Can Man United Extend Win Streak?

18:37Craig Burley:Nathan, when you were captain of QPR, would you have gone down this route?

18:43Shaka Hislop:So this is a good question, actually. Just because I think in this particular instance, all the stuff that he said, I think it's very hard to say that it's not true. But I think you can see there's a breakdown between himself and, say, the ownership of the club. Not necessarily the manager, and not just people he sees on a day-to-day basis, but the people who are almost like dictating which way the club is going, which direction it's going in. And to be outspoken like this is very, very, it's very strong. Most people won't speak in that manner, but he also knows himself that he has the leverage.

19:10Shaka Hislop:He's the captain of the football club and one of the most important players. And the stuff that he's saying, he knows the fans will be right behind him because the fans themselves, they also have issues with the ownership group. You know, obviously previously with Joe Lewis and previous guys and so on, but he has that leverage. and as I say it's interesting because I doubt that what he's saying on social media isn't what he's saying behind closed doors and I think some of the posts that he's put forward a lot of his squad mates have been sort of liking those posts and engaging with it from that standpoint because it's very easy to not like something and just move on from it so I personally wouldn't necessarily have done that out in the open but we've had discussions behind the scenes and just going from how I view him I think he's probably spoken like this to the manager and maybe at times gone directly to the board as well and ultimately he's not concerned about the punishment anymore because what they're going to do are they going to sell him worth this selling then that just brings even more trouble to the people up top and i'm sure you'll find plenty of places to go as well

20:03Alejandro Moreno:what's his biggest beef here i'm slightly confused with the message is his biggest beef they're not buying good enough players or is his biggest beef the size of the squad particularly in the man city game and the bench i think that he didn't

20:21Craig Burley:They didn't beef up in January, I suppose. I suppose because of all the injuries they've got.

20:27Alejandro Moreno:Well, let me just read you the Man City quickly. This is not even on the bench, because on the bench was Odeberth, Sar, Mateus, Tail, who come on. Richarlsson injured. Richarlsson, Maddison, Bergvall, Benton, Coeur, Davies, Kulisewski, Spence, Danzo, Van de Ven, Kudos, Poro. Pretty much all first-teamers. So, that's not controlled by the board when all these players are injured. The board are aware that all those players are injured. And they were also able to put out a relatively strong side against Spurs. First 11, not perfect, but relatively strong. City, against City. Against City, sorry. The bench, not so much.

21:04Alejandro Moreno:I get that. But here's one of the problems. That's a lot of players to come back fit again at some point. So it's not always as easy just to go. They brought Gallagher in, but it's not always as easy to go out and say, we'll bring another four in in January, and then this lot come back. You have budgets, you have wage trucks. I don't agree with the way the Spurs board and Daniel Levy have run the footballing side of things, but it's not as simple as just saying, oh, we have 11, 12 first-teamers injured, which they have. We need to go out and buy four players because then you're stuck with all these guys and a humongous squad and a huge wage bill.

21:42Alejandro Moreno:And by the way, if he's worried about when he's made Van de Venza out and others, maybe he could stay on the pitch a little bit more. Stevie, and not be suspended.

21:53Dan Thomas:100%. Listen, I don't get where players, and I don't care what area you're playing, you're paid to play, and right now, sports, regardless of who's on the field or not, are struggling on the field. I think you should concentrate on doing your job properly, because he's not doing his job properly. And the other thing is, he's talking about, well, it's always the same here. It didn't stop him signing his new contract 18 months ago. Should Frank have been more...

22:21Craig Burley:Should he be stronger, disciplinary with him? Should he be suspended for this game, for coming out and saying these sort of things?

22:26Dan Thomas:No. You can't... Well, he hasn't said the manager's terrible, is he? You can't cut your nose off to spite your face. Yeah. You know, if everybody's fair and you've got... If you've got somebody as good as the player you want to suspend, then on your go, get after it. But sometimes you've got to just try and figure it out. and it's damage limitation, to be quite honest with you, because you can't afford to affect... You know, if you drop Romero, then what you're doing is you're actually affecting the other 10 or the other 11 that are going to start. But also, you can't be seen not to be doing anything.

23:01Dan Thomas:And there's no question, when one of your players speaks out against up the stairs, it reflects on you. So he's saying we dealt with it internally. I would love to know what he did, but he's stuck right in the middle because he's got to make sure up the stairs are still with him, but he can't afford to get rid of Romero because he needs him.

23:20Alejandro Moreno:By the way, all those players that are in the injured list, a big chunk of them, I mean Kulisevski and others have been out for a while, a big chunk of them have been available for the bulk of the season when Romero's been fit and playing and the results were equally as bad. But I didn't hear him come out then and saying, he never came out then and said, well, this isn't good enough with the squad we've got. because I think he knows deep down there is an issue with the board, but I think deep down it's a sort of thinly veiled pop at the manager as well because I think he knows, while Spurs are not a great side, when most of those players are fit, there's certainly a better side than the results have shown.

23:57Alejandro Moreno:And that's pretty much on the manager. We will, of course, be looking back at that game

24:01Craig Burley:on the next edition of the show. It's the early start, isn't it? It's the early game. It's the early, yes. Be sure to join us. It's like time change. We're live at 2.30. tomorrow on ESPN+.

24:15Craig Burley:Then on Sunday, Manchester City against Liverpool. This used to be a big game, didn't it, back in the day? Still is. Nowadays, though, it's all about both teams trying to turn things around a little bit. It should be a cracking match. Let's take a look at everybody's predictions for this tie. Everyone's gone for a draw. Apart from me, I think it's going to be goals galore in this. I think this is going to be a bit old school. It should be a thoroughly entertaining affair.

24:41Alejandro Moreno:Well, neither can... Well, is it safe to see, actually, Liverpool look a little stronger defensively? I think they can still creak.

24:49Craig Burley:There are still cracks. I thought...

24:52Dan Thomas:When Mike sent this out for the score, that's the first thing that came to my head. What, be a strong one? I said, City are not very good at the bike. And then I thought, well, hold on a minute.

25:04Craig Burley:I'm surprised you've gone for a draw, considering what we've seen from both teams of late?

25:10Dan Thomas:That's the reason I've gone for a draw, because of what the two teams have been recently. I don't see either of them scoring tons of goals and I don't see either of them keeping a clean sheet. I don't see it. I mean, Harland's struggled against Liverpool previously, but Harland's not on the greatest run scoring goals. I mean, who am I putting my money on?

25:34Craig Burley:2-2 is a lot of goals. That's four goals for a game that you've got two teams who can't score goals.

25:38Dan Thomas:But that's because they're so bad defensively.

25:40Craig Burley:Oh, they can't score goals.

25:41Alejandro Moreno:They're so bad defensively. Right. It's the key players. You know, obviously Haaland. Other players have been... Semenya's been scoring. Mermush is back. You're just dying for Haaland to be dropped, aren't you?

25:53Dan Thomas:After the discussion we had... There's no chance that he's getting dropped. He was asked about it, wasn't he?

25:58Craig Burley:Yeah, Pat and Pat went, ooh, we'll have to see. What's a lot of nonsense? Oh, I know. At 8-1-1.

26:05Shaka Hislop:Yeah, listen, I put 1-1, but in reality, I just don't see that 1-1. And let me give you a little history lesson on this fixture, especially from a Man City supporter perspective. So City won there, I think, in 2021. And that game happened when it was behind closed doors. And that's the season where Liverpool lost quite a few games at home. I think one was to Everton, a few others. And then the previous time they won at Anfield was in 2003. So I've spent this whole century thinking, maybe this is the year, maybe this is the year okay, it's definitely not the year I think Liverpool have got this thing over City and it's been so many different versions of Liverpool, so many different versions of the City even some of the horror City sides that I played in they just cannot get a win there and as a consequence them going there needing potentially to win this game to even try and keep just that six point gap to Arsenal I've just lost all my faith in this fixture I reluctantly wrote one one down because I don't like to write down City losses, but I can't help but think that's essential what's going to end up as.

27:06Shaka Hislop:But all being well, maybe City can make a draw, but in reality, as I say, they've got no history there whatsoever, so I'm very reluctant to be confident to say that they can win again.

27:15Alejandro Moreno:If it was ever a time to go there and play them, I know City are not at their best in certain areas of the team, but I mean, we'd never thought...

27:23Shaka Hislop:You've said that for 20 years though, Craig, that's the issue.

27:25Alejandro Moreno:Well, you know, you can always change history. You know, Liverpool have been... We would never have thought they'd having the struggles that they've had the whole way through this season. And if City want to, I mean, obviously Liverpool have got their fight for the top four out of Champions League now, that is real. There's no doubt about that. But if City have any hope, and it's a smidge of a one at the moment, in keeping this title race honest, they simply have to win the game.

27:56Craig Burley:Well, they simply surely need to have to turn up in the second half, which is something they just haven't done of late. They want no shots in their last three games in the second period of matches. What the heck is that about?

28:06Shaka Hislop:Honestly, Dan, you're preaching to the choir here. This has been insane. Since this year started, 2026, they've scored so many goals in that first half and have not scored a goal in the second half. I don't know how it works out. If it was the case of them not getting chances or whatever, I'd say all this is concerning. But they're just not doing anything. It's so strange. The amount of opportunities they'll give to the opposition, then the game starts to change, the momentum switches and they should have scored more goals in that time they just have not done it and as a consequence, whichever side is playing against them when it continues to trend in this manner you know you've always got a chance, you'll keep pushing you'll keep pushing, you'll keep pushing maybe you're riding up to a certain extent but you can score some goals and they're not putting games to bed I think we saw that game against Spurs last week when it was 2-0, it looked like one of the most comfortable 2-0s they'll have this whole season and before you know it, it's 2-2, they're walking off the pitch and it's more drop points so yeah I can't put my finger on it maybe some of the players I don't know I don't know I genuinely don't know it's one of those stupid things in football this trend has happened and if it was one or two games great but we're looking at six games now and it doesn't add up but if it's to be a side that's going to win a Premier League title it has to stop this weekend

29:13Dan Thomas:Dan we've sat here particularly Craig and I and talked about how vulnerable City are defensively and we've said that not only do the opposition know that they're vulnerable but they know they're vulnerable So when they go out and they end up being 2-0 up or 3-0, whatever it is, there is absolutely no question their mentality changes in the second half. And they go, right, let's just hold what we've got. But it doesn't suit them because A, they can't defend and it takes away all the things that they're actually best at and why they beat teams. And so they lose that. It turns to the opposition. Everything starts going the other way.

29:54Dan Thomas:It's just rolling down the hill. So it really is straightforward. They know that they can't defend particularly well. And in trying to be smart about it and not leave gaps, they end up, they lose the initiative, they lose the rhythm, they don't have as much of the ball, and it just snowballs.

30:12Alejandro Moreno:Even Wolves, I don't know if Nathan was at that game, but even Wolves at home, 2-0 up, get the worst team in the Premier League by quite some at the moment. And I'm not saying City were hiding behind the sofa in the second half, but Wolves had their chances. Wolves did get up, they got their dander up and they started pushing forward, they started whipping some balls into the box and they kept Man City honest for large chunks of that second half. And this is a side up until not too long ago, had two points, home and away. So it's not just decent teams that are keeping City honest in the second halves of games, it's actually the worst team in the Premier League were able to do it, albeit they didn't breach that Donnarumma goal.

30:56Craig Burley:That game, of course, on Sunday. The next Gavin Jules show will drop on Monday as they'll be reflecting on what happened in that clash at Anfield, plus reflecting on the other big games that's happening across Europe.

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33:44Craig Burley:It's been pretty good, hasn't it, to be Bayern Munich? And the bookies reflect that when you take a look at who's going to win the Bundesliga. You have to put$100 on to win a dollar. Meanwhile, in the Champions League, they're in the talk amongst the favorites, of course, including Arsenal and PSG. And they're odds on to win the Polkau as they've made it through to the quarterfinal stages as well. It's been pretty good for Vincent Kompany, of course, since taking over from the club the start of last season. Jonathan Tarr was asked about the impact he's made. How do you think the team has evolved this season since you joined, obviously, during the Club World Cup?

34:20Craig Burley:It feels like, at your best, it's so difficult for anyone to breathe against you.

34:28Jonathan Tah:Yeah, when I came here, the first training session, I felt directly like the atmosphere and the energy and intensity and the training was like so high. And obviously when I talked to Max Eber before I came and also to the coach, the way they explained me everything was really like, yeah, like you said, we don't want anybody to breathe against us when we play and if we do that then it's really really hard to to play against us and to win against us because our intensity is so high and it doesn't matter the opponent it's just like when we prepare we prepare how we want to play and of course sometimes you know we have to prepare as well for the opponent but it's more about what we want to do and yeah the coach is doing amazing.

35:26Jonathan Tah:Is there a point with Vincent Kompany for example where you go when you're just watching him

35:31Craig Burley:and you go I understand now why he achieved what he did as a player like what are the things that

35:37Jonathan Tah:he has? Yeah he had a lot of things but I think the most impressive is his leadership when you watch how people speak about him, who played with him, you can definitely see like okay now I understand why he's a great coach as well, the way he handles the team, the players, he knows really like how to talk to the players and he just has this feeling for a locker room what the guys need right now and And then, yeah, the tactical side and the defending side, especially for me as a defender, you know, I can learn a lot, but it doesn't look like a lot. But it's so many details that he's seeing and adjusting that you just improve.

36:35Jonathan Tah:What kind of things is it? Is it like body position, timing? timing, body position, also not only individually but you know as a back four like how we're moving, how many distances between us, how much distance between us and the midfielders, like the way we are communicating this so a lot of small details that lead at the end to something that looks great and it's just those small details who make it look so big and such a big difference to other teams.

37:18Craig Burley:Is he talking about the next Manchester City manager, Nadeem?

37:23Shaka Hislop:Well, the news article that came out last week suggests he's not one of the main three that could be up because I think that was Maresca, that was Xabi Alonso, that was Cesc Fabregas. But I think as far as most City fans would be concerned, I think the job that he's doing at Bayern Munich and his connection to Man City is one way you'd hope at some point in the future get a chance to sort of test that out. I think the club means a lot to him. I think the Premier League does as well. When you listen to, say, someone like Jonathan Tarr talk about that sort of like attention to detail, it seems like he's a type of head coach and a modern head coach which will be going forward within this world of football.

37:53Shaka Hislop:So, yeah, maybe this isn't the right time, but that's because he's doing such a great job for one of the biggest clubs in world football in Bayern Munich. and I'm sure until they're winning league titles year in, year out again, and he's perhaps won the Champions League, maybe he won't be satisfied there. So I think given the fact he's only 40 years old, it's time to wait. But when he arrives, should he arrive, I'm sure he'll be more than ready.

38:14Craig Burley:Can I just ask him who he wants? His best friend, Vincent or someone else? Yeah.

38:21Shaka Hislop:Do I want Vincent Kompany to manage Man City? Who would you choose? Yeah. Who would you choose, though? Of those three, I think for me I'd say Mores could do it at City before as an assistant coach, that's fine but I would actually quite like to see something a bit different and I would go for Seth Fabregas I think even though he's doing the job at Como that not many people are really that impressed with, I think he's transformed the way that side has played from last year where there was fighting relegation to being in around European places now and again, he's one of those head coaches, like companies obsessed with attention to detail, obsessed with the game itself.

39:02Shaka Hislop:I think he's got a great personality to try and lead at that sort of position. And he's played for some of the biggest clubs in Europe as well. So I think that could be a nice little introduction for him to come to the Premier League, test himself, but with the sort of confidence and the resources to be successful. But that's an ideal. Maybe it's third choice. But if there was a short list of four,

39:24Craig Burley:company wouldn't be number one on your list?

39:27Shaka Hislop:yeah company would be number one without question i don't think there'd be many city supporters who would say it's not right i think maybe when he was like coming through at burnley maybe that was an issue but to do a great job like he's doing at bayern munich and he said oh it's easy it's buying you should be winning leagues all the time but it's the way that he's done it that's been very very impressive so i think company number one and for me fabrik has too yeah

39:47Alejandro Moreno:and it and we and if we did come back to england we wouldn't be having any of this vanson nonsense none of the day Ray Vance we've been none of this

39:57Craig Burley:Vance on German that's how we put arguments across the company one's very strong isn't it

40:03Alejandro Moreno:yeah I think Alonso could be strong you know Maresca I don't I don't know something about him I don't know if that's got any longevity come in he'd probably start moaning and groaning about some I think the Vincent Company scenario was slightly tainted by his time at Burnley the season they were in the Premier League. And I think whilst you could accuse him of, you know, Burnley were relegated and blah, blah, blah, I think what he was then was, rather than being a bad coach, was naive as a young manager. He naively wanted to come up because they had won the championship with X amount of points and played this great football.

40:47Alejandro Moreno:Yeah. And he believed he could come up and do the same in the Premier League. and they got found out. So I think the one thing you could have accused him then is his inexperience in management of being naive. I don't think that painted him as a bad coach. It just, he'd have to learn from that. That it's a sort of horses for courses. And obviously the way that he wants to play, he can implement that much easier at the highest level with better players than what he would. So I think that's the one criticism of him at Burnley. But at no point did you say, well, I don't think he's a very good manager or coach.

41:23Alejandro Moreno:I think he went about that all the wrong way. And luckily for him, it never knocked his stock and he got this opportunity.

41:31Dan Thomas:Yeah, if he was one of the four, I would go with... Who would have a...

41:35Alejandro Moreno:I wouldn't have said that one. Right, but here's the thing, Nathan, if this was a sell to the Man City fans without the Bayern Munich job and it was kind of off the back of Burnley, how much does that change it? or would that have changed it?

41:51Shaka Hislop:Yeah, I think it changes a lot, to be honest, because I think the Bayern Munich job in terms of, say, jobs in and around Europe is one of the trickiest because the bar is so, so high. You know, they're expected to be successful and expected to do it in a certain manner as well. And I think the fact that he's gone there, I think he's doing very well to manage up towards the board, manage coach down to the players. And then I think speaking with Archie as well, he manages the media really, really well as well. So I think he has the personality for that type of situation to be at the forefront of something that is significant to where success is the only thing you can celebrate as such.

42:24Shaka Hislop:So I think if he was off the back of Burnley, people would have had their doubts. Would he be able to deal with a different type of player? Because yes, Burnley had some good players, but they didn't have internationals from the front all the way to the back. People who've won the Champions League before, people who've won Premier Leagues before, but now he's playing and he's coaching some of the most significant players from Europe and around the world for Bayern Munich with that pressure of having to essentially win every single game you go on a run where you don't win a couple of games it's a crisis like in some ways you could argue that's kind of Man City in the Premier League so yes without that trip over to Munich and the success that he's had maybe there'd be a few more questions if people did want him to come back but I don't think he'd be coming back with the same sort of fanfare as he would do for example if he was to come this summer which I don't think is going to happen by the way but if he does arrive in the future, I think there'll be a lot of very, very excited parties as opposed to doubters.

43:14Craig Burley:Say Pep leaves, slot leaves, who would you expect to be the better coach? Xabi Alonso at Liverpool or Vincent Kompany at City?

43:25Alejandro Moreno:Put your feet up for this one.

43:27Dan Thomas:That's a tough one. I would have to go with Kompany. Really? You know, all the things Craig's talking about with Burnley, I get that, but you know, the one The one problem I didn't know whether he would handle it at Bayern Munich was the size of the club and the status of the players. You know, at the end, too many people get caught up on coaching. Listen, there are basics of coaching. Yes, there are people like Pep, Mourinho, his pomp, who do little things that nobody thinks about. But generally, coaching isn't, it's about your X's and O's, your basics. the biggest clubs it's about handling the players the right way picking the right team and handling upstairs and company is absolutely proven at Bayern Munich that he can do all of those so Alonso's gone to Real Madrid and hasn't really controlled the players so why would they not go with company?

44:25Alejandro Moreno:That's apples and oranges Stevie

44:26Dan Thomas:they are much more difficult but at the same time if you're putting an argument forward the answer to the question did they deal with the players is no in companies is 100 % yes.

44:37Craig Burley:We're clipping off all these negatives you said about lawns over the last few weeks. Ready for any time.

44:41Dan Thomas:I just go with facts, Danny Bush. Just pure facts.

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47:07Craig Burley:Early start tomorrow for Barcelona. They take on Mallorca. Our coverage starts at 945. And then Valencia against Real Madrid on Sunday at 2.30. Those games, of course, live on ESPN+. The draw was made for the Copa del Rey, and it will be Atletico Madrid against Barcelona in the semi-final elsewhere. Atletic club take on Real Sociedad, those games live exclusive on ESPN+. There's no date, I'm just kidding. Is that this week? That's this Wednesday and Thursday, there we go.

47:39Craig Burley:Meanwhile, James Rodriguez is going to Minnesota. His press conference took place today as the Colombian was introduced. All smiles, of course. Head of MLS starting at the start of March. They discuss that on the latest edition of Football Americas. On location, of course, live from the Super Bowl. How come we never get that? Who's that? Any visa. What? Who's that? Well, they're doing other shows, aren't they? They do Aura Nunca as well, which talks about NFL. We could have a go at it, could we? Yeah, we'd have a bash at NFL. You did it at Channel 5, didn't you famously with John Barnes? I've got experience at it.

48:17Craig Burley:Exactly. We still need to find that tape. Have you heard of Tom Vellor here? We could chip in. Never mind. No, leave it, leave it, leave it. Extra Time is next.

48:38Craig Burley:Welcome in then to the latest edition of Extra Time. Craig is here, as is Stevie Nadam as well. Here we go then. Who has the worst defence at the moment? City or Liverpool? Nadeem?

48:54Shaka Hislop:Oh, God. It's tough, that, isn't it? According to second halves, I'll say City, but I think... Oh, God. Do you know what? I'll say Liverpool. I'll say Liverpool, just to be nice. City's record is actually a bit better, so I'll say Liverpool for now.

49:11Dan Thomas:OK. Stevie? Tell you what, it would have been a dead heat had they not seen Guy. OK. But they did they did so Liverpool have the worst defense. Greg do you concur?

49:25Dan Thomas:No right back full left back two shenna backs to toilet They've got gay

49:36Alejandro Moreno:You got left back Kirkus Who's the left boy Andy Robertson?

49:45Craig Burley:Van Dyke Craig, which new manager has been more impressive so far, Rosinha or Carrick? Oh.

49:55Alejandro Moreno:What are you giggling at? Well, one's a double, more than double the amount of games. Yes. He's only lost one, isn't he, Rosinha? I'll tell you. No, I'm...

50:07Alejandro Moreno:I haven't said I've been super impressed by Rosinha. He's got good results. has Carrick just been a bit of a I don't know I'm going to say the younger manager Rosinha we've got to call him a young man again I don't know but he's like Steve you disagree?

50:30Dan Thomas:I thought it was dead easy

50:32Craig Burley:it has to be Carrick isn't it?

50:35Dan Thomas:City, Arsenal

50:37Craig Burley:perfect so far

50:39Dan Thomas:you beat Philham as well Perfect.

50:41Craig Burley:Nadam, you get the tie-breaking vote?

50:44Shaka Hislop:Yeah, I think I'd go for Carrick because he's not been booed by his fans yet. So I think I'm going to say Carrick for now. OK. But there's plenty of time for that.

50:51Craig Burley:There you go. Is it a big deal, Stevie, that teams stay on their side of the pitch when warming up and preparing for the match? Is it disrespectful if staff and players happen to wander to their opposition side during warm-ups? If you're wondering what this is about, this is Rosinio saying that Arsenal were disrespectful during the warm-ups of the second leg of the Carabao Cup tie because Arsenal's coaches were on Chelsea's side of the pitch.

51:15Dan Thomas:So the only Chelsea coaches that would be on the other side of the pitch, as Arteta pointed out, would be the goalkeeper. And every single team, forever and a day, has had this problem. I certainly had it. We were in MLS and the one thing that they would do is the goalie coach would say to you, you don't mind because we did the same. Our goalies wanted to hit some balls long. So you're hitting the ball into the opposition's half when they're warming up. So you just try and be sensible about it and get them to the side. Sometimes it goes astray, but we get that. So there's no way on God's earth that the Arsenal coaches have set up the grids not in their own half.

52:00Dan Thomas:It's not possible. And if there's any Arsenal coaches on his half, they might be standing here, past this line. if you're lucky so it's a lot of guard we're going to get some footage but mike couldn't be bothered yeah just just shut up well shut up and do your job too happy piping on about tottenham nadam what do you make of this debacle no do you know i wish uh i wish we did have the video and

52:27Shaka Hislop:maybe i should have researched this myself because if they are coming across into the area with the cones and stuff then yeah sure that's disrespectful but is this something that they do all the time as it's been Arteta's way forever, I'm not sure. So for me, if it's a goalkeeping coach and they're sort of just catching balls from the goalkeeper, absolutely fine. But, you know, listen, if you're losing the game there and they're in your head from that standpoint, what chance do you really have? That's my opinion.

52:51Alejandro Moreno:I didn't think that affected how they approached the game, did you? No. Naidem. Go back to the last question. Carrick. Not having that.

53:00Craig Burley:Naidem, wouldn't you say Ryan Cherky is everything you think Phil Foden is and then some. He can actually dribble his defender, pick out a pass and do more than just stealing goals from Haaland.

53:11Shaka Hislop:Wow. Yeah, stealing goals from Haaland is a wild take, by the way. That's not what Phil Foden has done previously, to be honest with you. I think the two players, they're both very, very skilled and talented, but they've just got a different style. Phil Foden is somebody who stays ahead of the ball. He wants to be in around that 10 position. Where Shurky is somebody who likes to roam a bit more. He is a better dribbler. I think that is fair. he's got a little bit more presence about him but the quality that the two have like you know it's special i think if city can find a way to play the two of them together to play well then you're going to see some of the best like eights and tens i think in the league but yeah i wouldn't be comparing them like that and saying one is better than the other i just think they've got two completely different skill sets for the panel if you could do one winter olympic sport

53:54Craig Burley:which would it be and why there's like there's a road i could go down but i don't want to tell me

54:02Alejandro Moreno:Tell me what sports there are, because I don't watch it.

54:04Craig Burley:There's ski jumping.

54:07Alejandro Moreno:Never.

54:07Craig Burley:I'm not doing that in a month or Sunday. Ice dancing. Nah, fall over. Have you ever ice skated? Yes. Yeah. Yes. How would you go on? I wouldn't call it ice skating. I'm horrible. I can't stand up. It's just... Well, I can stand up. I'm not great going round the... But I can... You can go from A to B. Yes. Well, I can't even do that. You can't do it. I'm the one on the side doing like that.

54:28Alejandro Moreno:Yeah, I'm weird. No, I can go from A to B, but I'm not... Horrible. I'm not great, but I can... I can, but I do have a tendency, it's a great concern whenever I've been when the kids were a little younger, that once I decide I'll get a bit confident and I let go and I'm gone, then unfortunately I've skittled some families over youngsters.

54:51Dan Thomas:I've actually got video, I've got video years ago back in England, and I actually couldn't stop and I was picking people picking kids up and going like that as I was running through. I need to ask you if she can find it.

55:07Craig Burley:Imagine when he's younger no teeth.

55:14Craig Burley:It's scary man. I don't want to take the teeth out with a mace game.

55:20Dan Thomas:Curling obviously yeah. It's a bit like indoor bowling isn't it?

55:24Alejandro Moreno:So you're not going to do anything that's like super dangerous, right? So curling column main member Eddie the Eagle Yes, yeah, British guy who basically just went down the what would you call that one the slope? They don't yeah, it's not the slopes.

55:39Dan Thomas:No, don't know

55:41Alejandro Moreno:He jumped yes, he jumped. Yeah, but there's a name for it right. Okay. Anyway, he went even jump just sort of flopped Yes, he did they made a movie about it. Bobsleigh. That'd be good.

55:50Craig Burley:Obviously. Yeah the black panicking

55:53Dan Thomas:Obviously no chance.

55:55Craig Burley:What we were watching in the opening ceremony, there were five from Trinidad and Tobago. I think five or seven athletes. Yeah? You were watching the opening ceremony? Yeah, before I came in.

56:05Dan Thomas:Cool runnings.

56:06Craig Burley:Cool runnings, yeah. Feel the rhythm. Nenam?

56:11Shaka Hislop:Yeah, so as somebody that was born in Nigeria that hates the cold, Winter Olympics isn't really my thing. No. And also having seen the ski slopes when I lived in Utah at Salt Lake City, which I was the Winter Olympics, I think they've got it coming up in the next few years as well. Most of those sports are absolutely no-go for me at all. So let's just go for the extension of the cliche. If Jamaica can have a bobsleigh team, maybe you can have a Nigerian one as well. I'll do a bit of that and nothing else.

56:36Craig Burley:Yeah, okay. Nathan, have you ice skated before though? Have you done that with the kids?

56:42Shaka Hislop:I'm a bit like Stevie. I have been on ice with skates before. To say that it was an elegant experience would be an exaggeration. and so as a consequence I prefer to just stick on land yeah not for me that do

56:54Craig Burley:you remember Shaka was a goalkeeper for the Hartford Wolfpack no yeah there's a bit I've seen the picture they took him out onto the sky and like because Petr Cech was a hockey goalkeeper wasn't he once he retired so they want to see how Shaka would go on so did he actually play in the game no he didn't play in the game he went to practice Oh, he went to practice?

57:15Dan Thomas:That's silly me. They had pictures, didn't they?

57:17Alejandro Moreno:Yeah, yeah.

57:18Craig Burley:He was massive, wasn't he, because he'd all this gear on. Yes, yeah. Everyone on the panel, including Dan, participates in the Great British Bake Off. Who is winning, who is doing terrible, and who is exceeding expectations? Oh, wow, I think... Burley, you baked bread this week, you were telling us.

57:34Alejandro Moreno:No, it's a fascinating story. I am a tip. He's out. He can barely put a slice of toast in the toaster. Yes, yeah, yeah. Toast and beans. That's it. I don't mind cooking. I'm not saying I'm brilliant, but I don't mind cooking. I've been cooking, making my own bread. Better than Kay. Huh? Between you and Kay, wouldn't it? She's not in the equation.

57:55Craig Burley:Everyone on the panel. On the panel, thank you for that. Kay's not great. I live with Kay. She never cooked anything. No. No.

58:02Dan Thomas:I just know what she tells me.

58:03Craig Burley:I don't remember her baking anything exciting.

58:05Dan Thomas:No. Well, I never would, then.

58:09Craig Burley:Need them.

58:13Shaka Hislop:I don't think I'd win it, but I think I'd probably exceed a few expectations. I can get a bit OCD sometimes when it comes down to the cooking and stuff like that. So, yeah, I think I'd go all in. I don't do half measures.

58:24Craig Burley:What would your speciality be?

58:25Shaka Hislop:No.

58:29Shaka Hislop:I really don't know. I really don't know what speciality would be at all. But listen, give everything a good go. Don't worry about that, Dan Thomas.

58:35Alejandro Moreno:You're not really a cookie. I could do it.

58:37Craig Burley:But you're definitely going to be better than him. No, I'm better than him. Baking's not that difficult. You just follow the instructions, isn't it? That's it. This amount of flour, this amount of sugar, bish bash bosh, put it in the oven, it's done. But you're talking about...

58:49Dan Thomas:It's all timing in it. You're talking about a man. You've got a timer.

58:52Alejandro Moreno:No, I'm not saying for him. You're talking about a man that's got a bag of penny pasta. Yes. And it tells you on the side, eight to ten minutes. And he still puts it in with his good lady for 25. If I'm making it for you... If we were making it for you, I couldn't. And for that amount of time. But it tells you in the packet. Eight to ten, and you put it in for 25 minutes, it just splits.

59:18Craig Burley:Yeah.

59:20Dan Thomas:Some people don't like it when it's only done for the eight. How long would you put a cake in the oven for? How could you put pasta in?

59:27Craig Burley:I think that's good. Couple of days. There it is. Thank you very much, guys. Have a great weekend. We'll be back tomorrow to reflect on some games. Including Manchester United against Spurs. I get confused when the Liverpool game is as well. That is on Sunday, of course, plus Barcelona playing early. We'll be here, Steve. Are you going to bake a cake for the show? Probably not. That would be lovely. You're good, Lee.

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