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24:57And that front four didn't play particularly well today and Barca got taken off, but it was tight spaces to try and play. If that opens up the French beat. I think it would be very interesting to see who Deschamps will decide to play against Hakimi. Right. Between Dewey and Barcola. Right. Because they play for Paris Saint-Germain. All of them. So it's going to be very interesting to see what would be the tactical battle. We'll be discussing that, of course, later on in the week. But coming up after the break, we'll be focusing on one of the big round of 16 games on Sunday, which sees Mexico take on England.

25:30John Sutcliffe is there. He's happy. Mark Ogden as well to join us. Let's get the Mexican English view.

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27:41So then Sunday is all about Mexico against England at the Azteca. Mark Ogden is here to give us the English view. We'll hear from Mark in a moment. But first, we'll start with John Sutcliffe, our ESPN Deportes reporter. There's a big delay because of the altitude. We'll blame everything on the altitude, shall we? John are Mexico the favorites going into this? Yeah

28:07Well the betting houses say no actually England is a favorite in this game but I do think this is the best opportunity Mexico has had in a long time to get something done in a knockout stage it's not a coincidence it took them 40 years to win a World Cup game of knockout in this same stadium at this same altitude. I can tell you if the heat and the smog is the same tomorrow as it's been today, it's going to be very difficult. I've covered other sports. I've seen Roger Federer having trouble hitting a tennis ball. I've seen Tiger Woods having trouble hitting golf balls because it's not just the altitude.

28:49The higher you kick the football, there's less resistance. So I can assure you that this afternoon, the England club training at Puma's facility, they realized that everything moves differently. It moves quicker. The higher you hit it, the higher it goes. So I do think Mexico has a great opportunity. But I guess the British invented the betting partners. The betting world says that England should win. But I think Javier Aguirre is very happy not to be the favorite team on Sunday here. John, a lot of talk about the weather going into that clash. Confirm the kickoff time will be in the evening.

29:38Yes, there's a big concern from the Mexican government that all the parties and all the fiestas in Reforma and the Angels of Independence, they wanted to start the game earlier just because of that. They thought that if it was a noon game, they would have more control in the celebrating. And at the same time, FIFA had agreed to do the change. Because if you put the game at noon, it was 7 p.m. in UK time, prime time. You can sell your spots for a higher price. But finally, information came out. FIFA didn't like the idea that social media was talking about something. They haven't said anything officially.

30:17so nothing happened even though my sources tell me that FIFA had agreed to change it to noon it became again at 6pm Mexico City time Mark you were here yesterday telling us about beetroot juice any other information you'd like to bring us how they can deal with the altitude is there a feeling from England that they could really go out tomorrow there's a respect for Mexico and there's a respect for the conditions that they're in but I think England also believe that they're one of the best teams in this tournament and they've got some world-class players and I think team for team England are the better team England should win this game but the x factor is the conditions it's the altitude it's the the lack of preparation time it's the flying in late last night it's the you know the uncertainty about the kick-off time all these things have kind of have made it more of a level playing field so there is a concern but listen England have played in Mexico City before everyone talks about the hand of God game in 86 but they actually beat Paraguay three and under and before that English players have actually They're playing Mexico and won.

31:15They're not playing on the moon. But I understand that there are differences. And it's been made a big issue because it's such a big game. But I think on itself, I can see why England are favourites. But I think there's a respect towards the Mexico team. Because yes, they've won three games without conceding a goal. Is it four games without conceding a goal? So they're a very good team. But player for player, team for team, England are the better team. What are you expecting tomorrow, Jermaine? Yeah, myself, I played there. So I know how it is. And I can only say when I played there after 30 minutes in when we came into halftime, I need an oxygen tank in a mask to breathe.

31:50How does it feel like trying on the field? You feel like, oh, you can run. And then after 30 minutes, it feels like somebody hit you with a with a hammer, you know, in the forehead. And it's really difficult. And it's not easy to explain because you think it's football. You have to figure it out. And I think the biggest key would be how much is England ready to battle and hit that, you know, the highest point where you feel like you're tired, but still keep going. Because you will feel like your stomach hurts. Like they already said, if you hit a ball, the ball flies way higher and farther. There's so many things that you have to put into it, into the game.

32:25It's not just playing. So it will be difficult. That's why I believe that it will be Mexico who will win this game because Mexico will go the first 30 minutes full power. They will press. They will go do everything they can do because they know the conditions are on their side. So even if England tries to manage it and try to figure out, okay, a little bit, they have to go and match the speed from Mexico. So Mexico knows that. And that's a clear advantage that they can play in that sticker. We know England can play. Well, I say we know. England can play better than they play against the DR Congo.

32:58There's no doubt about that. Now, can they reach a level good enough to win this World Cup? That's a huge question. But I know they can play better. And as Augie said, they are man for man better than this Mexican team. So when I watch this game, the main thing I'm going to be intrigued about in the first 20 minutes is not how they pass the ball, it's how they deal with the conditions. It's how the players are looking. Who have you got winning this? Well, if England can somehow handle... And I've never played at altitude, as we mentioned the other day, so I don't know. But all I'm hearing from Jermaine and everybody else and people that have been there is it can just cause you so many problems.

33:37And you can't play any sport, elite sport, when you're feeling like that. So it completely depends on how England handle these conditions. If England are able to overcome, for the most part, the altitude issue, I think they'll win the game. But if they don't, I can't see how physically, over 90 gruelling minutes in the Azteca, if these conditions affect them in a way that I know what they are worried about. I don't think they can win the match. So it completely comes down to the altitude and how they cope with it for me. So you're edging Mexico, if I was to make you pick? If you were to make me pick at the moment, I would go Mexico because I don't know how England are going to overcome the conditions that everybody, including John, have described.

34:19I'm 100 % with Craig. I think everywhere else in the world, I would put England. But playing at this altitude, I think it's an X factor, as Mark said. And we have stories about Brazil going to Bolivia and not being able to play after 15 minutes and losing any new. They lose the game, but they know they're going to win the second leg. That's what it is. And it's why. It's going to be very hard. And any human being will know now that the England players are going to suffer. They're going to struggle, and it's going to be very, very hard. And we saw Mexico against Ecuador. And the tempo, the rhythm that the Mexicans put, they exactly know what they're doing.

34:57It's almost unbearable. If we had the budget and the time, I would have flown down to Mexico City and had a little run around a few miles. Yeah, I know. We looked into it and a one-way ticket was all right, actually. In the end, we had to get Mark on. John, how big a party will there be in Mexico if they beat England?

35:22Just not in Mexico. In the United States, I can tell you the most sold World Cup jersey in the US is the Mexican national team, El Verde, the green one. There's no question. That's why the Mexican government was trying to see a way of moving up the game till noon instead of 6 o 'clock Eastern, just because they were worried that the fiesta is going to last till the wee hours, till 5, 6 in the morning. There's a real concern about how people will react. Remember, Mexicans, we don't have a lot of superstars. We have Canelo Alvarez, a boxer, Checo Perez in Formula One, and Mexico is dying. The fans are dying to celebrate.

36:03They're dying to have a star in the national team. Remember, I just told you guys, 40 years ago, in this same stadium, it was the last time Mexico won a knockout round stage in the World Cup. and we all know that this stadium with the fans and also the smog, the contamination, is also a factor that's going to be against England. So this is the biggest opportunity Mexico has had in four decades to be a world champion, be... Javier Aguirre said by far the Premier League is the best league in the world and everything's set up to give Mexico an opportunity. You're going to see go after England in the first 30 minutes.

36:45they're going to try in and make them feel that this stadium, this altitude, these fans are going to make them struggle. And what happens when the altitude hits concentration, and that's what mistakes happen. And I think the Mexican team is looking, if the English side is getting tired, mistakes can be the difference to see who advances to Miami next week. John Sutcliffe, absolute legend. Thank you very much for joining us. Just a reminder, special ESPN FC tomorrow, live at 3 p.m. on ESPN2, as we count down to those two round of 16 matches. The first one sees Brazil take on Norway. We'll be talking about that game after the break.

37:28You look at the talent that's on the show. In these two sides, the amount of attacking quality, it should be a belter.

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39:13So the first game on Sunday at the MetLife. Brazil against Norway.

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39:33Mark, you've got the golden ticket. Yeah. This should be brilliant, shouldn't it? Absolutely. I've been to Norway's last two games, and in both press conferences, Brazilian journalists are asking the question, Norway have never lost to Brazil. Are you going to beat Brazil again? They're really worried about playing Norway. Because of that record, I think Norway beat them in the World Cup in France in 98 as well. They did, the final game. Yeah, and obviously the Haaland factor. So, Norway are a much better team than back in the 90s when they were quite direct. I mean, older guys. Yes they are They were number six In the FIFA ranking Back in 98 They're better to watch They're better to watch But it's It's a game that Suddenly the FIFA rankings Well But This Brazil team Isn't the best we've ever seen I don't think And I think they are Gettable In terms of Can you beat them But The Haaland factor It's Haaland versus Gabriel Which has obviously got a bit of Spice to it as well And we haven't really seen A lot of Brazil yet So There's a slight confidence In the Norwegians They can win this game This should be great shouldn't it Yeah Yeah, absolutely.

40:29And don't forget, Norway came into this World Cup. I think they were perfect in qualification. Yeah. You know, in Italy, who didn't qualify, didn't have a bad qualification, but they drew one game and they were out. Norway were pitch perfect. I think it depends how they defend against the Brazilian front line. There's no doubt they could match them for the legs in the middle of the park. And there's no doubt that they can create chances at the other end, depending who plays, if it's Solov and Haaland or whoever it is, Martin Odegaard, they have the players to cut this Brazilian team open. But can they...

41:05I don't think for a minute we're looking at a 0-0 here at all. This is a Norwegian side that actually go into this game thinking, do you know what? We are not scared of this Brazilian team and we can go toe-to-toe with them. And if they get the ball to Erling Haaland and one or two of these bigger lads have got up front, they could cause Brazil a right few problems. Yeah, they're going to go for it. And for me, they're the favorites, according to what we saw before the World Cup. They were the favorites. No, Norwegian. They are the favorites for me, according to what I saw, according to what Brazil presented before the World Cup.

41:37Brazil is getting better into my mind in the way that for the three games that they play, they were better than before. But the confidence that the Norwegian team has right now into their football makes me feel that they're going to go for it and they're going to win that game. What are you expecting, Germain? I think that too, that Norway has a really, really good chance, especially with the three in the front, you know, because if you take Haaland, he is the one, the main guy. But then you have Nusa, you have Stoller. They're guys too. You have to be really careful. and I don't see Brazil right now so stable, especially that you feel like, oh, this three cannot hurt him.

42:19So Haaland showed it already, not only in club level, he showed it here at the World Cup too, that he don't need a lot of chances and he scored. Nusa made an amazing goal now in the last game. So Norway has an amazing attack and I think there's something where they definitely can get something out of the game. Rafinha training today, obviously, has missed quite a bit of the Grix. Yeah, it'd be a gamble to put him back in. but I think the key is in midfield because it's, can Casemiro cope against Sanderberg, Patrick, but there's a lot of energy in the Norway midfield and Casemiro was hot and cold against Japan.

42:48Very much so, cold then hot. Yeah, but he's, obviously he's delivered, but this could be a game where Brazil's lack of legs in midfield really pays. He delivered with a goal, but he got outpaced. I mean, he was booked and then he got outpaced for that Japanese goal. And the first goal is because he gave a bad pass. It's quite embarrassing, actually. They really don't have the legs in the middle of the park. Paketa I think is injured but he has struggled so they don't have the legs and that's one thing that Norwegian are in the middle of the park they're very workman like as Augie said they can get up and down and they can get their foot in and they can defend it's how much control of the ball they can they can have and how much possession they can get in that Brazilian final third because if they get good quality balls in the box we're going to see a great battle with Gabriel again

43:38I'm going to go for Brazil. Of what I've said, despite thinking that Norway got a leg. So you're talking nonsense. Yeah, basically. I just think Brazil's quality of any junior has been delivering this World Cup, so I think Brazil will sneak it to one. OK. I'm not neutral also because I'm a Viking descendant, so I have to go for Norway. You don't have to do anything. Yeah, because I'm... What part of Scandinavia have you descended from? It's none of your business. I thought they had flowing long blonde hair. Yeah, I had a nice feature. You could have said... I had a nice feature with the long blonde blonde hair.

44:13Brazil could have been playing anybody tomorrow and he'd have been a descendant somewhere. No, no, no, no, no. I'm a Viking. I'm from Normandy. When Viking came down to Normandy, you have to know your history. But whatever. So I'm going for Norway. And like German, I would say 3-2. Oh, 3-2 as well? For Norway. I think Norway's been a great story and they are a side who haven't been to a World Cup for many, many years and they are on an upward trajectory. There's no doubt about it, but I just think the Brazilians and the Samba... You're a Brazilian descendant? No, I'm not. Believe me. Split panel then.

44:51Looking ahead to that game tomorrow and then on Monday, it's been a dream so far, hasn't it, for the US. they've exceeded all expectations. Will that continue against Belgium or will it end in a nightmare?

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45:39So the US taking on Belgium on Monday. The US slight favourites going into the clash. Here's Tim Ream.

45:51Honestly, I think if you look at it, you look at how are we winning, how have we won the games, right? And they've all been a little bit different. And that gives you, when teams can win in different ways, when teams have to win in different ways, it gives you that mental boost. And that gives you the understanding of, okay, right, sometimes the game's not going to be nice. It's not going to be pretty. You're not going to have everything go your way. But you find ways to finish games out. That's a huge, like I said, a huge mental boost in a tournament like this. Here we go then, Jermaine. US favorites.

46:33You agree? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Even if you realize that they faced Belgium seven times and they only won once. And that was 19.30. Oh, Frank was just a baby? Yeah, it was 3-0. That's why I said they will win this game 3-0. Oh, really? Yeah. They will win it. Where do you stand on this, Frank? I feel that it can be something special for the United States. Of course, you have the Balogoon absence and everything. How would you deal with that? Have you been asked that yet? Ten times. No, Pepe. I think Pepe is going to be naturally put in that position. But really, it's also because I'm not convinced by Belgium.

47:12and the way that they have played, the way they have worked together or not together. And everything with the enthusiasm of the fans, the enthusiasm of the players, United States can achieve something great in that game. So maybe not 3-0, 2-1 for me, but I feel that United States is going to go through. If the US can impose their game on Belgium and they can negate some of their quicker players like Doku and then they have to rely on the older brigade like Lukaku. If he plays, he probably won't, but he's certainly been effective coming off the bench. Kevin De Bruyne, they can't run a game like they used to.

47:52I mean, for 10 years, Kevin De Bruyne was arguably the most creative midfielder in European football. He was incredible and he would get box to box. He can't do that anymore. So if you can pose those questions, a bit like what Mexico were talking about and Mexico City, pose the questions to England. can they handle the conditions and the pace of the game? I think that's what the US should be doing with Belgium. Because if you've watched all the Belgium games in the tournament so far, or most of them, they've all been very pedestrian. Kind of slow paced and Belgium have ground out results. I mean, they should never...

48:27Senegal should be kicking themselves. That game should have been over. Now, you give Belgium credit for digging it out. But there's only so many times you can do that. And I think there's an amazing opportunity here. for these US boys to get to the quarterfinals. Just quickly, Pepe, how do you deal with that? And how do things change with him leading the line? You know, I don't even know if Pochettino's going with him. Okay, no, because I... What do you think? I don't know. My feeling is just saying, like, maybe you put Christian Pulicic in the head, let him a little bit as a felds nine, you know, that he always come.

48:59Because the last game, Pepe was not, for me, not when he had the chance, he was not really in the game. So, yeah, maybe there we can see a surprise. It is of course 4th of July, hence the fireworks going on behind us right now. Beautiful and what a way to tribute a 250 year birthday. Frank, what's on your head? I don't know, maybe a toupee? Wow, I'm glad I've got the biggest head, that makes sense. Don't go close up on that. Jeremy, what happened to your hair? Oh no, that was me. Wow Look at that Oh my god What a treat Well it's very apt That there's three Americans Sat here at the table That's it Yeah it's very true Well not quite You and I Old citizens Plastic Americans And then Frank Yeah But none of it Me and Frank were at the Hudson River This morning Yeah we saw the Patrouille de France Yeah I saw the Red Arrow It was great It was very good Great What were you doing?

49:55Nothing I had a bit of a late night last night I'm not gonna lie I was like that when you sent the text about the red arrow. Yeah, no, that's very true. And I'm blaming the producer, right? Oh, yeah. And he's over there and he's on the case again tonight. Yeah, yeah. Violin is out. You're very easily left. There's no way it's 4.30. It's not 4.30 tomorrow. 4.15. Why is he pretending? But he's not the gang leader in all of this. I'm not doing it. That is ridiculous. Fireworks tonight, Frank, you'll be watching. What? The fireworks. Oh, yes, because I'm going to be working at a sports centre segment.

50:29I'm going to be on the terrace. I'm going to, Sorry guys, I'm going to be late for the dinner because I'm going to work the... You're not invited to. Well, I'm going to be next table. That's it. Whatever you're doing this evening, enjoy it, gentlemen. And thank you very much. We'll be back tomorrow then to look back at Brazil against Norway, Mexico against England. A superb day of World Cup football.

50:58And that's a wrap. Welcome to the latest edition of Extra Time. Frank's first day. You know we do Extra Time every time. I forgot because they didn't do it for almost a week. There was a World Cup. There is a World Cup. We've done it every day. No, but I don't do it. The best one was when Kieran thought they'd finished. He goes, can I go for a pee now? Really? Extra Time. So what happened to him after that? Yeah, there you go. He couldn't go. Frank, of the teams left, aside from Argentina, who has the best chance to beat France?

51:32Well, Morocco, next game, because they did... You're most scared of Morocco? Oh yes, yes, I have lots of respect for the players that I know. Right, so of all the teams left, Morocco are the hardest team. Well, he's a kind of one-game-at-a-time guy, isn't he? Cliché. Well, we don't... No, no, no, no, no, of course not. The question is, who are you... Spain is my... Right, so you could have just said that. Yeah, you could have done, instead of waffling on. So I'm going to go to P. I'm going to go to P. It's called at five days now. So Spain. Okay, Spain. Why? Oh, you want an explanation? Oh, yes.

52:02Okay, because they showed you lately for the past two years that they've been the best team in the world before France, even when they won the European Championship. And you have to have respect for this team. And when you see at front, Oya Zabal, La Miniamal, of course. Very, very good team. Another question for Frank. He can make his lucky stars. It's the 4th of July. The postal service is a bit slow. Because I've ordered that off Amazon. Oh, yes. Frank, who has been... Sorry to keep him quiet. Who has been the better performance, both with their club and country this season, Saliba or Umecano?

52:39Wow, that's a hard question because I highly rate Saliba and I think he's one of the best centre-backs in the world, but Umecano had a hell of a season. And so far with the national team, Umecano has shown to the world that he's a great, great centre-back. So, but I still go for William. William Saliba is a great defender. I love the way he thinks the football. You're really confusing me here. OK, Saliba. You're going for a Pomecano and then you did a complete pivot. No, I didn't do the pivot. I just, at first I said that Saliba, I highly rank him, but... No, that was a Pomecano. OK, Saliba. Right.

53:17Another French question. Frank, if Didier Deschamps wins another World Cup with France, given two titles and three World Cup final appearances, does he move to the top of the list of greatest international managers ever? Well, World Cup have been set since 1930. So, yeah, throughout that, I mean, Brazil, for example, you had great coaches. I don't have the names of all of them, but DJ Deschamps will be the best national team coach ever, you know because he got the European Championship to two to three World Cup finals in three World Cups that's insane and winning two of the three that would be great achievement so he will have to be named the best coach ever What did Dil Bosque win?

54:02Did he not win three? He won two World Cups, did he? No one World Cup and two Euros. I think he won 208. No, Luis Aragonés was there, wasn't he? For one of them. Why spoil the story? I seem to remember. Why spoil the story? Stupid facts. Jermaine, is Argentina weaker than we expected, or is Cape Verde much better than we anticipated? No, I would say Cape Verde just played an amazing game. Yeah. And you have to put that respect, especially for a small country like that, that it shows you and proves you that the smaller country is getting better. The other thing, you know, it's like today, you know, everybody might say, you know, oh, French didn't play well.

54:39Like yesterday, Argentina didn't play well. but you have to respect the opponent and the way they play. Oh, you really respected Paraguay? No, I don't. I don't. In that matter, I don't. It's just that they refuse to play. So it's hard, even if you're the best team in the world, it's hard to compose with somebody who parked the bus and don't just think about destroying the game. So that's it. For Argentina, that was another thing. Cape Verde was exceptional yesterday. Craig, which favourite had the worst game? Argentina against Cape Verde or France against Paraguay? Just what I said. Can we swap that question?

55:09I wasn't listening. Oh, yeah, I know. You're not listening to anything. It's amazing. He's an amazing ventriloquist. I answered that without my lips moving. Oh, come on. Give me... Who was worse? I'm very interested. What? Who was worse? Yeah. Argentina or France? No, the Argentina game was exciting. Not the game, the performance from Argentina compared to that of France.

55:41I don't know. I have to pee. Yes, you've did that joke already. You can't do it twice. It's very long, you know. Do you have an answer or not? Do you really have an answer or do you just want to bother everybody? When's your sports centre hit? Nine. I bet they're really looking forward to you coming on. I'm sure. He has the six-second delay. That's what it is. What? No, no, nothing. Someone says something in your ear and you just say it. Yeah, but I think it was very funny. I'll say France just to move on Jermaine who out of Argentina or France had the worst performance Argentina yeah yeah yeah I think so I think so yeah when you guys are on ESPN ESPN2 do you like seeing yourselves on the TV or is it weird what do you mean we're on TV every day yes but I suppose when you're out and about and you see yourself on TV well last night actually really oh like this oh right You lined it up.

56:40Oh, yeah, yeah. Big star, Craig Merle. Oh, he's watching himself. Oh, my God. He's taking videos of himself. Oh, my God. Big doing yourself. That's not fair. I'll tell you why. Why? I told the wife I was in bed at half night. Oh, well done. I'm in trouble now. Oh, that's all right. As if she's watching this. I was tucked up with a cup of cocoa hot chocolate milk watching the TV. Sure, sure. I know what you've done is expose me. Well, there we go. Yeah. About time. Thank you very much, gentlemen. We will be back tomorrow. Brilliant day of football, of course. Brazil against Norway. Mexico against England.

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