Cape Verde Crash Spain's Party

16 Jun 2026 · 1 h 2 min · 27 chapters

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In short

ESPN FC World Cup Group H focus—Spain’s 0-0 draw with Cape Verde as a major upset, plus quick reactions to other Group H/G matches (Uruguay-Saudi Arabia, Belgium-Egypt, Iran-New Zealand).

Guests and backgrounds

Alejandro Moreno (former Spain international/ESPN analyst), Nader Manua (ESPN FC analyst), and Colin Udo (Cape Verde spectator perspective). Mario Suarez (former Spanish international) joins for Spain analysis.

Key claims

Spain were favorites but were “embarrassing” and too slow/sideways in possession, rarely playing balls in behind. Cape Verde’s compact, defensive low block and solidarity earned the point. Spain’s attack depends heavily on wingers Lamine Yamal and Nico Williams; without them, they become predictable. Cape Verde goalkeeper Vozinha (40) is highlighted as a standout, found via LinkedIn.

Notable examples

Spain’s limited 1v1/behind-ball attempts (e.g., Ferran Torres off the crossbar; a chance deflected out after Yamal’s outside-left pass). Cape Verde’s clean-sheet pedigree and Cameroon/AFCON qualification wins. Uruguay’s missed chance vs Saudi Arabia (1-1 after late Saudi lead). Belgium-Egypt 1-1 (own goal; Lukaku late impact). Iran-New Zealand 2-2 (both teams twice, emotional context).

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Spain vs Cape Verde Overview

1:34 to 2:15

Discussion on the surprising nil-nil draw between Spain and Cape Verde and the implications.

“Every single match would finish in a tie.”

Analyzing Spain's Performance

2:15 to 3:18

Exploration of Spain's slow possession play and tactical concerns during the match.

“What an embarrassment for a Spain side who come into this match and wins this tournament as one of the favourites to win it all.”

Evaluating Cape Verde's Strategy

3:18 to 6:12

Discussion on Cape Verde's defensive tactics and their ability to frustrate Spain.

“Well, let's just get it out of the way and give Cape Verde some love.”

Spain's Tactical Shortcomings

6:12 to 8:04

Continued analysis of Spain's lack of creativity and options against a compact defense.

“Because you were talking about how they move it slow and side to side.”

Colin Udo Joins the Discussion

8:04 to 10:00

Colin Udo shares insights on Cape Verde's historic draw and its significance.

“you may as well go back, as Ali said, to Luis Enrique in charge, because this is what we've seen before from Spain.”

Cape Verde's Remarkable Goalkeeper

10:00 to 12:46

Highlighting the impressive story of Cape Verde's goalkeeper and his contributions to the team.

“to take us things from a Cape Verde spectator.”

Spain's Future as World Cup Contenders

12:46 to 14:01

Discussion on how Spain's performance affects their prospects in the World Cup.

“His last major tournament and now definitely has become a Spain-Cavarri legend, an African legend.”

Analyzing Spain's Performance

14:01 to 15:35

Discussion on Spain's questionable tactics and poor performance against Cape Verde.

“You needed somebody who saw a different picture, who was able to find a splitting pass, which is not his game.”

Revisiting Historical Context

15:36 to 16:58

Comparison of Spain's first match results in previous World Cups with current expectations.

“I think Mario's had a big impact on me here in terms of how he's spoken about the Spanish team and performances that they've had in the past.”

Belief in Spain's Potential

16:59 to 20:06

Debate over Spain's potential to recover and succeed in the tournament despite a poor start.

“So I am saying, for the sake of your bracket as well, that Spain is still very capable.”
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Cape Verde's Historic Achievement

20:07 to 21:39

Celebrating Cape Verde's strong performance against Spain and its significance for the team and country.

“I think 12 days, almost two weeks until Uruguay.”

Uruguay's Disappointing Match

21:40 to 24:31

Analysis of Uruguay's underwhelming performance against Saudi Arabia and missed opportunities.

“Colin will be joining us a little later on as we'll be talking about Egypt against Belgium.”

South American Teams Struggling

24:32 to 28:00

Discussion on the struggles of South American teams in the World Cup and comparative analysis.

“this was a wasted opportunity for Uruguay to really put some pressure on the other teams in this group.”

Ecuador's Goal Scoring Challenges

28:00 to 29:16

Discussion on Ecuador's struggles to score goals and the surprising elements in the tournament environment.

“And you look at Ecuador, who are they depending on to score goals?”

Ecuador's Goal Scoring Challenges

29:20 to 29:51

Discussion on Ecuador's struggles to score goals and the surprising elements in the tournament environment.

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Belgium vs Egypt Match Breakdown

30:17 to 36:38

Analysis of the Belgium vs Egypt match, including player performances and missed opportunities.

“Egypt would have the better of the first half.”

Egypt's World Cup Aspirations

36:38 to 38:48

Discussion on Egypt's history in the World Cup and their performance against Belgium.

“But in the end, I think they shot themselves in the foot.”

Iran vs New Zealand Game Reflection

40:05 to 42:00

Review of the exciting Iran vs New Zealand match emphasizing emotional and footballing elements.

“New Zealand would twice take the lead just with a brace within this tie.”

Iran vs New Zealand Match Analysis

42:00 to 44:12

A detailed analysis of the entertaining match between Iran and New Zealand.

“But as Nadim says, the spectacle is fun.”

Qualification Chances Discussion

44:12 to 46:18

Discussion on which team has a better chance to qualify based on their performance.

“from what you saw today, given that I'm being presumptuous that Egypt and Belgium will be OK?”

Upcoming Matches Preview

48:57 to 53:12

Preview of the upcoming matches including France vs Senegal and discussions about France's team.

“The favourites, France, kick off their campaign against Senegal.”

Lighthearted Banter and Personal Stories

53:44 to 56:00

Casual and humorous exchanges between hosts about food and personal experiences.

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Nostalgic College Memories

56:00 to 58:00

Discussion about past experiences in college, including first dates and local hangouts.

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Sweden's Impressive Win Analysis

58:00 to 1:01:12

Analysis of Sweden's recent performance in a match and key player highlights.

“What were your impressions of Sweden's win last night?”

Managerial Changes and Team Morale

1:01:12 to 1:02:22

Discussion on the implications of a possible mid-tournament managerial change for Tunisia.

“We had Colin on who kind of dismissed some of the rumours that Tunisia did fire their manager.”

Looking Ahead to Tomorrow's Matches

1:02:22 to 1:02:48

Preview of upcoming World Cup matches and expectations for the teams.

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Looking Ahead to Tomorrow's Matches

1:03:12 to 1:03:35

Preview of upcoming World Cup matches and expectations for the teams.

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1:19Welcome in to the latest edition of ESPN FC where day five was all about Kate Verde holding Spain to a nil-nil draw. Incredible scenes around the world. A massive upset in the World Cup. Lots more to talk about. It's all about draws. Every single match would finish in a tie. And here to discuss it with us, Alejandro Moreno and Nader Manua. But let's kick things off with that big story today. Spain, who were minus 1 ,000 going into the kickoff against Cape Verde. That means you had about$1 ,000 on to win just 100. There was a story of a man putting a million on, thinking he was printing money. But in the end, Cape Verde were one of the biggest upsets we've seen in World Cup history as it would finish nil-nil.

2:05For more on this, from an African perspective, we're welcoming Colin Udo. But first, former Spanish international Mario Suarez is with us. Mario, que bucuenza, eh? How embarrassing.

2:22Don't start like that, please. What do you want me to say? Oh, you tried hard. The goalkeeper did well. What an embarrassment for a Spain side who come into this match and wins this tournament as one of the favourites to win it all.

2:40Yes, what can I tell you? It was not the best match. What we are talking here in Spain is that we need to have Pedri closer to Rodri than to Oyarzabal, that nobody can replace Lamine Jamal, that we need to play with wingers is the way we won the Eurocopa two years ago. And that there are a lot of important players in Spain that they didn't arrive at 100%. That is the big concern, that in a World Cup, you need your best players to arrive in the best shape possible. How the heck did this happen? Well, let's just get it out of the way and give Cape Verde some love. In terms of them playing defensively and playing together and solidarity with how much they were willing to work for each other.

3:36Okay, once we get past that and beyond that, there is no surprise as to Cape Verde play today in regards to how they were going to play. We always knew that they were going to be behind the ball, that they were just going to sit back and absorb pressure and hopefully hang on, hang on, hang on. Goalkeeper was going to have to come up with a couple of saves. You knew that Spain were going to carry all of the possession. What was really concerning for me from the Spanish perspective is how deliberate and slow the possession was. And it's so slow. and it's moving sideways and sideways and back and sideways again.

4:17And we go around 18-yard box and we go left and we go right and we go back again. And never do you try to do something different. And it's everybody. You know I love me some Pedri. I love me some Pedri with a passion. But he was just as guilty as everybody else in just the ball being played sideways and back and slowing down the pace of the game. And all of that played into the hands of Cape Verde because they kept the game in front of them. It wasn't until La Minha Mal got on the field that we actually saw 1v1 situations and we also saw somebody actually playing a ball in behind. You can count in one hand the times in which Spain tried to get in behind Cape Verde.

5:03And I recognize that there isn't a whole lot of space there, but you have to try to turn them around with early services into the box. The one time that they tried in the first half, it ended up being Cucurella getting in behind and then the ball being cut back to Ferran Torres. He hits it off the crossbar. The second time that happened was Laminya Mar with the outside of the left foot and Dani Olmo getting in behind and ends up on a chance, clear opportunity for Mikael Ogasawa that gets deflected by the defender and out of bounds. Why are they not doing this more often? It was like they went back to 2022 and it felt like you were watching them playing against Morocco.

5:37And it was the same thing. Slow, slow. A to B to C to D and back again. It was unwatchable from the Spanish perspective. And it's something that they should have known because they really talked about it in the press conference. Que Verde's going to sit behind the ball. There's going to be a lot of spaces available. If you knew it, then do something about it. It was so, to your point, embarrassing, but also frustrating to watch Spain play this way. So where I would, I mostly agree with what you're saying. I mostly agree, but I don't fully agree because I think some of it doesn't give enough credit to Cape Verde.

6:11I did give credit to Cape Verde. Some of it. I've not made my point yet. Because you were talking about how they move it slow and side to side. And I think sometimes that's the way a defensive setup will force a team to play. If a team is extremely compact in terms of how they defend, then it's going to be a lot harder to be finding those penetrating passes. If a team isn't coming out and jumping to try and win the ball from you, then it's a bit harder to move it quickly and make something change. So I think at times when a team plays in a way that Cape Verde did, then it does force another side to play in a particular way.

6:39And this is when sides like Spain and others domestically, when a team goes into like a really deep, compact, hard-working low block, then the game can feel like a more boring game because there's only one side as such playing in a front footy type manner. and I think for Spain, you know I'm with Mario, like if they can have their wingers be available and to play and to be fit they would have a bigger impact because with someone like Laminya when you play against these these sides that will drop into a low block to be fully committed with their defending and to be incredibly organized and know exactly what the task is you need that bit of magic.

7:10I think you saw the Travella from Laminya Mao for Daniel Mo as you say that's very different to anything that we saw before. When the ball goes out wide now instead of going to like a Ferran Torres who isn't a wide player. I think there's, was it Gavi on the other side as well? Like these just aren't wide players. So they see a very different game when they're in those spots. And I think when you come up against a side that's that compact, you want to be able to have those sort of flair players, the ones that can see a different sort of game and make something happen. But Laminia-Miles not fit enough.

7:38Nico Williams probably isn't fit enough. But I think they will build into that. And this is obviously an historic day for Cape Verde. But for Spain, as I say, it's disappointing that they didn't have enough magic themselves with the players on the pitch. You both mentioned it, Mario. We knew this was the way that Cape Verde were going to set up. We knew that Williams wasn't going to start. We knew that Laminya Mar wasn't going to start. Why wasn't there a plan B in place to expose them, to stretch them, to get wingers into the game? Or is it simple as if you don't have Williams and you don't have Laminya Mar, you may as well go back, as Ali said, to Luis Enrique in charge, because this is what we've seen before from Spain.

8:13And if you don't have those two players, you may as well go home now.

8:20Well, it's not 100 % like that because they try or the coach try to put Gabi to play inside to give Kukureya all the win for him. And he created two really good assists to Ferran that he was almost close to a score. But the problem is that if Nico can only play five minutes, I don't know if he's going to be ready to play 90 minutes against Saudi Arabia or against Uruguay. And Victor Muñoz, the other winger, hey, it has been injured for one month right now also. And Jeremy Pino, you are not playing with him because in the last five matches, you played with Baena there without a winger. So there is a big concern about that, that the best version of Spain we saw with wingers.

9:09and you are not using them because Lamin Jamal, I think he's going to start against Saudi because now you have to win the two matches you have more time and you saw there are some stats, I don't care about the passes, about they are the most, or the better team in terms of position of the ball passes, but there is one good stat there, that is also the best team in terms of shots on target but the problem today is that they didn't score. They played, I can tell you, worst matches during the qualifying and they won with just one shot or two shots on target. The problem is that this today is in a World Cup and you cannot fail these kind of matches in the World Cup if you want to win it.

9:57That's the reality. Let's welcome in Colin Udo to take us things from a Cape Verde spectator. And there's been a lot of talk, Colin, hasn't there? 48 teams, it's going to ruin the World Cup. Hey, but Cape Verde, even if there were 32 teams, Cape Verde were in this World Cup. This is a team that eliminated Cameroon to get there. But even though they did that, Colin, the fact they went head-to-head against Spain today and got that draw is so incredible. I think it's remarkable, really. Not many people thought they were going to get. I mean, a draw was, as far as, I mean, the way I saw it, they got a 0-0 win against Spain, not a draw.

10:40And when you think about it, you know, coming in here, people thought they were going to get plastered. But I don't think anybody sort of, you know, looked at Cape Verde. Like you said, they've eliminated Cameroon not once, not twice. They've done it, I mean, they removed Cameroon from the AFCON qualifying in 2013. and then they've done it again in the World Cup qualifying and they went to AFCON, kept three clean sheets in five games. Before that, they've had nine clean sheets in total and the goalkeeper, Voxenia, he is a remarkable gentleman. And, you know, as much as we're talking about what Spain could have done and what Spain could not have done, let's also think about the fact that Spain's record against African teams at the World Cup is not so good.

11:21They've played six matches, they've only won two. Those two, they've won against Tunisia and Cote d 'Ivoire. Prior to that, they lost to Nigeria 3-3 in 1998. In 2018, they drew 0-0 with Morocco. Last World Cup, they also drew against Morocco and got eliminated on penalty kicks. So I think in some ways, there's a banana peel here for Spain when it comes to African teams. But we've got to give credit to Kiva. The distance between them and Spain in the world rankings and the fact that they came out there, played without fear, and they got the point that they needed, I think it's commendable. especially when you consider that almost all the players, at least half the players, were born and played in Cape Verde.

12:01Colin Vosinho, as you mentioned, the goalkeeper got mad in the match. Tell us a little bit more about his story. You were saying it's really interesting. Oh, yeah, he was born in Cape Verde, and he's played there for most of his time. And he's 40 years old. And incidentally, he was found through LinkedIn, where the advertisement was made. and he's been there with them from 2012, where he became from his first international and he's helped them through all of these major spots that they've accomplished through qualifying for the AFCON twice. And don't forget, they qualified for AFCON on both occasions.

12:37They made it to the knockout stages. And, you know, he's come here and he's shown the world that, yes, this is who he is. He is him. He's not afraid. He can do the job. He's 40 years old. His last major tournament and now definitely has become a Spain-Cavarri legend, an African legend. Five million followers apparently he has now from 50 ,000 that he had at the kickoff. That's about the same amount of abuse I've had from Arsenal fans. You had it coming there. How much does today affect how we look at Spain as contenders to win this whole World Cup? Well, I think it affects it in the sense that it's very clear that unless you have Lamin-Yamal and Nico Williams on the other side, this team becomes very limited in the attack.

13:25And I don't think there's any other way to explain it and to try to dissect it. If they don't have Lamin-Yamal playing at a high level and Nico Williams on the other side doing the same thing, then they become very predictable. and they don't seem to have any other thought or ideas to how to go about breaking teams down unless you have that wing play. Because as Mario mentioned, the idea today of playing Gabby, who is questionable, the fact that Gabby's a combative guy. He just wants to get into physical battles and that's the sort of game he wants to play. You didn't really need that today against Cape Verde.

14:01You needed creativity. You needed somebody who saw a different picture, who was able to find a splitting pass, which is not his game. So that decision in itself is questionable from Luis de la Fuente. And so they were trying in having him play more in a central position, as Mario mentioned, to have Cucurella get up and down the left-hand side. You were not getting the same thing on the right-hand side from Marco Llorente, which you would expect from him that he's an up-and-down guy, but didn't really have the impact on the right-hand side. And so if you don't have those two guys playing at a high level, it's difficult to make a case for Spain.

14:31Beyond that, and this is just me watching the game, full disclosure, I picked Spain to win the World Cup when we did our bracket, right? I'm watching the game, and I'm hearing the environment in the stadium as they just continue to have that mindless possession, nonsense possession for the sake of possession. And the stadium is starting to whistle and boo. To the point to where I'm watching the game, they lose the ball late, and now Cape Verde is going the other direction. I said, go on and score. Go on and score, because you deserve to beat this team, because this team today was, you mentioned it, and I don't think it's an exaggeration.

15:04For the standards of Spain, picked to win the World Cup by many, including myself, this was an embarrassing performance, and it has to improve. The good thing is, for them, good news, glass at full, that's the sort of guy I am, the other game in this group ended up in a draw. And so it feels like you have a do-over in the second match against Saudi Arabia. They have to improve, Luis de la Fuente said as much in the press conference. I imagine that they will. lost their opening game when they won the World Cup. Argentina lost against Saudi Arabia, obviously. So how many conclusions do we draw, big picture, from this?

15:39Do you know what? I'm not going to lie. I think Mario's had a big impact on me here in terms of how he's spoken about the Spanish team and performances that they've had in the past. And it's making me look at it in a slightly different manner. So I think, like, obviously, LA is not having it at all, not having a single bit of it. But I'm going to go the other way because I think on a different day, they probably do just score more goals. And I think any time it comes down to poor finishing, I look at the fact that they were still able to create chances. And I think going forward, you're not going to be backing a team like this to continue to...

16:08But they've got their best strikers on the pitch, haven't they? It's not like they were waiting for a best striker. So, for example, if we're going to talk about, say, XG from this game, and it's like 2.2 something, when they're more efficient, that ends up being like three or four goals. And that's the team that is capable of doing just that. So a day when they don't score, I think in some ways, that's more so the outlier as opposed to the other way. So I'm backing them to be just fine, especially with Luminiumar coming back to World Fitness as well. I think they'll hit the ground running, probably top the group and be great in the knockouts.

16:38So you watched that performance today and that to you looked like a potential World Cup winner. Well, which performance have you seen so far that suggests one? Because you're going to talk about the USA, for example. No, I'm asking about today. We're talking about Spain and Cape Verde. I'm saying there is potential in terms of certain things that they did today. because, as you've said, teams have lost that first game before and still gone on to win the World Cup. So I am saying, for the sake of your bracket as well, that Spain is still very capable. I don't know why you're pointing the finger at me.

17:06Your bracket. I'm asking the question. If you watch Spain today, you know what? I'm not going to ask you the question. I'll ask Mario Suarez the question. You watch Spain today, you watch them play, the pace with which they played the game today, does that fill you with confidence going into the rest of the tournament?

17:29Ale, do you know that in Qatar, Argentina lost his first match? No, there we go. Do you know that in 2010? No, no, no. It's true. Look, look. In 2010, Spain lost his first match and they won the World Cup. So we cannot change just for one match. What a bad performance. By the way, I have to talk about Cabo Verde. They played really well defensively. I like, Cabo Verde. But I'm not going to change my mind in terms of Spain as a contender. For me, he's one of the best teams. Of course, if they don't win, we are going to talk bad about them. But not just because of the first match of our World Cup that the history said that is not an easy one.

18:13And nothing can say about that. Mario, how happy are you that you stayed up there to be with us? You're like... Ali's not happy. Ale is not happy. It's just to compare the 2010 World Cup losing to Switzerland in that match in which Spain just completely outplayed Switzerland and had a bunch of chances, should have won the game. And it was a far more inspiring performance than what we saw today. Look, if we want to go back in time, yeah, sure, 1990 World Cup, Cameroon beats Argentina, Argentina ends up making it to the World Cup final. I mean, we can have all that conversation, but you cannot tell me that you watch Spain play today and say, Vamos España!

18:49Yeah! That's the way that my team should look. This was not a good performance. Come on now. To be honest, for me, the best performance that I saw in the World Cup was not Germany, it was USA, to be honest. For me, the first half of the USA match was amazing. But apart from that, I don't see another team much better or favorite. I saw teams that played better than Spain. but I don't see them as a contender for the title, even Germany. Even Germany won 7-1 to Curacao. I don't see Germany as a contender. So your position is because everybody else is bad, then it's okay for us to be bad. I don't care about the result.

19:32Mario Suarez, you'll be with me. What I mean is that I don't care about one performance or one result. This is a long road, you know. There is more seven or eight more matches to the final. and I think Spain has a lot to improve, sorry, but they can improve and they have to get back Lamine, to get back Nico, to get the best version of Rodri, to get so, I mean, they have tools to improve. There is no like oh, we have here a really bad team and we cannot improve. No. I trust Spain. They have now six days until the next match. I think 12 days, almost two weeks until Uruguay. So there is a lot of time to improve.

20:14Believe in Spain. Belief, Ale. I picked Spain. I actually believe in Spain. I picked them. Nobody else here did. I picked them. So, yeah, I should believe. I must believe. Let's end on a positive note, shall we, Colin? Just try and put into context what today's result, how it will change those players' lives going forward. I think it started already. We talked about it where we had Vosinha and it means the voice where he's gone from 50 ,000 followers on social media to what, chasing 5 million now. And then after the game, the country's president, who's been around cheering them, was in the dressing room, talking to each one, each and every one of them, one after the other, congratulating them on the result that they've got.

20:58And they're all heroes, they're legends. Just like when you look back at that Cameroon team that Ale's talking about from Argentina, the Nigeria team that got to in 1994, before this is the same kind of pantheon that this Cape Verde team have got themselves onto. And I think that, look, if they continue like this and they make it to, and I think they probably are going to make it because the way they've played against Spade, they carry that on, they probably get a result in the next game, and they make it to round of 32. And that's a great accomplishment. In any case, look, I believe that Cape Verde have done a lot for Africa, and I hope that they continue because all of Africa is behind them, unlike a certainty that I will not measure right now.

21:41Brilliant, Colin. Colin will be joining us a little later on as we'll be talking about Egypt against Belgium. Mario had a little incident before the start of the show where the camera slipped below his waistline. Oh, hello. Unfortunately, this is a family show, so we can't be showing that to everyone despite the demands from some of the people. That's nice legs. Yeah, that's nice legs. They were nice, tiny whities. Not true. You're lying. You're lying. So nice legs. Thank you so much, Mario. Hopefully it's more of a positive conversation the next time you're on. For more on Spain's failings in their opening match against Cal Verde, be sure to check out Alex Kirkland's article over on the website.

22:23Saudi Arabia in action against Uruguay. Now, this is the other game from Group H. And you look at this, you go, oh, what a great chance for Uruguay to really stamp their authority on this group. They didn't. First half, poor performance from the South American side. So much so at the Saudi Arabia, who would take the lead with four minutes to go. Al-Ari scoring just before the break. Eventually, Uruguay would make that breakthrough to make it 1-1. Arauco with the equalizer. But Ali, you look at this and you think, God, this is two points. What a missed opportunity from Uruguay. And given the result from Spain, then yes, you would have had the chance if you were Uruguay to really control how this group plays out.

23:07And now that opportunity, well, it's not quite there. For Uruguay, I think what would be most disappointing is the performance of the first half, where it was, if you think of Uruguay, historically speaking, this is a team that depends on aggression. There wasn't enough of that in the first half. Especially disappointing when you think that they're playing in Miami, and it is a home game for them. That stadium was packed with Uruguayan fans, and you're thinking all that energy is going to translate into intensity on the field, which we did not see in the first half. We did see it in the second half, and give credit to Uruguayan, that they came back into the match.

23:50They started dominating the possession. They started dominating the aggression of the game in the midfield. We saw Fede Valverde overwhelming the midfielders of Saudi Arabia, running past people and being far more involved in the attack. They were creating more chances, but that doesn't mean that they're going to score more goals because Uruguay has had an issue with scoring goals. This goes back to World Cup qualifiers. They've had issues finding that consistency. They had those issues again today. They had plenty of opportunities to put this match away. They did not. They get a late equalizer.

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24:24I suppose in their minds they would say that they salvaged a point, and now they just kind of set themselves up for what the rest of the group is going to look like. But to your point, Dan, and I think it's an accurate one, this was a wasted opportunity for Uruguay to really put some pressure on the other teams in this group. I think that's really fair. I was very surprised by the performance in that first half, and I was expecting them to have a bit more energy, to be on the front foot, to be thinking of my sort of perception of a Bielsa side. But it certainly wasn't that in that first half, but the second half was much better.

24:55The energy was higher. You could see Saudi Arabia were struggling. The goalkeeper was indifferent. We'll call him indifferent. He made a good save, but yeah, he was indifferent. But I would have liked to see him be tested out more. But for Uruguay, especially given the fact that Spain dropped points, something that nobody really expected, I think it's a big loss for them. And why are South American teams so rubbish? In general? How about it? Venezuela, none of them have won yet. Have they? Paraguay, Brazil, Ecuador? Yeah, neither has Venezuela. I do believe that there has been separation in the qualifiers in which you have Argentina and then you have everybody else.

25:36And in that everybody else group, you have a lot of parity within that, parity that sometimes borders on being mediocre. And so much so that in qualifiers in South America, if you string a couple of results, you're jumping two teams. You're jumping places because it's sort of by attrition that teams are able to survive that qualifying cycle. But now you get to the World Cup and it's a different type of competition. And now you have to bring something else other than the attrition. You have to bring some quality in the attack. You have to bring some dynamic movement, some creativity. You have to bring goals.

26:12You have to bring something different and you're just not seeing it. And Ecuador at times were very good in their match, but they couldn't find the back of the net. They hit the post a couple of times. Uruguay today in the second half, they dominated Saudi Arabia, but they couldn't find the back of the net with any sort of consistency. I just mentioned that. And it just feels like these are teams that were struggling to score goals for three and a half years in a World Cup qualifying cycle. It shouldn't be a surprise that they're struggling to score goals now. There's Argentina in South America, and then there's everybody else, and that includes Brazil as well.

26:45And that parody, as I mentioned, sometimes could be described as mediocrity. That's where we are right now. And that's what the performances have shown so far. It pains me to say that. It hurts me to say that. Because imagine if I'm saying that these teams that are representing South America so far have had mediocre performances. What does that mean for the teams around South America that did not make it? Like who? Which teams? Vamos, Venezuela! No, no, you don't get to say it. They're not even here. It's just... It's just sad. It's funny, isn't it? So the way you're talking about common ball from the perspective of somebody that has been a part of it, covers it from start to finish.

27:22Over in the UK, everyone's like, oh, because of the conditions in North America, all the South American teams are going to be great. They're all going to go and win it. And then you just go and watch them play, and it's been underwhelming, to say the very least. In all honesty, Natum, short on talent. Short on talent. You look at a team like Uruguay, and you tell me in the final third, where are the difference makers? Who's starting for Uruguay up top? It's Darwin Nunes. The reclamation project that is Darwin Nunes. Lovely hair. Beautiful, beautiful. That's how you lost your hair, wasn't it? Absolutely.

27:57In 1994. Yes, it went wrong and it never came back. So Darwin Nunes is starting. And you look at Ecuador, who are they depending on to score goals? Ener Valencia is still the guy that's starting up top for them. So it's not an accident. It's not a coincidence that they're struggling to score goals. As I mentioned, they did so in qualifiers. They're doing it now. What's a surprise for me is that given the environment, which is where I think a lot of the South American teams would have an advantage in terms of the attendance in the stadium, which you're seeing today from Uruguay and you saw from Ecuador yesterday, that that's not making more of a difference.

28:38I am banking on Argentina and I'm banking on Colombia. and their fans to make a difference in the stands, but more importantly, for their players to make a difference on the field. Where's it stands? Uruguay, of course, a tied top, man tied bottom, tied second, tied third, because let's take a look at how Group H stands. Everyone on one point after the opening round of games.

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30:16Let's go to Group G, shall we? Belgium in action against Egypt. Egypt would have the better of the first half. Actually, it would open the scoring into the second half and it'd be Romelu Kaku's introduction that would disrupt the Egyptian defence and it would be an own goal in the end that would see Belgium get the equaliser. Both teams had chances in that second half. But in the end, it finishes. Belgium won, Egypt won. Fair result, Nen?

30:47Yes, I suppose just about in the end. I think in some ways that's the disappointment because I think Egypt's on paper. They're the historic African champions when it comes down to, say, AFCON and things like that but they have no real standing at the World Cup level they've never won a game so looking at it I was expecting a bit more from Belgium not to necessarily control and completely dominate the game but just have something a little bit extra so for them to essentially have to come back in that manner and maybe walk off the pitch and say oh one point is good enough I'm conflicted at the moment because I want to believe in the idea of building momentum you know Ancelotti was saying you don't win the World Cup on the very first game so I'm trying to see the positives from that but then we've also seen better versions of a belgium side fall short in the past and this doesn't feel like one of those sides at this moment for me but i suppose i'll just take the point and keep keep moving so one one was fair i said yes at the start then i said a bit extra okay yeah thanks though thanks for listening no it's all right i just no no worries thank you sorry no you do whatever you want it's fine you can do whatever you want Sorry, what did you say?

31:54Alley 1-1, looking at it. Belgium go into this as favourites, yeah? But they didn't really play like favourites? No, and actually, in the second half, there is a sequence in which Omar Marmouche turns his defenders somewhere around midfield and goes on a long run himself and looks like he is about to perhaps find the second goal for Egypt, and that obviously would have made it far more complicated for Belgium. He misses a chance, gets a little nudge from the defender. And once he missed that chance, he kind of goes, well, Belgium are kind of pushing. It's more of territorial sort of pressure more so than actual chances being created by Belgium.

32:33And whatever you may think of Romelu Lukaku, he comes on the field and him throwing his body around made it difficult for Egypt to defend. and truth be told what we saw from Romelu Lukaku is the things that we have seen over the years in which he might have been able to score the goal but did not but he was there in the play ends up being a known goal and then he gets a clear glorious opportunity late in the match service coming from the right hand side it's a header that he has at the very least to put on target he does not and it's a sort of image that splits opinions on Romelu Lukaku a guy that has score a bunch of goals for Belgium internationally, but it's actually, in my estimation, more remember about the misses.

33:20And I go back to the last World Cup and the bunch of misses that he had and that you think might have made a difference for Belgium. Today could have made a difference. I thought he did make a difference coming off the bench, but he could have been the hero. Was not. 1-1. Feels like a fair result just because Belgium I don't think did enough to really claim that this is a game that they should have won. You must have played against Lukaku? I do play against Lukaku. Back in the day, Nader? Back in the day, yeah. Decades ago it was. It wasn't a dig, it was a fact. Well, yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough, Dan.

33:54Fair enough. I'll let you have that one. You seem very angry today, Nader. No, just this evening. But I did play against him, yeah. And interestingly, when he's coming on off the bench there, there's obviously people who have their ideas about Lukaku, where they think he's good or where they don't think that he is. But there wouldn't have been any defenders regips who are like oh this is good news lukaku's coming on right you know the impact they can have on the game because ali might remember some of his missed chances but the defenders know how they have to try and defend against them and i think in terms of which is how is it just is it the physicality well there's obviously more to it than that considering the fact that he's the all-time top goal scorer for belgium like the the fellow has scored 90 goals for belgium so yes even though some people might want to remember him for missed chances i think the belgian side remembering for the goals that he scored like he's an icon of Belgian football and the fact that he came on today and had that impact I think uh the Catullary I think it was who started ahead of him like he's good but for me I would rather see Lukaku there and as well sometimes I think we almost look at him as being a bit older than he is you know he's 33 years old just turned and the grand scheme is the way football is now that's you know you've got someone in 41 years of age in Ronaldo that's still playing so I'm I do play against him I'm happy that he's doing well I'm happy he's a record goal scorer and I think he's had a hell of a career as well and maybe, just maybe it can be the difference of Belgium this time.

35:12Colin, talk us through the point from an Egyptian point of view. They'd be happy with that. No, most definitely not. I mean, look, Egypt, as far as I'm concerned, this was not a fair result. I think Egypt should have won and when I say not a fair result, I don't mean in terms of you know, whatever complaints anybody might have had. I think that Egypt did not do themselves justice. After that goal, they had many other, at least two or three other opportunities. And Ali mentioned it with Mamouche, who had a chance to get them in front and decided to go for glory when he could have played a much better.

35:45At some point, I thought he was even playing for Belgium because it almost seemed like he was holding up Egypt's attack. And for the quality of player that he is, I did expect a lot more from him. And like I said, you know, Egypt deserved to put themselves in a situation of winning this game. They were Africa's first ever participant at the World Cup in 1934. and since then they have not got a single win from the World Cup despite being record African champions. And today they had a chance to do that on Mohamed Salah's birthday and they failed to take advantage. And then Lukaku comes on. You're a defender.

36:21You know who Lukaku is. You know how many goals he scored. You know that he pushed his body around and they just switch off. Let him get into that position and get the goal and he almost got a second. So I think it's just kind of infuriating for me because I think that he deserved more from this game. But in the end, I think they shot themselves in the foot. Also, on the Belgium side, what did you make of your good mate Kevin De Bruyne? What did I make of him? I thought the celebration between himself and Lukaku was good. Good, that's what he brings to the table. This is why I've come to America, to tell you things like that.

36:52Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, obviously. Good decision by us. Yeah, exactly. Obviously, you know, he didn't have his best day, but I think he can still have a huge impact in his tournament. This is objectively talking. This is somewhere between objective and subjective and fandom. But yeah, he's obviously an incredible player. He might not be his absolute best as we've seen in years gone by, but there's still moments which he has which can sort of define games. I think that's what we've talked about, say, for example, with a Lamin-Yemal in the Spain game. And other teams, when you're trying to break down sides who are going to be essentially fighting for their lives, they're playing for their countries at the World Cup.

37:28They will do anything to try and stop some of these attackers. That's when you need that bit of magic, and De Bruyne has still got that in them. Colin, overall, what have you made of the Africans' contribution to the tournament so far? Obviously a great result for Morocco against Brazil. Ivory Coast with that win as well. Oh, fantastic. I mean, six games, six points. Unfortunately, disappointed by Tunisia. They almost always seem to do that. They're just such a dysfunctional unit there. We heard stories that the coach was going to be fired, and then he wasn't fired, took charge of practice earlier today.

37:59and then it turns out the members of the federation say they're going to resign if the coach doesn't get fired and everyone in Tunisia and Africa is thinking look it's good news all of you guys get the heck out of there because you guys are reading Tunisia football the earlier you can get away the better and then we can talk about the coach so yeah overall good for Africa the only dark spot would be South Africa because just based on what's going on back there they're in a position where almost all of Africa is hate watching South Africa from Ghana, Nigeria, everywhere, Zimbabwe, even Botswana.

38:33Everybody just doesn't win. But otherwise, I think it's been a great tournament so far for Africa. And I hope that we continue and get something, probably a couple more wins in the next round. Colin, great stuff as always. Of course, Colin will be joining us throughout the tournament. And just to keep up to date with all the latest news in the World Cup, just go to our YouTube channel. Lays is an official sponsor of the FIFA World Cup 2026. Lays is also the official sponsor of all Bandwagon fans. That's right, this summer Lays is inviting everyone to jump on the bandwagon because win or lose, what's important is keeping the party going.

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39:54To the late game then in Group G. A reminder, it finished Belgium 1, Egypt 1. So the winner of this tie would go top of the group. In the end, this would finish in a draw. Thoroughly entertaining to sigh. New Zealand would twice take the lead just with a brace within this tie. But twice within the match, Iran got themselves back into the game. So overall, it finishes Iran 2, New Zealand 2, meaning that everybody is on a point in the draw. It's impossible not to start but to talk about Iran in this game. We saw that emotional interview that the players gave to Jeff Carlisle leading up to this tie.

40:33And today, Iran went on the pitch, played against New Zealand, and it's nice we're going to be talking about the football. Yeah, it is nice that we can be talking about the football. Now that football is over, obviously there are other things that can be spoken about. But from a footballing perspective, you could see how much it meant to them to get a chance to play at a World Cup. If we say, if we for a second think it's not necessarily about the location, but playing at a World Cup itself, it's a dream come true for so many players. Like obviously the ones who were lucky enough to play in multiple, that's a huge privilege.

41:01But for them, they wanted to go out there, they wanted to do their nation proud, do each other proud. And it seemed like as well in the stadium, they had a really good following. A really, really good following. It was really loud in there. every positive action, whether it's a pass, a shot, a tackle, the goals. And that's a great thing for them to be able to celebrate. There were players who were playing today who I believe haven't been able to play in the domestic league for probably three or four months because of the war that's been going on within their country. So it was a huge moment for them.

41:27It's a huge moment for probably football and just geopolitics and all sorts. And just from a footballing perspective, I think it's probably the best game of the day as well. Really enjoyed that game. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Both teams had chances. Ali went to New Zealand once. He bangs on about it a lot. I played against Chris Wood once as well. There you go, you see. Back in the day or not. Can I say that? We're going to get grumpy again. Eight years ago. Was that back in the day? Yes. Way back there. I'm in my 30s now. I was in my 30s then. This game maybe didn't have the quality that we'll see from other matches within this tournament.

42:00But as Nadim says, the spectacle is fun. Entertainment value from this match. And in all honesty, as we sort of stay late to do this show and you think about the late game is Iran-New Zealand, it's not like we were sitting in the green room going, oh, we're excited. We have to watch this. Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. Well, I don't know. Grumpy Natum. Let me just tell you, Natum after dark gets grumpy. Real grumpy. And so it was surprisingly a good game, an entertaining game. I thought New Zealand in their combination play that ended up in the goals. I thought that was outstanding. The first goal, hold the play, although it was poor defending from Iran, but hold the play nonetheless from Chris Wood and then a little lay of action and then you find the finish.

42:48The combination for their second goal was also really good. Although you have to say that the Iran goalkeeper did a good job of diving out of the way, which usually makes a chance. Is that not a good thing? No, no. I'm going to go with, officially speaking, probably not. But give credit to Iran that were able to come back twice in the match. And in the end, if you think about who was going to win this match or who was going to be more likely to win this match, it felt like it was Iran because New Zealand were barely hanging on. So again, had this match gone another 5, 10 minutes, it felt like Iran were very much getting close to the possibility of scoring a game winner.

43:27I do think, though, and it's something that you alluded in your question, Dan, is that what made it entertaining is also what tells us that these teams are not quite to the level they need to be. If you think of New Zealand years past, they were not productive in the attack, but they were very good defensively. And had they gone up twice in a game, more likely than not they would have won this match. And that wasn't the case today. And in the case of Iran, I just saw individual mistakes that I think are going to be detrimental to any chances they may have or advancing anywhere in this competition.

44:02Let's not forget, though, this competition offers you a lifeline. Yes, it does. You finish third place. Eight out of 12 will qualify. Which of those two teams are more likely to qualify from what you saw today, given that I'm being presumptuous that Egypt and Belgium will be OK?

44:22I'm going to say... I'm going to say Iran. OK. I'm going to say Iran. I think maybe they've got a little bit of like Team of Destiny vibes about them to be at least beginning to the next round So I'm gonna go for them, but I was impressed by New Zealand because I watched them a week ago play against England And I thought they were rubbish I'm on this. I know New Zealand New Zealand I thought this is we made them after dark But I think New Zealand has just come off losing 4-0 to Haiti to Haiti. Yeah Well, obviously we see a good side anyway, but yeah So I was impressed by this and I thought Chris Wood was great and I think just as well the joint top scorer in the whole World Cup By the way, it's got two cracking goals.

45:02So Unfortunately, I'm still going for Iran. Okay So you gave this whole case for New Zealand, but you're going with Iran? No, I started off by saying Iran Then I talked about New Zealand and then I went back to Iran. Yeah. Well, thanks for listening Ridiculous like why am I here? Who are you talking to? I'm done. I'm done. Did Ben tell you that I went to New Zealand once? No, please tell us. Oh, my Wellington Phoenix. Went to the Lord of the Rings, dressed up. Oh, it was a wonderful time. I don't think either one of these teams is advancing. But the lifeline. Only four teams will not advance to finish third, Alec.

45:40Well, I know. But what I'm saying is that there may be a bunch of draws coming up. and I don't think they are good enough to actually win games. Right. And you're going to need to win a game at some point. And this was the winnable game for both of them. Now they're going to play against the two teams that would be the favorites in this group. I don't think either one of these teams beats Belgium. And they may draw Egypt. I don't think they beat Egypt. That's why I don't think it's going to be enough. You never know. You never know. Well, I don't know. I'm just projecting. The third place thing to get to the knockout, the only time that really rings true in my mind, from talking about European perspective, was Portugal.

46:23Do you remember when Portugal won the Euros? They drew their three group games. Yes. He did not remember that. I don't remember that. I think it was 2016. They did it. And also, I believe, from an AFCON perspective, it's a shame Colin's not on anymore, I think Ivory Coles did it. Two AFCONs ago. Beautiful. Never know. You never know. Let's just remind you then how the group stands. There it is. Belgium, Egypt, Iran, and New Zealand all on a point. The world's biggest soccer tournament has arrived, and you can trade the entire tournament on Kalshi. On Kalshi, you can trade every match from the opening stage all the way to the final.

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49:09It's Iraq against Norway. Austria take on Jordan and Argentina, the defending champions against Algeria. France against Senegal. Let's look ahead to that with Jules and Gab. Thanks, Dan. Jules, tomorrow, France v Senegal in North Jersey. It's a bit like a build-up to Christmas. I know you're so excited to go and see the runners-up of the last World Cup go out there. What's the vibe? I mean, I won't lie, Gab. It's a tricky game to start your tournament, isn't it? This Senegalese team is very good. The best in Africa over the last 10 years, really. If you were impressed with Avery Coast, if you've been impressed with Morocco as well, they will also impress you because they're a very strong unit in a slightly different way than Avery Coast and Morocco.

49:57But they can play, they can defend, they're solid. there's a question mark over Koulibaly's fitness. But overall, it's a really good team. And remember what happened in 2002, when France were the holders after winning in 1998, and Senegal beat them in that opening game in the 2002 World Cup. So it will be tricky. France are the favourite. Of course, they've got this incredible attacking line, and we know that Dembele, Olysses, Mbappe, and Dwey will start up front. But will they click? How will they click? How will we beat this France team? There's a few uncertainty still around a collective performance from them.

50:26So it won't be easy, undoubtedly. Yeah, we rarely get surprises from Didier Deschamps in terms of pulling things out of left field. So we're pretty confident that this is what it is. But maybe we're not 100 % sure that front four, how the pieces are going to fit together. Yeah, exactly. I mean, for example, there's a reason why Hugo Kitiki would have started on the left-hand side if he'd been fit. It's because he offers a different profile that combines really well with Kylian Mbappe and all his movement. Desiree Dway on the left-hand side is very different. I would start Turam, for example. Just because of that, he's not as good as Dway or Cherky or Barcola.

51:04But when Kylian will drop, then Turam will take his position as a more traditional number nine, really. And you won't get that with Dway. So my fear is that that kind of area of the box is being a little bit empty when Kylian drops everywhere. And when Dway is on the left and Olysee on the right and Dembele more central. So we'll have to see if that front four clicks. On paper, it looks great. But in reality, I'm not sure they all have their bearings together yet. Jules, I hate predictions, so I won't give one extra other than the fact that I'd be concerned about De Hernandez. But give me your prediction.

51:38You know what? Not always. You're really great on first game. So I don't think France will be just ready yet. And I don't think they will hit the ground running straight away tomorrow. But I still get them to win narrow 1-0 win. Early peak of two teams that could be going very, very far in this competition. So let's take a look, shall we? The bookies have got it as France's favourites. I like a draw, by the way, if anyone cares about that. You mean generally or for this game? You mean generally? Generally, I always just go for a draw. Yes. Well, certainly this tournament, I'd be rich. I'd be loving it.

52:14It'd be fantastic. What do you fancy for this? I quite fancy drawing this game as well. Yeah, because I said it. Yeah, okay, I'm not gonna say draw it in the nose. Yeah, I'm gonna go for a draw. I think possibly like a 2-2. Oh, a high one. Yeah, yeah, I think a high one. I think these are two very very good sides and it's gonna be like an emotional element I'm sure when they're playing like Senegal. So yeah, I'm gonna go for I'm gonna go for 2-2 against for you know to stick up for the West African side that maybe won AFCON Maybe they didn't but I think it's still a very good side. All right, man.

52:48I'm looking forward to one of the favourites actually looking like one of the favourites. And so maybe this is wishful thinking, maybe this is hopeful, but perhaps France looking like the France that we think they can be in this tournament, I think France wins the match. A lot more on France's chances in the World Cup. And indeed, to catch up with Gavin Jules and their trips around the States so far, the latest edition dropped today. That is available to listen to over on our website. That is it. That brings us to the end of today's show. Be sure to stay tuned, though, as Nadam is so delighted to be staying late to answer some of your questions.

53:25Ali with us as well. I thought Craig's not here today. It'd be a nice, happy show. Nadam, though, has brought some energy that isn't particularly positive. Even shouted at my salad. Extra time is next.

53:44Welcome in to the latest edition of Extra Time. Ali is here alongside him, Nadim as well. Hello, Dan. We haven't seen the best side of Nadim today. No, no, no. After a dark. Maybe this is my best side. Maybe this is my best side. I had a salad for dinner and he went, grow up. I don't know why it deserved that sort of... I just thought you were enjoying your life, but clearly you just wanted some nutrition. Well, I think that's all right. No, you don't make friends with salad. We know that. No, you do use fun. It's fine. You do use fun. Why have you been so angry? Because you were not angry last night.

54:12To be honest. Is it Kevin? Do you miss him? Yes, do you miss Kevin? Do you hate Dan? Kevin, please come back. Please come back. I've locked him in a cupboard. If you two ever become managers, this is the sort of questions we need. What clothing style would you adopt? Classy suits like Ancelotti, team gear like Klopp, or maybe even what Rudy Garcia wore tonight. What was Rudy Garcia? It was like he'd been called up late to be the manager. Yes, and then decided, it's a little sunny so I'm going to wear a hat. He's got the hat. He hasn't got the jacket on. He just had the tie and the shirt. It looked a bit geography teacher on a school trip.

54:49Yeah, community college. Right. Geography teacher. Yeah, yeah. What would you go for, Ali? Oh, I'll suit up. Yeah? Yeah. Look nice. Nice. You know, clean it up a bit. Mmm, I don't think I'd suit up. I think I'd just stick with… Would you go tracksuit? No, I don't think I'd do that either. Would you kind of this gear? Well, I wouldn't be wearing this. I think I'd go for like… What are you wearing then? I think, I think, I'm trying to get to it. He's got Mario Suarez. Yeah. I think I'd be, I think I'd be. For not fully clothing. I think, yeah, well, yeah. Business up top. But I'd go for like a smart casual, I think.

55:24What was this then? No, because I wouldn't wear a blazer. I just wouldn't do that. So what would you wear on top? I'd wear like a cardigan type stuff, you know what I mean? And then wear like the pundit threes, you know, the shoes with little white bottoms, all that stuff. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'd be. So a bit peppy? Peppy. Pep Guardiola-y. I don't really study what he wears. Yes you do, you've got all those posters in your bedroom of him. To be fair, he's, towards the end of last season when he's got his puma 10 year anniversary stuff, he's got a big P on the top. I mean, if he's got his own clothing line, he's going to wear it, isn't he?

55:52Right. So I'm just saying, no. They're tempting which he's worn some awful looking jaggers. Listen, I'm sure he's been paid very well to do it. I'm sure. Your initials on your training top must have been no. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And he used to be on my boots as well every time I try and shoot. You see a big N.O. on the bottom, I'm like, okay, pass it instead then. Ali, since Norway is basing itself in Greensboro and you became a college legend there, what recommendations would you give the team? Any places they absolutely need to check out? Well, I mean, if they win the match, whatever match, and they're successful, you can go to the corner bar.

56:25It's actually called the corner bar. Where is it? In the corner. Yes! Yes! Look how much he's annoyed by that! Give this man some sleep. What is wrong? What is wrong? No, please tell your story. You want to go to the corner bar? Please tell your story. You can have ice cream and say yum yum. Oh yeah? Yes. Where did you take Melissa on like a first date when you first got together? That must have been Greensboro. We actually watched the movie Varsity Blues on our first date. Okay. I haven't seen that. Have you seen that? Yeah, you've seen this. You've seen this. Pete Van Leer at home is getting angry.

57:03I don't know what he's like with the movies. It's a high school football movie. Okay. You would have seen this. Okay, is there a down and out? Are they the underdogs but then they come good at the end? Yeah, well... Oh, no way. Johnny Moxon is a quarterback. Oh. Yeah. James Van Der Beek, by the way. Oh, wow, the Dawson's Creek guy. Yes, he just passed away. Wow, there you are. Come on. Well, there we go. Yeah, and Paul Walker was also in that movie, who also passed away. Fast and Furious. Yes. Goodness. And we had Classy. I kept it classy. I had a lot of money back then. Even more now. Chinese.

57:40We had Chinese and then went to the movie. Oh, nice. Did you give it the old road? Love you, babe. Oh, nice. We're together as long as we have. Oh, beautiful. And they said it wasn't going to work. It did. Love you, man. It's mainly her family. Love you. What were your impressions of Sweden's win last night? 5-1, 3-1 when I went to bed. I was quite surprised. There's a lot of talk about Tunisia's manager and his future at the moment. Colin Oudo was talking about it. Did you see all five? No. Ali? Your commitment to the late-night World Cup is questionable at best. That's fair. That's completely fair.

58:21Exactly. It's your question. Yes, actually I think that's my takeaway. Isak was explosive. There was a lot of life in those legs. Running around people, using his speed, a little dip of his shoulder, getting inside of people, scoring a goal. And Jokeres, in the combo package with Isak, looking very good, very effective, dangerous, a handful against defenders. Now it is Tunisian, some people may dismiss that, but I would just say that that combo package of Isak and Jokeres looked particularly dangerous, effective and efficient last night. Yeah, I enjoyed the Ayari goals though, especially the second one.

58:58Great strike and it was weird to see somebody playing for a national team score and not really celebrate, but I suppose with, I imagine he's got links to Tunes or something like that, so, you know, fair enough, but great goals for him. Ali, good research. What was that post? It was like, good research. I suppose he's got something to do with something. It's alright. Ali, Aberin to AC Milan. You can keep this short. Makes sense given tactics of Serie A. More defensive? Succeed or no? The bigger question is the quality of the presentation that Ruben Amorin gives to whoever is his decision maker at a club has to be amazing.

59:41This PowerPoint presentation has to be just state of the art, groundbreaking sort of stuff. Because how do you believe this guy? If you've done your homework and your Milan, and you see what they were, what Manchester United were under Ruben Amorim, and then how it dramatically changed when Michael Carrick came in, and you go, wait a minute, it's essentially the same group of players, and the only thing that changed is the manager, and we had a team that had no clue as to what they were doing on the field, and now a team that finished as high as they did, and you go, something doesn't add up. And it cannot be that the next decision is to say, that's our guy.

1:00:20You see that and you go, that's our guy. We believe in that. I don't know how you believe in Ruben Amorim right now. I think his brand would have taken a major blow after what was failure at Manchester United. But apparently not. Maybe this says a lot more about Milan and who actually were their candidates and who was willing to take on that job. Maybe it says a lot more about their current situation than it does about Ruben Amorim. I don't think he succeeds at Milan. But what is the measure of success at Milan, though? Well, if you're talking to a Milan fan, then they would suggest, at the very least, you have to go from where you are right now to finishing top four and eventually competing for the title.

1:01:00They're nowhere near that. I think they'll finish top four if they get Amorim. I think they will. Because of Amorim or because of players that come with Amorim? I think it's more so the players that come with Amorim, but I still think it's going to happen. So is it success with the players? Final question. We had Colin on who kind of dismissed some of the rumours that Tunisia did fire their manager. There's a lot of speculation about his future and the Tunisia Association's future as well. The question asks, what do you think of them firing? How would you feel about a mid-tournament change? How would you feel?

1:01:30How would I feel in what sense? So if you're a player in that squad, you've just lost 5-1 and they've sacked your manager. Are you thinking, oh no, things are getting worse or, oh, this is a lovely surprise. We can go and play better now. I would speculate that if a manager is on the verge of being sacked this early into a tournament, there might have been some issues beforehand. Sure. So I think for some of the players, and I can't say it's going to be all of them, because maybe some like him, maybe some don't, I think I do believe, and it's funny you've mentioned Amarin, addition through subtraction.

1:01:58And I think if the manager is the issue and he goes, then maybe that'll be a boost for those players. It's not saying that there'll be any more successful relative to this tournament, but if the environment improves, then people can enjoy it more and they can make the most of what is a great opportunity. So you thought that Amorim leaving Manchester United was addition by subtraction? I do, very much so, yeah. OK, and now you think that he hails Milan? I think his PowerPoint features all his years of Sporting Lisbon. And as a consequence, you saw this is what I can do with like a Victor Jokeres, or this or that, and this is what I'll do in Serie A.

1:02:32Have I got both of you gentlemen tomorrow? Oh, well, you'll have me in a very lively spirit, very happy feeling the vibes of the World Cup. Nice. As what you get in Atom After Dark, that's completely different. Whilst the sun is up, everything will be all right that time. Oh, Lord, have mercy. That is it. What have we got tomorrow? Good game. Argentina in action. France, Senegal as well. Norway kick off for their campaign. We'll be covering them all on the next edition of the show.

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