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27:08Because PSG, with these players, dominate most of the games. But how are they going to dominate this Spanish midfield? Can they dominate the Spanish midfield? Yeah, but how are the Spanish midfield going to... Well, I mean, you mal against Nuno Mendes. Yeah. He got skinned a couple of times today. Yeah. Mendes done that left-hand side. His left-hand side. Kieran, there's nothing about this game that doesn't say it's going to be... It's got to be entertaining, isn't it? You can't imagine this just to be a standoff. No, no. This game is going to come down to, again, as Craig said, the battle of possession in the middle of the park.

27:38Neither team don't like to not have the ball, which you don't really see that too much these days. A lot of teams are comfortable to try to come with a low block, but I don't think that either team are suited for that. So both teams like to try to recover the ball quickly. I don't think that this game is going to be decided so much on the wide areas. I think it's going to come down to who dominates the middle of the park. I think the role of Bruno Fernandes in that game is going to be crucial for Portugal. He was taken off early in the second half. I think we were quite surprised by that today.

28:13We have to be fair, he didn't exist today. We didn't see the Bruno Fernandes we were expecting. And this game, like Dani Olmo for Spain, Bruno Fernandes will have a crucial role on that game. If he can find himself free between the two lines and serve the people at front, that can be a different game. Because Vittinian never is going to do the defensive part of it and they're going to bring balls to Bruno Fernandes. Now, what Bruno Fernandes is going to do with the balls, that's a different... Roberto Martinez selects players, horses for courses, I think. Rafael Leal and Pedro Neto play wide today because Croatia don't have a lot of pace in their team, particularly their defence.

28:57We saw Leal in the first half go past the right, I think it was Stanisic, who went past the full-back for fun with his pace. Neto went past Perisic for fun with his pace. So that was the horses for courses. What does Martinez do with Spain? If it's Poro and Kukurela, does he try and push them back? with those two players? Or is he worried about, as Frank alluded earlier, is he worried about those two attacking full-backs going that way so he puts a couple of more defensive wide players in to try and go with the runners? That's the kind of juxtaposition that Martinez is in. And this could be a big feather in his cap, a huge feather in his cap who say he hasn't got what it takes to make the big decisions if they can beat this Spanish side.

29:40Not necessarily they're going to go in and win the World Cup, because if they can knock out a team that's probably seeded above them and go to toe for them, it's going to be a big feather and Roberto Martinez is killed. A team that hasn't conceded a goal yet, by the way. That's the truth. Why are you looking at it? I was thinking of it. Spain haven't conceded a goal yet. Why are you saying they've been so bad? What do you mean? They drew nil-nil. Well, you've just said they haven't conceded a goal. What side of the fence are you on? My fence is, as one of the favourites, oh, I'd like you maybe to pass the ball forward and have a shot.

30:14You know what? That's a very simplistic look. Well, I'm a very simplistic man. I really think that, seriously, I think it's going to be a chase game. Which of the two coaches will decide to take care of the opponent? I think Spain will play their game. Yes. I think Portugal and Roberto Martinez will adapt to the Spanish team. Do you think he will start overthinking? That's a good point. You're right. Spain will do nothing different. Yeah. will Roberto Martinez be up at his tactics board for four straight nights? You know what he's like? He's got the little markers. He's... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

30:53I'll put his... Nah, nah, nah, nah. That's like us before the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When would Greg Burnley? Put him on the roof. Put the Scotsman on the roof where it's 110 degrees. Yeah, I know. Was that bit all right? What bit? That bit. Yeah, I was... I did my hit like this. I'm going to get your back in my head. Okay, let's get some predictions.

31:21You won the goals and everything, or you just won the winner? Yes, I won the goals and everything. Both teams to score. Right. I'm going to go Spain win. I'm going to go Spain win from today's performance. That's where you gave me a score. They're gelling now. We're looking at a little score. Today's performance really reminded me of an old classic Spanish-style performance. Okay. it's going to be Spain we won the number what's the score? 2-1 in 90 minutes you won the minutes of the goal 21st and 25th thanks for toughen off thanks for toughen off Mr Leboeuf I go for 3-2 for Spain I always put Spain second favourite after France and Portugal third, so I have to follow.

32:12How will the goals be scored in what order? Oh, come on. Craig, he's going to win. What are you going for? Extra time. Oh, do you think so? Yeah. 2-2, extra time, spend to win 4-2 and extra time. Wow. Classic game. Wow, brilliant. Let's hope so. That's very accurate. Thank you very much, Craig. You're welcome. You can learn. And you didn't give asking for the minutes of the goals and everything? No, no. He gave a very accurate account. I gave him a very accurate and he didn't give extra time because I don't think you're going to go to extra time. Extra time is available over on our YouTube channel.

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35:12You may have heard that despite the fact that the U.S. advanced, the big talking point was the fact that Balogun was given that red card and will miss the round of 16 clash against Belgium. I know, boys, you've talked about this on so many different mediums, but I want to talk to you about it here and now. Craig, what did you think of the red card decision? Extremely unfortunate for the player. I think it's the wrong decision. I think when you show the stills and the slow-mos, it does look worse, but then every challenge does. And there's no malice, there's no intent. I don't even think he's looking at the player.

35:47I think he's just trying to get his balance. and it's a consequence of that that he catches the ankle of the Bosnian defender and it looks worse than it is. For me, it isn't... I don't think it's a red card. I think the player is very unfortunate and I think what we have in this scenario is one rule for some and another... This is factual. One rule for some and another rule for others. The big stars, the Messis, the Ronaldo's, all these players, they get preferential treatment but a youngster making his way, having a great tournament, a very innocuous challenge, a red card for that? No, not having it.

36:25Frank, do you agree? Not really. I mean, the consequences... You think it's a red card? I don't have any issues with the red card in a way that the consequences could have been dramatic for the Bosnian player and he could have broken his ankle. Therefore, you have the right to think that... That's just a consequence. Yeah, I agree with you. That's where I have a hard time to stand for any of the sides where nothing happened. But imagine you are the player. You know you have nothing, but you pretend you have something. You know that if you get out, the player is going to get red carded. And you pretend to be injured.

37:04You are substituted to make sure that Balogun is red carded. That's what can happen if the referee doesn't say it's a red card. That's my problem. But yeah, overall, yes, he didn't do on purpose. Yeah, they tried to avoid him. Yes, the players were injured. So I can agree with what you said. And I have no issue. And I would have had no issues if the referee would have said it's only a yellow card. But for the sake of the game, to push the players to pay attention to where they go and how they go and the way they go, a red card is not for me something irrelevant. He's relevant. Well, I would say in the other way.

37:46It's not as extraordinary as some people think. Yes, exactly. Kieran, you get the deciding vote. Yeah, I think whatever way you paint it up, it's reckless. It's reckless and it's unfortunate because he doesn't mean it. It's not intentional, as the boys say. But you've got to know he's already leaning against him. He knows that his legs are somewhere there and he does try to control the ball, but his studs are up and he ends up going down the back of his leg. I think Craig's right. Messi goes down the back of a player's leg intentionally. Oh yeah, but he should have get on a red card. No, no, it's not different.

38:20It's not different. Messi goes down the back of an Algerian's leg and there's the picture. Match day one. Straight red. Not even a debate or it shouldn't be. Much more malicious. Much more malicious than anything Balogun did and he didn't even get a yellow card. That's the problem. But you're saying he should have known the player was there, the Bosnian defender. Of course he knows he was there. Yeah, he's hanging in there against him, so you can't put his studs up. So you can't put his studs up again. Hold on, he didn't put his studs up, he was planting his foot, he was planting his right foot for balance.

38:51Yeah, but he put his studs up in order to do that, which you can't do. What do you mean put his studs up? He was putting his studs down for balance. He should try. He can't hop about in one leg. His studs are halfway down his legs, if you get that still up again. Wait, one, that's messy. Halfway down his legs. No, I'm talking about Balogun. If we pull up that image there, you can see his studs. His studs are halfway down his shin, Craig. No, his studs is on his ankle because he's trying to plant his foot for a natural movement. I think the fair point from Craig is the consistency that he's talking about, about decisions.

39:25Right. Yes, when you see Messi and he's doing, whoever he is should have been a red card. And therefore, the consistency of giving a red card to Balogun would have been fair. So that's what I mean. But I'm more with Kieran. I'm not even so sure it should be a red. I think for the magnitude of the game and the moment, I think a yellow would have been more of a logical thing for the referee to do. He knows he hasn't done it intentionally. The same with Messi. you know the type of player he is he's not a malicious player and the other player is not injured that's the main point for me Messi's was a malicious challenge I'm not having it any other way he knew what he was doing are we going to send a player off for every team in this tournament now going forward if they unintentionally by a natural movement step on somebody's ankle it should be like that if that's the criteria it shouldn't it has to be Do you want to see a straight red every time that happens?

40:30Every time somebody plants a foot and a natural movement of getting you balanced you can't hop about on one leg you have to have balance with two feet on the ground and at some point one foot has to be off the ground for the movement are we saying every time somebody unintentionally steps on an ankle if there's a little ankle roll that's a red card? Are you saying that if the player that has been tackled is injured what do you do? Well, it doesn't matter. The injury... You give a red card. No, you don't give a red card. You can't send somebody off because of the consequences of an injury. You can't.

41:07No, no, you can't. We've had this argument before. We've had this argument before. You can't do that. You're going to be safe because you didn't pay attention. You didn't do it on purpose. But you injured somebody. And for me, if you injured somebody, whether you did it on purpose or not, You should be banned for the time the guy is injured. Frank, this is another conversation. This is the World Cup. At least you should get it. Yeah, but whatever it is, a red card should be done, should be given because you injured a player. Frank, I could toe poke a ball away at full speed from a player and barely touch his ankle and he could roll that ankle and be out of the rest of the match.

41:50What means barely? It might not even be a free kick. The game is played at such pace these days that these things happen. And I think what we saw there is a classic example of a referee not understanding what the involvement is of the movement of a player. But what he did understand was stills and slow-mos. And when he saw them, he said, that ankle's rolled. That must have been a bad challenge. I'm sending him off. And that's not the case. How big a deal is it going forward now to not have Balogun in the Belgium game? It's a huge blow. A huge blow. He's been one of the stars of the team. Probably you would say, you know, we've got Pepe that can come in, but arguably he is the difference maker.

42:31And especially he was really starting to gel with Christian Pulisic as well. And they've just got momentum. And you have to say that that's been taken away from them a little bit now. Yeah, absolutely. You've got Haji right, you've got Pepe. Not the same quality of player that we've seen from Balogun, who's impressed us all so far in this tournament. Yeah, but against a Belgium defense who's pretty heavy, I would say, that could be another tool. And if you play Pepe as a striker and police each around him with the pace that they keep, the enthusiasm that the U.S. main national team showed, you can make the difference.

43:05And I'm pretty optimistic about that. Balogun will be missed for one game, hopefully. But otherwise, you know, I'm not really concerned about the fact that Pepe can do the job and the guys, if they keep the pace, they're going to score goals. Well, he hasn't played well thus far, given the opportunity, Pepe. No, exactly against Turkey. And when he came on. When he played against Australia, he was not good. Although he played as a partnership with Balogun because he changed the shape because Pulisic was out. I don't think he'll do that at this time. He'll play one lone striker. Nobody can do what Balogun does for this US side.

43:42Nobody can stretch the defence like him. Nobody can score goals like him, which is proven. and nobody has the confidence. And that's the other side of it, is when you're in a tournament like this and it's such a global event, the biggest for our sport, and you're on a run like Balogun was on, you're 10 feet tall. You're 10 feet tall. You think everything that you're going to do, everything you touch is going to come off. And that's kind of how it felt for him. Right. And they don't have another player, A, with his talent, or B, who's in that mindset. So that's going to be a big call for Pochettino.

44:14That's why he gets the big box. I still think they're good enough I was going to go in predictions next Yours is for the US to go through? Well Belgium You know this Belgium beat the US in March I think 5-2 Yeah But there was at least five players Maybe six That have played in these US games That you would consider The first 11 now That didn't play You feel that the pendulum Has swung a little bit The US have played well Belgium have scrambled They're still reliant on Lukaku And De Bruyne to a certain extent Who were around 12 years ago the US are fresh but Belgium have got a bit more experience you can hear the cogs going I think the US can grind out this Belgium side with their pace and their energy I think they can do it and then it will stop at the quarters that's where I'm kind of aware but I think they can squeeze by this I don't think they would have beat Senegal if it had been Senegal it was going through in the bracket had Senegal gone through and Senegal beating the US but now that Senegal were knocked out and they shot themselves in the foot I think the US can beat Belgium you have to for the fans I'm talking to the fans right now you know start being mad start being crazy guys you know we saw the Mexican playing against the Ecuador get crazy you have to get mad you play at home your national team is going to play with the fans aren't playing they are Yeah, but they're going to play the 12 men.

45:46And that's what we need. That's what the U.S. men's national team need. We saw that in Mexico with Ecuador. That was intense. That was crazy. If the fans of the U.S. men's national team can do the same, you can beat Belgium. So your prediction? Belgium. 2-0. 2-0 for the United States. For the fans. For the fans. For the fans. Wow. It's going to come down to momentum. them against experience. For me, I think with Balogun missing now, it may just... I don't want to say it because I'm really enjoying watching the US. You're going to say it. But I think this one might be a step two. Country round is...

46:26Unless they blow them out in the first 20 minutes. I think if they score in the first 20 minutes, there's a chance. Belgium came back last time. Yeah. From 2-0. They'll have too much energy, I think. Okay. Well, we will We'll find out, of course. We'll continue our campaign. Hold on, you've gone for Belgium or the US? I've gone for Belgium. He just said the US have got too much energy for Belgium. Yeah, if they score, if they score early. I'm confused. He's confusing me. He's already confused. For more confusion, ESPN FC on your screens tomorrow. Be sure to join the gang at 12pm Eastern on ESPN2.

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48:25A comfortable win for Switzerland in the late game sets them up with a clash against Colombia or Ghana in the next round. Switzerland got good, didn't they? It wasn't really a contest, did they? Yeah, not really. I don't think a big surprise. They're a side that always generally gets to the knockout stages. And with their organisation and, of course, the early goal from Embola, then they set themselves off on a good footing and were never really in trouble. So, yeah, I'm not a surprise Switzerland have gone through. And no extra time or penalties, Frank. Which is very good for us. But, yeah, it's a fair result, a deserving one, and nothing to really explain.

49:04I think they did what they had to do. They were very serious, very well organized. And the Algerian didn't show enough. Yeah, they got it done early, really. There wasn't too much drama. Exactly. It was a really dynamic performance from Switzerland. I loved the front three. I thought they were excellent. Some really good wing play. Energetic strikers getting across the front of goal. And they caused Algeria problems all game, really. It was a dominant performance. I tip them to get to the quarters at least Right Yeah, I think they're looking They're looking like they're here for business They're not just looking like they want to take part They're a strong side The best thing about this game was the pizzas Oh yeah, what did you have?

49:49Oh, a bit of everything Did you? In the green room Oh, it was magnificent Frank said, I do not eat these pizzas I have to look after my body No, of course not I'm on diet right now I try to stay fit. Right. Yeah, because I don't want to be caught upside at some point. Always ready. Right, beautiful. Salad chicken. There's been so much content here on ESPN FC throughout the World Cup. A number of guests. Don Hutchinson's been the butt of a lot of jokes, really. Deservedly so, considering some of the daft things that he says. However, he got some love today from a former Liverpool colleague. Even the most neutral person loves watching Alise Mbappe, Dembele, Ambar Kola or Dwey.

50:34They're fantastic to see. They play football the right way. How much would you have loved to play with those players, Maka? No, no, no. I'd love to play with Hutch, that's about it. I'm not going to buy Mbappe and stuff.

50:50Hutch looks like he's aged, by the way, being here for quite a long time. What was happening? Is it the lightning in the studio? I don't know. Man, they didn't mention you guys, though. Mac has patience with you. He's coming out in a few days, isn't he? Yeah, I know, and he'll be going back straight away. Kerry's looking forward to listening to Frank. Yeah, yeah. Off camera. Yeah, that is. Well, he loves me. We had lunch and dinner last year. Well, it's not happening. He loves me because I paid. Kerry, are you with us tomorrow? Because then you go to the France game, huh, with your fiancé? Yep, France, and then Mexico.

51:27Future wife. And then Mexico. Lovely. We'll be back here tomorrow. It's going to be hot, Frank, again. Yeah, we have to find something indoor. Craig on the rooftop again. I'm not going on the roof tomorrow for sports. No, I think, look at that for a view. The World Cup then continues as there's our coverage tomorrow. Argentina in action against Cape Verde. Where's your money for that? Stay with us.

51:54Very late night extra time. Craig, Frank and Kiran. What adventures we've had over the last 24 hours. Craig had his first drop, went off and drank on his own because he's had enough of us. Oh, yeah. I love New York. Why do you play the stranger? Do you not like us anymore? Sorry, somebody talking. Kiran took us to an awful bar to watch the game. Oh, my God. And you lost it. Five minutes. Get me out of here, please. Yeah, I did. I had a bit of a strop. It was hot. It was too busy. Too many people. You know, for old people, we found a very nice restaurant. What kind of bar was it? It was just a nice bar.

52:30It was a nice bar, but it's too hot. It's outdoor. Then we had a tete-a-tete. And we had a tete-a-tete. Divas, dealing with a bunch of divas. And a nice Italian restaurant. Yeah, it was nice. And then we had a great seat for the Spain game today. That was fantastic. That's enough of it, you. Very cool. Right, OK. 185 million guaranteed on two players who didn't make it to the World Cup. Is it a mistake from Spurs? These are Mateus Fernandes and Tonali who look like they're going to know Flanders. Suddenly we go back to the Premier League. Yeah, I know, it's weird. It doesn't feel right, does it?

52:59Yeah, yeah, what's wrong with that people asking the question? You know, follow them in World Cup and leave us alive. Yeah, it does. It's not Sandra Tonali's fault that Italy had garbage at the moment. Right, yes. Mateus Fernandes, who's playing a bad West Ham side. Good players. That's good business for Tottenham. Yes. They've got a good manager. They're spending money, otherwise he'll throw a strop and leave. So they have to back him. So yeah, it's been good early business, actually. Isn't it easier when you're a coach to know that your chairman or the board is going to spend like millions of dollars or pounds to make sure you have good teams or good players?

53:36Yeah, I think that's generally easier. Frank, thanks for that point. And Kieran. No, but what the work to do after? Yeah, I've got good players. It's easy. Well, yeah, I don't know. How much have Chelsea spent? Why do you want to compare with Chelsea? Because you're the one who's bringing it up and saying, oh, it's easy if you spend the money. You spend over a billion and you're rubbish. Yeah, on young players. Oh, wow, that's a really good point. I was very critical about that. Don't put me in that door. Says Frank De Boeuf when he signed for Chelsea for Marseille and then we signed Gianfranco Zola.

54:04I didn't see him complaining about it then. Nobody knew who I was. They knew. Just signed Gianfranco Zola. Yeah, they signed Gianfranco Zola. What miracle needs to happen, Frank, to stop France winning the World Cup? I think we can agree that if France keep on playing the way they play, with the same spirit on top of the talent that they have, nobody can catch them. For me, that's simple as that. But the best enemies of France is themselves. And I'm pretty sure it can happen. The first 20 minutes of the last game against Sweden, I was worried. I said, well, they're not into it. Right. And it was like the warm-up for them for like 20 minutes.

54:46But they went better. They started to play the way we wanted them to play. But it can happen. And against Paraguay, if they're not 100 % sure or they're not 100%, they can be surprised because Paraguay, like in 98, they're going to park the bus and they're going to wait for the penalty shootout. And you can be kicked out. You're going to the Paraguay game. I am. Stupidly. Why are you going there? My other half is from Paraguay Oh You're such a gentleman Frank, you're going to get me some tickets Because I don't have tickets yet No, I give tickets to Dan Thomas To see Brazil with his wife But that's it Because he's But he likes him He's English It's France Frank, you're a French fan I don't want you to win Are you proposing at this game?

55:31Oh Wouldn't that be lovely How romantic On TV or the camera Maybe you'd like to do it now Which cameras Why are you putting me on this? What's the point? The same way you get married, you're old enough. You're not spring chicken. Frank, do you think Morocco is a real contender for this World Cup? Don't you think that teams like France, Spain or Argentina would not like to play against Morocco? They're very good. Do you think so? They're very good. And you know, the best example is that young 18-year-old player, Bouhadi, in the middle of the park. He played for all the national youth for France, but now plays for Morocco and the guy is exceptional and you have Hakimi of course but you have so many other players that are very strong and they give 100 % so if you don't take them seriously some teams can be surprised France will play them in quarterfinal if it goes well next time because they're playing Canada and France are playing Paraguay and therefore he's going to and proposing because of our past and our history he's taking a ring with him isn't that beautiful suddenly they don't care about my answer.

56:38I don't think that's ever changed. Yeah, it's true. No, but I think really, especially against France, France-Moroco is going to be very special. So it's why it's going to be tricky for France. So let's see. To all, has anyone seen proof the ball touch technology work at detecting hair? If so, surely any insect would also cause a spike. How can we be certain a creation player actually touched it? I don't want to answer that question. Hair? And then shake. Yeah. Now you can see the spike. It doesn't work for me. That's true. It would touch your head, would it? I don't have hair. Yeah, but your head's big enough.

57:16There's nothing in your head, but you've got a head. You've got a head, it's empty. That's why we call you Empty Head. It's empty.

57:26It's very late. This is deteriorating. It did click. The thing clicked, whatever you call it. It clicks, it spikes. Does Ronaldo's disallowed goal penalty and man-of-the-match performance at the age of 41 against contenders Croatia cement his GOAT status, Kieran? Honestly, I was a bit sceptical as a Messi fan, but Ronaldo's longevity is changing my perspective. That's a massive troll, surely. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't man-of-the-match, was he? No, I don't think he was man-of-the-match. Where do you stand on this Messi-Ronaldo debate at whatever time in the morning this is? I don't like to compare.

58:02Well, tough. That's what you get paid to do. I don't think we should. I don't think it's comparable. Of course it's comparable. Who would you choose? Who would you prefer to play for Arsenal? Would you want Ronaldo or Messi? Messi. Oh, there we go. So it's easy to do. Who would you want to read your votes? Messi or Ronaldo? Who would you like to give you away? Would you like to marry Ronaldo or Messi? Ronaldo will take you to the end of the aisle and go, Sue, and that'll be it. To be done. What a lovely moment. That'll be a sight. Congratulations. Yeah. It's beautiful. Well, it really is. You missed your congratulations.

58:37Some mates here. Commeneration. Now's the time to book Madison Square Gardens. She just told me she wouldn't be available on Saturday. She doesn't want to come. No, no, no. All right. That's what he wants. That's it. We are done. We will be back tomorrow to look back at some more soccer that apparently is taking place in the World Cup. Please be sure to join us.

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