Gab and Juls: Man City triumph over Arsenal in League Cup final

28:05No, of course not. Now, Bayern thrashed Union Berlin 4-0. Gab, were they good? I thought they were good, and they were different. Look, you can say it's Union Berlin, but it's still sure. Then Union Berlin will still go and park the bus and make it difficult and be physical for you. They did this without five starters, right? Neuer, Alphonso Davies, Jermain Musiala, Jonathan Ta, and Luiz Sias. And Nico Jackson also out. They went more direct. They showed that they can beat you in different ways. They put up silly XG numbers. Great goals as well, weren't they? Scored some great goals. I think the fact that they're multifunctional, if that's the word in this context, I think it stands them in really, really good side.

28:49Barcelona stay four points clear in La Liga as they beat Rayo Vallecano 1-0 with a goal from, of all people, Ronald Araujo. But Robbo, this is nervy. And again, St. Juan Garcia saved their backsides. Without doubt, Barcelona are the best attacking side in world football at the moment. They create chances for fun. They didn't do it against Rai Vaicano. They were slightly off the pace. The good players, Jamal, was okay. Rafinha had a really poor first half. Didn't really get going. At least he had two chances, which is true more than most of his teammates. mean lopez was making runs but the ball didn't come levandowski probably touched the ball about six times so they didn't play particularly well and it was a warm day they had a champions league game against newcastle they looked jaded both physically and mentally and they were lucky to get away with it because jean garcia made three or four very good saves yeah i i made this point um they're ready for an international break clear their minds and figure things out the rest of the season now Juventus are held at home by a Sassuolo 1-1 and Locatelli misses a penalty they're in serious danger missing out on the Champions League places they are they're fifth or three points behind Como I was happy when Locatelli had his penalty saved because should have never been a penalty one of the most absurd decisions wasn't a good penalty either was it was a terrible penalty not as bad as Brian Diaz in the AFCON final but not that far off so what I think is remarkable here is I think look, first of all, Sassuolo are not a bad side.

30:20They've done their midday. Well, they're playing freely. They've got some interesting players. To me, what's about volume is Arik Milik. Remember him? Who you haven't seen play in like two years? He came on as a substitute. Dusan Vlaovic came on as a substitute. This is after he decided to play without a centre-forward. He sends these two guys on. You know who he does not send on? There's two big summer signings, Lois Apenda and Jonathan David. I mean, this can be like totally underscores. I'd rather play the two old free agents who haven't played in years than the two bright young sparks. That for me is a concern.

31:00Now they can go and marinate in this for three weeks and figure it out. I don't think Juve were that bad. They create a lot of chances, didn't they? They create chances, yeah. Chico Conceição, I thought, played really well. But they need to... they obviously need to convert the chances and they need to most of all not freak out and not sit there and stew for two weeks about their striker situation and what happens and should we give Spalletti a new contract now? Just go and focus, grind out the results and see where you are at the end of the season. Now let's rewind to Friday. Manchester United held 2-2 at Bournemouth but Michael Carrick says he's baffled by the penalty denied in Madiallo.

31:36Multiple outlets say the club will send a formal written complaint to the PGMOL. That's going to do a lot of good, isn't it? Well, in case Howard Webb runs out of toilet paper. I mean, to be honest, whether it was a penalty or not, they've got a lot of time to defend the ball. It goes all the way up the other end. It was a penalty. It was a penalty. It was a penalty 100%. It was a back-off. He got pushed over. And the referee didn't give it. The VAR didn't give it. But you've got to get on with it. That's football. And Manchester United did some good stuff. And then they had, obviously, Harry Maguire sent off his shove.

32:10That was a penalty, too. Yeah, it was a penalty. And it was a sending off because he stopped a deliberate or a goal scoring opportunity. So everything deliberately did that. So I think they've got no complaints. This thing about writing, writing a formal written complaint, it is absolutely no good. Because look, Howard Webb either believes that the decision was correct, in which case he's going to laugh at you. Or he believes the decision is wrong, in which case he's going to go and shout at Pauce and Atwell. And send you an apology. Sorry. He's not going to apologize. He shouldn't apologize. The guys did their best.

32:38They weren't good enough. That's it. And, you know, I don't like this stuff because does it mean that they need to take more care next time penalty? United have the penalty? The only reason clubs do it, Real Madrid do it all the time. Well, yeah, I don't think that's a good example to follow. No, but they do it for a reason that they might get the next decision going their way, which is wrong. Joe Fernandes scores PSG's 100th goal of the season in all competitions as they win 4-0 at Nice. Good performance. They made it look easy, didn't they? Yeah, it got even easier because Nis had a guy sent off early in the second half and Nis just aren't particularly good.

33:11It's like they've won once at home in like the last three months. But yeah, Drell Fernandes looks really, really, really good. Never saw the best of him at Barcelona. He's 18 years old. Give him time. Give him time. He was one of the ones I didn't expect to go, but he's done well. Now, I guess a battling performance against Atletico Madrid might have been a blip after all because Tottenham Hotspur are awful as they get thrashed at home by Nottingham Forest? Well, they started with lots of enthusiasm at the beginning of the game. They played with energy, which they haven't always done. But once they went 1-0 down, you could see they had a real problem and there was too many spaces between their players.

33:48It was too easy for Nottingham Forest to counter-attack. It was too easy for Nottingham Forest at times to keep the ball. But why? Why? Why is all the positivity suddenly gone? Because the players are so short on confidence, so short on belief. But shouldn't Liverpool, the second half against Liverpool and Liverpool and Liverpool have built it up? Well, maybe because Liverpool's performance wasn't a particularly good one in the second half. And Atletico Madrid came to try and not lose the game and didn't play physically well. So, yeah, they had problems. Spurs are in trouble. Would you sack Tudor?

34:18Would I sack him? Probably now, yes, I would. Now, Milan beat Torino 3-2 to move back within six points of Inter. Gabby, you're often critical of Max Allegri, but he turned things around at half-time, didn't he? He did. He just won one at half-time. Was that difficult for you to say there? Well, look, he did something positive. He just like, you know what? Let me take off one of my centre-backs. Let's go to, let's put in a winger like Atacama. Let's commit people forward. Let's try to actually win this game with passing and movement. I've got Modric and Rambio. Let's let them do their thing. And it worked.

34:53And they went 3-1 up and they looked a lot better. I think this is the way you have to play. This whole like defend and counter and then some margins, it just doesn't work anymore. Not if you're a top team, it doesn't. huge win for Aston Villa against your former club one of your former clubs West Ham United Robbo that six point lead over sixth place looks pretty impressive to me right now fair to say that their rough spot is over? Yeah there was a little spell in the second half where West Ham looked as if they might get back in the game but overall Aston Villa deserved it and I thought they played with more penetration than they have in recent weeks they didn't keep the ball at the back and the centre midfield players stand on it and go back to the centre half they tried to play with more intensity and it worked for them and there was a lot of forward movement, a lot of forward passes, and they deserve to win the game.

35:36So, yes, I think they're back on track. It helps to have John McGinn fit and firing up. And a good goal he scored as well from the set play. Now, Borussia Dortmund come from two goals down to beat Hamburg 3-2 with a little help from Ben Sabahini's penalties. Gab, they didn't crumble this time, did they? They did not. They crumpled in the first half going two goals down. Some really poor defending. I feel bad because the guy who was starting in the place of Ben Sabaini is a young, promising Italian, Reggiani, and he was not good. Oh, dear. Two goals down, and how often have we seen them fold and wilt away?

36:15And look, you wouldn't blame them, right? Because they're in that position where they're kind of like in an Atletico Madrid role, except they don't have the Champions League. They're second. They're not going to catch Bayern. Nobody's going to – they're not going to drop out of the top four. They know where they are. What do you do? how do you motivate people for the rest of the season? I'll tell you who was motivated. Rami Ben-Sabini, who everybody made fun of him because he had the worst game in the history of football against Atalanta in the Champions League. He comes back and, you know, Cooley slots away two penalties.

36:45But more importantly, Dortmund, I thought were really impressive in the second half. Their total XG was 6.62, which seems absurd. And it's nice that they can get a reaction. But what I did not like, actually, I want to get to, we're going to do a little detour here. I want to get to footballer's code judgments or rulings from you. One, on this game, it's the fifth minute of injury time in the second half. It's 3-2. The board has gone up saying that there's going to be five minutes. So literally, the whistle's going to go from one second to the other. Niko Kovac decides that he's going to send on Julian Brandt.

37:24Bit of a backstory here. Julian Brandt, he's going to walk as a free agent in a couple months. Hasn't had the best of time since Kovac had to write to the club, certainly not this season. Would you feel humiliated if you were the guy, you meet your 300th appearance at the club, you've been a club legend, and they send you on in those circumstances? The only thing that would back it up and you think, oh, I might want to go on is if he's got an appearance money. Exactly. That's the only way. because as an experienced player you wouldn't want to go on just to run down the clock that's embarrassing other thing which we didn't bring up before but bedway hacking down ryan jerky when john jerky starts juggling the ball where do you stand on that well arsenal got history of doing that haven't they over the years i remember when there was an fa cup tie and uh nanny did it and arson and uh flamini went into the back of him i think he might have got sent off right he booted the back and arsene wenger said it was he was disrespectful to the game nanny okay i don't i know what our wenger how wenger felt at the time what does robo think uh is it disrespectful no the player can do what he's want you're there winning the game they can do what they want you know you don't want them you might want to go but you can't defend the player who goes and kicks him really no that's interesting you might defend him in because i thought you'd be more old school about this I didn't like when when play but I didn't like when some players do it yeah and I'm not sure that was the case on I'm not sure that was the case but you can't say as a manager in the press conference you know he's the problem the Cherky flicking the ball up and I understand why he was kicked you might say in the dressing room but not to the press be my my way of thinking about things.

39:08Sunderland making a double over Newcastle United this season, beating them 2-1 at St. James Park. Robbo, the knives are out for Eddie Howe and I'm not sure how fair that is. I'm not an Eddie Howe fan and I especially don't like his assistant. Oh no, nobody really likes him, do they? That's a shame. I'm sure he's a nice person in real life, but he just looks like somebody who would be not nice. And I'm blanking on his name. yeah and uh tindall isn't it yes jason tindall jason tindall anyway um well newcastle i've seen over recent weeks and when they've started games quite well the man city in the fa cup they did quite well for against barcelona in the first half they were on top in this game against sunderland something happens in the second half where they lose control again and it all goes completely pear-shaped and they can't get it back they look like a team that are ragged and that's when you start looking at the manager to say what's he doing to get things organized how's he how's he restructuring the team is he going to make substitutions is he going to organize one or two things on the pitch and that seems to be the thing that he's struggled to do in recent games and that's why he's coming under pressure because over the course of the time he's been at Newcastle he's done a fairly decent job yeah I I feel like I want to give him so look I think we can point to mistakes he's made.

40:31But I think we also need to remember that this is not a very deep squad. They've had injuries. And he's also tended to, they've had the Champions League, and he's tended to play the same guys in every game. Which obviously, I mean, I think that might explain why they kind of fall off a cliff in the second half. Because I think some of these guys just really are genuinely tired. Should Howe have managed it better? Probably. Equally, let's not forget what happened in the summer with the ISAC situation and the WESA situation and the fact that he's got to go through the summer without a director of football and without a chief executive.

41:06And it's like him and the finance director making all the decisions until the transfer window closes. I think that just kind of set them off on a path where they were never going to achieve what they achieved last season. In today's world, planning ahead isn't always top of mind, but not having life insurance can leave families facing difficult financial uncertainty during already emotional times. In many cases, loved ones are left managing expenses, debts, or long-term obligations without a clear plan in place. Life insurance is one of those ways to help provide financial security and support when it's needed most.

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43:00Scott McTominay scored the only goal as Napoli went away to Cagliari. They're now seven points back, and more importantly, they've got their injured guys back. Does Antonio Conte have one more miracle in him? Surely not. Just the one? I thought they played really well against Galliardy. And I think one of the big differences here was they scored early with McTominay. And in the past, we might have seen them when Conte was insecure and unhappy and freaked out. Like, you know, they would sit back, try to hit on the counter. And, you know, they would concede and suffer to the end. And he'd talk about working and blah, blah, blah.

43:32And, you know, usual stuff he says. No, no. This time they kept attacking. Galliardy had not a bad side, especially at home. And that's encouraging. De Bruyne is back. Andre Frank Zambon-Ghies is back. Di Lorenzo will be back after the international break. Romelu Lukaku, not involved. He's had a setback, but he's going to be back in the mix. I think all of a sudden, you add legit players. Are they legit enough to make up seven points? I think this next game after the break, they host Milan at the Maradona. I think if it's a draw, Inter are going to laugh all the way to the bank. But whichever one of these two teams wins, I think we'll have a shot to go and really put pressure on Inter.

44:13And I think Napoli actually are better equipped than Milan. You like Conti more than Allegri, don't you? That's what it is. That's what it is, Gab. I know it would be more fun to hang out with. Robbo, an ethical question for you. You get all the ethical questions. I gave you the Footballer's Code one before, right, about Brandt and Ryan Scherke. Here's another one. And this involves your old pal Davey Moyes. Obviously, as we know, Chelsea escaped a points penalty from the Premier League last week for making more than£40 million in illegal payments to agents and allegedly former sporting director Frank Arneson.

44:50Now, we're waiting on what the... By the way, this stuff here is not in dispute. This stuff is... We know it's true because Chelsea self-reported. Chelsea's new owner says, Oh, look, this is what the guys before us did, which is bad and wrong and against the rules, right? we're waiting what the FA does but the impression is that because this was under previous ownership and they self-reported as I mentioned they're going to avoid a sporting sanction no points penalty David Moyes thinks it's unfair do you well it's unfair if other clubs have been docked points because they've done something that's illegal but it's also unfair on these new owners if they get fined for something that somebody else does but surely when you take over a club or any sort of business if you you have to do your due diligence that's what they did but obviously they didn't do it very well did they no no they did they did it really well actually because when they paid um so the price was 2.5 billion look i i've been critical to boli but and in bali but in this occasion they were very smart when they did the due diligence i said whoa there's a whole bunch of stuff here which doesn't add up i think they also had people telling them like hey you need to some some stuff was paid so we're going to hold back 100 million to set it aside to pay for potential fines from uefa or the premier league because we think that when we go into this more we're going to find stuff that's illegal here so they but but chelsea have still gained gained an advantage chelsea won titles yeah one time chelsea won titles with illegal things with things that they've done illegal so should they be stripped of the title uh well i don't think people get stripped of the title these days do they well but this is the thing right this is where i struggle with so yes you could make the argument that winning stuff in the past made them better today right i i get that and so that that's the davy moise argument problem with that is it's hard to penalize a current owners what you can do you could potentially if you think they're grave enough strip them of titles in the past yeah would that be a fair outcome in your view i don't think i don't think people would i don't think the clubs that would then become the get the title would think oh that's great we won that because when you actually play the game that's what it's all about playing the game you haven't won the title so i i wouldn't take the titles away from them there has to be some sort of fine on whatever but i'm sure they won't get dot points that's the point juventus make about the um about the titles that were taken away from them um following calciopoli uh interestingly enough i heard this reported that if Chelsea hadn't self-reported, if the Premier League had found all this stuff out on their own, that their punishment would have been a two-window transfer ban.

47:33Now, that would have really been scandalous. If Chelsea had not self-reported this, if they had known that this illegal stuff happened and they didn't come forth with it, surely you would have had to take much more serious punishment. Of course you would, yeah. Now, Long's bounced back from defeat last week to beat Angers 5-1 and stay one point behind PSG, who have a game in hand. Gab, they are keeping up the pressure, aren't they? Yes, that's right. Pierre Saj, Stonewise, as Jules called them. This team are fun. They play well. They have a good mix of players. It's nice to see Tovan kind of reliving his youth.

48:12But it's not just him. It's also an Eduard. It's a bunch of others.

48:20I think they did ratchet up the pressure. If they hadn't won so convincing against Angers, I'm not sure Paris Saint-Germain would have taken the game against Nice this past weekend so seriously. They're going to give it their all, right? It does make a big difference that Paris Saint-Germain have that game in hand, but Paris Saint-Germain also have a whole bunch of champions. You've liked your percentages so far. PSG for the title? Okay, if Jules were here, it'd be all negative and say like 50-50. But no, it's obvious. No, I'm going to go 70%. Okay. Brentford drew nil-nil at Leeds. But that's not why I'm asking you about them, Robbo.

48:57I want to take this opportunity that you're here because we don't get to talk about them that much. But Brentford are seventh in the table. They're two points behind Chelsea, three points behind Liverpool, clubs with far bigger budgets. And this is after a summer in which they lost their manager, the man with two first names, Thomas Frank. And they also lost a bunch of big hitters, like Brian Mbumo, Johan Wiesa, the goalkeeper, Mark Flecken, who went to Bayer Leverkusen, Christian Norgard, the whole defensive midfielder. You can't get a game for Arsenal. Whatever. But you're supposed to get worse when your genius manager leaves and you lose four starters in one summer.

49:39Do you have an explanation? Is Keith Andrews a genius? I wouldn't say he's a genius, but he's done a very good job. But I think it speaks more about the recruitment of players at Brentford, the fact that they can sell players and then bring in new players that do exactly the same job and do it just as well. Oh, is there more love for Michael Coyote? The philosophy of the club and the way they go about things has been very good. What is it? Explain it to those who don't know. Well, in terms of they look at all clubs all around the world, they try and bring in players that they can see would be ideal ideal for the system of play.

50:11Their stats are good and they don't have to pay a fortune for them because they're not the best players that they can possibly buy. They're the best players in their eyes for what they want and that's the key to recruitment. Getting the best players you can for the positions you want them to play and you know what the manager wants at them. So Keith Andrews has done a good job by talking to the recruitment, which doesn't always happen, and saying this is the style of football i'm going to play this is what i won't expect from this player go and find me the best player you can in that position who does those things that's not going to cost us a fortune and that's what they go and do i look i i know people talk and people praise lavish praise of brentford and brighton and being smart and punching above their weight but for me the fact that they're doing it again um it's pretty remarkable as is the fact that when i look at these four.

51:01Okay. Flecken was okay at the start of the year, then he got injured, so we give him a pass. Mbumu's been good. I don't know if he's lived up to his transfer fee, but he's been good. For a while, he was Man City United's most dangerous player. Norgaard can't get a game. Probably wasn't expecting to get a game, but can't get a game, like you said. And Johan Wiesa, I think, fair to say, nowhere near the transfer fee they paid for him, and not lived up to things so far. There's also something to be said about when players leave Brentford, they're often not as good. No. Not always, obviously Ollie Watkins was and stuff, but, you know.

51:35There's a good feeling at Brentford. If you go to Brentford, there's a good feeling about the club and the atmosphere and everything around it at the moment. And just to provide people context about sort of historically where Brentford were, like when you were a little boy, probably right up until you were an older man. When I was coaching at Wimbledon, which was just coming up to 2000, they were in the fourth tier of English football. Right. They were League Two. They were League Two. And they had... And with no prospect of ever approving. The chairman was the manager, Ron Nodes, was the chairman and the manager of the football club, with Steve Coppola's somewhere down below him, that Brian Sparrow.

52:12They had a committee of four people, and they were in the fourth tier of English football. So the chairman is the manager. Chairman is the manager, Ron Nodes. There you go. That's the Crystal Palace, Ron Nodes, right? Yeah, the same one, yes. Now, Como keep getting it done, Gap. They destroy Pisa 5-0 and are fourth with a three-point lead over Juventus, who you spoke about earlier. Are we going to see Cesc Fabregas in the Champions League next year with Como? Yeah, that's the operative word. Are we going to see him there with Como next year? Bunch of questions here. One is, it's not entirely clear because they have spent a lot of money and it's a small stadium and it's a small town.

52:48They spent the money really well, but they've still spent the money. Are they going to have financial restrictions potentially? That is, I think, a big question that's going to have to become clear at some point. I suppose they can do a settlement agreement, but I don't know how that would work. But the question is, says Fabregas. Is the key for their success that they've got hardly any Italians playing for them? No, that's not true. That's just so stupid. No, they've got good players. They've got good players who they're recycling from other leagues. Players like Kakaray, or who people thought have gone a little bit off the boil.

53:23They get him back. They get him motivated. A bit like Girona in La Liga? were a couple of years ago? Girona are a bit skeevy for obvious reasons. Yes. So let's not put them in the same category as Girona. But I can see why people, to be fair, would have made that parallel. Morata's come back to Italy, the country he loves. Not really moved the needle this year, but obviously they have a Sanjau. They've got a bunch of... They've got guys like Duvickis who scored some goals in La Liga. Then he comes to Italy and starts scoring again. They've got a good goalkeeper. I obviously have one legit megastar in Nico Pass and I don't I don't know like I get romantic when I see him play so obviously you know we all have favorite players and I had a favorite player for Grit when I was a little boy but I also had a favorite player for talent imagination who made the game effortlessness and that player was Manuel Rui Costa this guy plays so effortless that it's a joy to behold.

54:26Everything, nothing looks difficult. Everything looks easy for him. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm overhyping him, but. Well, I look forward to seeing him in the Champions League next year. Yeah. And will it be for Cuomo? But it's funny though, if you're Cesar, I'm not being funny here, but like more broadly, well, we've touched upon it before. When you look at like Europe's traditional big cups, how many of them are going to have the same manager next year as they have now, right? Like in England, in the Big Six, I think Arteta's definitely back. Yeah. I don't know that anybody else in the Big Six is definitely returning.

55:03Maybe Michael Carrick. So there's going to be a lot of changes to managers, and they'll all be looking at the best managers around Europe. And is Cesc Madrid going to be one of them? Well, that's the thing. I mean, Arbeloa, obviously, I don't think is going to be back. No. Kovac. But, you know, there's going to be a lot of upheaval, a lot of changes in managerial positions. and Cesc is ideally, ideally. I mean, the guy's like a synthesis of three different European cultures. Yeah, I'll tell you, Cesc and Xavi Alonso are going to... They're going to be the main ones, are they? I think so. They'll be the biggest in-demand names in the managerial market this summer.

55:38Big win for Inter-Miami and MLS as they come from behind to beat New York City FC. That Lionel Messi guy scores again. Robbo, big response after getting knocked out of the CONCACAF Champions Cup by Nashville in midweek. but let me ask you about Messi he has started this campaign five goals in six games unlike some of his teammates he isn't permanently injured he plays every minute of every game what does this bode for the world cup what does it bode for the worker now he's always going to have moments of pure magic he's always going to have an eye for goal but he's got a lot of people are going to do his running for him got to have the energy and to find himself that time on the ball to do the things he wants to do we saw at the club world cup which many people rubbished but when they were playing in that he couldn't get on the ball because the game bypassed him but in the world cup there's going to be some poor teams and argentina are going to probably outscore most of the teams are going to play in the group stages so he would he will have one or two good games but in the very when they play against the big teams i think he might struggle right i've just been impressed obviously yes no rodrigo depaul who and suarez is on the bench i don't know if he's if he's just old and likes him but messages that's one of the key things he's always stayed fit now fifa published their annual accounts for the 2025 fiscal year and gab we discovered how much gianni infantino earns not as much as you probably but no he makes marginally less than me but still i want to i want to come out and say this about johnny fattino this is the problem with like ceos or whatever we're totally desensitized to these numbers so whatever here and people say oh, it's too much because they don't like Infantina, because they don't like the peace price, some of the dumb things he said and whatever, right?

57:22The reality is he made a base salary of$3.3 million, 2.6 million Swiss francs, and then$2.7 million in bonuses. That's about$6 million. And yes, he gets free travel and a high stipend, whatever, right? When you compare it to other organizations, to, say, the commissioner of the NFL, or people in similar roles, he does not make a lot of money. He really doesn't. Is he making it up in other ways? Blah, blah, blah. He's not going to starve. But this is not an obscene amount of money. And if he were here, he would point out that the people who elect him, since he took over, they have seen their funding go up eight times.

58:12So that's why they reward him. and you know. He must be worried about retirement whether he can retire. I think he has enough friends around the world at this stage that he'll be very well taken care of in retirement. Alright, this brings us to an end. Robbo, thanks for stepping in. Jules is going to be back on Thursday when we look forward to that very unpleasant thing that we call World Cup playoffs. Until then, love the game. Love your neighbour. Love yourself.

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