Arsenal UCL Favorites?

27 Feb 2026 · 1 h 2 min · 34 chapters

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Episode Overview

  • Title: Arsenal UCL Favorites?
  • Description: The ESPN FC crew analyzes the Champions League (UCL) draw and evaluates Arsenal's position as potential favorites after receiving a favorable match-up. Additional discussions include key Round of 16 matchups and an upcoming title-deciding match known as Der Klassiker.

Key Discussions Champions League Draw Analysis

  • Arsenal's Favorable Matchup:
  • Arsenal is seen as having an easier pathway to the semifinals, drawn against Bayer Leverkusen.
  • The crew unanimously agrees that Arsenal fans should be optimistic about their chances.
  • Other Notable Draws:
  • Competitive Matches:
  • Manchester City vs. Real Madrid
  • Chelsea vs. PSG
  • Galatasaray vs. Liverpool
  • Atalanta vs. Bayern Munich
  • The other side of the draw is considered significantly tougher, featuring former winners.

Arsenal’s Potential Path

  • Arsenal's Position:
  • Arsenal is labeled as a strong favorite to win the UCL and potentially the Premier League as well.
  • The discussion highlights that Arsenal's draw could lead them to the semifinals with relative ease if they capitalize on their favorable matches.
  • Cautious Optimism:
  • Analysts stress the importance of taking it one game at a time, despite the favorable draw.
  • Craig Burley emphasizes the necessity for Arsenal to focus on one game at a time, avoiding complacency.

Rival Matches and Predictions

  • Key Matchups:
  • The crew dives into other significant UCL matchups, particularly emphasizing Manchester City vs. Real Madrid, which has a history of dramatic encounters.
  • Discussions around PSG vs. Chelsea note Chelsea's potential for an upset, dependent on their form.
  • Predictions for Other Teams:
  • There is debate surrounding the vulnerabilities of Real Madrid and Manchester City, especially in defense.
  • Arsenal’s chances of progressing through the UCL are seen as high, but the importance of maintaining form in the Premier League is also highlighted.

Der Klassiker Preview

  • The episode also previews the upcoming Der Klassiker match between Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich.
  • Analysts discuss the stakes for both teams, with Dortmund needing a win to stay competitive in the league.
  • Bayern is viewed as solid favorites due to their recent form and attacking prowess.

Key Takeaways

  • Arsenal’s favorable draw positions them as significant candidates for the Champions League title.
  • The other side of the bracket features tougher competition, making Arsenal's path appear less daunting.
  • The matchups between Manchester City and Real Madrid, as well as Chelsea against PSG, carry substantial implications for both the teams involved and their fanbases.
  • The crew emphasizes a cautious approach for Arsenal, while also expressing high expectations for their performance given the current form.

Future Matches to Watch

  • Der Klassiker: Upcoming match between Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich with title implications.
  • Champions League Round of 16: Key matches to follow include City vs. Madrid and Chelsea vs. PSG.

Conclusion The episode underscores the excitement and unpredictability of the Champions League, with Arsenal emerging as a strong contender if they can navigate their upcoming matches effectively. The discussions highlight the intricate dynamics of European football as teams gear up for decisive moments in both the Champions League and their domestic leagues.

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Champions League Draw Analysis

0:30 to 2:19

Discussion on the Champions League draw and Arsenal's favorable position.

“Welcome in to the latest edition of ESPN FC.”

Assessing Arsenal's Chances

2:20 to 4:19

Evaluating Arsenal's potential journey in the Champions League.

“really good draw from their perspective, I think if you said to Mikko La Teta, what do you want?”

Bayern Munich's Path

4:20 to 6:10

Examination of Bayern Munich's challenges in the Champions League draw.

“Meanwhile, Jan, you look at the other side of the draw, much harder to predict according to the bookies, though it's Bayern Munich that will make their way to the final throughout everyone.”

Real Madrid vs. Manchester City

6:11 to 8:25

Analysis of Real Madrid's match against Manchester City and their recent forms.

“But not a game that we've had like a few months ago and last year and the year before and the year before and the year before as well.”

Chelsea and PSG Matchup

8:26 to 11:03

Discussion on the upcoming Chelsea vs PSG fixtures and team forms.

“If they do that, if they do the basics defensively, they win this tie over two legs, I think.”

Analyzing PSG's Injury Issues

14:00 to 15:00

Discussion on PSG's injuries affecting their performance.

“They are the favourites over the two legs.”

Midfield Dynamics and Challenges

15:00 to 16:00

Exploration of PSG's midfield struggles and player absences.

“But even last season, they already had played better.”

Club World Cup Impact on Player Fitness

16:00 to 17:00

Debate on how the Club World Cup has affected player fitness for PSG.

“month with a knee injury that we thought was not too serious and actually is dragging on a bit and he's not even sure to be there for the first leg, let alone maybe even the second leg of that Chelsea clash.”

Match Predictions: Chelsea vs. PSG

17:00 to 18:00

Predictions and insights on the upcoming match between Chelsea and PSG.

“this potentially as partly a consequence of this ridiculous club World Cup?”

Newcastle vs. Barcelona: Match Preview

18:00 to 19:00

Analysis of the upcoming match between Newcastle and Barcelona.

“and the fitness of each player, and you lose players to injury.”
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Assessing Newcastle's Chances Against Barcelona

19:00 to 20:00

Discussion on Newcastle's strengths and weaknesses against Barcelona.

“I think Barcelona defensively are a shadow.”

Barcelona's Tactical Advantages

20:00 to 21:00

Examination of Barcelona's offensive strengths against Newcastle.

“I think they can fit them very well to play Barcelona.”

Key Players Missing for Newcastle

21:00 to 22:00

Highlighting the impact of missing key players for Newcastle.

“And that may well work in terms of causing Barcelona problems.”

Tournament Pressure on Borussia Dortmund

22:00 to 23:00

Discussion on the pressure facing Borussia Dortmund in upcoming matches.

“but Bruno Guimaraes won't be back either for Newcastle.”

Bayern Munich's Dominance This Season

23:00 to 24:00

Analysis of Bayern Munich's strong performance in the league.

“There's lovely photos on the other side.”

Dealing with Pressure After a Bad Game

28:00 to 29:18

Learn how players cope with the mental struggles following poor performances.

“to just go to Bergamo, be disciplined, get yourself over the line.”

The Impact of Mistakes on Players

29:19 to 31:04

Understand the psychological effects of making mistakes during key matches.

“knowing that they were watching that game in midweek where he had a horrendous game, made a few mistakes.”

Analyzing Bayern Munich's Strengths

31:05 to 33:15

Explore how Bayern Munich's players contribute to the team's success.

“So it's straight back out and, you know, brush yourself down, roll your sleeves up and get on with it.”

Discussing Harry Kane's Impact at Bayern

33:16 to 34:35

Evaluate Harry Kane's contributions and significance for Bayern Munich.

“I think that's why Dortmund have stepped up a touch.”

Mikel Arteta's Title Challenge Pressure

34:36 to 36:59

Delve into the pressures faced by Mikel Arteta in the title race.

“LA doesn't sound bad, but I'm happy here.”

Pep Guardiola's Mind Games

37:00 to 39:05

Learn about the mind games and strategies in football management.

“What do you remember of that time and trying to get over the line and how does that compare maybe to when you were a player going for a league championship?”

Marcus Rashford's Career and Future

39:06 to 41:28

Discuss the implications of Marcus Rashford's potential permanent move.

“Meanwhile, top half of the table is Barcelona against Villarreal.”

Neymar's Performance and World Cup Prospects

41:29 to 43:15

Analyze Neymar's current form and his chances of making the World Cup.

“One reason we're showing you this, really, and this is Neymar, 25 minutes in...”

Concerns Over Player Safety at Matches

43:16 to 43:45

A critique of security measures at football games, especially regarding fan interference.

“Yeah, everyone seems to be playing in black.”

Odegaard's Role at Arsenal

44:37 to 45:40

Exploration of Martin Odegaard's importance to Arsenal and potential transfer discussions.

“Games at Illinois because they played early in the season and made a decent fist of it.”

Norway's Dependence on Key Players

45:41 to 47:28

Discussion on Norway's reliance on Odegaard and Haaland as pivotal players for national success.

“He can't even admit, oh, the guy's dropped.”

Champions League Predictions

47:29 to 48:39

Predictions and analysis of English teams' chances in the Champions League quarterfinals.

“But he has his future at Arsenal, so I don't think there's any chance that he will believe in his summer.”

Playing Under Pressure Before the World Cup

48:40 to 50:59

Insights into how players manage pressure and injury concerns leading up to the World Cup.

“I know Galatasaray are a great side, even though they beat Inter.”

Champions League Match Scheduling Issues

51:00 to 52:55

Discussion on the scheduling of important Champions League matches and its implications.

“Yeah, I will say because I was struggling in Swindon, we were in the Premier League and I was desperate for us to be a part of the 1994 World Cup and this is the 1993-94 season.”

Rosenborg and Norwegian Football History

52:56 to 55:48

A look back at the history and current state of Rosenborg in Norwegian football.

“It's probably money, but it's funny because we used to have the draws and every round have the draws.”

Reflections on Footballing Milestones

55:49 to 56:01

A light-hearted discussion on memorable years in football, including personal anecdotes.

“Well, I was telling Daniel there, when we signed Harold Bratwijk, he was scoring a lot of goals for Rosenberg.”

Nostalgic Football Memories

56:01 to 56:44

The hosts reminisce about significant moments in their football careers.

“Yeah, that was that season I was talking about, the last game of the season.”

The Joys of Early Football Experiences

56:44 to 57:28

Discussion shifts to memorable periods during the hosts' early football careers.

“I thought you might like to go back to it.”

Looking Back on Personal Milestones

57:28 to 57:51

The hosts share pivotal years in their personal lives related to football.

“But going back to that period, that was a fantastic time.”
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0:35Welcome in to the latest edition of ESPN FC. I'm Dan Thomas, joined by Craig Burley. Later on in the show, we'll be looking ahead to De Clasica, of course, this weekend. And we'll be looking back at Haast and Villa are 100 % now out of the title race. We will kick things off, though, with the Champions League draw that was made earlier today. It's a really good draw in the sense that there are no teams from the same country who face off against each other. That's always good in the Champions League. It's excellent if you're an Arsenal fan. They are very much on the easier side of the bracket. They're drawn against Bayer Leverkusen.

1:06Bodo Grint, meanwhile, of course, very much the fairytale side take on sporting. They'll play the winners of Arsenal against Bayer Leverkusen. The other side of that, Newcastle, Barca, Atletico, Madrid, Spurs. But the other side of the bracket, really competitive, very interesting indeed. PSG against Chelsea, repeat, of course, of the World Cup final. Galatasaray against Liverpool. Real Madrid, Manchester City face each other once again. And it's Atalanta against Bayern Munich. For more, let's welcome in, oh no, let's just remind you, sorry, of the odds, no surprise. Arsenal, huge favourites now to go all the way and win their first ever Champions League.

1:41They're supposed to look at the other side of the bracket and feel that Bayern Munich are the favourites there. Liverpool, 17-2, I suppose that's Galatasaray. Well, yeah, you've got a lot of work to do as well from there as well. Ahead of PSG. Yeah, let's welcome in, shall we then? Jan Arger-Fjoltov, Julian Laurent, Craig here. Craig, if you're an Arsenal fan right now you couldn't have asked for a better draw really, could you? Not really, no and, you know, barring a disaster, they should make relatively comfortable work over 180 minutes of Leverkusen and then it doesn't get that much tougher until potentially the semi-finals.

2:19So a really good draw from their perspective, I think if you said to Mikko La Teta, what do you want? Pretty much that's what he would have taken, so you can see a pathway for them. Not trying to get ahead of ourselves. I'm getting ahead of myself, an Arsenal fan. You're thinking Bodo Glynn? Yeah, I know. You're thinking Bayer Leverkusen? I know, but sometimes as a player and a manager, you just... All right, God, this is like manager talk. One game at a time, tough opponents, no easy games in the Champions League. Come on, Burley. It's a gift, it's a lay-up. Well, yeah, it's about as easy as it's going to get for them.

2:55But they've still got to go out and get the job done. I think they will. I think Arsenal are pretty much nailed on at the moment, I would say, to be at least in the semi-finals. And bearing in mind they're the favourites to win the Premier League. And if they go on a run in that competition, they could put that to bed a little bit earlier as well. They should have been a way further ahead than they are in that. So, yeah, I mean, they've got a Carabao Cup final coming up, still in the FA Cup. When are we talking about the quadruple, which we did with Liverpool last year? And it fell flat on its face.

3:27this I think Arsenal fans will be happy is a slightly different situation Jules with your Arsenal allegiance this is pretty you can beat anyone on that side of the bracket comfortably at the moment yeah I think this is very good obviously that's the half we knew one half of the draw would be easier than the other and when you look at them both right now there's one side where you have one former winner of the Champions League out of eight that's the Arsenal side the other side you've got six out of those eight who are previous winners including the the reigning champions, obviously, in PSG. So for Arsenal, that's exactly where you want it to be.

4:01The pathway is certainly to the semi-final and potentially Barcelona, which won't be easy, obviously, with the second leg at the Emirates, because let's not forget, because Arsenal topped the league phase, they're guaranteed to be at home for as long as they are in the competition until the semi-final, obviously. So it's true, semi-final is where they were last season as well. So they have to do at least the same, if not better, obviously. Meanwhile, Jan, you look at the other side of the draw, much harder to predict according to the bookies, though it's Bayern Munich that will make their way to the final throughout everyone.

4:33Absolutely. I just want to say that Bordecai will have the same path as Arsenal. Sorry, Jan. Sorry. So I look forward to the semi-final at another light in North Norway, by the way. So yeah, of course, this is unbelievable. and City against Real Madrid, is it a fifth time or something? I mean, sometimes we think they're doing something with a draw to make it easier, but they try just to do it more difficult than anyone. And for Bayern, wow, this is also a big challenge for them. They're also one of the favourites going in there. But having said that, as Burley, as you called him, Berle start to be like five clichés in one thing.

5:20I will say that you have to win. We have to win again everybody to get into the final. Meanwhile, we'll once again see Real Madrid against Manchester City. These teams, of course, know each other extremely well. Thibaut Courtois said it was going to happen, didn't he, after their win against Benfica. Just a reminder, they already played each other. back earlier on this season. And you go back to last year, Real Madrid had the bragging rights over the two legs. And then the quarterfinal, of course, that dramatic win on penalties. Manchester City with that 5-1 win back in 2023. And then really where it all started in 2022 with that incredible win for Real Madrid.

6:01Jules, did I see you on the Gabin Jules podcast saying you wish this didn't take place? You're bored of these two? Yeah, we did a reaction of the draw with Ogi and Gab for YouTube. But I am. I'm sorry. No, you're not. I'm all for the big games. I wanted the big games. No, I want the big games. But not a game that we've had like a few months ago and last year and the year before and the year before and the year before as well. This is the only thing. I will be very excited like all of us and this Haaland against Mbappe, Guadalupe going back to Spain. There's a lot of great narratives, great stories, great matchups, everything you want.

6:38But yeah, I'm tired of it because every year we have the same and by the way Augie made a good point on the YouTube video that we did earlier whoever loses that it would be a disaster for them I mean I don't care if Arbeloa is their next for Real Madrid to be knocked out in any season in the last 16 of the Champions League is a disaster for the City team and the Guardiola potentially the last Guardiola campaign for City in Europe to be knocked out so early would be a disaster as well if you remember the game earlier this season at the Berne Beto sorry Jan, it was one of Real Madrid's under Alonso's better performances in terms of excitement but only because it was the most bonkers of open games that I can remember Manchester City playing and they really allowed, although Real Madrid lost, they really allowed Real Madrid, if memory serves me right a bit of a foothold in the game because defensively City were just all over the place I mean, I know Real Madrid have got their own issues defensively, but it's the one thing that's going to bite this Man City side in the backside.

7:44Because, yeah, they've got Kylian Mbappe, yeah, they've got Vinicius, I know Mbappe's got a little injury at the moment, and yes, they've got Vinicius, but let's be honest, City have more in their armoury going forward. They're playing better going forward, they have a better group of players in the forward areas to pick from, certainly in better form, but it's their gung-ho attitude at the back that if they approach the games in that manner, then Mbappe and Vinicius can punish them. And as Joe said, they could go spiralling out. And he's unlikely to win the Premier League this year. I mean, he may.

8:18He may win the Premier League, but certainly Arsenal are favourites. And if they go barrelling out of this competition at the round of 16, that is not good. So City have to get the defensive aspect of the game right. If they do that, if they do the basics defensively, they win this tie over two legs, I think. If they don't, this very average Real Madrid side with Mbappe up front, running in behind, getting on to any mistakes, any loose balls, any counter-attacks. If City don't get that right, they could well go out of this competition. But if they somehow learn from that game that they won in the Bernabeu, and I know they won it, if they learn from the defending and the openness in that game, over two legs they'll go through.

8:59Just quick, Jan, before I come to you, what is Mbappe's possibility of playing in that first leg, Jules, given the injury? That's the hope. We mentioned it on the show last night, that knee issue that he's had for weeks and weeks and weeks. Now he needs a rest. He's getting the rest now. He won't play against Getafe this weekend, neither the following weekend. But they're really hoping he could be back for the first leg. Calm down, Italians, all right? But I'm going to say it. Who would Bayern Munich prefer, do you reckon? City or Real Madrid, Jan?

9:33I can conclude on that because I think it's interesting because we are now sitting here discussing who are the favourites now we are still in February we get into March that is the test of the big months in football and for example Bayern now what are the trends now there is a small trend that Bayern is conceding a bit more goals now we know that they've had that trouble before they conceded a bit more than they used to be Davis is out of course what do you do on your left back that is one thing then you've got Arsenal and Arsenal I think I mean yes I think they can get over Leverkusen Leverkusen did all their job in Piraeus against Olympique when they won 2-0 and then they got to Goddard over a line at Bayern Arena but what kind of frame will Arsenal be in the next month will they lose the final who would Bayern prefer Manchester City or Real Madrid no but I'm just saying that because what we can say is We can easily say that on the form now.

10:32I'm looking for which of these clubs will go into these big games and being in top form. And Bayern, yeah, it's one of them. It doesn't matter if they play City or Real Madrid. That is more or less the same. That's more or less the same for me. But I think we should look for trends. This thing that Arsenal can already book their semifinal ticket, I'm not having that. Because Arsenal is playing against a big opposition called Arsenal. They have to win over that thing going into this period now. If they do it, they can go all the way. We all know that. As Jules said, they were in the semi-final last season.

11:06So there is a lot of things happening now. And I think we go a bit easy, just to say, on the present form. Don't you ever go at me at the start of the show with cliches? Don't you ever go at me at the start of the show saying, oh, cliches in one game at a time? Because Arsenal is good yesterday, they're going to win tomorrow. I don't know. Come on. They're playing Bayern Leverkusen and then Bodo Glint or Sporting. I think Bayern would beat, at the moment, or even come the time, I think Bayern, if they play well, would beat City or Real Madrid. Real Madrid have been terrible. I mean, Benfica outplayed them for long periods.

11:49Courtois was man of the match. If you looked at the XG in that game and all that sort of stuff, we see La Liga every weekend a lot of teams out play them, yeah they've got some results recently, yeah they went briefly to the top of the league, but they are not playing well, they are so heavily reliant on Kylian Mbappe and since he's been out, Vinicius who looks a little happier now Alonso's gone but they're just not a well-oiled side, they struggle in the middle of the park, they struggle at the back they've struggled in the full back areas Carvajal's been in, got done by Victor Munoz and they also soon again for pace time and time again.

12:24Trent Alexander comes in in the midweek and gets roasted by the Norwegian winger every time he gets the ball. So they have their issues and we obviously have well-documented Man City's problems in certain areas as well, particularly at the back. And even though, as Jan said, Bayern have dropped a few more clangers of late and a few more goals, from back to front, they are a better outfit at the moment than both of those sides, I think. Let me ask you this. Yeah. What was the score when PSG and Chelsea met in the Club World Cup final? I have absolutely... I knew. I have absolutely no idea. Anyone on the outside?

13:03Any guesses? 3-1. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. What was the score? I'll remind you. Was it 3-0? 1-0. 3-0. 3-0. There you go. But I'll tell you what. Chelsea, I mean, again, shall we go to this one game at a time? Because PSG are not playing as well as they were last year. Last year, they were just, they were hitting third gear, fourth gear. Then they got to five and six. They were absolutely brilliant. That is not the case at the moment. That being said, they're still a better team than Chelsea. if I was a Chelsea player I would take some comfort from the fact that the job they did in Barcelona earlier in the season I wouldn't try and kid myself I wouldn't try and say Barcelona had an off night and all that the Chelsea players are not thinking that they just thought they were brilliant that night we know Barca were terrible we know that's not the real Barca but if Chelsea have a couple of big nights like that they have a chance a chance but if PSG get themselves together and And, you know, they have a very good manager in Luis Enrique that you would imagine he will fix some of the issues that they've been having.

14:21They are the favourites over the two legs. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But they did get a scare last time out against Monaco. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Let's take a look at how the bookies have been set. PSG, of course, looking to defend their title. The first thing to do that since Real Madrid. Chelsea are outsiders, PSG favourites to advance. Jules, I suppose the narrative around PSG is, don't worry. Look what they did last year. They found that extra gear when they needed it. We haven't seen signs of that so far. Obviously against Monaco, they were far from their best.

14:52Is it a case of when you play against bigger boys, as PSG proved last season, they can up their game? I wish it was as simple as that, Dan. But even last season, they already had played better. From January, that game against Manchester City that we quite often take as reference for the turning point in the season. That was mid, early January. I think it was January 9th or 10th. So now we end up February and they haven't showed any of that kind of form. They've got still big injuries. Dembele not being there is a massive blow. The biggest one maybe is Fabian Ruiz. Not because Ruiz is like world class or anything.

15:29It's just that midfield three of Vitinha, Joanevez and Ruiz is just what makes this team very special. Yeah, of course, you've got Dembele who won the Ballon d 'Or. You've got the two wingers and the two fullbacks, obviously. but that midfield three when they are so dominant when they press so well when they are so press resistant themselves I think it's very hard to get a PhD you can't get the ball you can't play out of their press it's very difficult the problem is so far this season is Vitinha right now is far from his best Neves is just coming back from an injury and Ruiz has been out now for more than a month with a knee injury that we thought was not too serious and actually is dragging on a bit and he's not even sure to be there for the first leg, let alone maybe even the second leg of that Chelsea clash.

16:14So without Ruiz, you've got Zairemri, but that means moving Neves to the left-hand side. That means Hakimi is not as covered probably than when Neves is there. So it makes the PSG midfield more vulnerable than when Ruiz is there with the other two Portuguese players. And that, for me, has been the biggest problem this season. Yes, they're a bit tired probably. They finished very late with the Club World Cup and they've had injuries too. But it's how dominant they were in midfield that they're not anymore. And that was a big reason why they were so good collectively as well. And if you take that away from them, the rest is a little bit more difficult.

16:46So I agree with you, they can still raise the level, of course. And I think Ruis Henrique said that after the win against Monaco, the qualification against Monaco. But the Ruiz absence is a big, big one. I'm just wondering, Gilles, you mentioned it there and I was just going to actually bring it up. Is there any talk in France about this potentially as partly a consequence of this ridiculous club World Cup? Because PSG played the Champions League final against Inter, it was early June I believe and then a couple of weeks later they're off playing this stupid competition, they go all the way in that competition is there any coincidence that they've got players who are not as sharp, not pressing as well and players who, key players who played a big part last season are injured?

17:31Yeah, I think Luis Enrique today, I think probably for the first time hinting to a Céline Listen, we had, when you mentioned the Champions League final, by the way, after that, we had an international break, remember, with the Nations League. So a lot of the PSG players then went with the national team, then went to the US for the Club World Cup, then had a week off, and then went straight to the European Super Cup against Spurs in Bergamo, or in Udine. And that was it. And after that, you go along and you try to manage the minutes and the fitness of each player, and you lose players to injury.

18:03I don't think it's an excuse. It's just the reality. It's the same for Chelsea. I think you saw City with injuries because they went not as far but still quite far and I think that was probably a bit of a consequence of the summer that they had really all of them and that's the problem and when you know how much fitness is to this PSG team because they need the intensity they need to be outrunning you and outpressing you if you don't have the fitness side of it it's obviously more difficult God I absolutely despise that competition who's your pick? Who's your pick? PSG or Chelsea? What is Liverpool's excuse?

18:40Did they play in the Club World Cup? They've just been planned. Please have a bit of respect for the world champion, Chelsea. I mean, they're playing PSG. No, I think that PSG will do this. I don't think they will do that. You asked me for my favourite. I thought you will have a serious answer on that. You said don't rule Chelsea out. OK. elsewhere Newcastle take on Barcelona again two teams who have met recently they of course played in the Champions League group stages Barcelona into St James' won by two goals to one let's have a look at how the bookies have this one set oh we don't have the odds I tell you what Newcastle are definitely long I would bet Newcastle in this game over two legs I'll have that bet with you I don't want to bet with you because you want to just give me evens I want proper odds on it Because I just I think de Jong being out is massive.

19:35I think Barcelona defensively are a shadow. Pedri will be back though. Yeah, Pedri back but for how long? I just think overall Newcastle have a fighter's chance in this definitely. Yeah, I agree with you Dan. I will agree with you. I will agree with you. But it depends which Newcastle team it is. I don't think Eddie Howe knows who turns up as well. And I think the way Newcastle play when they are at the upper side of the performers, I think they can fit them very well to play Barcelona. I think that is a good game for them. So you won't have the bet with me, but I can still back you in the bet.

20:12Thank you very much. They've got a puncher's chance. But I mean, come on, Barcelona are probably the favourites to win La Liga. They have much better players going forward than Newcastle. They have players like Rafinha and Laminya Mal and Ferran Torres and Danny Olmo and Fermin Lopez, Lewandowski, they can all turn the game. We know their problems is at the back and I think it's one of the reasons that we'll see Eddie Howe probably going away that he has done recently with Newcastle, which is not play Volta Madder through the middle and has played people like Anthony Gordon to utilise his pace to run in behind.

20:51and I think that is a tactic they will use against the high line of Barcelona. They will look for their paceer players to play through the middle and utilise the mountains of space that Barcelona leave. And that may well work in terms of causing Barcelona problems. But, over two games, this Barcelona side with the attacking flair, even with Frankie de Jong out, you know, Mark Cassado can come in there, And Mark Bernal is back fit again as a youngster. Eric Garcia has played midfield and done well, can go in and sit alongside Pedri in there. So they have options. You know, obviously De Jong is the glue.

21:33And him and Pedri, De Jong and Pedri were the real key to the second half performance at St James' Park. When Newcastle really pressed them and played with a lot of pace, and then those two just stood on the ball and dictated the whole of the second half. So he will be a miss, but I just feel Barcelona are too strong, particularly when Newcastle have to go to the camp now. Jules?

21:57I think it's a very fascinating one because we mentioned the young and Riley so, but Bruno Guimaraes won't be back either for Newcastle. And Guimaraes is probably, with Anthony Gordon, certainly in the Champions League, the most important player in this Newcastle team. With and without the ball and without him, it's not the same at all. And Tonali is probably not still fully free. and Joelinton is just only coming back from an injury. So all that midfield three that for the last two years have been the strength of this Newcastle team, really, and the heart of it and the engine of it won't be there, certainly in a full strength.

22:27So that's probably where the game could be played. But yeah, of course, Newcastle have everything really to exploit the high line defensively from Barcelona, as we saw back in September when they lost. Rashford scored two great goals at St. James' Park. But really, I think on that night, the expected goals were higher for Newcastle. They had more shots on target than Barcelona too. It was just thin margins that made Barcelona win that game, but it won't be easy for them for sure. Jules, one last thing. It's the first time I've seen you with your background. We talk about Frank and his lack of humility.

22:56What does it tell us about you that the biggest picture frame behind you is one of yourself? So this is producer Mike. This is not my doing. I didn't do anything in this. I promise you. I didn't do anything. There's lovely photos on the other side. No, we can't see those. at the top. Me and Mbappe. And me with the Champions League. Can you see? With Ryan with the Champions League as well? Yes. That's me with the Champions League. One day you might leave the Champions League too. I thought it was a young Gerard Depardieu there on the photo. But now I see it as Jules. There you are. Meanwhile, in the double tree in Manchester.

23:35I'm not really one to talk about hairstyles. But I don't think I'd have gone out with that hairstyle Jules had there. A little on the long side, Jules. That is it, Jules. Thank you very much. As Jules mentioned him, Gab and Oggy did a special Champions League draw show over on our YouTube channel. Oh, Gab had to be in the middle. Please. So check that out.

24:01The quest for the Meisterschale. Approaching crunch time in the Bundesliga. And for the challengers, Borussia Dortmund, there is no margin for error. Under Niko Kovac, the Schwarz-Gelben have plenty going for them. Defensive acumen, individual quality and an unstinting mentality that you keep believing until the end. Not to mention a sturdy yellow wall of noise to give added impetus and the largest average home attendance anywhere. Dortmund have lost just once in the Bundesliga this season. That was away to Bayern in October. This incarnation of the Rekordmeister, coached by Vincent Kompany, is rich in flair, verve and dynamism.

24:46A freer scoring Bayern has never existed and it's only a matter of time before they set a new standard for goal scoring excellence in a single season. Fueled by a striker who ranks among the best the Bundeslieder has ever seen. Bayern travel to the bubbling Ruhrpott with an eight point cushion. The onus is on top of home soil to topple them and reinvigorate their push to claim a first league title in 14 years. All roads lead to Der Klassiker.

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25:22On ESPN Plus, wow, if that doesn't get you in the mood, nothing will. We've got you covered, of course, across the globe. We've got a watch party in LA as Borussia Dortmund are looking to close the gap on Bayern Munich to five points at the top of the table. Our TV crew, of course, will be in California. On the sidelines, of course, will be Archie Rintat, who I imagine is very much looking forward to this class, Archie. Oh, big time, Dan, because Borussia Dortmund have to show a performance tomorrow. They have to win this as much as Niko Kovac, their coach, has kind of been on the fence about any cries for the title this season.

26:01He's been more putting his players back in their place when they've when they've dared to mention it. And yet, ultimately, they have to close the gap. Whereas for Bayern Munich, this is a chance for a statement. This is a chance for them before what's going to be a huge final few months of the season to say, look, we are well and truly top dogs here. and given the way that they're playing as of late, who would really bet against them as well? That front three of Kane, Elise and Diaz has really gelled together in such a great way for them this season and just seeing the way that they all seem to complement each other, the kind of decision-making that they have between them.

26:38You fear for Dortmund a little bit given the way that they're wobbling, not just away at Leipzig last weekend, even if they pulled it back to 2-2, but also that performance at Atalanta. It's been dubbed locally as a fiasco and you can understand why. Before we talk about Bayern Munich and what they've done so well this season, Jan, let's reflect on what Borussia Dortmund did wrong midweek. It's inevitable, isn't it, to bring up Ben Sabiani, considering his contribution to Atalanta's victory. As a player in the dressing room, how are you acting towards him the last 48 hours? Because this must just be miserable and something very difficult to get over.

27:17Yes, it is. And I just come from Germany now and I've been reading all the different magazine of papers. They still love their papers in Germany. And this is all over the place. I mean, this is a fiasco for them. And as Archer was saying, they went to Leipzig and we thought they will get a win there to keep that momentum six points away from them and then beat Bayern at home. but then you don't the three. And now Niko Kovac has done a fantastic job. And as it was said, they've only lost once this season away against Bayern. Now they more or less can ruin, quote, ruin their season in one week. 2-0 down in Leipzig, back to 2-2.

27:57Then you expect the Niko Kovac team, then you expect the Dortmund team to just go to Bergamo, be disciplined, get yourself over the line. and then you are 3-1, the serve lived down, and then you got something of a stroke back there and you start doing something in injury time and then you do another stupid thing. So, I mean, as a player, you can think that, okay, it's a fantastic chance now that we are playing in our fantastic atmosphere at Signale Duna Park. We have the chance to beat Bayern. So I think that after a loss like that as a player, when you're sitting there, you think, well, we have the chance.

28:36we can beat Bayern and can somehow repair a bit of the things that happen in Italy. Players have all been there. They've had really bad games. This was a very bad game. You're looking at me. Well, you know, Villa Park, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I've been in that. But what's it like? Honestly, what's it like, though? It depends on the individual, because it's everywhere. It's like Jan says, you're the focus of the 48 hours. You've had a nightmare. You're going into another huge game. No, it really hits a player. It hit me hard, that particular incident at the FA Cup semifinal at Villa Park.

29:12And I really took that into the next league game. I think it was Aston Villa and it was at home. So I'm now, as Ben Sabayini is, he's gone out in front of his own supporters, knowing that they were watching that game in midweek where he had a horrendous game, made a few mistakes. and you can feel that frustration coming through the support and sometimes, and I know this was from my perspective, sometimes you're so keen to make amends that it's crazy to say that you try too hard. You start doing things that are not normal because you're trying to, obviously in your mind, make amends for the bad game that you had.

29:53And it wasn't the only one because if you look at Gregor Cobo there for the penalty kick, what the hell was he doing out there for a cross so he wasn't the only one but I know and there's not a player alive that hasn't had a big game there's not a player alive that hasn't made mistakes it's not happened not one sports person but it is difficult to put it the only way you can put it out of your system is to go out there and have the kind of game that you know you're capable of if you back it up with another one of those and that is possible because you're playing Archie mentioned it, particularly those attacking players around Harry Kane, you could find yourself in a real mire mentally.

30:37I know for me it was really tough mentally because you think you've let all your teammates down. You think you've cost them a cup final, you've cost them this, you've let 40 ,000 supporters down. People might think that players don't think about things like this, but they do. unless they've got no feelings at all. So it would have been a tough week for him. I'm sure he would have wanted a bit of an easier game to get back in his stride, but he hasn't got it. So it's straight back out and, you know, brush yourself down, roll your sleeves up and get on with it. But when you have a night like Ben Subaini had, then you find out about yourself when you've got to go straight back into the cauldron a few days later.

31:20Well, of course, he'll be up against one of the strongest attacks in the world at the moment. Archie mentioned it, the likes of Kane, Alisse and of course Luis Diaz who has been fantastic since making that move from Liverpool. Archie, just tell us a little bit more about that move because obviously when it happened in the summer, I don't think Liverpool fans were shedding too many tears. I'm not sure how excited Bayern Munich supporters were, but boy, he's been a great asset. He has been, Dan. And 13 goals and 13 assists in the Bundesliga, which is more than any season that Leroy Sane delivered in his five seasons at the club.

31:56And I think that's the thing is that Luis Diaz is such a team player that even if Leroy Sane had his moments at Bayern, it's just what he gives to the overall collective structure and what he brings to the party in terms of this chaos, as Vincent Kompany names it, that you look at on the other side, you've got Michael Elisse, who's a little bit more cultured in the way that he's trying to slow the game down sometimes and cut inside and there's a bit more control with that whereas with Luis Diaz sometimes you wonder does he know what he's going to do when he's getting the ball and that's the excitement to it and sometimes he will still fluff the occasional chance but for the most part he does some of the most outrageous things this goal that he scored back in November away at Union Berlin where he squeezed the ball in when Bayern had their backs up against the wall in that game.

32:45And that's the thing about this Bayern team. Even when it looks like they're in a tight corner, they find a way to squeeze themselves out of it. Serge Gnabry's been revived as well, just behind Harry Kane as well in that number 10 role. Jamal Musiala still working his way back to full fitness. And it's all of these things which contribute to this feeling that whilst I think it's difficult to place too much currency on how good Bayern have been this season in the Bundesliga because no Xabi Alonso, Leverkusen from last season and Frankfurt without Hugo Eketike and Omar Mamouch have really dropped off.

33:16I think that's why Dortmund have stepped up a touch. You still think that they are one of the best teams in Europe and have to be making their mark, not just here tomorrow, but also in the Champions League and the rest of the season. Yeah, 100 % of course. Along with Louis Steyr, you've got Harry Kane up front as well, Archie. Putting you on the spot a bit here, but if we were to ask Bayern Munich fans exactly one word to sum him up, what would that be?

33:40To sum up Luis Diaz. Sum up Harry Kane. Ignore that graphic, by the way. That's completely wrong. Those are the odds. We're running to the bookies.

33:51Harry Kane is one word that's been used to describe him. He has been magnificent for them. He is beloved because of his professionalism in front of goal, but the way he carries himself on and off the pitch, he is a guarantee for them. I realise that's quite a few more words, but brilliant, I think, is just the one. OK, then, no matter what the odds are, what are your predictions for this, Jan? I will say this is what Bayern usually do. This is going to be a statement win for them. We are up for a fantastic football game, but still think that they will win 2-1 Bayern. Where would you prefer to be, Archie, tomorrow?

34:32Tom's watch party in L.A. with Jürgen, Ali and Kaye, or on the sidelines?

34:39I love it on the sidelines, Dan. LA doesn't sound bad, but I'm happy here. Just about. Just a reminder. I was a little confused, you know, at the start, because I just automatically thought Archie was in LA, and I thought, it's not dark in LA at 2 o 'clock, is it? 2pm. Now we've got him recovered.

34:59Meanwhile, Friday night action in the Premier League today at Molyneux. Wolves, of course, down. no chance of getting back up into the Premier League this season. Aston Villa, big favourites. There's no doubt that Wolves have improved under Rob Edwards, but it's way too late. I'm strong with the lay-off, but I actually think it was a touch. I think he tries to control it for himself. He's lucky that... Is it Gomez? Gerald Gomez, right place, right time. Aston Villa were terrible. Yeah, they were. We take it into injury time here. Onana shot cleared off the line. And they've got that in them, Villa, and that's why they're probably...

35:41I mean, you mentioned at the top, I mean, it was a long shot to be in the title race, wasn't it? Because they've put too many of these games in them. But they're in a bun fight for the Champions League places. And then on the break, to Gomez's low link-up, Jao into Rodrigo. Yeah. Yeah, it gets a bit lucky here, but yeah. Villa chasing the tail all over the place. So a big Midlands derby goes Wolves way, but it's going to be too little, too little. Absolutely. Of course, Wolves are down. That was only their second win of the season. Meanwhile, at the top of the table, Aston Villa. Have they got enough credit to make sure they finish in the Champions League?

36:18Six clear on Chelsea. It is going to be tight. Very tight as well, with ten matches to go.

36:27Meanwhile, this weekend, Bournemouth Sunderland, Burnley-Brenford, Liverpool against West Ham, Newcastle against Everton. The late game is Leeds against Manchester City. The big match on Sunday, of course, sees Arsenal take on Chelsea. Arsenal at the top at the moment, obviously front runners, big favourites. Pep Guardiola was asked if he had any tips for Arteta. Hi, Pep. You've experienced yourself at Barcelona, what Mikel Arteta is going through right now, that pressure of trying to win a first league title as a manager. I just wonder, what's that pressure like? What do you remember of that time and trying to get over the line and how does that compare maybe to when you were a player going for a league championship?

37:07I don't remember. I'm not here to give advice to Michael. Well done. Jan, I know you love this. I love this. This is brilliant. Why should he answer that? I mean, these mind games that they don't say that they don't care about what the other team is doing. We focus on ourselves. We won't even watch the game. Oh, please, please, please. I mean, this is a mind game. Pep Guardiola is a symbol of the mind game just to be his former boss. You know, and Arteta will know that. He will be desperate to beat his teacher. I think I love that. I love this dramaturgy. I'm doing two games and I'm going to Allen Road tomorrow and doing Arsenal then on Sunday.

37:57And I mean, you just feel every game. It's so tense. Every mistake can kind of cost you the league title or the chance to chase after Arsenal. So I love it. Well done, Pep. And Arteta, please give us an answer in your press conference. Well, he's not going to watch Martin Odegaard playing on Sunday, is he? Wow. Yeah, Jan. Wow. He's out of the team. Did I miss something? Did that journalist ask him, is he any advice for Mikel Leteta? The bit I heard, they asked him, what does it feel like when you're in that position? Yeah, he tried to be clever, Craig. That's what he interviewed. He tried to be clever.

38:35Yeah, what does it feel like when you're in that position? And Guardiola could have went, it's a nightmare. Yeah. And he could have said, Mikel Leteta will not be. He didn't have to give him a visit. He won't be sleeping. He'll be a nightmare. Well done, Craig. I love that. I would have loved that even more. Fantastic. We're waking up in a cold sweat. What was that thing about Martin Odegaard? What was that thing? They missed Odegaard. We're going to talk about Martin Odegaard in fact in extra time. In extra time. Let's save it for them. Save it for them. You can check that out over on our YouTube channel.

39:12Meanwhile, top half of the table is Barcelona against Villarreal. Tomorrow game, of course, you can see live on ESPN+. Barca 10 points clear of Villarreal sitting in third. of course one clear of Real Madrid Craig this of course the first game we've learnt that De Jong will be out for Barcelona, huge blow as we mentioned before we were talking to the Champions League for their running via Real a weird side in that they've done well against lower opposition this season but struggled obviously well they did ok against Real Madrid at home but they're the man sent off so that sort of quelled that and they spun a few chances early on they were horrendous in the Champions League but much better in La Liga but we've seen this before when the likes of Real Betis and others face up to Barcelona or Real Madrid and you think, oh, this is going to be a big game and usually they get three or four goals put past them.

40:01But yeah, I mean, if I was Villarreal, I'd feel quite good about the fact that obviously De Jong's not there, Pedri's just come back, so he's going to be short of some fitness and you can absolutely just, game after game after game after game, you can get it that back four. So it is a potential for Barcelona to drop points. and once again that would leave the door open for this extremely mediocre Real Madrid side to hang on there in this title race so yeah that's a big game is it tomorrow that one? Tomorrow? It's a big game tomorrow that one for Hansi Flick for sure Marcus Rashford meanwhile reports are saying he's going to get a permanent deal they're going to make that move permanent of course currently on loan from Manchester United yeah I mean again I wouldn't be against that but it would be fee dependent you know what I mean I wouldn't be paying king's ransom for Marcus Rashford because we've seen this movie before, haven't we, where he's looked sharp, he's looked hungry, he's looked interested, he's done some good things and then he's fallen off a cliff when he gets what he wants.

40:58Now, he's playing for the move, obviously, and whilst he doesn't play every week, he's certainly had a big impact, as the stats would tell you there. But the worry would be is that once he gets that contract and that move, which looks like it's going to happen, are we going to see the same Marcus Rashford that we saw at Man United and he milks it in because that would be extremely disappointing because this move is he was so lucky to be able to get this opportunity off the back of his attitude and his loan spell at Aston Villa that Bassa gave him the opportunity Hansi Flick gave him the opportunity to be fair he's done well he's now the big question is can he take his career to the next level again or is he going to do what he did the last time take the money and chuck it well as you mentioned in that game live on ESPN Plus tomorrow as Barca look to extend their lead over Real Madrid at the top of the table.

41:51Madrid, of course, in action on Monday. Let's take it to the Brazilian league. Santos against Vasco da Gama. One reason we're showing you this, really, and this is Neymar, 25 minutes in... Is he going to go to the World Cup? Yes, he will. I think Ancelotti will take him. What do you mean, maybe? I said yes. Why do you have to disagree? Pete in my ear. 25 minutes. Neymar makes it 1-0. And there's the Vinicius Junior celebration. Right. Why? Well, because they're mates. Oh, they're mates, yeah. All right. Oh, they're not mates. No, they're not mates. Oh, come on. How bad was that headbutt? Just before the break, though, Baros here will make it 1-1.

42:46However, Neymar, there you go.

42:52Oh, God help me. And then Neymar though would win the game for Santos, making it 2-1 here. Oh, he's definitely going, isn't he? There you are. Definitely going. Ignore the producer in your ear. Yeah. He's definitely going. There you go. He's saying again he's not going. He's backtracking now. Backtracking. Santos 2, Vasco da Gama 1. Meanwhile, Messi in a friendly here. They're both playing in black. Yeah, everyone seems to be playing in black.

43:26See, I don't like this at all. Yeah, I know. You've said this before. I absolutely despise this. The security should be fired. Because you'd never know what can get... you know, instrument, tool, whatever somebody's got, and they come on, all of a sudden you whack a player, Messi or anybody else, you whack him over the edge, you've got some on your jeans, because, you know, some of these idiots can take things into your game, and you can't have these people running onto the field. I don't care if it's Messi or, you know, somebody that we've never heard of. This issue of people coming on, although we don't see it very often, is just utterly wrong.

44:04Now, that's it. That brings us to the end of today's show. of course a lot of action going on this weekend a classic a lot of cliches more cliches from Jan and Craig be sure to stay tuned as extra time is next

44:22welcome in then to the latest edition of extra time Jan where are you Jan is with us today I am in Manchester doing Leeds tomorrow against Manchester City and then off to London Arsenal, Chelsea. Why are you not in Leeds? Or the games at the Etihad? Because I always stay in Manchester. I have that as my base. No, the games at the... Games at the... Games at the... Games at the... Games at Illinois because they played early in the season and made a decent fist of it. Yeah. But I take one extra time at a time, so it's okay, Craig. It's points. If you want any tips on bars in Leeds, I think the gentleman next to me had fun experience there.

44:59I was in Leeds a year ago on a golf trip. Jan, I can tell you we're at a good point of Guinness. Jan, first question is about Chelsea. Arsenal, should Odegaard move away from Arsenal in the summer? If yes, what are his likely destinations? Absolutely not. He should stay. He's a very vital player in that team. I will be so clear to say if he doesn't get fit, they won't win the Premier League because I think he's very important for them to find that balance in midfield. Very important for them. So is he not playing now because he's not fit? I don't think he's 100 % fit and you have the luxury that you can play with the guys who are in there.

45:37You don't have to let him play. Can't even say Eze's name. Can't even say Eze's name. Oh, Eze, I love Eze. No, no, no, you can even say it. By the way, he can't even say it. Of course I can. He can't even admit, oh, the guy's dropped.

45:52By the way, Craig, take down your Declan Rice poster. Come on, come on. Listen, as someone who is genuinely quite excited about how Norway will play at the World Cup, because I think they're a very strong side, and we saw Bodo Glimp do something similar in the Champions League. How worried would Sol Bakken and Norway Norwegian fans be if Martin Odegaard's time was limited at Arsenal between now and the end of the season? I think we can take it so far to say, Craig, that we've been very good in the qualification to kind of cover all the weaknesses. But I think if Stolle Solbach and he will go into church every day to pray for Martin Oedegaard and Erling Haaland He is decisive.

46:36We can say we have a lot of talents going forward But we can't underestimate how important these two players are for us and Hopefully we'll be finished with his injuries now But that that is of course worrying because we are so depending on them But yeah, and what happens if Oedegaard is on the bench for the majority of games now between now and the end of the season I don't think he still plays for Norway No, he always played. I was moving on or moving back, but I was moving away from Norway. But looking at his future, would there not be part of him thinking, well, I need to move on? No, because I think, you know, that is the strength of Arsenal.

47:10I mean, you feel that there is some bonds between these players. And Martin is a very important player there. And this season has been a bit injuries. Remember, this kid started when he was 15. He has already had a very long career. He's played all over the place and at the moment it seems that he doesn't get that out of his system. But he has his future at Arsenal, so I don't think there's any chance that he will believe in his summer. He loves it to be at Arsenal. How many English teams reach the quarterfinals? More or less than three, Jan. Oh, then we have to remember the bracket. Okay, so...

47:49Who's Tottenham got? Tottenham got Atleti. Yeah, they're going out. They're going out. Oh, here we go. This is really helpful. What a big mess. Right. Arsenal, Liverpool have got Galatasaray. Why didn't you just show the graphic? That would have been the bracket. That would have been a lot easier than this. Arsenal. Arsenal is one. We know who the favourites are. We want to see who's playing who. We want a reminder, not this. Okay. Are you talking about... I'm talking to producer Pete. Okay. I thought you were talking to your wife. I would definitely not speak to her like that yet. If we talk to the staff, here we go, here we go.

48:30Because we could have had the chance that we have Chelsea and Liverpool in the quarter-finals. I say we get two teams. Just two? Yeah. Arsenal and Liverpool?

48:46Yes. Arsenal and Liverpool. Arsenal and Liverpool. We'll go there. I think we get three. I think Man City squeaked through. Okay. against them do you think so yeah I mean you know we're watching Real Madrid every week and covering the Liga and they are they are not they have not I mean they've got Mbappe and Vinicius is playing a bit better but you should have I don't know if you saw the Benfica game again they were yeah I saw that yeah they were kind of a little fortunate in that game again so yeah that's a very tight one Liverpool have played Galatasaray already this season that was the Sabozlai penalty that he gave away I can't remember what the score was, but just because of the way Liverpool are playing, that game isn't a foregone conclusion.

49:31I know Galatasaray are a great side, even though they beat Inter. They're not. But Liverpool have been pretty bad this year, haven't they? Yes. Yeah. No, I think Liverpool will get better and better. I think Liverpool will knock out Galatasaray. I saw them against Juventus. I mean, the first game, they had a kind of flow with that home game. There wasn't a 5-2 game, but still, I think Liverpool would be OK. Curious as to what the guys think. With the World Cup on the horizon, did Craig have that in the back of his mind for the first few months of the regular season? Did it impact your decisions to play?

50:09Did you look after yourself more, basically? No, because we were under that pressure cooker of going for a title. and it just so happened to put the year that Rangers were going for a historic 10th title in a row so the supporters were frothing at the mouth because it was going to make history and not in Celtic's favour and it went to the last game of the season so there was no there was no time for rest or feeling sorry for yourself because it was all hands to the pump simple as that plus we won the League Cup that year we got to the semi-final the Scottish Cup we played in Europe in the UEFA Cup against Liverpool so it was a busy year but as much as you do think about injuries when you're playing under that pressure you know the weekend the midweek the weekend again and you're all in it because they're breathing down your neck so you don't you don't have time to say Gafford do you mind if I have a rest for a couple of weeks because you're under so much pressure at your club yeah and where were you ahead of the World Cup.

51:15Yeah, I will say because I was struggling in Swindon, we were in the Premier League and I was desperate for us to be a part of the 1994 World Cup and this is the 1993-94 season. So I was not playing regularly for Swindon Town at that time. So I arranged to go alone back to Norway because I knew I had to play to even be in the squad. I mean, because we had a national coach, there was no chance that he would give any free passenger going over there. So, and then just, I signed a deal with Lillestrom, and then I scored against Ipswich at the FA Cup, and then I scored against Tottenham in the Premier League, and the thing worked out, and I had to cancel that contract back in Norway.

51:59But as Craig is saying, the only thing maybe that you, the injury, you can't think of that, because you're on or off. If you think of injuries, you will be injured. That is a clear thing when you go into that. But maybe you look after yourself even more. I was quite good at doing that, but maybe when you're in a season like this, you know that at the end of the road there is this highlight of World Cup. Maybe you're looking even more after yourself. I just did a quick count there of what I would have said would have been, as a general rule of thumb, the starting XI for Celtic. Nine of them went to the World Cup.

52:35Right. Not all with Scotland. Yeah. Reaper and Vikos went with Denmark. Yeah, we don't need the list. Yeah, I'll give you the list. All right, I don't know. It was nine of the eleven in the general week. Went to the World Cup. There you go. What are the two best Champions League matches on the same day at the same time? Yeah, what's happening with them? So, Real Madrid and City and Paris and Chelsea are both on Wednesday at the same time. Which just... But it's all money, isn't it, Jan? Isn't it all money? It's probably money, but it's funny because we used to have the draws and every round have the draws.

53:07And now when you do the draws, you hear this... Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. It's like Star Wars sound back in the 70s and 80s. And we have no clue how they kind of do this. And of course, that's not good. You like to have spread over the day because you want to enjoy them. But I guess money got a thing to do with it. Because they want it in prime time. That's what it is. Imagine the playoffs. Imagine the NFL playoffs, two games playing at the same time. It's just ridiculous. They never do that. Of course not.

53:36They split the times, don't they? Absolutely. Not just the days. Yeah, because maybe people want to watch both of these matches instead of having to choose one. Yeah, yeah. But there we are. That's never going to change because they want to make the most money. Jan, Bodo lost the league title to Vikings by one point in the recently finished domestic season. Does that mean Vikings are the greatest football team of all time? Vikings is the best team in the world. Imagine how much they would have won against Inter. Yeah. Imagine if they got Sporting in Lisbon. It would have been 5-0. I mean, that is unbelievable.

54:08with a borderline, it's not even the best team we're having. For the first time in a thousand years, we're going to send that out to Vikings again, and we know what happened then. We conquer the world. What's happened to Rosenberg? As somebody who doesn't really look at the Norwegian league table, do you remember Rosenberg used to be the team that had these great Champions League results, and then people used to sort of henpeck their players? Yeah, for those who don't remember, they played in the Champions League 11 or 12 seasons. They had a coach called Nils-Anne Eggen, which was a legendary Norwegian coach.

54:45And a bit like Manchester United or Werder Bremen with Otto Rehagel, a manager is staying there forever. And then you, what, should we go for a copy? Should we go for the total different thing? And then slowly they're losing games, they're losing money, and then they want to go back to the philosophy. Just a fun fact, Bordegliemter and Rosenborg are very similar in the way they play. It's also similar in the way that there are nine of 11 players are Norwegians and just one and a half, maybe two players of them, will play for the national team, as was Rosenborg. And the last fun fact, every Rosenborg player that went abroad, except Jorn Karev, who had good success when he went abroad, they didn't have success abroad.

55:33And that's the same with the Bordecai players because they're so into this way of playing, I think. You see the captain Patrick Berg went to France and played there for five and a half minutes and coming back and now playing Champions League. Same with Haugge, went to AC Milan, winning the Europa League with Frankfurt. So they are gone. Well, I was telling Daniel there, when we signed Harold Bratwijk, he was scoring a lot of goals for Rosenberg. And he did okay at Celtic, but then you're not even known this one. He scored the side of your goal, didn't he, Craig? Yeah, that was that season I was talking about, the last game of the season.

56:08He did score that goal, so he'll be remembered for that. I played with a lot of Norwegian players. There was another one, Bjorn Otto-Bragstad. Wow, yeah. Rosemorgaswell. Here we go. Alright. Oh my God, all the Norwegian. Okay, last question. Let's go on. Should you stumble upon a DeLorean that can go back in time, which year would you be returning to? Would you do 98? What do you mean? Football or life? So you can go back to any year you want. 98, World Cup, Celtic. That's a good year. That was a good year. Yeah? That was a very good year. Yes? That was a very, very good year. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm thinking.

56:45I thought you might like to go back to it. 1971. Why? I was one.

56:53You've grown your first teeth. You're excited. Didn't last long. Jan? Well, there wasn't one. I think it was the 1996 season when we went from Middlesbrough, when we came there, the optimism, going from Ayrson Park, going into Riverside Stadium. First game of the season, we beat Chelsea 2-0. I scored a Buss-Aldring goal. I was the second one. And it was a fantastic time and we got all the players in. We got Juninho in. And then, unfortunately, we got Ravanelli in and then I was off. But that is another story. I was leaving there. But going back to that period, that was a fantastic time. Yeah, very good.

57:33All right, great stuff. They're going up, Borough. They are going up. Yeah, but at two home games, I couldn't win. All right, there you go. Yeah. Okay. 1999, I think I'll go back to. First year of university. That was a lot of fun. Oh. Or 2005, first year in Madrid. That was also a lot of fun. That's it. That brings us to the end of today's show. ESPN FC returns tomorrow. I should stay there. Well, there we are.

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