Eze Sinks Spurs Again

26:49That's unbearable for me in the way that, as you said, they should be prepared for that. You play against a team fighting for the relegation. You try to get into the Champions League. So you should be, at least if you're not good, you should be dominating, which wasn't the case. But a good thing, you know, we've been so critical towards Van Dijk and Konaté, and they've been absolutely very good, especially the first half, and Stevie eluded it, it's because of them that it was only 0-0 at halftime. But sometimes life is not fair. When you see how horrendous some players have been, and I'm highly ranked, that player I'm going to mention, McAllister, I think he's a world-class player and he's a World Cup champion, and he showed since he's been at Liverpool and he's a very influential player.

27:38But today was the worst game ever that I've seen McAllister on. But he scored the goal and made the three points in the pocket to Liverpool. That's for me saying why football is not fair because Liverpool never should have gotten the three points. A draw, let's say, would have been fair, especially the second round where they readjust some stuff. but really, that was so poor. That was so poor. But, you know, Chelsea play the same way. Well, being poor, we're going to see Manchester United tomorrow. You know, except, let's say, Manchester City and Arsenal, everybody and a little bit of Aston Villa, a little bit less, those teams are not good enough to compete for anything, I would say.

28:24There's no question. Arnest Slott is a huge part of the problem in this first half. for him to send his team out in the mental state they were in. I mean, I was trying to figure it out watching it. Do they feel sorry for themselves? Are they that low in confidence? Does Florian Furt's pulling out make any difference? No, absolutely not. No, no. Zero. Not at all. This to me, yes, the players have to prepare for the kick-off, for the whistle to go and be ready. But the manager has... The manager and his coaching staff have to smell in the dressing room that something's not quite right. You're not telling me that they were all in the dressing room and there was a lot of energy and everybody's discussing where they should be and what they should be doing and then you walk out and do that.

29:11That's generally a quiet dressing room that starts a game like that. And that's down to the manager to smell it, see it and do something about it. Because clearly, they weren't ready for the game. I mean, the Florian, I'd like to know. Stevie, go on Frank. Stevie, I just want to say something, you know, because you're talking about Arnold Slott. How come, and it was a very good decision, he kept McAllister on the field? He was losing so many balls. He wasn't into the game. And he kept him. And looking for him, McAllister scored the goal. But you would have been the coach. Would you have kept McAllister?

29:49I don't, Frank, I don't think he had any choices. He already switched Curtis Jones from the middle of the park to right back and move Solvay's life from right back into the middle and then you look at the bench, I don't think he had another choice, he didn't have another midfielder on the bench so yeah, I agree McAllister in particular wasn't at his best even though he got the winner but I don't think Slott had any choices Again, the first thing I don't know, I'd like to know because maybe it all goes into the same pot here away from home, not in Forest fighting I might be I mean if I'm wrong I'm wrong but he was feeling his back a little bit wasn't quite 100 % what do you mean not quite 100 % 80 % 90 % you're right to play I mean most most players I believe he went out for the warm up right I believe I think so yeah that's where he got hit yeah I mean I don't know is there a mentality at Liverpool like that as Stevie said feeling sorry for themselves maybe low in confidence feeling a little niggle don't want to play there's going to be a better battle today at Forest.

30:54Is there a bit of that creeping in? I don't know. Maybe I'm completely wrong about that. But I know from our perspective, if we went out to the warm-up, it'd have to be something that completely goes. You'd have to have done your hamstring in the warm-up. Your calf keeps going. You can barely get off the field. If it's a little knock, you're playing. Unless you're thinking long-term, well, you say to the manager, I don't want to miss those Champions League games coming up eventually. They've got to buy it at the moment. Maybe there's a little bit of that. So they're saying basically he was nowhere near 100%, is what Slott's saying, after the game.

31:29So maybe he was risking him and then he just went, no. He was nowhere near 100%. Yeah. Anyway, they won the game. They did win the game. I would know. Nobody said they won any 100%. I would, sorry. When you see things like that, unless it's something absolutely concrete that you can't play, it was a bit like the Real Asensio thing. In a Real Madrid game a couple of weeks ago, he said he wasn't fit to play and they had no bodies and he was asked to play. He said, well, if you ask me to play, I can play. So it's like, you know, are these players, some of them willing to put themselves in a difficult position for a manager on their team that are in a difficult position?

32:02That would be one of the questions, I think, going forward. A lot more. Craig, have you ever played? Have you ever played? Sorry, Craig, have you ever played at 100 %? No. In your game? Well, that's what it is. You know, everybody... I played a game at Celtic away from home and I didn't even go out for the warm-up because my back was sore. Poor Florian, he's got back aches. Leave me alone. Oh, he's got a little back ache. Where did that come from? Soft. Gabbag. Oh, yeah, here we go. Don't start. I'm not going to see it. Gabbagals, of course, were both off on Thursday. They returned today, though.

32:38Hopefully, they'll be OK in the warm-up. You can check out their show. Bad back. I can't do the podcast. I've got a bad back.

32:48Barcelona back to winning ways as they would comfortably beat Levante by three goals to nil. Jalcan solo back for Barca and providing a couple of assists. Let's get some reaction now from Hansi Flick, but first Jules Koundé. It was very necessary a reaction after back-to-back defeat. You managed to get this early goal, not conceding and going back to the top. Yeah, it was very important, especially after two losses and more than the result also. What we put in the tour of the game, I think it was not enough. So today we wanted to take advantage also of the loss than our rivals. So I think we did a great job.

33:31We put a lot of intensity and we scored early, which is always great, especially against this team who play kind of a middle-low block and they're waiting for counter-attacks. So, yeah, I think we played a solid game. So, you talk a lot in the locker room as Hansi Flick has admitted. Do you think you have detected what were the mistakes you were doing and you have the diagnosis and you can... this can be a turning point from now on? Yeah, I think it can be. It's up to us to now, after talking and communicating, because at the end of the day, it happened in a season where we're not at the level that we want and we don't have the results as we wanted, especially the past two games.

34:17So, yeah, I think the coach and the player, we identified what we could improve and now we're working on it. And hopefully today I think it's just a first step in the right direction. How important has been the score so soon to be very calm in the game? Very important. You could see that today also that we had not the confidence in the beginning. But I think with the minutes we get better in the game and yeah, important was today the win. How important is it for Barcelona to recover in the first place so soon? No, it's important. We get this chance about the result yesterday and so we get it, we take it and this is a good thing.

35:09Had the chance Took the chance Back to the top of the table Levante of course Are not going to be Some of the opponents That Barcelona are going to face Between now and the end of the season But after two defeats They get the job done Did the bookies really make Real Madrid favourites? Yeah Real Madrid favourites This time last week Before yesterday's debacle Before yesterday's defeat Yes Well I know Barca have had a stumble And two losses But There is always something there To keep you Hopeful if you're a Barca fan Say well we'll get better at that and we will score goals. There's not a lot to say.

35:44Levante created two or three really good chances in the game, particularly early on, which Barcelona always give you. And after that, it was pretty much a walk in the park, a training game per se. Jao Cancelo man in the match. Obviously, when they signed him, we were like, look, he's great going forward for the defensive end. Listen, Jao Cancelo man in the match. Perfect for this game. Yeah, exactly. against a team that's going to do very little attacking, against a team that you're just pushing back. He doesn't have to defend much. That's perfect for João Cancelo because he's a brilliant footballer.

36:17I mean, here's a guy when he was at Man City going in the middle of the park and not look out of place with his passing. In fact, his passing was almost as good as De Bruyne's when he went in there. The problem is, and City have this in abundance, they have full-backs that can't really defend. So today was a perfect day for him. When you get João Cancelo in a wide position, I suppose it can be frustrating for a striker because he cuts back all the time, but he usually sits the defender on his backside. He's a really good player going forward. That being said, the recent woes are behind them. Who the hell knows what the challenge is going to be from Real Madrid because it's up and down.

36:55They were a debacle again yesterday, got outplayed by Ossesuna and deservedly lost. but this Basa side are going to keep it interesting because of their defence I suppose that is the one thing if they had a really really strong defence that played a played a a sensible high line and you added that to the rest of the team they'd walk away with this league they just walk away with it but they don't have that they don't have it so they go about it a certain way and that way is it's super exciting to watch but it gives teams opportunities one of the reasons they lost last week against Girona was for that reason the interesting thing is going to be the La Liga title race and how this back line is going to cope in the Champions League that's going to be fun to watch going forward Cancel is not going to help that that's for sure I actually can understand why the bookies maybe made Real Madrid favourites because for a couple of games they weren't sparkling but they were better Barcelona's dropped and we've been waiting all season for Real Madrid to be better.

38:00So there was kind of a thought. I had that thought that, you know what, this just might be what they need. Get top of the league and then change gear and off you go. Clearly not. How do you change? But I understand. They were down geared. Yeah, I've got a stick on mine. I think most people do now. No. Well, they have a stick. All right, fair enough. You're right, all right. You're right. All right, I'm wrong, you're right. I think the question here is, Do you think Arbeloa has slightly switch it from Basa do you think Arbeloa has just stumbled on it for a couple of games and yesterday was back to just normality outplayed by Osasuna the Osasuna midfield were knocking it around as if they were Real Madrid and Real Madrid have been getting results on individual moments whether it's been Mbappe or Vinicius doing some special which is part of the game I get it but it really hasn't much been about a team effort.

38:58And you watch even the Osasunas of this world who are kind of mid-table. You watch how they play. You watch even how Elche plays in via Cano. It's kind of a team. They pass it. They move. You just don't see that from Real Madrid. They're relying on somebody, for the most part, doing a bit of individual genius. And when that goes away and they get caught defensively like they did yesterday, that's what happens. And so they deserve to get what they got yesterday, which was absolutely nothing. Well, it's good for us because it makes for a great title race between now and the end of the season. You can, of course, follow it live on ESPN+.

39:34Barca against Villarreal is our early game on Saturday. Then next Sunday, Real Madrid... Next Monday, Real Madrid against Getafe.

39:47We're going to Bulgaria because we want to show you this goal here. King of the pitch. King of the pitch. Tune in tomorrow to find out I don't believe that will take over As king of the pitch Who's the one that's still It's the volley from Corner kick Straight to the top of the box First time volley We'll of course find out on the next edition of ESPN FC Of course you discussed, was it yesterday? Shaka won't be here tomorrow Because The mysterious airplane cancellation He can't fly He is here in second That's where we're on on the cruise, oh good old days. Xhaka, of course, used to time on the beach, and that's exactly where he's going to be spending it.

40:33Happy birthday to Xhaka. I'm sure you're glued to your television watching this. But thank goodness we've got a man who can come and step in. It is our very own. It's the oldest one in the book, isn't it? My flight has been cancelled. Of course, the East Coast is going to see a lot of snow. good luck if you have to deal with that. We'll be in, probably just watch a bit of TV, Stevie. Oh absolutely, I'll have the fire on.

41:04Welcome in then to the latest edition of Extra Time Preparations of course here on the East Coast for a lot of snow that's on its way. Heavy snow. Me and Stevie are off tomorrow so unfortunately we'll have to deal with it. Craig Burley though. I'm lucky. What are you going to do? Are you going to stay the night here tonight so you have to drive in? That's cheating. That's cheating. You just want to drive in in the snow. Listen, I think you'll find when we had the last snowstorm, he's Nibs and I. Yes, I know. We put a life on the line driving home. We did as well. You got stuck, didn't you? I got stuck.

41:36He had an argument with a plough. No plough guy. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't see out the window in the room. No, no, I'll be coming in. Wow. I'm planning to come in, unless my flight is Gansk. Xhaka will not be coming in. It's Xhaka's birthday today. Believe it, happy birthday to him. He is still at Carnival and couldn't make it because his flight was cancelled. Frank, how are you? We haven't spoken to you. I've ignored you a bit today. Oh, that's all right. Don't worry. I don't expect anything from you anyway. But I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. I just came back from... It wasn't done. Excuse me?

42:09It wasn't done. It said in the email from the producer. Yeah, the email said, don't go to Frank. Ignore Frank. No Frank. Oh, that's okay. The guy's a Spurs fan, you know, he's mourning right now, so he's OK. He's got a lot of issues. Even the Vokes boss, he's got lots of issues. Craig, was today a response from Arsenal received to recent form, or can this be put down to Derby Dynamics, and therefore a one-off performance? Hold on, I was adjusting the thing. Oh, OK. All right. You ready? Is there a response from Arsenal received to recent form? No, they're just... Just a better team. They're just a much better team.

42:44They're the best team in England at the moment, even though they've had a slip-up. And they have the best roster, probably, in European football. Not saying they're the best, they're going to win the Champions League or anything like that. But to be able to make changes, they have a better ability than anybody. Yeah. To make changes to that first XI. There's no doubt about that. How was your holiday? You had a holiday, of course. Did you have a nice time? Mexico. Yeah. That's all you need to know. Okay. Weather was good, no snow. You did show me your feet that you burnt. That's a lovely sight.

43:18I did. I made a schoolboy error. You laughed at me because I had my socks on. Where did you have your socks on? When I was down in Philly. I had my socks on. Now you know why. Yes. Listen. Hold on a second. Did you or did you not? Did your feet get swollen up and you couldn't put your shoes on? No, I could put them on. It was a struggle. There you go. But I'd rather have that struggle than wear those socks. No. No, I think you're wrong there. Get your socks on, son. We discussed this on the show because obviously we're pressed with SA today, Stevie. What does Arteta do with Odegaard going forward?

43:50Odegaard might be leaving Arsenal. What's up next, Stevie? That's quite a statement. Well, if you're Odegaard and you're the captain and 18 months ago you were the guy and all of a sudden, I know he's had a couple of injuries, but all of a sudden there's question marks whether he actually starts in the 11 because of Izzy, maybe even because of the way he's been playing somebody else might get ahead of him as well so if you're Odegaard, do you stick around? I don't think you do Wow, Frank? I agree, I agree I always liked Odegaard the way he was playing you know he's very elegant and everything but he's not influential anymore.

44:44As I said, he's there to start the action, to organize, to distribute the ball, maybe on the horizontal way. And when you have Eze right now, you see that the move are not the same, that he's more vertical, he's more influential, he's gonna help Diokeres. So it's gonna be a hard time for the guard and he would have to make a very good choice, a big choice maybe at the end of the season. Where's Jan? Where's Jan when you need him? Oh, Jan. Odegaard could be the worst player on the planet. And Erling Haaland could have not scored for 20 games. And Jan's not going to A. Anyway, you get ADHD. What do you mean?

45:25You're always writing when people are talking. I don't think that's ADHD. I think it's just... You're just bored. I was watching you before. Frank's talk. That's just sketchy. I always doodle. It's part of. It's everywhere. You're not even writing anything. No, it's just, I don't know. It's what you do down like that. I do, yeah. I've been doing it for 13 years. It calms them down, is that right? It must do. It does something to them. Do that and chew my pen. There's something wrong with that. Coming from you. Not good for your liver. Chew it, man. Oh, yeah, prove it. Stevie, do you think with Arsenal's performance today and Jokor is finally scoring a couple of centre-forward style goals that Arsenal have their mojo back and are still the favourites to win the Premier League?

46:11Well, I think they're still favourites to win the Premier League. And, furthermore, go on to win the Champions League.

46:21I don't know about the Champions League, but I would definitely say they're favourites to win the Premier League still. They did today what they do best. They put pressure on the opposition constantly. and today, once they got the ball back from that pressure, they had some good passing, some good moving and a couple of good goals. So, yeah, I don't think the mojo per se had gone. I think they had made some mistakes defensively and then they'd be getting caught out. I mean, they lost another goal today. That back line that just couldn't be broken at the start of the season is getting broken. but listen if Jocker starts doing what he did today and as he starts getting a run of games he will score more goals so yeah I think Arsenal absolutely are still firm favourites for the Premier League.

47:11Champions League I don't know. Who's going to win the Champions League? I don't know. If you had to bet right now.

47:19I know PSG haven't been at the best but if they can get everybody fit I don't want to play against them right yeah PSG I'll go with PSG yeah Frank I agree and I talked about that last time that I was in the show that PSG are not the same than comparing to last year but if they if they they go back to what they they are capable of doing and they have all the players for that when you see that Dembele got injured last game and Dewey came on and he scored two goals they They have the bench, they have the depth, they have the spirit, they can win the Champions League. But yeah, definitely Arsenal can be one of the contenders, for sure.

48:01And they are, they are the favourite but they deserve to win the Premier League. Because for me they've been the best team. Have you ever dominated a team with individual performances like Eze against Spurs this season? Do you have a team in particular who did well against Stevie? Newcastle. Yeah, you got the hat-trick obviously, the famous thing against Newcastle. I scored a few goals against Newcastle, particularly away from home. I mean, again, nobody can ever put their finger on why, but it just kind of happens sometimes. Newcastle was the team I enjoyed playing against. Did you? I don't know if you heard this.

48:36Some grounds you prefer playing that to others, away from your own ground. You know, when you're going away, sometimes you... I don't know why, maybe you've had a string of good games there or you just like the app or the pitch. I just felt that for me was like some of the grounds I just didn't like going to but I always liked going to like when Frank was there at Chelsea we know even though they had a better side and we were up and coming we generally always get some really good results at Old Trafford okay two or three years in the spin I mean here we got to the cup final 94 I think we beat them twice and certainly beat them one nil at Old Trafford then we beat them up there I I think two years in the spin when Gianluca Vialli scored for my Frank.

49:20So those kind of places, I always felt... Because Man United would let you play. And the pitch was quite big. You got a bit of space. Whereas if you went to other grounds, like West Ham maybe, or Blackburn or something like that. The Dell. It felt as if you could throw a blanket on everybody. There was no space. You went to Old Trafford, they were good players. Cantona, Keane, all that. But you got a bit of time and space to play. Man City was the same. Man City had the biggest pitch in the league. Unfortunately, they didn't have a very good team. Right. And so, any good teams would crucify them.

49:56I mean, because they couldn't get close to you. Was that Main Road? Yeah, Main Road. Yeah, the pitch was huge. Frank, did you have a place you liked going?

50:09Not necessarily, but it's true that Old Trafford, you know, that was pretty magical, especially the year where I played with Craig. But I liked playing against Leicester. I scored like two, three goals against Leicester. I saved in the line. In a cup game, we had to do the replay at Stamford Bridge. But that was a hell of a stadium, the former stadium that they had. And that was awful. But I liked to play there. That was a very hard team to play against with very physical players. But I enjoyed it. and I remember saving on the line the last minute of the game and we had to do the replay. But the stadium where I hated to play was Highbury.

50:51It was too small for me because on top of playing against a very good team, the field, I didn't feel comfortable playing there. I enjoyed playing there. I mean Liverpool, obviously Anfield, I really enjoyed playing at Anfield. Unfortunately, I don't remember many good results at Anfield, even with Celtic when we played the UEFA Cup, we drew 0-0 there. But I was the opposite. I liked Highbury because it felt very traditional. It was only 30-odd thousand. Even though they were a big club, it wasn't a big stadium. And it was a tight pitch, but I just enjoyed playing. I mean, Frank, I think Frank played in the game.

51:26It was a midweek game. It was 3-3. It was just bonkers. It was a bonkers game. I just, I remember, and then we had the FA Cup semi-final there. Right. When Zola scored this great goal to make it, I think, 3-1 or whatever the score was. 3-0 I can't remember. So I actually enjoyed Highbury. I don't know, did you? Nah, it was a little tight. Well it was tight. It was a little tight, a lot of the time it was a bun fight. Because there weren't that much space and you got two teams going at it, there weren't a lot of space, a lot of challenges, a lot of, which was fun but obviously you'd. Which was probably the reason if you think back to those tit for tats with Wenger and Ferguson with Keane and...

52:08Because everyone is just... Well, yeah. Your tunnel, I mean, your tunnel's that size for a starter. Yeah. So you've got the niggles in the tunnel, you don't like them, and the pitch is small, so you can get close to people to make tackles. There's only room for one. Honestly. Right. It's one person. There's only room for one person to go down. Yeah. And you're trying to get two teams down. And so before the game, even before the game, you're actually making contact. And then you start going like that. Like a bottle of me. You're shoving me. You're shoving me. I tell you what though, they're going to love the little players lounge at the top.

52:38Oh, lovely. Right at the top of the tunnel. Where's the players lounge, Frankie? Oh, nice little lounge. It's funny, I remember Craig in a semi-final against Wimbledon that we played at Highbury. Do you remember we were waiting in the tunnel and Vinnie Jones were yelling and screaming, come on, guys, we're going to walk on them and blah, blah, blah. And really good, it came close to him and he said, guys, don't worry, don't worry. People are yelling like that. It's because they're scared. They have a real big fear and I thought it would be a fight and that was insane. But that was a hell of a game, it's true.

53:10That was a very good performance from us. Scotland, either of you two following what's going on? Rangers and Celtic actively trying to hand Hearts the title. I don't know what's happened today or this weekend. Someone sent me results, Mike sent me to... Celtic won Hibs 2, Livingston 2, Rangers 2. Rangers have been on a mental run. Danny Roel took over at Rangers, a young German coach, I believe. And they were on a bit of a tear because they weren't even in the title race. And then they were back in. And they beat Hearts, I believe they beat Hearts 4-2 last week. Two weeks ago. So this is a little, two weeks ago, whatever it was.

53:47This is a little blip for them. Right. I think the worry for Celtic is that it's no fault of Mark the Neil, really. But I think the Celtic board are getting it absolutely hammered. because they did no business in the transfer window. They got battered by Stuttgart in the European competition a week or so ago, whatever it was, when they played last Thursday I think it was. And they've now lost at home, so trust me, I've been up there in the east end of Glasgow. The knives are up. I've been there when it's gone really well and we were successful and that's hard enough. when it's going the other way.

54:30Your family, Rangers, supporters, Steve, they were playing Livingston. Livingston have only won once all season. They couldn't win. No, he can't. Yeah, but, I mean, the problem is, you're going to drop points and you don't know when it's coming. Well, it gets to Livingston. And when you've been, well, hold on a second. When you've been on... Literally, we're down to 10 men. They've only won once this season. Let me know where you've finished. 28 games. Let me know where you've finished. A Livingston fan. He won't even know where Livingston is. Where's Livingston? Scotland. It's Colin. I know. Are you done?

54:57Yes, sorry. I don't know exactly, but Rangers have been on an incredible run winning the last 13 or something stupid. So there's going to be a game where they drop points. Now, you don't know when it's coming. You just know that it's coming. And unfortunately, it was against a team that have been struggling. They drew against Motherwell. They drew against Motherwell two games ago. All right, they've been on a 15, 16 game unbeaten. They drew against Hibbs before that. Unbeaten. You said they've won every game. Unbeaten. Oh sorry, I thought you said they'd won every game. Not just that, but Scotland are...

55:28If you follow our former colleague Dale Johnson, it's all going south up there really. They're losing their coefficient for European competitions as well. So the chances of them getting in on anything... How are living sting there? Do you think Indy Scotland knows what coefficient of? Well they think that... In Scotland they think you're coefficient. That's where you get your lager. Hey John, we're losing the coefficient. What's that? What are you on about? That's where you get your beer. I'll be honest with you, I think the best thing that could happen up there is hearts to win the league anyway.

55:59Okay, that's nice. It's too much of the same every season, but I don't know if it will happen. Anyway, just because you've spilled food in your shirt. I have. Look at that. The camera can't see it, so it doesn't count. When did Stevie and Craig meet? Did you have a relationship before you came here? No. Well, actually, we did. We played against each other. When I was working in London, he was doing shows here. When I was doing, when you were here. Yes. You were here. I was here. You remember. He was here. Yes. I was in London. Frank came on. He's almost 10 years older than me, so he was coming at the end at Sheffield Wednesday.

56:35I didn't play against him at Liverpool because when we were up there in 94, he was on the bench on his way. I was a little there. You were still there. And then when he was at Sheffield... I played against him when he was at Sheffield Wednesday. But again, he was... If I said to you before you'd met him, Steve Nichol, what would come to mind from what you've heard about him? Like amongst Oh no Well I watched What do you mean? Well like what sort of reputation Did Stevie have? I don't know I didn't really know anybody Right All I know is If he said to me his name I would have thought back to like The late 80s Particularly the Arsenal game Yes I remember that vividly His mistake that led to Arsenal win Yeah well he dived in on Mickey Thomas Yeah And he flipped it over his head No We didn't have as much TV In the telly Uruguay Was that a Friday night game?

57:19Yes Yeah Just sticks with me that game It was like such a big game and there was so little on TV then. Yeah. That can be Liverpool of the... Yes. With that strip, John Barnes and all that. I didn't know he was like such an athlete. We didn't know. I mean, I had a fair idea. It's a physical specimen that Stevie is. That's a fair idea. That is it. I think that's it. That will bring us to the end of today's show. Good luck, of course, if you're going to have to face the snow on the East Coast. Shut up. Shaka! For sure. Shaka Heslop, everybody's hero.