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19:39Stewart Robson:It's a real problem. But as Rhys James explained, you know, he's always a different player. He's never the same, let's say. and that's something that you have to sort out so I think they try but Oneto is mostly the first one when it comes to complain to the ref so he got a very yellow card and nobody saw that and that's why I didn't see why he gave another yellow card and a red card and said what's wrong with the ref but again the tackle, I always say to the forward players don't try to tackle, it's a skill You don't have that talent. You're not good at it. And you have to be careful with that.

20:19Stewart Robson:It's dangerous for the opponent's legs because you can break legs because you don't know how to do it. And that's insane. And somebody says, stupid. That was a stupid tackle. It should have carried on. But some people are saying that. And you see Olivier Dacour, a former Everton player, said, forward players are lazy. So they try to tackle like that. It's over. If they miss, it's okay. It's up to the defenders to sort out the problem. But it's true. He should have carried on with Martinelli and tried to block him, but not tackle. And he should have been able to do that. But, yeah, the disciplinary issue is a real problem.

20:56Stewart Robson:And they have to try to calm down, to stop complaining, except the captain after all, because it's been the main concern for Chelsea. If you cannot finish every game, you know, 10 against 11.

21:10Shaka Hislop:Chaka, I know you're a neutral in this one, but this yellow card and then the red card, of course, for Netsho, particularly annoyed you.

21:16Frank Leboeuf:Because they were stupid. If you're on a card, you cannot make that challenge. You're one and one with Martinelli, wide on your right, arse is left. Okay, Martinelli is quick, but you're on a yellow card. You cannot make that challenge. You've got to stay on your feet. Otherwise, that's exactly what's going to happen. And what was even just as frustrating is that he had the nerve to argue about it for quite some time. That is as clear a yellow card as you will see. Now, Frank said his first yellow was for arguing with the ref. So I missed that. Is that right? I missed it during the game. So he got his first booking for arguing with the ref.

22:00Stewart Robson:Now, you know what's more frustrating than that second yellow card?

22:05Frank Leboeuf:more frustrated than trying to make some kind of a show of it picking up a booking for arguing with the referee you're in a derby top of the table derby you pick up a yellow card for arguing with the referee and those those are the things if you mistime a challenge fine if you think i have to bring martinelli down otherwise because he's going to go by me and he's one and one so let me take a booking here fine you cannot in these kinds of games with all that's at stake for you and the opponent you cannot pick up a booking for having the referee you simply can't and and i so that almost overshadows the second yellow in terms of just pure stupidity and i i again i'm not sure how we have to argue.

22:55Stewart Robson:Shaka, you're a wise person and we all know that you can keep your calm down. That was a very high, hot temper. So you can get a yellow card because you argue with the ref and say something to the ref and get a yellow card. But you cannot, what I want to say when I go with you, is you have to do like two minutes after, you cannot make that tackle then. That you have to be clever enough to say okay, I was stupid before. I'm not going to be stupid twice. So I'm going to deal with it and go with the flow. So you can have a hot temper because you get frustrated and it doesn't work, blah, blah, blah.

23:30Stewart Robson:But you have to calm down and after see what you have to do. And clearly Neto, that's impossible. You cannot do that. It's impossible. Either way, you cannot do that.

23:40Shaka Hislop:Well, Jules, hearing that Neto just didn't know he was on a yellow card already, but that almost makes the situation more comical.

23:49Dan Thomas:Absolutely. That's what I was going to say. I mean, there's two things here. Because you first say to the referee, this is my first foul. And you see him saying, this is the first one, first one. It's actually his second foul. But it doesn't matter so much if it's your first foul or not. A foul like that is a yellow. Whether you already have a yellow or you don't, this is in every single day, every league, every country, whatever, this is a yellow. So first, second, tenth, twentieth, it doesn't matter. Then, how can you not know you're on a yellow card? and that's the second part of the argument where the whole Chelsea team actually, if you see, if you look at it again come to the centre circle when they're about to kick off again and even Rich James saying to the referee but he didn't know he was on the yellow I don't understand how at that level when you've got 11 Chelsea players on the bench plus the whole bench, the staff, everybody watching the same game not like us on television where we just have what the TV is showing us obviously, but then have the whole pitch that they can see how can you not know you've been on the yellow How can you have not seen the referee literally taking his yellow card out of his pocket and showing it to you?

24:53Dan Thomas:How? Or somebody telling you, actually, well, maybe you turn your back when the referee, which we can see sometimes, somebody said to you, don't forget, you maybe didn't see it, but you're on a yellow. At halftime, maybe Liam Rossini, a staff member, anybody saying, don't forget, you're on a yellow. Maybe you didn't see it. We're not sure. So how is that even possible?

25:11Shaka Hislop:All right. Well, let's get some percentages now. That's very important.

25:14Stewart Robson:Sorry, Alexi. Alexi I'm very sorry but I'm going to jump on that because I used to say to my teammates and I remember that because I was at the back and I was singing man you got a yellow card calm down you know just breathe I know it's hard but just breathe that's a duty you have to have you have to be as a you have to have sorry as a teammate and Julian that's a very good point how come the others didn't say hey Neto calm down you know you just got a yellow card because that's a reflect that we have to have and that's impossible what they've done is impossible

25:44Shaka Hislop:Alright, well let's get some percentages now in terms of winning the league once again. Our Don Hutchison is another. Stevie, let me start with you. Percentage now for Arsenal to win it.

25:54Frank Leboeuf:I think it's 50-50.

25:56Shaka Hislop:Still?

25:56Frank Leboeuf:I think so. Even though there's, what?

25:59Shaka Hislop:Five points clear.

26:00Frank Leboeuf:Five points clear. I think it's 50-50. I, right now, have more faith in Man City. Really? In terms of going forward attacking-wise than I have on Arsenal. And we've been talking about it in the lead-up to this game. Recently, Arsenal have been letting in goals. And Raya has had to do more and more game after game after game. So that really isn't a recipe for winning, what, nine games that they've got left. So I think it's 50-50. Only because they've got a five-point gap, which will probably end up two when City play the game that they have coming up. Yeah, as much as City do host Arsenal later on this season, I still feel the odds are in Arsenal's favour because of that five-point gap.

26:54Frank Leboeuf:I'm going to say 60-40 or in typical fashion, I'm going to go 62-38.

27:00Shaka Hislop:62-38, okay. Jules, what about you?

27:06Dan Thomas:60-40, I've been saying it for the last few weeks because Gab is obsessed with percentages as well. So 60-40, I think, is fair.

27:14Shaka Hislop:He's sticking with it. Frank?

27:18Stewart Robson:Yeah, I agree with Xhaka and Jules. 60-40 because, you know, a game like that shows that they are lucky. And you need chance. You need to be lucky in order to win a title. And it tells me that, you know, you would have signed. Even if they weren't good today, there is a sign that they are lucky. So I have to give credit to that. So 60-40.

27:40Shaka Hislop:60-40.

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29:35Shaka Hislop:Manchester United took on Crystal Palace at Old Trafford in the Premier League and it was the visitors who would take the lead in just the fourth minute thanks to a goal from La Croix. But then La Croix would go from hero to villain after he got a red card for what some may think was a controversial tug on Mateos Cunha. Manchester United were then awarded a penalty that Bruno Fernandes was able to convert. And then a stunning header from Benjamin Szczesko would give Manchester United the lead and all three points. Let's have a look at what Oliver Glasner, the Crystal Palace gaffer, had to say after the game.

30:10Shaka Hislop:And he said, the red card changed the game completely. I think it's a very hard decision. The foul starts outside the box. Mateus Cunha is very smart to wait until he is inside the box to fall down. Now, this may not come as a surprise to anybody here on this panel, but there is somebody that has an issue with that red card, and that somebody is Frank Labeouf. So, Frank, the floor is yours.

30:36Stewart Robson:Thank you very much. Well, I have no issue if there is a foul for the referee in that matter to give a red card because, yeah, the foul is inside the 18-year-old boy because we can see Lacroix putting his foot on the line, and the line is part of the 18-yard box, so I have no issue to give a penalty and a red card. If there is a foul, and for me, there is no foul. There is a contact, and I'm sorry, even you, Alexi, if I put my hand and my arm on your shoulder, will you fall? Tell me, will you fall? I think I would fall. If there was a box, I would fall. Yeah, because you pretend, you will pretend.

31:23Stewart Robson:So you will pretend. But look at that. Look at that. He's pulling them back. Look.

31:29Frank Leboeuf:He's pulling them back. Look. Where? What do you mean, where? Where? You're having a laugh. Where? Where do you see? You need to get your glasses on. He has his hand.

31:37Stewart Robson:He has his hand on his shoulder. No, no, no. He has his hand on his shoulder. His hand is past his shoulder.

31:44Frank Leboeuf:His hand is absolutely not on his shoulder. His hand is over his shoulder.

31:48Stewart Robson:His hand is there. So you're seeing Stevie. Stevie, I'm putting myself on the side to make sure you understand. So if I do that to you and we walk together or we run, do you fall? Do you fall? Do you have a problem?

32:01Frank Leboeuf:So are you telling me that he's just leaning on him? He's just leaning his hand on him for what?

32:08Stewart Robson:For a casual rest. Yes, exactly. Well, don't... Because Lacroix knows... He's gone. He's passed him. Frank, he's passed him. Well, you don't want to see the reality of it. The reality is it's a great call. It's why he just put and he doesn't grab. At first, he's tried to grab, but he's outside. But when he's inside, he stops grabbing. He's just putting his hand. And his hand doesn't make you fall. I'm sorry, I'm going to put myself like that. My hand doesn't make you fall. Doesn't make you fall, Mr. Nichols. Never, never you're going to fall because you're a strong guy. because I know, but that's the football that I see now.

32:49Shaka Hislop:That made me a bit emotional because I don't think I've ever thought I would reach the day where I saw Stevie Nichol defend a call for Manchester United. But Jules, you almost looked at that. You defended it so passionately. You're right twice. We already have a team. Let's go to Jules because Jules was looking, I don't know if he was amused when they were going at it or what did you think, Jules?

33:15Dan Thomas:I thought it was a bit soft. I won't lie. I agree in a way with what Glasner is saying. No, I think that's fine. Acuna is smart. He falls down. The referee, from the way he's seeing it, I think he can think that it's a foul. He gives it. There's probably not enough then for VAR to intervene and turn it around, by the way. And that's it. We've seen them many given. I don't think if it's given, again, I don't think VAR overturns it and gives the penalty. so this is one of those where I think Lacroix is probably a little bit naive and as much as we love him with Frank on this case he's maybe a little bit naive and to be fair he's in the wrong position at the start of the move anyway and then from a Cunha point of view I think he plays it well he's smart but I can see the frustration from Frank who's had a nightmare with penalties this week if you think about the Dortmund one against Atalanta and the Ben Sebaini one and today he was clearly not happy and I can see the frustration from them from a United point of view I think Cunha would feel a bit smirk and smart.

34:16Shaka Hislop:Well, they always say that goalkeepers are the most level-headed. So let's go to Xhaka. Xhaka, right or wrong call?

34:21Frank Leboeuf:It's the right call. Everything about it was the right call. See, and what did I tell you? In my opinion. And listen, I think there are a number of factors in this. Cunha spins La Croix, clearly. La Croix starts to hold. His arm stays on him. Now, if you want to argue, maybe Oliver Glasner wants to argue that it should have been given outside the box, fine. That's an argument you can have. But as the law is written, if the foul starts outside the box and continues inside the box, it should be given inside the box. Whether it's enough for Cunha to go down or not, again, you could debate. But we see strikers do this time and time again.

34:52Frank Leboeuf:You make sure you hit the deck and give the referee something to call. Make him make a call. And that, for me, is just good striker play. You make the referee make a call.

35:07Stewart Robson:You exactly put the point on what I wanted. it's a debate whether it's strong enough or not. That's the debate. I don't deny the foul. If there is a foul, I just debate the fact that there is no contact. There is no contact. No, there's contact. There's contact. Let me ask you a question.

35:25Frank Leboeuf:Let me ask you. Frank, let me ask you a question. It's just for contact. Please, please, as a defender, you were a defender as well as I was. Why are you putting your hand on the opposition's over his shoulder anyway and not think the referee's going to give a foul against you. I couldn't walk off in all good conscience when my coach says, by the way, what were you doing with your hand on his shoulder anyway? Because if your hand wasn't on his shoulder, then the ref doesn't have a decision to make. That's the whole point. As a defender.

35:57Stewart Robson:It's just for contact. Don't be putting your hands over his shoulder.

36:02Frank Leboeuf:It's really simple. Then the ref can't give a penalty.

36:07Stewart Robson:It doesn't matter. It is the contact strong enough power enough to put somebody down So Cunha is exaggerating well done to him clever guy as you said, but he's exaggerating because otherwise never Never again you fall when somebody puts your his hand on your

36:26Frank Leboeuf:The question you are the answer to Frank's point here is it's not whether it's enough for him to go down where it's enough to slow him up so he doesn't get to the ball before Henderson. And once Cunha feels he's being slowed up, then, as we said time and time again, you see strikers go down. As you've seen time and time again, when strikers don't go down and they don't get the call, people like us in studios much like this say, oh, well, he should have gone down. That's just how the game goes now. The other aspect to this that I want to discuss, because Jules mentioned, I don't think the referee made a call.

37:01Frank Leboeuf:I think this is the same referee that did the Villa-Newcastle game in the Cup the other day.

37:06Shaka Hislop:Kavanaugh, yes.

37:07Frank Leboeuf:It was an absolute shambles then, but he just made a call and then just walked away. And this is beyond the foul, beyond whether it was a red court or not. This is about officiating games. How do you just make a call and walk away and wait for the VAR to tell you what to do one way or another? I don't think he made a call. And again, that's more about the referee and how poorly... I don't want to say he handled the game poorly, but that incident in its entirety was handled very poorly for me.

37:38Shaka Hislop:All right, we will agree to disagree on this one because I want to push on and talk about Benjamin Chesco. Frank, I gave you the floor. Let me see if I can squeeze another compliment out of Stevie Nichol about Manchester United. But Stevie, he feels like he's turned over a new league. What's changed?

37:53Frank Leboeuf:Michael Carrick. That's what's changed.

37:56Shaka Hislop:As simple as that.

37:56Frank Leboeuf:I think since Michael Carrick came in, the way he's handled Cesco, the way he's handled him in terms of when he brings him off. When he's come off the bench, he's been coming on when Manchester United are actually pushing forward and are dominating the game. And that's great for any centre forward, never mind Cesco, to the point where now he's comfortable starting them today. And he gets the reward for handling this guy the right way. I mean, that's a world-class header from a centre forward. You absolutely dream of that. Old school, as you said. Old school, great ball. Get in front of your defender.

38:33Frank Leboeuf:As soon as it hit his head, there was never any doubt where the ball was going. So, listen, you've got to credit Sesko, yes. But I think a lot of the credit has to go to Michael Carrick, the way he's handled him. So, maybe two, maybe three months ago, we did a segment on here, rating strikers. And when Sesco came up, my response was, who?

38:53Shaka Hislop:Yep, yes, I remember that.

38:55Frank Leboeuf:And then all of a sudden, so I say all that to say is, your credit goes to me for criticizing Sesco. And Sesco turning things around. That's what it is.

39:06Shaka Hislop:Oh, Shaka. It's me. Pickles, so fickles. Jules, well, if Benjamin Sesco continues like this, Jules, it's looking like money well spent. But I mean as Stevie said the main thing that's changed is this that Michael Carrick has come in and Ruben Amirim has gone out

39:25Dan Thomas:Yeah, I mean, I know it feels sounds very simple and simplistic And it is more to it obviously than just that but what Carrick has done since taking over really even in terms of Going back to basics practically going back to a 4-2-3-1 that everybody was very familiar and comfortable with compared to Amorim used to do before which we described so many times on the show we don't need to go again Putting players in the right position. Okay, Mainu back. Okay to some extent Maguire back I'm not a big fan as you know, but to be fair. He's been very solid They wrote their luck a little bit maybe at times, but they also showed a lot of character and In more recent games to go back when they were behind at West Ham to get that draw from Cesco to find a way to beat Everton, for example, on Monday.

40:16Dan Thomas:Today, they go behind. And yeah, of course, the red card changes a lot of things. But still, they come back from behind to go and win this game. It's massive. I think when he took over, they were 11 points behind Villa. 11 points behind Villa. And now, five weeks later or six weeks later, they're above them in goal difference, but they're level with them now in terms of points. It's incredible what happened in seven games. And obviously, what helps massively, but that also helped Amorim and he didn't make the most of it, is that they don't play in Europe. They have one game a week. They've had one game a week since he took over because they were not in the FA Cup either, to be fair.

40:51Dan Thomas:So it's a long week to prepare, to rest players, get ready for the next game and then go again. And he's made the most of it.

40:59Shaka Hislop:Just give him the job already. Give him the job already. Fulham went up against Spurs in yet another London derby. And Fulham managed to walk away with all three points thanks to two goals from Harry Wilson and Alex Iwobi. Richarlison pulled one back from Spurs, but it was not enough. And this is where Spurs find themselves after yet another defeat in 16th position, four points ahead of the relegation zone. Stevie, you said wow when we looked at that, because it is pretty surreal to see Spurs that close to the drop.

41:30Frank Leboeuf:Yeah, and for 60 minutes, they looked as though they were going to get relegated. I mean, at 2-0, Smith-Rowe was one-on-one with the keeper. Cleaned through, and Vicario came up with a save. Otherwise, this game would have been done way before it was. But the changes after an hour completely turned the game around. And I guess the only positive for Spurs is that in that last half an hour, they actually looked as though they had some desire, they had some character, they went forward. But, you know, Fulham were hanging on at the end, put them under a lot of pressure. So that's the positive from this game and this performance.

42:11Frank Leboeuf:But the bare bones of it is, is it's another loss. And if they continue to start games the way they did in this one, then they will continue to lose games. Because they were awful. Absolutely awful.

42:25Shaka Hislop:Jules, just having a look at the Spurs starting XI and seeing some names there. I mean, it's hard to believe that. Can they really be in a bit of a fight for survival?

42:36Dan Thomas:I absolutely. I mean, to be fair, they should have been 4-0 down even before Richarlison scored that goal anyway. So you saw the stats, you saw the expected goals. There was just no match at all. And where I'm disappointed. And we said it after the North London derby last week as well, because they don't really understand Tudor's plan in that game and the fact that he only went with two attacking players. For me, it didn't make sense. Today, this is a guy That he was born in a back three, right? Literally, he was born, you know, at the hospital He was born, he was a back three All his life, he was back three as a player All his life as a manager, he was a back three His second game in charge at this club When he's got players available on the bench We saw Denso coming on in the 90th minute I don't know why And then he reversed to a back four Where he's never played I think the stats is 98 % of his games as manager With a back three and 2 % with a back four and what does he do in his second game in charge, away from home in a London derby against a good team like Fulham?

43:31Dan Thomas:He goes to a back four, which is not him. So already the guy is kind of betraying his own ideas, his own philosophy, his own methods. All they did this week at training was beep test. This is all they did. Somebody was telling me twice a day, that's it, they were running like this. We saw it today. Yeah, okay, you run, good for you. Maybe you had a bit more energy. Good for you. You were atrocious for an hour. Atrocious. That explains. I didn't know that, Jules.

44:01Frank Leboeuf:That explains.

44:02Dan Thomas:I don't know, Steve. I don't know what to say. It does.

44:04Frank Leboeuf:That explains it. What do you think is going to happen if you run the guts out of your players and then you come on up in Derby where you need to have your energy up and your strength and your sharpness, but you've run the guts out of them during the week? I mean, seriously. That makes no sense at all.

44:22Shaka Hislop:Well, let's go back to our level-headed goalkeeper in Xhaka. Xhaka, more percentages here now. Give me a percentage that Spurs goes down.

44:29Frank Leboeuf:Oh.

44:33Frank Leboeuf:When that Spurs goes down, I think it's at 20%.

44:38Shaka Hislop:Oh, okay.

44:38Frank Leboeuf:There's still some daylight between themselves and, who's it, West Ham in the bottom three.

44:44Shaka Hislop:Forest below them as well.

44:46Frank Leboeuf:Yeah. 20%. I just feel like they do escape it.

44:54Shaka Hislop:All right. So Shaka's going for a low 20%.

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47:18Shaka Hislop:It was Derby Day in La Liga for El Gran Derby. Israel Betis hosted Sevilla in this one. And in the 16th minute, Betis found themselves in front thanks to a nice little bicycle kick goal from Anthony. Then they would double their lead through Álvaro Fidalgo after a nice bit of play and passes from Betis. And it was smooth sailing for the home side until the 62nd minute when Alexis Sanchez pulled one back for Sevilla. And then a stunning rocket of a finish from Isaac Romero would see Sevilla level the game as both sides would share the spoils in this one. All right, well, Jules is still with us.

47:56Shaka Hislop:And look who is joining us from the Estadio de la Cartuja. Sid Lowe, after making quite the voyage from Oviedo to Andalusia overnight. But, Sid, this was a true derby.

48:08Dan Thomas:Yeah, this was. It was a lot of fun. Four brilliant goals. Absolutely brilliant goals. The atmosphere in this place was amazing. We got a little bit of confrontation, which you always get in a derby as well, because, of course, when Isak Rometo scored that goal, he went running to the corner in front of the Betis fans. Well, I suppose the whole ground is the Betis fans really pulled off his shirt. People were piling in. And, you know, that's the kind of thing that we're supposed to say. We don't like this. But of course we do. It's part of it. And the derby was brilliant. And both teams go home, I think, thinking that they possibly could have won it.

48:38Dan Thomas:Both of them.

48:39Frank Leboeuf:Did you say a voyage? A voyage? Yeah. Was it on a roadboat? I think all that. He's been bagging on. He's been bagging on about how he had to go from Oviedo up in the north to Seville down in the east. But bagging on. He's not stopped talking about it.

48:53Shaka Hislop:I think he considered taking a boat down. It was that far. But you know what? That's why we pay him the big bucks. All right. Well, let's talk about Real Madrid, shall we? Because they are in action tomorrow in some more La Liga action. They go up against Getafe. But Jules, a lot of focus is on Kylian Mbappe. it. We know that he's not going to play in this one, but now reports are suggesting that he may be a doubt, at least for the first leg of the round of 16 in the Champions League. What do you know? What's the latest?

49:19Dan Thomas:Yeah, he had more x-rays earlier this week on that knee injury that he had back at the beginning of December. It's a long time. Remember, we said it, I think, on the show together the other day on Friday. He played with the injury, with the pain. Not that the injury could get worse, but it was still not 100%, but playing, playing for the team, etc, etc. The problem is now it got to a point where it's really painful and you need a rest, really. So they thought, hopefully, the first diagnostic was 10 days off. Now it looks more like three weeks, maybe even four. So that obviously means that the first leg of the last 16 against Manchester City, which is in two weeks now, well, less than two weeks, is probably very unlikely now.

49:59Dan Thomas:and even the second leg, which is the week later, because we'll be in back-to-back Champions League week, it's probably going to be a bit difficult.

50:06Shaka Hislop:Sid, that's not news that Real Madrid would want to hear.

50:11Dan Thomas:No, it's not. 38 goals this season, Kylian Mbappé, more than 50 % of their Champions League goals, the top scorer in the hole in the Champions League. There's been moments where we've looked at Real Madrid and we've analysed them in broader terms and wondered about the fit with him and Vinicius and so on. But when you take a step back, the performance level of Kylian Mbappé has been so high. There's one or two slight criticisms, I think, about the management of this injury, whether Real Madrid could have dealt with it quicker, whether he maybe could have stopped sooner. But it's a massive, massive loss from their point of view.

50:40Shaka Hislop:All right, well, sticking with Real Madrid, you'd remember that they were involved in quite the spicy last Champions League game where there was an alleged racist incident between Gianluca Prestiani and Vinny Jr. Well, Jose Mourinho had this to say, I absolutely condemn any type of discrimination or prejudice. If you prove that my player did not respect these principles that are mine and those of Benfica, this player's career with coach Mourinho and Benfica comes to an end. I won't look at him the same way again, and it's over with me. After the game, I did not want to wear the white shirt of Real Madrid or the red of Benfica.

51:15Shaka Hislop:I'm not a lawyer, but I am not an ignorant either. Is the presumption of innocence a human right or not? All right, well, where do we start with this one, Stevie? You're shaking your head.

51:29Frank Leboeuf:I'm absolutely dumbfounded. The player himself has come out and said, he said homophobic words. So, does that not fall into...

51:40Shaka Hislop:Well, the reports are that he has said it.

51:43Frank Leboeuf:If that is correct, then absolutely that falls into what he's just said about discrimination or prejudice, 100%.

51:52Shaka Hislop:Jules, could you shed some light on exactly what was confirmed that Prestiani said or what he has put forward that he has said? Because we know that UEFA did open an investigation.

52:02Dan Thomas:So the latest, and that might not be the latest latest, but the latest, I'm with TV that said that it was not racist, it was homophobic, as if that made it better, by the way, which is again, completely stupid from his part. From a Marine point of view, for me the damage was done anyway. I don't really care what he says anymore. It's too late. It is too late. His reaction on the night of the game, where he completely decredibilized himself, and Arthur was an appalling reaction from him, what he said after that game, pretty much to the whole world, because he kept banging on it in all the post-match interviews, press conferences, etc., etc.

52:38Dan Thomas:The damage he's done is too late. He lost a lot of credibility, I think. I think he lost also a lot of what made him a bit special before, because that was a terrible reaction from him. I know he's one of your players, but still. And even that statement from him, that means he doesn't believe what Vinicius is saying, basically. That's what he means. Since when? Why is he not believing Vinicius? So he's basically saying Vinicius is lying. And I just don't understand Mourinho's... I don't even understand, a bit like Stevie just said, what this latest statement is about, really.

53:13Shaka Hislop:Yeah, slur is a slur, Shaka. Discrimination is discrimination. What do you make of what Mourinho's have to say?

53:17Frank Leboeuf:As far as UEFA goes, as far as FIFA goes, there's no kind of difference in terms of the punishment and what may be coming Presiani's way. I say may be coming kind of maybe presumptively, given both of their records. As a statement goes, I don't really have that much of an issue with this statement as a standalone statement, if this was made on the night. But Jules is right. Right. Given what Mourinho said repeatedly the night of the game, and again, I understand you're trying to defend your player in that circumstance, but there are ways to do that. This was the way to do that. This was the way to do that on the night.

53:57Frank Leboeuf:I think you lose your credibility. You lose all your moral high ground in what happened. So now this to come, what, a week, 10 days later, it really is kind of papering over the cracks. and I don't think anybody's falling for it. What now comes of this is if, again, it's reported what Prestiani has said, we'll see what the full report reveals, and Benfica act on that full report if it does confirm what's reported here, and Benfica takes strong and decisive action, that's the only way Benfica as a club and Jose Mourinho as a manager regain any credibility. because as of right now, I'm not sure that they have much left.

54:43Frank Leboeuf:It really comes down to, and if this reporting, and what Presiani's words, if this reporting is accurate, Benfica, FIFA, UEFA, Jose Mourinho only have one action to take and it has to be strong, decisive, anything less, everybody loses credibility.

55:03Shaka Hislop:Sid, do you agree that the damage is already done?

55:07Dan Thomas:well as Shaq was saying there that this statement had it been the original one we we we would we would deal with it differently we would think about it differently had this been the original statement because Mourinho is saying something very very direct there he's saying this player does not respect those values that we take seriously he doesn't play for us anymore now if that had come out straight away I think we'd all be saying well that's the way to deal with it that's the way that Benfica as a club have to deal with it they have to say these are our values these are the values we stand by when we get to the get to the truth of this if that's the case then then it ends unfortunately of course that wasn't the the nature of it and and we've not yet had Mourinho because Mourinho could have come out and tried to that thing he was saying about Vinicius's celebration he had the opportunity to maybe say look I didn't mean that the celebration justifies racism but he never he never even got to that point he never even got to the point that's not what I meant and so yeah I think I agree with Jules and Shaq that that it feels like Mourinho doesn't really have a way back, I don't think.

56:04Dan Thomas:I think maybe Benfica do, if this is proven, and if they act in this way, then we could be looking at them and saying they're the only club to have acted this decisively against their own player, because I'm not aware of a place where a club has done so.

56:17Shaka Hislop:All right, well, from a nasty incident to what was a brilliant performance from La Minha Mal just yesterday as Barcelona defeated Villarreal by four goals to one, and that was powered by a stunning performance from Laminia Mal, who got his first career hat-trick.

56:38Stewart Robson:He's nicked away by Fermin, and he slid it through to Laminia Mal. It's just the opener. Yes, it is! Clinical. Ruthless. Laminia Mal dancing through challenges.

56:51Frank Leboeuf:Oh, it's so, so special, as it so often is. The 18-year-old with the world at his feet.

56:59Stewart Robson:He is simply impossible to defend. Laminya Mao on a hat-trick and gets his hat-trick. Three absolutely scintillating strikes from Laminya Mao.

57:15Shaka Hislop:Stunning stuff there from the 18-year-old. We'll just have a look at what that hat-trick meant. He's now the youngest to score a hat-trick, at least in this generation of La Liga, because the others were back in the 30s. I believe Stevie probably was around back then.

57:30Frank Leboeuf:What? Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. I just felt unnecessary.

57:35Shaka Hislop:Just one jab. Just one jab. Just one jab today. He's so nice to Manchester United.

57:39Frank Leboeuf:He took it back. He took it back.

57:41Shaka Hislop:Just give me the one jab. All right. But the big question is now, Sid, is can Barcelona do la remontada? Can La Minna Mal inspire them to what is going to be or what they need to be a big performance against Atletico de Madrid in that second leg of the Copa del Rey semis. They have to overturn that four-goal deficit. Can they do it?

58:02Dan Thomas:Well, look, rather than giving an answer, how about I pick up on your question and say, isn't it amazing that we're in a position where a team like Atletico Madrid won the first leg 4-0 and we're wondering, genuinely wondering, if there's a way back for Barcelona. And we're looking at how Barcelona played at the weekend and that performance from Laminya Mal. And we're thinking, you know what? It is possible. this could actually happen. Now, of course, the odds are stacked against it. Of course, it seems unlikely. Of course, a team like Atletico Madrid, who are so good defensively, although this is part of the problem here, of course, they're not that defensive team that we like to think they are.

58:37Dan Thomas:The stereotypes and the clichés about Atletico Madrid just aren't true. The most important thing, though, is, as you say, that level of performance from Laminya Mal and what we've seen from Barcelona this year, that when they do get it right, they score loads of goals. I think we're in for a really good Copa de la Réa clash. And I think even if Barcelona don't turn it around, I think there may well be a period during the night in which it feels like it could happen. I think it's going to be alive, and I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

59:01Shaka Hislop:All right, Sid, well, how long is your voyage back home tonight?

59:05Dan Thomas:Do you need a boat? It depends. Do you know what? Actually, you know what? No, no, no. I'm going to ask Alexis to do something with the camera. Alexis?

59:14Shaka Hislop:Yes?

59:14Dan Thomas:Can you focus on those windows up there? Alexis is going to focus on the windows. Can you see the windows up there on the other side of the stadium? Oh, Alexis is the camera guy.

59:21Shaka Hislop:I thought you meant me.

59:22Dan Thomas:was a helicopter up there. Not you, Alexis, the other Alexis. Can you see those windows? Yes. That is my voyage home tonight. That is the hotel. The hotel I am in is inside the stadium. So having done the longest possible journey to come here, I'm doing the shortest possible journey back to the hotel tonight. So I am a very happy man. It's quite early for me. I'm going to bed. I'm going to sleep. He's going to have a little... Yeah, okay. He's going to have a nightcap. Okay, in Andalusia, sure.

59:49Frank Leboeuf:I don't think the waves listen to... Oh, you are. Nobody's listening. World's smallest violence.

59:54Shaka Hislop:Thank you so much for joining us. Happy journey home to your hotel room. Good save. Make sure to tune into that game that we are all waiting for. Barcelona, Atletico de Madrid, Tuesday, 3 p.m. Eastern time is kickoff, but our coverage starts 30 minutes before.

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1:02:26Shaka Hislop:There'll be plenty more talk of MLS action on the latest edition of Football Americas coming your way on Monday. I'll be on alongside Hercules Gomez and Casey Keller. Please join us at 8.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Shaka must have gotten the day off for that one. Must be nice. What? Must be nice. is because he's been here working all the time. I was on a Thursday. And I was on. No, I wasn't. All right, that's it for this edition of ESPN FC, but do not go anywhere because you know Extra Time is next.

1:03:00Shaka Hislop:Welcome into Extra Time. Look at a very happy-looking Franklin Bunker joining us. He's angry with calls. He's angry at cards being given. Oh, did we bring that up again? It was a pen all day, every day, Stevie. All day, every day. It's because it was against the French players.

1:03:19Frank Leboeuf:He's got a part coming up where he's a waiter. He's got his fingers. He'll fall over. He'll fall over.

1:03:26Shaka Hislop:All right, let's get into the questions, shall we? Stevie, is it disappointing that the Premier League is becoming more about who can score from the most set pieces? What happened to trying to score from open play? This is not the product the fans want to see.

1:03:44Frank Leboeuf:I mean, listen, we'd all love to sit and watch every time there's a game, lovely, fast-flowing, attacking football. Sometimes it's not possible. And right now, it doesn't seem that anybody's really capable of doing that consistently. And so when you can't do that consistently, you have to find ways of scoring. And Arsenal in particular, along with some other teams, have found a way of taking advantage of situations, i.e. set pieces. So I'm afraid it's one of those things that happens. Right now, everybody just seems to want to do that.

1:04:30Stewart Robson:And that's just the way it is. Stevie, go on, Frank. If I can jump on that. In our days, and for most of the history of football, the opponent was trying to force the other to make mistakes in order to score goals. And if you don't have mistakes, you don't score goals. Nowadays, what they try to do is to avoid mistakes on their own. So they try to be safe and secure. And therefore, they don't try enough. They don't risk enough in order to push the opponent to make mistakes and score goals. So that's why maybe that's the only time on set pieces that they give their full power to score goals. But we see that with Arsenal, with the tactic and the amount of players they put in.

1:05:18Stewart Robson:We can see that with Crystal Palace, with Chelsea as well. They are very good at it. But otherwise, they're very secure. They don't want to take any risk, don't want to lose the ball. Therefore, they don't push themselves to push the opponent to make mistakes.

1:05:32Frank Leboeuf:You know, it's weird. In some ways, you can blame Arsenal for everybody doing this. Back in my day, in the late 80s, a team called Stoke City used to, every corner was a near-post corner. And it was flicked on. And everybody started doing it. But then it sort of disappeared. And this will disappear as well, I'm pretty sure. Because history tells you those things do disappear. And then something else will come in. somebody will do something different and then everybody will start doing it so right now this is what it is but maybe in a couple of years time that we'll have moved on to something different here's my question to this i just wonder if it kind of feels worse than it actually is to the point to the question that the prima league is going down this this road now while arsenal and again i'll reiterate arsenal fans do not should not care but you've seen it you saw this from a Jose Mourinho Chelsea who were heavily reliant on a rock solid defense with John Terry and Petr Cech in behind them.

1:06:39Frank Leboeuf:They scored, and again, I can't remember the stats, but they scored an incredible percentage of their goals from set pieces. Sam Allardyce had a very long career of building teams around doing this. I just wonder if it feels different this time around, and I'd love to know the stats. While, yes, Arsenal are by far and away making the most of their set pieces. How does everybody else compare to the rest of the league? I'm not sure that it's that different. I think the league has always had a reliance on set pieces. Maybe not an over-reliance, certainly not in the top position of the table, but it's happened a lot.

1:07:17Frank Leboeuf:And actually right now, in terms of the Champions League and all the other European competitions, all the other European sides have no idea what's going on. you don't see it in other leagues so when it comes to European tournaments teams are like what's going on here they have no idea what to do they're not used to it so it's actually right now an advantage in terms of playing in European football

1:07:42Shaka Hislop:I love how Xhaka kind of defended it there because I know he's not a fan I'm not?

1:07:47Frank Leboeuf:I've never been I was as critical

1:07:49Shaka Hislop:I was every bit as

1:07:53Frank Leboeuf:critical of Chelsea in those moments that I'm talking about then as I am of Arsenal now. Coolies are getting trampled on. That's why you don't like it. No.

1:08:01Shaka Hislop:The delicate creatures.

1:08:03Frank Leboeuf:Yeah. It's because goalkeepers are no longer allowed to run out and punch people in the head. That was fun. That was fun. Bring that back. Bring that back. Just smash somebody in the head.

1:08:18Stewart Robson:You know, Shaka, it's funny because one of your former teammates at Newcastle, David Ginola, was using that with Arthur George, the coach of Paris Saint-Germain at the time in the beginning of the 90s, where they were scoring goals on corner kick, set pieces a lot, putting everybody on the near post, like Stevie said. And David scored so many goals with some others like Rai and George Weah as well. It was almost impossible to defend against them. They were putting like four guys in a near post and it was a nightmare for defenders and goalkeepers. Even they were allowed to punch everybody. That didn't work.

1:08:58Shaka Hislop:All right, next question. And it is a good one. Should I apologize to my friend, who I convinced to follow Spurs when he began watching the Premier League 10 years ago?

1:09:10Frank Leboeuf:First of all, first of all, first of all, I don't think I apologize enough.

1:09:16Shaka Hislop:Oh. No.

1:09:19Frank Leboeuf:Friends don't let friends follow Spurs.

1:09:23Shaka Hislop:Friends don't let friends follow Spurs. Your son is a Spurs fan.

1:09:28Frank Leboeuf:That's a car sticker.

1:09:29Shaka Hislop:Is that against your... Or did you give him a push?

1:09:32Frank Leboeuf:I feel him as a father.

1:09:33Shaka Hislop:I feel so too.

1:09:34Frank Leboeuf:I feel him as a father.

1:09:35Shaka Hislop:How did he not gravitate towards East London or Newcastle? He was Gareth Bale, wasn't it?

1:09:43Frank Leboeuf:I feel him as a father. I was going to see him waste time, but I didn't even waltz. Yeah, that was good, yeah. Of course, yeah. No, no, it's a long story. A sad ending. It's a sad ending.

1:09:54Shaka Hislop:Sorry, Luka.

1:09:56Frank Leboeuf:Bless him.

1:09:57Shaka Hislop:Oh, what a time, what a time. So, big answer, yes. Apologize to your friend and buy him a couple of adult beverages. Next question is for Xhaka. Xhaka, would you rather see Newcastle somehow win the Champions League or see West Ham avoid relegation?

1:10:11Frank Leboeuf:I'd rather see Newcastle win the Champions League.

1:10:13Shaka Hislop:And you just sent Newcastle down to the championship.

1:10:16Frank Leboeuf:No, West Ham. West Ham, North Championship.

1:10:18Shaka Hislop:I mean, well, yeah.

1:10:19Frank Leboeuf:Yeah, yeah. West Ham's been there before. Just to West Ham. West Ham, we're like, ah.

1:10:24Shaka Hislop:Shekka just chug.

1:10:25Frank Leboeuf:Shekka, listen, listen. No, let me explain. Let me explain.

1:10:30Shaka Hislop:Shekka, think of the financial hit they would take. You would lose players. Oh, my days.

1:10:35Frank Leboeuf:West Ham have been there before. Bounce back. They'll be all right. So to hell with them now again. They'll be all right. They'll be all right. But I will happily love to see Newcastle win the Champions League.

1:10:51Shaka Hislop:West Ham will bounce back.

1:10:54Frank Leboeuf:West Ham will bounce back.

1:10:56Shaka Hislop:Shaqa just booted West Ham.

1:10:58Frank Leboeuf:I did not boot them. They're both going. He's still all bitten.

1:11:03Shaka Hislop:And it's amazing because I always ask Shaqa, like, where did he, of all his clubs, where did he genuinely enjoy the most and felt this feels like home? And he always says West Ham. He would happily relegate them. Okay. Next question.

1:11:17Frank Leboeuf:They'll bounce back. They've been there. They'll bounce back.

1:11:20Shaka Hislop:Love that. Oh, next question from the specialist. Alexis, Mira Sanchez, you are such a superstar. I guess I don't have a question. Only a statement.

1:11:31Frank Leboeuf:McKinney. McKinney. Thank you.

1:11:35Stewart Robson:It must be you. Did you send that to yourself? Yes, I did. Sorry. I did not say this to myself.

1:11:44Shaka Hislop:It feels like it. Thank you, the specialist. The specialist must be you. That just made my day after dealing with flack from this lot.

1:11:53Frank Leboeuf:Hold on a minute. I've been in early today. Man United win. You know what she's like. I've had to deal with that all day.

1:12:06Shaka Hislop:All I do is I'm a bit happier.

1:12:08Frank Leboeuf:And now you're the victim.

1:12:11Shaka Hislop:I just asked Shaka a simple question. Shaka, did you see that great comeback win? Which I thought shows the character that Mikel Arteta speaks so much about, that teams should have character. And now I just feel like we're embodying it.

1:12:22Frank Leboeuf:You see? Nobody's asked anything. Who was the plan?

1:12:25Shaka Hislop:Crystal Palace. And Oliver Glasner-elect Crystal Palace.

1:12:29Frank Leboeuf:Nobody's asked anything. She's just rabbiting on the ball. I didn't tell them to go down to 10 men.

1:12:33Shaka Hislop:I didn't tell La Croix to pull down. To pull down.

1:12:36Frank Leboeuf:My point being, if anybody needs to be felt,

1:12:40Shaka Hislop:sorry for it is me it is you you just relegated west ham

1:12:48Frank Leboeuf:sorry it went over my head shot yeah it's okay all right thank you the specialist next question

1:12:55Shaka Hislop:can you guys believe that todd bowley was really the chelsea director of football that seems crazy well that's of course there's some quotes that he said today but frank

1:13:08Stewart Robson:Yes, that's what he said. He was the sporting director and he admitted that he had no clue what he had to do. He was talking about Kukurella and the fact that if Manchester City wanted Kukurella, it's because Kukurella was good. So he wanted to keep him. It was a clever, clever statement. But that's crazy. I mean, if you come into the world, a new world, in In any job, you have to have at least a little bit of knowledge. And Todd Barley just explained that he knew nothing, nothing about soccer. And he ended up being a sporting director. That's a concern. And it's good that there is somebody else nowadays.

1:13:53Stewart Robson:And maybe he's going to be for the best for Chelsea. But really, that guy shouldn't have said that he knew nothing. He should have pretend something like, yes, I was following when I was young. I played in college. Maybe I played a little bit of soccer. But he just admitted that he knew nothing. That's pretty embarrassing, I think, for the Chelsea fans.

1:14:15Shaka Hislop:Explained a lot, didn't it? Next question for Stevie. And I promise you I did not send this one. Stevie, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it hurt to see Man United above Liverpool in third? 11.

1:14:29Frank Leboeuf:11.

1:14:29Shaka Hislop:Explain to me in detail why it hurts so much and how it hurts so much. How does it make you feel when you grow up?

1:14:34Frank Leboeuf:There is a little silver lining at the end of it. Because this time next year, you won't be saying that. You'll find it. You're off, boy. Let me just say, you enjoy yourself.

1:14:47Shaka Hislop:Oh, I am.

1:14:48Frank Leboeuf:Go on, go for it.

1:14:48Shaka Hislop:I am enjoying myself so much. Have fun. How does it feel down there in the table?

1:14:53Frank Leboeuf:Oh, boy.

1:14:54Shaka Hislop:How far is it?

1:14:57Frank Leboeuf:To be fair, actually, we knew that. because that's where you've been. Yeah. You should know. You should know. How long have you been down there?

1:15:04Shaka Hislop:A long time. Yeah, got it. Listen, I'm the first to say when United are potty.

1:15:09Frank Leboeuf:Do you know when you're the only team that plays Saturday to Saturday? That's fine. That's not a good sign.

1:15:16Shaka Hislop:That's fine. You're almost there. That's how bad you've been.

1:15:19Frank Leboeuf:That means you've been really bad.

1:15:20Shaka Hislop:You're threatening to be there too. So because you win five games, all of a sudden... When's the last time you guys won five games? I don't know, like, come visit me. Oh, boy. Don't look at me, I'm out of this.

1:15:29Frank Leboeuf:Who was the last time you won the Premier League?

1:15:31Shaka Hislop:A long time ago. Oh, exactly.

1:15:34Frank Leboeuf:Oh, sorry, it was last year. Last year we won it, yeah. And then else you want to throw? No. That's the best decision you've made all day. What? Stop throwing mud.

1:15:45Shaka Hislop:I'm not throwing mud, I was just simply reading a question. How does it feel down there, though? You're only as good as your last game.

1:15:52Frank Leboeuf:Why would somebody ask you a question when they know the answer? I didn't know the answer. This is Mr.

1:15:59Shaka Hislop:Church's question. I didn't put it in. I just wanted to hear the answer in detail. Shall we move on? Yeah, please. Frank, should Hugo Eketike be in France's starting 11 after the kind of form and hunger he's shown this season? Can France include both Mbappe and Eketike and still have a balanced attack?

1:16:22Stewart Robson:It's hard to say. And I highly rank Hugo Iquitique, for sure. But don't forget that you have Barcola, you have Douay, you have Olize, you have Mateta. We, I mean, Didier Deschamps has a choice of a king, as we say. And really, yes, Hugo should be there like five, six, seven others. That's insane. And some people are going to stay home for the next World Cup and they will feel frustrated. But, you know, what can we say? So many talented players. And I think GD will try to see what makes the best and the most. Hekiteki has a chance. He can play on the left side. He can play a striker. But so is Due.

1:17:09Stewart Robson:So is Mbappe. So maybe Bacola will have a problem. But Olize is very strong on the other side. And Mateta is only a striker. So, Ekitiki has a big chance, but the competition is hard.

1:17:26Frank Leboeuf:Hasn't he even mentioned the Ballon d 'Or and Dembele?

1:17:30Shaka Hislop:Dembele, oh my days.

1:17:32Frank Leboeuf:I mean, that's scary.

1:17:33Stewart Robson:Yes, sorry. That's scary.

1:17:35Frank Leboeuf:That is scary.

1:17:36Stewart Robson:But they play mostly on the right side. It's more with Olysees in the competition. And you have Xerchi as well, who can play just behind them. I mean, that's really insane, the talent that we have. But we have to find the chemistry. That's the point.

1:17:50Frank Leboeuf:I wonder if I could take his Scottish in him.

1:17:55Shaka Hislop:Why?

1:17:56Frank Leboeuf:Well, because we could have him.

1:17:57Shaka Hislop:You could take him, yeah. He could come to the World Cup with us. You have Scott McTominay. You need him.

1:18:02Frank Leboeuf:You can never have enough talent.

1:18:04Shaka Hislop:You can never have enough Scott McTominay.

1:18:05Frank Leboeuf:You can never have enough talent.

1:18:06Shaka Hislop:That's true. That's true. I mean, I'll take... I don't even know if Jamaica's going to the World Cup.

1:18:10Frank Leboeuf:I was about to say, at least you still have a chance. I'm just over here. Counting out the days to 2030.

1:18:22Stewart Robson:Next question.

1:18:24Frank Leboeuf:There'll be a lot more teams in that one, Shaq,

1:18:26Shaka Hislop:so there's a chance.

1:18:27Frank Leboeuf:If there's 64, we have a chance.

1:18:29Shaka Hislop:Yeah.

1:18:30Frank Leboeuf:If there's 128 teams in the next World Cup, we'll have a chance. Oh, boy.

1:18:36Shaka Hislop:Oh, man. Anyways, we move on. World Cup makes me sad. Final question from Shaqa's Power Rankings advisor. Didn't know we had one. To the ex-pros, Do you prefer day and daylight games or under the lights?

1:18:55Frank Leboeuf:Daylight.

1:18:56Shaka Hislop:Daylight? Yeah. In the sun? In the hot sun? Well, I guess it depends on where you play.

1:19:01Frank Leboeuf:Natural light.

1:19:02Stewart Robson:It's part of the culture.

1:19:04Shaka Hislop:Yeah.

1:19:05Stewart Robson:I prefer daylight games.

1:19:08Frank Leboeuf:Sometimes with those lights, the ball goes up in the lights, you lose where the ball is, all those things. I mean, I know the ball. Bokken got up in the sun as well. I was going to say that one. But there's only one sun. There's only one sun. There's light all over. There's light all over.

1:19:25Shaka Hislop:Chaco with the bright lights. Can I be greedy? Of course you may be greedy.

1:19:28Frank Leboeuf:Both. Okay. Well, because you kick off at 3 o 'clock, and the game doesn't really finish to 5, but around what? Just around half-time, the lights go on. Yeah. Because it starts to get dark. So when the game finishes, actually, it is dark and the lights go on.

1:19:45Shaka Hislop:All right.

1:19:45Frank Leboeuf:Should we actually get both?

1:19:47Shaka Hislop:See why I'm better both.

1:19:48Frank Leboeuf:Yeah.

1:19:48Shaka Hislop:All right.

1:19:49Frank Leboeuf:Yeah. We'll have a little five minutes. Stevie wants to play for five minutes.

1:19:52Stewart Robson:I thought Stevie... Yeah, I thought Stevie would have said 3pm because like that, after the game, you can go for a beer. Exactly. That should be easier.

1:20:01Frank Leboeuf:Frank, you know what? Frank, I've got to tell you. You're just reminding me. The best thing that ever happened for a period of time was started playing games on a Friday. Oh. Yeah. That meant you got Friday night, Saturday, Sunday Brilliant And you went to bed

1:20:22Stewart Robson:Monday

1:20:25Frank Leboeuf:That's what Monday's it for

1:20:26Stewart Robson:That's what Monday's it for

1:20:28Shaka Hislop:Frag what about you

1:20:29Stewart Robson:Do you call the thing that you do on Sunday morning When you go from pubs to pubs I've got some friends in England I used to do that That's insane You're crazy people But for me I prefer under the line because in France we mostly play at night around 8 or 8 30 so yeah I was used to that and the first time that I came at and had to play at 3 p.m I remember the first game was against Coventry I normally is my let's say nap time and and I fell asleep in the dressing room on the side I went to the side and Ryd Gullit has to pick me up say Frank we need to go for the warm-up I was sleeping well that was my I was used to that and I got a hard time to get rid of that

1:21:18Frank Leboeuf:yo god you don't give me a hard time for having a nap anywhere World Cup third place playoff

1:21:27Shaka Hislop:60 plus thousand in that stadium I was saying Shaka look that's not true a really good chance I was watching why is he ignoring me I turned to the side and he's out like a light and he wasn't He wasn't even doing like the... He was doing the old man's sleep.

1:21:44Frank Leboeuf:That's not true. I was ignoring you. That's not true. I was just ignoring you.

1:21:48Shaka Hislop:Did you fall asleep in the final as well? France, Argentina.

1:21:52Frank Leboeuf:Shaka Higginslaff found time.

1:21:55Shaka Hislop:How are you just making stuff up now?

1:21:58Frank Leboeuf:You're just making stuff up.

1:21:59Shaka Hislop:Shaka found time to have a little 10 minute siesta. This man will sleep any and everywhere.

1:22:05Frank Leboeuf:That's not true. None of it.

1:22:10Shaka Hislop:This is why he's not going to any World Cup. Let's go. Let's go. All right. Well, that's it for extra time.

1:22:20Shaka Hislop:We will be back for more on ESPN FC tomorrow. The boys will be looking back on the Real Madrid game against Getafe. We'll see if they're able to put some more space in between them and Barcelona.

1:22:39Frank Leboeuf:It's a season two playoff race with TGL presented by SoFi. Sunday at 9 p.m. Eastern, Jupiter Lynx versus Boston Common Golf. Monday at 7 p.m. Eastern, Los Angeles Golf Club versus New York Golf Club. Tuesday at 9 p.m. Eastern, the Bay Golf Club versus Jupiter Lynx.

1:22:53Dan Thomas:Keep up, it's golf. Watch on ESPN, ESPN2, and the ESPN app.