Futbol Americas: Live from San Francisco During Super Bowl Week

12:39Maurico Pedroza:That was the Champions League final in 2018 in Ukraine. And it was amazing. I had the opportunity to see her.

12:46Cristina Alexander:And it was really fun. But look, NFL adapted their halftime to create the halftime show. The halftime during a regular season or playoff game lasts 12 minutes. but for the Super Bowl they said hey why don't we go and make it a 27 minute halftime so that we can have a show a full show not just a couple of songs in a presentation I'm not sure soccer our football is prepared to do that and what kind of pushback we will see from the traditionalists by saying hey I don't need a 25 minute halftime show just so we can have Ed Sheeran playing love the shape of view at Wembley Stadium. I don't think that that's not going to happen anytime soon.

13:33Cristina Alexander:They want to make it happen in the World Cup, and you'll see the pushback that Gianni Infantino is getting.

13:38Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, which he is already. But do you see that as a possibility that maybe they could start doing that for World Cup finals exclusively, Herc?

13:45Herc Gomez:Doing what?

13:46Maurico Pedroza:The halftime show. Like a proper halftime show?

13:50Herc Gomez:That's the business. That's what they want. Listen, they don't like the American way of doing things visually. They like the American way of doing things commercially. And that's the world we're heading into. Too sacred for what? Football has never been sacred. People talk about politics. It's often been political. They often talk about the purity of the game. It's anything but. So to say that it won't go down the road or down that route of being commercialized for their benefit, of course it will. because with the commercialization of these shows, halftime shows, pregame shows, whatever the case may be, you get the opportunity to give fans maybe something they want to see, maybe not something they want to see, but you get an opportunity to sell it.

14:36Herc Gomez:And that's all that these entities, leagues, and FIFA, these organizations, really want from you. It's your bottom dollar. Don't be fooled into thinking that it's the purity of the game and we want to give you a good spectacle on the field. No, there are more games because we want to sell it, because we want to commercialize it. And that's what it is.

14:53Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, absolutely. I will say, obviously, I said there was a big difference between the pushback in NFL versus FIFA in this case. But there have been conversations around maybe this halftime for NFL, for the Super Bowl is too long and how it impacts the players physically, mentally.

15:09Herc Gomez:We've had this discussion on the show before. Copa America, it was 30 minutes long. And listen, if you're a player trying to stay warm for 30 minutes, and could you imagine Messi right now? He's as old as he is trying to keep himself warm. it's not conducive for your health to go out there and perform at an optimal level, let alone in the sun, during the day, in the summer. I mean, we've already heard the excuses from – and some of them are pretty valid, let's be honest. Not everybody is used to playing inside this warm weather atmosphere or ambience, and some of these South American teams are.

15:41Herc Gomez:The rest of them, not so much. So asking them to stay warm 30 minutes in, that's a lot.

15:45Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, it definitely is a lot. But it would be very interesting if they start to kind of bring that in because we know we saw that in the Club World Cup, although there was a lot of pushback in that sense. But let's stick with the comparisons. Football versus football, which is perfect for this week here and the Super Bowl. Mau, I'm going to start with you. Better anthem moment. Champions League anthem or the U.S. anthem?

16:12Cristina Alexander:Super Bowl anthem. Champions League anthem can't really relate. Super Bowl anthem represents the country right and you've had players head coaches move all the way to tears because they feel something I Whitney Houston one of the most iconic moments in the history running back for the NFL yeah yes running back from the Denver Broncos got his name but even even coach Sirianni with the Eagles yeah crying his eyes out and that's that's clearly a more emotional moment and then you have the f-15s flying over the stadium i mean how how notion moreno thank you thank you thank you production thank you bet the notion moreno that's that's it's even a gif a meme right uh the one thing i'll say about the uh champion league anthem which by the way sometimes it's even booed by the fans when it's being when two italian teams are involved they have this thing at the end of the anthem when they go as loud as they can the champions that gets you going I can run through a wall after that but in terms of just emotion it's a national anthem this should have been a

17:29Herc Gomez:question for a pre-pod for the producer but are we talking the anthem moment like everything that entails are you talking anthem producer because I think there's two separate things. We're not going to debate the music. At the moment. You want to read the music?

17:46Cristina Alexander:Well, you know, G-Sharp in this anthem sounds way better with the horn. Because there are many people who think

17:54Herc Gomez:the Champions League anthem is like, oh, it's the Champions League anthem. It's the horn. And there are many people around the world who don't care for the anthem of the United States of America. I don't want to go down that route. So the best moment. Okay, here's the thing with the Champions League. Here's the thing with the Champions League. You could be anywhere in the world and all of a sudden, and people kind of perk up. I'm going to tell you, in my wedding, in my wedding before, it was the Champions League anthem at my wedding. It's an iconic moment for millions and millions of people around the world.

18:27Maurico Pedroza:Is that cliche to you?

18:28Cristina Alexander:You were lucky. You were lucky your wife went through the wedding after doing that. Did she approve it? Did she green light it? Her idea. Of course not.

18:38Herc Gomez:idea it was not if i would have met you back then you wouldn't have been involved here let's call

18:46Maurico Pedroza:let's call elsie so so this is what i'm trying to tell you that this anthem means something to

18:50Herc Gomez:people now worldwide i'm not trying to say the u.s anthem doesn't mean something of course it means something to us americans but this anthem means something to people worldwide but if we're talking in general the moment the flyovers as you've mentioned the the pre-pod the the the commercialization of everything, the spectacle that is an actual show, that is different.

19:10Maurico Pedroza:Yeah. Charlie Puth will be singing the national anthem.

19:13Herc Gomez:Yeah, he's good.

19:14Maurico Pedroza:Coco Jones will be singing as well. And Brandi Carlile singing America the Beautiful. Beautiful. Raise up your voice and sing is what Coco Jones will be singing. All right. Let's get to the better trophy. This is for aesthetic purposes, right? Champions League, La Orejona, or the Vince Lombardi. Kirk, I'm going to start with you.

19:37Herc Gomez:I like the Champions League trophy. I like those big trophies that look like a cup. Let's be honest. The Vince Lombardi trophy means something. Yes, it does. But it's not aesthetically pleasing. It's a football. It's a football being held up by a stick. La Orejona, this means something. And I don't want to demean the history because the NFL is one of the most successful leagues in the world in any sport. It's in my top three. It honestly is. It is something to behold. But the Champions League trophy is one of the most iconic trophies, and I would say all of sports.

20:11Cristina Alexander:This is a no contest. It's a Champions League trophy. First of all, whoever designed it, and again, as with the anthem, we're not going to go into the design, but the fact that it actually is made for you to lift it, that's number one. Number two, you can actually pour your drink of preference to celebrate after you win the Champions League. That also plays a big factor. So it's a no contest. Champion League trophy winning by a mile.

20:39Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, I agree. I agree. La Orejona is iconic. It's beautiful. Vince Lombardi, of course, means a lot. I'm glad you said because it helps the players lift the trophy because that leads me to my next question. A better trophy presentation, Mal, Champions League, or the Vince Lombardi?

20:56Cristina Alexander:Okay, so I'm going to be fast with this. It is now the Vince Lombardi. Boo! It used to be the Champion League presentation when the players had to go upstairs to the, you know, presidents, to whoever was, to Kings, and then lift the trophy. That part of the presentation was awesome. In the middle of the stands, within the fans.

21:22Herc Gomez:You want to hand it to the owner first of what you're saying.

21:24Cristina Alexander:The moment, hold on, I'm just saying overall experience. Overall experience.

21:29Herc Gomez:Look at Robert Kraft.

21:30Cristina Alexander:I don't like it. I don't like when they move the players out of the stands. But you'd rather give it to the owner. Now I have no problem with the owners. They pay their money. It's their team. I'm totally fine with them lifting the trophy. I have no issue with that.

21:43Herc Gomez:This is one of the worst things in American leagues is you reward the owner by giving it to the owner instead of the team captain or the team itself. It's one of the things I hate most about North American professional sports, the U.S. in general, and Canada. I think hockey, I believe, is the only league that won't give it to the owner. That's right. But the rest of the American sports, they give it to the owner. I do not want to see the owner pick up the trophy. They paid for it. I don't care. It's their team. No, no, no. The fans paid for it. Wait, this is the people's game. Give it to the players.

22:14Herc Gomez:It's not the people's game. Give it to the players.

22:16Cristina Alexander:This guy over here wants to give it to the owner. Yeah, I have no issue with that. Zero. I do. Zero. I was so happy when the Rooney family lifted the Vince Lombardi. I was so proud of them. Happy for them.

22:28Maurico Pedroza:First. Why do they have to do that first? Let's give it to the let's give it to the players first. Let's have a celebration.

22:33Cristina Alexander:They'll get their shot. They'll get their shot. It's one of the worst U.S. traditions. They'll get their shot. It really is. It's one of the worst U.S. traditions. No, I side with the owners on this one. Of course.

22:42Maurico Pedroza:They've earned it. I bet you do. They've earned it. Of course he does. Of course he does. All right. Let's get to this one. This one's really good. Better celebrity sightings at the Champions League or the Super Bowl now.

22:57Cristina Alexander:Yeah, I'm still yet to run into a celebrity during Champions League week. I've done it. And Super Bowl, it's everywhere. Everywhere you look, you'll see a celebrity. That's true. Not even close. The celebrities are the players during Champions League finals, during those days. Or ex-players. Or former players. Yeah, I mean, Will Ferrell? Yeah, okay, why not? He's an owner. You want to give him a trophy. You know? No, but no, it's, again, no question. That is the Super Bowl. How many celebrities did we see just today at Radio Row? Not even close. I saw Rich Davis and Covino the other day, the big celebrities, radio guys.

23:41Herc Gomez:I don't know the exact metrics of financially how difficult it is to get a Champions League ticket, but I can tell you it is extremely difficult to get a Super Bowl ticket. And the Super Bowl has become corporate. and the celebrities who go either have the means or are invited. And it literally is a who's who in the crowd. You're not seeing regular everyday people who are actual fans of the game in these Super Bowl events. You're seeing corporate. You are seeing those who can either afford it and it's very pricey or have been invited because of who they are. It's a who's who.

24:13Maurico Pedroza:But who has the better celebrity sightings in that sense? The Super Bowl is what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I remember last year I had Jon Hamm walk in front of me, Paul Rudd. I'm trying to think of what else I saw.

24:26Cristina Alexander:You took a picture with Jesse Pickman.

24:28Maurico Pedroza:Jay-Z, Blue Ivy. I mean, I was on the field too, so I was very close to the action. But, yeah, I mean, today, Radio Row as well. You see players from other teams who aren't playing in the Super Bowl. I said hi to Jordan Mailata, Trevor Lawrence walked by. So it's definitely very exciting.

24:45Herc Gomez:Aiden Hutchinson was right next to us.

24:46Cristina Alexander:But they're still the players. They're still players. So they're not celebrities. We cannot treat them as celebrities. Unless you are Jerry Rice. Unless you are, as you said, Emmitt Smith. I'm not considering Aiden Hutchinson a celebrity. By no means. GCG. I once partied with GCG. At a Super Bowl party.

25:08Maurico Pedroza:You almost partied?

25:10Cristina Alexander:No, I did party. I once partied. You were in the same building. Doesn't mean you partied. No, no. We shared the same table. Same friends. Same friends.

25:19Herc Gomez:Same friends.

25:19Cristina Alexander:What does that mean?

25:21Maurico Pedroza:All right. Friends are my friends. Speaking of parties, speaking of parties, this leads me to my next question. Who has the better post-game traditions? Soccer stars at finals or... Champions League is a parade?

25:34Cristina Alexander:Yeah. Oh, that's right. No. Oh, okay. Yeah, just at the game. In the stadium, you know what? I think I'm going to go Champions League. Here's why. There's something that the NFL and NFL teams, NFL players, don't do that Champions League winners always do, which is La Vuelta Olimpica. The whole team, the whole squad, with the managers, with the staff, they bring the trophy closer to the fans. They sing, we are the champions, my friends. They bring the trophy, they lift it, and they go, oh! Oh, in every single corner of the stadium. That's beautiful. On-field, Super Bowl celebration, not as cool as that.

26:22Herc Gomez:No, I think you're right. The one thing is the access that both entities will give to the fans or the networks post-game because if Champions League rolled back the curtain and did as many interviews with the players on the field or were as close to the players in AK on the field, I think fans would enjoy that more. But I agree with you because they actually do something. I'm trying to think of what the NFL does or Super Bowl does. No, no. You see them celebrating, and then you get to talk to them. But they're not really doing much. Not like Miles says where they're going to one corner, and then the players got the trophy, and everybody's huddled around them.

27:02Herc Gomez:It's like, oh, there's an actual tradition with that. Oh!

27:06Maurico Pedroza:I like that, too. I like the it's kind of the romantic moment, right? It's very intimate to be able to thank your fans almost personally after such a big moment, like winning the Champions League.

27:19Herc Gomez:And it invites the fans to stay.

27:20Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, yeah, exactly. And seeing the cutting of the net and just kind of really taking in the moment of what just happened, of winning a Champions League final. Super Bowl, it's also let's get to who's the MVP. Let's get to kind of all of these.

27:34Herc Gomez:I like the players wrapping themselves around their flags with a bunch of different flags. Yes, I love that too. There's pride. That's a great point.

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29:04Maurico Pedroza:They're the ones with the bear on the box.

29:10Maurico Pedroza:So Cristiano Ronaldo not only turns 41 today, but also continues to be on strike. He missed his second match with Al Nasser due to lack of activity in the January transfer window. Saudi Pro League said, quote, no individual, however significant, determines decisions beyond their own club. So this obviously kind of puts his future up in the air. And this isn't the first time that we've talked about a possible Cristiano Ronaldo move to MLS, what it would mean with Messi. But with this strike, Al Nasser gave him a subtle birthday message. The legend only grows. Your commitment, mentality, and leadership drive our dreams forward.

29:51Maurico Pedroza:Happy birthday, Cristiano.

29:53Herc Gomez:Hugs and kisses.

29:54Maurico Pedroza:So is this something, nothing, or everything, Mal, that he just misses?

30:01Cristina Alexander:It is something. It's not everything because I think in the end there's just so much money involved that they'll find a way to make Cristiano Ronaldo happy. But it is something because it does open the door to the possibility of Cristiano Ronaldo at least exploring other options. Let's not forget, it's not only about the money, it's not only about the disrespect he feels his club has received in the transfer window and not receiving the same support investment as other teams actually did. But these are the months leading up to a World Cup, his last World Cup. Cristiano Ronaldo is a starter for Portugal.

30:46Cristina Alexander:And it doesn't mean that he's going to leave his team right away like other players did. And this has happened in the last few weeks. Players leaving the Saudi league just to explore different options. So it is something I'm not prepared to say it is everything just because, again, too much money involved. They'll find a way to make it happen and to keep Cristiano Ronaldo happy.

31:10Herc Gomez:All right, let's give a little context on why this is everything. The PIF is the internal investment fund that funds for the biggest teams in Saudi Arabia. and Cristiano felt his team didn't do enough in the transfer window. They only reinforced themselves with an Iraqi international. Wow. The biggest team, biggest threat to his trophy chase, got Karim Benzema. Throws a fit. He's not happy. Sits out one game. Is not potentially sitting out another game. And we're supposed to be convinced, hey, it's okay. No, no, no, no, no. Things are not okay. And this is everything because if I am Major League Soccer right now, If I am Don Garber and the ownership groups that run Major League Soccer, I'm thinking to myself, what could we possibly do?

31:55Herc Gomez:Nothing. To make Cristiano Ronaldo versus Messi in Major League Soccer a thing? Could one of the Los Angeles teams offer Cristiano some sort of investment like they did with Messi? And can we have Cristiano versus Messi in our league? And what can Apple, this network, think of that? And how can they make this happen? This is everything. Right now, Cristiano Ronaldo is 41 years of age, and he still wants to continue playing. Why? Because he wants a record.

32:23Cristina Alexander:He wants to get to 1 ,000 goals.

32:24Herc Gomez:He wants to get to 1 ,000 goals. And World Cup. And the World Cup. Where is this World Cup? In North America. If I am Major League Soccer, if I am one of the powers that be, I am trying to do everything I can to make that relationship as unstable as possible and give Cristiano Ronaldo something to think about.

32:42Cristina Alexander:I think you're giving Major League Soccer a lot of credit here. No, no. I don't think they're capable.

32:49Maurico Pedroza:Doesn't Lionel Messi bring Major League Soccer?

32:50Cristina Alexander:It's a very different scenario. It's a very different conversation. Well, first of all, Cristiano Ronaldo makes over$250 million a year. Yeah. And they gave Messi a team.

33:02Herc Gomez:Cash. They gave Messi a team ownership. He makes that cash. They gave him subscription, and they gave him merchandising.

33:07Cristina Alexander:He makes that cash. Cristiano Ronaldo looks. 200 million a year. Cristiano Ronaldo grabs his phone, checks his account. He's like, oh, another$250 million this year. Major League Soccer is not capable of doing that. Nobody, no team in Major League Soccer right now has the tools to make that happen. I don't even think. Tom Garber. I don't give Tom Garber credit.

33:29Herc Gomez:What happens the day that Cristiano Ronaldo stops playing for his team in Saudi Arabia?

33:36Cristina Alexander:He stops making money. We do not know if that date is going to happen.

33:40Maurico Pedroza:We do not. Because anywhere he goes, Mel, it's going to be the same situation, right? They're not going to be able to match what he's making right now.

33:46Cristina Alexander:If Cristiano Ronaldo leaves his club, he's going to be fine. He's made enough money. He's going to be good. You're using money. He's going to be good. You're using money. Yeah, but he's going to come to Major League Soccer for pennies. He's not going to do that. And Major League Soccer right now does not have the structure, does not have the elements to bring a player like Cristiano to convince a player like Cristiano Ronaldo right now to leave Saudi to come and play for Major League Soccer. Do you think Cristiano Ronaldo is ready to move to Kansas City? Are you saying he's ready to move his family to Kansas City?

34:21Cristina Alexander:Are you nuts? He just moved to Saudi Arabia. That's how much I'm emphasizing my point.

34:29Maurico Pedroza:But my thing is that a lot of people were saying exactly the same thing as you with Lionel Messi and doubting Don Garber and MLS to make enough moves to bring it happen. Exactly. That's why to me, this isn't totally out of this world.

34:45Cristina Alexander:Again, you guys are giving Don Garber way too much credit. I give Inter Miami, I give Jorge Maas, I give David Beckham a lot of credit because they were chasing Lionel Messi for two years. It took Jorge Maas and David Beckham two years to convince Lionel Messi to finally make the jump. Do you feel like someone in Major League Soccer needs two weeks to convince Cristiano Ronaldo to leave Saudi to go play over here?

35:09Herc Gomez:It's not going to happen. I don't think somebody in Los Angeles needs anything besides Los Angeles and a bag of money, an opportunity to make more money in the future to entice a player who is not happy right now. And it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Major League Soccer to get two of the biggest players of not a generation, of the history of the game, to compete with each other again, the same way La Liga did. I don't care how old they are, This would draw eyeballs. This would be insane for Major League Soccer. And if I'm Cristiano Ronaldo, to live in Los Angeles, let's just put L.A. out there, and to rival Messi in a World Cup year and potentially get to your 1 ,000 goal, this is just, if I'm Major League Soccer, too great to ignore.

35:52Cristina Alexander:That's a different conversation. If I'm Major League Soccer, I am doing everything I have in my power to make that happen. Now, what I'm saying is I don't think they'll have that power. I don't think there's nobody in Major League Soccer that can make that happen right now. It took two years to convince Messi. You think they've only thought of this in the last two weeks? And he was just, Messi was ready to leave European football and have a new adventure in the last part of his career. Four years ago, they were working on Cristiano, and that was Kansas City. You know really well, four years ago, Cristiano Ronaldo, there was no way.

36:29Cristina Alexander:Cristiano Ronaldo could come and play in Major League Soccer. That's not true. When's the last time Cristiano Ronaldo played a soccer game in the U.S.? When was the last time? Hold on.

36:37Herc Gomez:What you're trying to do is not spread misinformation. He can work in the United States. I'm asking a question. I'm asking a question. When's the last time that happened? Now, it doesn't matter when the last time is. He can work in the United States. I think it matters. He can work in the United States. Yeah, he can. I don't think it matters.

36:49Maurico Pedroza:I don't think it matters the last time he played in the States.

36:52Cristina Alexander:Time is of the essence right now. They don't have that much time to work on a plan and make him go, you know what? I'm going to leave the$250 million I make a year just to see how it goes in Major League Soccer. And one final point. All right. I don't think he wants to compete against Lionel Messi in the same league.

37:09Maurico Pedroza:I highly doubt that. I don't think he wants to do that. He is one of the most competitive human beings that has ever existed. And a very smart person as well.

37:17Cristina Alexander:This league is committed to Lionel Messi. He knows what he's doing. Major League Soccer. You know what MLS stands for? Messi League Soccer. This league is committed to Messi. For now.

37:29Maurico Pedroza:He's not ready to challenge that. For now. All right, we have to move on. This is a fascinating conversation. Let's get to someone who is already on his way to MLS, or it seems like it. Minnesota United is finalizing a deal to sign James Rodriguez. Sources confirmed to our Jeff Carlisle. Rodriguez has been a free agent since December after parting ways with Liga MX side Leon. Rodriguez obviously looking for a team in hopes to make the World Cup. So with James Rodriguez, Kirk, is this a good deal for both sides?

38:02Herc Gomez:It's good for James, I guess. Listen, Minnesota United was atrocious last year in how they play football. It was anti-football. And now they're going for a guy like James Rodriguez, who doesn't quite have the same club reputation as he does national team representation. Excuse me, reputation. I don't know why they would go out for James. I don't know. The price might have been very right. It's the only way I could think of it because James doesn't exactly strike me as the guy who's going to give it his all for Minnesota United. And I don't know if Minnesota United is the ideal situation for James Rodriguez.

38:36Herc Gomez:What I do know is he wasn't wanted in Liga MX, at least for the price that he was offering.

38:43Maurico Pedroza:Right.

38:43Herc Gomez:It didn't go well with León. There were other entities around the world.

38:47Maurico Pedroza:It wasn't all bad with León, though. Am I crazy?

38:49Herc Gomez:The first five weeks, it was decent. It was very decent. It was very decent. And then it wasn't. And then it wasn't.

38:55Cristina Alexander:And he was a club World Cup hook. Which didn't transpire.

39:00Herc Gomez:Things went sour. The demands were also outlandish. Some of the things you would read on what he would demand for his contract. At his age right now, I don't think Minnesota is going to get the best version of Jaime Rodriguez. And I don't think Jaime Rodriguez is prepared for what Minnesota is. If it's the same thing. I know we have a different coach. I know it's Cameron Knowles. I know it's going to be a different coach there. Maybe a different mentality. He was the assistant coach to the last coach. So maybe it's not too far off, but that was anti-football, and I don't know if James is ready for that.

39:28Herc Gomez:I don't like this one bit. My spidey sense is telling me this is going to be a disaster. That's really what it's telling me. But it is a World Cup year, and James, if he does anything well, it's a national team.

39:39Cristina Alexander:I think this is James' way of saying how do I stay in shape, how do I stay in decent football form and help my team. James Rodriguez clearly became a national team player, and it's been a while since he was an influential club-level player. So reports state that if he actually signs, which apparently is very close from happening, he would not be a designated player. Yeah. So that speaks a lot of how much he would make, how much that would cost to the franchise. If that's the case, if I'm Minnesota, yeah, I'll take that swing. I'll take a shot on James Rodriguez. We'll see how it goes. and it will clearly be a short-term commitment, which in James' case is just, listen, I've got to be fit.

40:26Cristina Alexander:I've got to be ready for the World Cup, which lately is the only thing that matters to him, performing at the national team level. And he's done really well, by the way. He's been fantastic with Colombia.

40:36Herc Gomez:Just for really quickly, same player when he was in the Bundesliga that said I need to leave Germany because it was so cold going to Minnesota. Listen, it'll be summertime. He's going to be 35. I don't know how much he has in the tank, but he's got a very educated left foot. I don't know if he has many options, correct, at this point in his career.

40:53Maurico Pedroza:I think it is a beggars can't be choosers situation for James Rodriguez. Made for both. Made for both.

40:58Herc Gomez:Agreed.

40:59Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, but it could be a quid per quo. Help me help you.

41:02Herc Gomez:Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Wish him well.

41:05Maurico Pedroza:Here's someone who has already made his move. Jorge Sanchez making his way back to Europe. The Mexican international will join Pau Salonica of Greece after signing a deal through the 2029 season. He had been with Cruz Azul for the last year and a half where he had 65 games. Mau, thoughts?

41:25Cristina Alexander:I'm surprised. Good for him. Yeah. I remember spending a few days in Amsterdam a few years back and hearing from someone at the club how disappointed they were in Jorge Sanchez. And they had both. They had Edson Alvarez, who they loved, and they had Jorge Sanchez. and people inside the club were like, I have no idea how this guy made it all the way to Ajax. It was not the same Ajax that it is right now.

41:53Maurico Pedroza:Champions League semifinalist Ajax.

41:56Cristina Alexander:Not that far, but maybe a couple of years after that. So, if you're Jorge Sanchez, you take that opportunity every day of the week. You have a chance to go back and play in Europe, something that maybe he thought was no longer on his path. you take that opportunity so good for him he's going to play uh in the greek league which with orbelin pineda we've learned is not the highest quality of soccer but maybe he sees that as the opportunity to convince javier aguirre hey i'm playing in europe hey i have a european club interested in me and signed me to a long-term contract i am valuable i think this is maybe just a desperate, not a desperate way, because it's a good opportunity for him.

42:43Cristina Alexander:But this is his way of saying, I can still be a national team player. Not only that, a starter for the Mexican national team.

42:52Maurico Pedroza:Is this enough to do that, Herc?

42:55Herc Gomez:Workup case for what? To be a starter? Because no, I don't think it's enough. Listen, this move to Pauk is desperation. I think, yes. You think? Yeah, I think he's taking a pay cut to go there. He's going to make less than he made at Cruz Azul. And this is his way of showing Javier Aguirre like, hey, I want to prove myself at the highest of levels. Don't know if the Greek level is, but maybe it's Europa League. Maybe they get into a conference league, something like that. I think Israel Reyes will be the right back for the Mexican national team. But there's another player right now who's made waves at that right back position, and that's Richie Ledesma.

43:27Herc Gomez:And I think Richie Ledesma in the eyes of many fans and also some pundits because they're tired of seeing Jorge Sanchez, mistake-prone Jorge Sanchez, 28-year-old who still doesn't learn Jorge Sanchez, that they're willing to say if it's a backup role and let him fight with Israel Reyes, then yeah, give it to Richie Ledesma. I think he's in trouble. Does this boost his World Cup case? I don't think so.

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46:02Maurico Pedroza:All right, let's take it to a little Conca Champions action. We're still calling it that. Apparently I am. Let's take it to San Diego now facing Pumas in the first minutes.

46:18Herc Gomez:It's a golazo. It is a golazo. And it's as good as this will get. Carrasquilla with the brilliant ball. Morales with the little scissor kick, bicycle overhead kick, if you will. Goes through traffic. That's pretty. Cisnega has no chance at this. What a golazo.

46:34Maurico Pedroza:How about this? In the 68th minute to tie it up, San Diego with the header. And it is, of course, Anders Dyers crossing it in and Manu Duas for the 1-1, Mau.

46:45Cristina Alexander:Yeah, and then Pumas collapsed. Completely collapsed. Efren Juarez said everything was going according to plan for 70 minutes. Well, this was clearly not a part of the plan. It was just surprising to see how weak Pumas became in the last 20 minutes of the game. You know who was fast in this game?

47:01Herc Gomez:The guy who puts the trigger, pulls the trigger when the ball goes in the back of the net for the fire. Look at that!

47:05Maurico Pedroza:Yes! Yes! That is commitment. That is literally the definition of you had one job and this person executed it perfectly. Keep that person a race! But I mean, San Diego was just relentless. It's 3-1, and why not make it 4-1 with Luca Bombino?

47:20Herc Gomez:Bombino. All the U23 kids are out scoring goals. Bombino, who's not an offensive player, on the back. I'm going to get in here as well. What is Pumas doing? As Efraim, Juarez said, at least we got the away goal.

47:34Maurico Pedroza:And he also said we were – I think he said that they were perfect.

47:38Cristina Alexander:No, he said everything was – yeah, he was going – everything was going according to plan. That's what he said. Now, did he have a plan for the last part of the game, the last 25 minutes of the game? And in all seriousness, as a man, and I've defended Efraín Juárez. This is inexcusable. Inexcusable. You can't lose a game playing away at San Diego, one of the best teams in Major League Soccer in 2025. That can happen. But the lack of spirit that this team showed after conceding the first goal. the lack of response. Pumas, the one thing they have to their favor is what they call la garra, the passion.

48:24Cristina Alexander:Where is it? And this is Efraín Juárez who knows Pumas, the institution, the franchise, head to toe. This cannot happen. And this is a reflection on Efraín Juárez. They gave him another shot. Pumas thought of maybe relieving him of his duties, as they say. But they stuck with Efrain Alvarez, and this is just an embarrassing outing for a team that's supposed to be fight, spirit, and courage.

48:52Herc Gomez:You know what the biggest headline of this game was? It's not that Pumas lost 4-1. Because I've seen him lose to Major League Soccer teams in Major League Soccer's home to a scoreline like this. New England Revs, the year that they made it to the final, lost to Seattle Sounders. New England Revs at home just trashed them. Another story at Seul with the altitude. Another story in Seul in their home field with the smog, with the field, with the team. Different story. It's that Chucky Lozano in this game was nowhere to be found. And here we are, four months and some change out of a World Cup. And Chucky Lozano in the eyes of many.

49:29Herc Gomez:And Javier Aguirre, who was at the game, seems to be choosing the money. the$7.6 million over the chance of his third World Cup, over the chance of playing and being an important player for Javier Aguirre. He's nowhere to be found here. And guess what? San Diego doesn't miss a beat. They are actually better without Chucky Lozano, and they are showing him to his face, hey, choose what you want, but we're better without you.

49:51Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, I mean, I think they show that in the postseason. Let's take a look at Javier Aguirre here at the game. Obviously, his due diligence, right, as head of the World Cup, Mal. but I mean, it speaks volumes, right? No Chucky, no problem. Is Javier Aguirre thinking the same for the World Cup?

50:07Cristina Alexander:Oh, 100%. And I don't know if he had a conversation with Chucky Lozano in person or on Zoom, on the phone. I might regret this, although I regret very few things in my life, but if I'm Chucky Lozano, I'm doing exactly that. I'm taking the money. at his age, everything that has happened with his career, was he going to be a difference maker with the national team? Was he going to be a starter with the national team?

50:40Herc Gomez:Nobody really is for the Mexican Nationals.

50:40Cristina Alexander:I think there was a bigger chance that he was going to be booed, questioned by the fans with the national team than else. So if I'm Chucky Lozano, hell yeah, I'm taking the money. They owe me$7 million. He's well within his right. Hey, there's a contract signed. If you don't want to use me, I'm used to going to pay me.

50:59Herc Gomez:I have nobody to judge you. But San Diego's got you by the scruff here. San Diego has you in a situation and position. Where else is he going to make that money? I've never seen this amount. Mexico. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. Who's paying that? No, I don't think he'll make half of that. I've never seen this situation, Chris, in North American football where the highest paid player in an organization is asked to go away. where they, we will give you your money, just go away. We don't want you here. I've never seen that in my time covering Major League Soccer, Liga Américas, whatever you want.

51:35Herc Gomez:I've never seen that. And Chucky Lozano, I can't for the life of him think it's one event, that it was a halftime where he got pulled and he had an altercation with the coach and maybe another player. I can't think that's what did it. This has to be an accumulation of events where they're just like, hey, this is too much of a headache. We don't need you here. The team, the organization is better without you. And that's sad because there's been a long list of things that Chucky Lozano has been followed by. His reputation, if you will. And this seems to be the last straw.

52:07Maurico Pedroza:It seems to be a pattern. And now it's definitely biting him in the butt.

52:14Cristina Alexander:It's a$7 million bite.

52:16Maurico Pedroza:Yeah.

52:17Cristina Alexander:0.6. I'll take it.

52:18Maurico Pedroza:Maybe the other example that comes to mind is actually here for Super Bowl week. I think it would make sense at the NFL level with Deshaun Watson, and we know that contract situation with the Browns.

52:28Cristina Alexander:Different context. Different context, but different context.

52:34Maurico Pedroza:You could have said A.J.

52:35Herc Gomez:Brown.

52:35Maurico Pedroza:All right, let's go to Cruz Azul. Let's take it to Vancouver hosting Cruz Azul, 22nd minute. Jose Paradella finding the ball in the back of the net.

52:47Herc Gomez:It's a good goal, good little rebound right there. Yes, it's not an easy goal. It's a well taken goal. It's not as easy as you would think off the trip and in.

52:55Maurico Pedroza:22 minutes later for Cruz Azul, Amaury Morales gets first to the ball and says, thank you for that, Mau.

53:05Cristina Alexander:Yeah, Amaury Morales playing on that right-hand side has been very, very efficient. I'm very happy that he's now getting the minutes that he deserves. He's a really good, huh? He tore his ACL. He did, and he was playing very well before the injury.

53:19Maurico Pedroza:And the 3-0 perk from Palabecino.

53:23Herc Gomez:Yeah, it's a very good, well-taken goal. Listen, sometimes these games on turf, away from home, not easy to play in.

53:29Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, definitely not. And they knew how to handle it, especially after that game. All right, let's take it to what we saw from Monterrey facing Xelahu. Xelahu on the attack. Xelahu. Xelahu. And they're up 1-0.

53:48Herc Gomez:1-0 against the mighty Rayados.

53:51Maurico Pedroza:That was quite the hit to put it in the back of the net. But, hey, here are your mighty Rayados with this one, Tecate, with the streamer mouth.

54:01Cristina Alexander:Man, what a goal. Now, Rayados clearly, clearly absorbed the punch of not having Germán Bertram any longer. They created a lot of chances. They were the better team. Just couldn't put it in the back of the net until the last minute with this golazo. by Tecatito Corona.

54:19Maurico Pedroza:It really was a golazo, but splitting points at the end of the day. Not the best news there for Monterrey. But let's talk about Tecatito, and we know obviously everything surrounding, what every important moment means for any player at this point so close to the World Cup. What is Javier Aguirre thinking about Tecatito at this moment?

54:38Cristina Alexander:I think he's in the outside looking in. And it all depends on how well Alexis Vega is going to recover from surgery. If he recovers well, then Alexis Vega is going to be the starter in that spot for the Mexican national team in the World Cup. Now, where's the other competition? Will Julián Quiñones be a part of the conversation? We do not know. We believe that Javier Aguirre doesn't really like him, even though he just cannot stop scoring. But if I am Tecatito Corona, I definitely believe that if I keep performing at this level, At least, at least, Javier Aguirre has to take a look at him and wonder, hey, can this guy maybe give me 15 minutes, 20 minutes, if a game is tight and I need someone to become a game changer?

55:22No.

55:23Herc Gomez:You want me to be brief? I thought you said no chance. No. He's 33 years old. I don't think there's anything that Catillo can do that wouldn't be influenced by other players. I think other players have to go down. I see a long list in front of him. He plays for your team. you get to see him week in week out is this a player you think you could rely on yeah that's

55:42Maurico Pedroza:definitely a great question and we'll have to see because we know what the catito corona is capable of and we know what he has done so far for rails especially in this moment but as we know every single moment will count for them all right we're going to keep things rolling here with the conca cap champions cup let's take it now to what we saw between olimpia hosting club america Herc this morning did not want to talk about America. Well, guess what, Hercules Gomez? We're going to talk about them right now with America trying to lead early on here in the 45th minute. A little scramble in the box, and it's 1-0.

56:20Herc Gomez:That's a good little finish. Scramble in the box, quickest to it. Davila, who doesn't get a lot of goals for Hercules. America found this one, struck it right. Thought he was gone.

56:29Cristina Alexander:I thought he was gone, too.

56:30Herc Gomez:How about this?

56:32Cristina Alexander:49th minute, though. Mau, how about that? Great score. Great shot by Alvarez. Look at the celebration. Nothing Angel Malagón could do to stop that. Maybe. Nothing. I said nothing.

56:43Herc Gomez:Maybe he was a little taller.

56:44Cristina Alexander:No way.

56:45Maurico Pedroza:I wish I was a little bit taller. All right, let's get to the 67th minute for the 2-1 Herc.

56:52Herc Gomez:No San Maximum. Now Rodriguez gets to play in his position, and he's a difference maker. And Juarez finds a rebound after a well-taken shot in the traffic. 2-1. Al rescate.

57:02Maurico Pedroza:2-1 indeed. You see what it means to Jardine. Here's the upcoming schedule for the CONCACAF Champions Cup here. Still the first round, but the second leg. We'll have to see how Pumas responds to that game against San Diego. Tigres also in action. Monterrey Club America and Cruz Azul starting on Tuesday. But this is five days a week. I am, of course, talking about Ahora o Nunca with a special edition Sunday, 12 a.m. Eastern on ESPN Deportes, of course, with all of the best reactions from Super Bowl 60. I like things my way, my coffee, my schedule, and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self-injecting with the Vivgard Hytrulo Pre-Filled Syringe, which contains F-Gartigamide Alpha and Hyaluronidase QVFC.

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58:49Maurico Pedroza:All right, more action today, but now from the Copa del Rey Alavés. hosting Real Sociedad of Pelegrino Matarazzo. And they responded pretty much right away in the eighth minute there, Herc.

59:03Herc Gomez:That's a good, well-taken goal. They're up 1-0 very early on.

59:06Maurico Pedroza:Abde Rebach there with the 1-0. The response, though, in the 15th minute there from Alaves, finding Miker Ollarzabal for the 1-1. but it was getting a little bit turbulence here, Mal.

59:24Cristina Alexander:That's a penalty. That is absolutely a penalty. Alaves was leading 2-1. Really, really intense first half. But hey, what Pelegrino Matarazzo has been done with Real Sociedad has been amazing. And look at the way, look at their buildup. It's amazing. This was a really good chance for Alaves. No foul, of course. No penalty. Little tug of the jersey. A little. Very discreet, very decent. They were going to check, and then they say Pique. But it's saved. Portero! Ramiro.

59:55Herc Gomez:National team goalkeeper, huh? He's got something for John Garcia. He's telling them, hey, not so fast. You're not jumping me here. And then it's going to be Sociedad. It's going to take over a well-taken strike. Gonzalo Geras.

1:00:07Maurico Pedroza:Yep. Great play there by Torrentes as well. A fast break here now for Sociedad. Oscars on waiting for the 3-2 Herc

1:00:19Herc Gomez:Oscars on 3-2 Pellegrino Matarazzo has found the fight with Sociedad look at that

1:00:26Maurico Pedroza:so after what we saw today here are the final four teams we don't know the matchups yet it's Barcelona Atletico de Madrid and Real Sociedad looking forward to that as well with the semifinals to be played in February and in March. But I, of course, mention Matarazzo being now, not only with the good start that he's had with Real Sociedad, the start for him because Real Sociedad, more than halfway now through the season. I mean, you were celebrating this not too long ago after what we saw from Real Sociedad. Matarazzo showing yet again why he's here.

1:01:03Herc Gomez:And Mal's heard me talk about Pellegrino Matarazzo enough. He is a coach that came as a bombero. He is used to having teams where he's got to fight relegation. And I actually said when he took a team, this isn't a relegation battling team. They were in relegation problems early on. But this roster is better than being a relegation fighting team. And I think he's probably had the best roster he's ever had in his coaching career. And he's making them play attractive football. Now that's seven games in charge. Undefeated. Five wins. This team, the Sociedad team, the draw is going to be very important.

1:01:35Herc Gomez:You want to avoid. You want to avoid a Barcelona. You want to avoid Atlético de Madrid. But you've got a puncher's chance. No, more than a puncher's chance of making waves in El Copa de Rey and beyond. Pelegrino Matarazzo, friend of the program. Friend of the program. Been out here multiple times. He's probably the coach who's been on Football Americas the most. Has an opportunity now to coach a team in a quality league and do some damage. Oh, we are. Something special with him in March, producer Beto says.

1:02:05Maurico Pedroza:Yeah.

1:02:05Herc Gomez:Couldn't wait. Can't wait.

1:02:06Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, because I was going to say, I haven't had the privilege of talking to Pellegrino Matarazzo, so very much looking forward to that. Mal?

1:02:14Cristina Alexander:This is a manager that beat Barcelona.

1:02:17Maurico Pedroza:Yes.

1:02:17Cristina Alexander:This very same version of Barcelona, celebrated by everybody. Pellegrino Matarazzo beat this Barcelona at the start of the year. Correct. He knows what he's doing. I think he has done a lot with the roster that he has. It is a good roster for La Liga levels, I agree, but they're still missing a lot of injured players. The fact that they got Oyarzabal back, massive, huge. Alex Ramin, the goalkeeper, the moment he heard the Joan Garcia rumors, he elevated his level, and there's a reason why he's a national team player. Bryce Mendez, same thing. But I feel, and I cover the league week in and week out, there's a different fight with Real Sociedad because they've always had this style of playing that's very attractive to the fans.

1:03:09Cristina Alexander:But when they were making Champions League positions, it's because of the intensity that they showed every game. Nobody, nobody creates this high pressure on the opponents like Real Sociedad. And they have that back. They have that fight again. And it's all because of Pellegrino Matarazzo has been able to connect with the players. And he's just made the right decisions in terms of strategy and lineups.

1:03:36Herc Gomez:Aguasil was a head coach, and he had started a very good base. And Pellegrino's just smart enough to continue that. This is a very good roster. He's a very good coach. I'm glad he's getting his due because most Americans, a coach who, New Jersey, born and bred American, is now at that level where they're finally saying, oh, this is Pellegrino. They're getting to see him a lot more, and that's a good thing.

1:03:58Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, absolutely, especially at this point. and the competition and the potential rivals that he will have here in the semifinal of the Copa del Rey. We kept our eye on him. We kept our eye, obviously, on two players. It's time to run it back because, Mau, Obed Vargas played 11 minutes in Atlético de Madrid's way big triumph against Real Madrid.

1:04:19Cristina Alexander:So, number one, he made his dream come true, playing for Atlético de Madrid. Number two, it says a lot about Obed Vargas that after just two training sessions, El Cholo Simeone was confident enough to give it minutes. Yes, Atlético de Madrid was leading 5-0. Fair. But still, this is a good scenario for him to make his first minutes with Atlético de Madrid.

1:04:42Maurico Pedroza:And on the other side, Herc, we saw Álvaro Fidalgo also make his debut for Real Betis. He played 45 minutes.

1:04:48Herc Gomez:Yeah, look, they took a pounding. No two ways about it. But he comes on, minute 45, second half, and he was one of the better players for Real Betis. I repeat, they took a pounding. I understand. But given that, Fidalgo did very good things in this game.

1:05:01Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, absolutely. Very good things to come up this weekend because we have La Liga action. As always, Barcelona facing Mallorca Saturday, 10.15 a.m. Eastern. Coverage beginning at 9.45 a.m. Eastern on ESPN Plus. And of course, streaming live on the ESPN app.

1:05:19Maurico Pedroza:All right, in case you missed it, don't worry. We got you. We're going to take it to the Brazilian Super Cup final. There was a lot of VAR delay, and of course that sparked a lot of controversy. Basically, in the final moments of the first, Afcarazcal struck Breno Bidon with an elbow. That's a great name, by the way. It definitely is. All right, Corinthians players demanded a review. The rep didn't review the play before the halftime. What's so blue? Leading players and officials to believe that the incident was overlooked, which clearly it was.

1:05:52Cristina Alexander:It was. It was. There is a ruling, and to me it should be enforced. If the referee whistles the end of a half or the end of a game, I'm sorry, there is no VAR review. That's it. Whatever the final on-field decision was, it's going to stay like that. We've seen this. It's getting out of hand all the time they say with VAR.

1:06:15Herc Gomez:We've seen precedent for this before. In the Olympics, do not forget Argentina versus Morocco. It was actually the game ended. They went back and then reviewed something. It was a goal, called back. This is the thing here is there needs to be a statute of limitations. There needs to be a clear rule of how far the game can continue or not, and then it's final. Because I agree with Mao here. What's going on? You okay? He's mad. I agree with Mao here. You just can't 20 minutes later say, hey, we found new footage, new evidence. So this has to come back.

1:06:48Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, because what we've usually seen is that this incident would maybe be reviewed until after the game and then would go to the disciplinary.

1:06:56Cristina Alexander:Retroactive suspension. Yeah, exactly. To me, there's got to be a ruling. 90 seconds to go watch on the monitor. You cannot come with a decision. Then the on-field decision stays as it is and stop. This is getting crazy with VAR reviews.

1:07:11Maurico Pedroza:Yeah, I completely agree. Maybe they could adapt a little bit of what the NFL is doing if we want to bring it back to the Super Bowl conversation, because we will be here all week long. All week long. It's Thursday. We will be here for a few more days in San Francisco, having a good time. And, of course, Super Bowl Sunday from Santa Clara. We will be back on Monday because Javier Hernandez could be making his way to Wrexham. So we will break it all down. We will see you then. Thanks for hanging out with us. As always, all Football Americas from San Francisco. Good night.

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