull. So whatever Hull is involved in any ranking, in any comparing, I will have Hull there. I know this question is differently, but I would still say that they go in there with conceding zero. It's fantastic. Yeah. What is more surprising? Oh, we've done that. I know it's only been three games, but looking past the actual results, what are your thoughts on how the Man United team is shaping up?

49:54Based on what you've seen on the pitch so far, what do you think our ceiling is for the season? Clearly a Manchester United fan. Jan, you have been at two of their games. Well, I think that they are as they were last season when Carrick was there. I don't see a big difference. I saw the game at Hull. There were a lot of midfielders running around. I didn't see the pattern there. That was much better today against Everton. They scored five against Ipswich. I also noticed that Santos being on the bench. He's one of their record signings that should improve the team. Cesko's coming in there. I mean, you need him there.

50:37You need his goals. I think that is important. I think the big question mark would be, well, how will they do it at the back when we see a Shaw. Shaw was better today. Him and Rashford had some different things going on on the left side. There was a bit of improvement. But I see them as three at the best and six at the worst.

51:15I remember, if I can start there, Hans-Jürgen Butch. I think it was for Leverkusen in a couple of clubs. He was fantastic. And then you had the goalkeeper of Paraguay, Chavalier. Chabalier, he even took fry free cakes and he was good at free cakes as well. Stevie did you have anyone?

51:38No, they weren't the designated penalty taker but my mate Pressman at Sheffield Wednesday was pretty dynamite. Explain to me why he's your mate Stevie for people who don't know the beef between the two of you. He was a little rotund. Shall we see? What does that mean? What does that mean? Rotund. I wasn't actually expecting you to go that way. I was expecting you to go more the way that he always went down and you always told him to stay up because he always got chipped. Yeah, he used to go down for fun. Even I chipped him. Did you? Yeah. Did you go, oh, you're a little rotund? No. I'll give him the little Chelsea.

52:22She'll go to Chelsea. He might have been still there. And I went through one-on-one. I gave him the little faint and down he went. Can I get my favourite story about a goalkeeper that was a bit, what shall I say? He was not the fittest? Yes. Simon Tracy, I played with him in Sheffield United, is one of my favourite stories. I went to Barnsley and we were playing them in a game. And before the game in the tunnel, Simon Tracy told me, Sheffield United goalkeeper, I'm striker for Barnsley. and he said to me, I know all about your chips, Jan. And I said, well, the only chips you know about is around your stomach.

53:02And then after 20 minutes, of course, one against one, chipping him. One nil. I love that story. Go on, Jan. Simon Tracy, I love you. Were you going to say something? No, just... When his name's mentioned, my brain goes straight to Old Trafford Eric Cantona's through I'm chasing Cantona I can see Pressman coming out and in my head I'm going don't go down stay on your feet you know he's going to dink you and what did he do? his chest collapsed somebody just pressed a button and his knees went and he went doing a ton of bricks and Eric just took his cigar out of his mouth and dinked it over him I was like that it was a shock yeah like Harlem would you be the same if you cut your hair as well?

53:54No, I need my hair. And I'm going to officially know the Norwegian with the longest hair in the UK. But I spoke with Erling after the game yesterday and it was so, it was full of everything yesterday. There was so much going on on one-liners. And we talked about his hair as well. And he said, yeah, everybody warned me. And the biggest warning came from Slatan. Don't do it, don't do that. But I just had to do it. I had to do it. I was planning that for a long time to do my hair and all those kind of things. And he was on about the World Cup. I'm still in a preseason, he said. Well, he scored three in that preseason in the Premier League.

54:32And there was an old thing going on. I have to reset after the World Cup. But his hair, he said that his hair will be back soon. But how soon can he be back? That's great. Thank you very much, Jan. Much appreciated. Just a reminder that ESPN will return hair and all because Mario Malkiot joins us on the show tomorrow. It is Monday. Of course it is. Monday, Mario.