In short
Gab and Jules discuss Italy’s third straight World Cup failure after a playoff defeat to Bosnia. They describe the match: Italy scored early from a goalkeeper mistake, then went into “lockdown” under Gattuso, but Bastoni was sent off after a poor Donnarumma goal kick and defensive positioning. With 10 men, Bosnia piled on shots (around 33), equalized, and Italy lost on penalties. The hosts argue Gattuso was “not fit for purpose,” saying he lacked tactical options and couldn’t adapt after setbacks, and criticize the Italian FA head Gabriele Gravina for backing him despite repeated misses. They debate whether Italy’s squad lacks superstars, noting Donnarumma and Di Marco as exceptions, and claim Italy’s striker pipeline is weak. They cite structural issues: too many foreign players in Serie A, youth development focused on winning rather than technique/mentality, and unhealthy agent/intermediary incentives.
Notable examples
Pio Esposito’s late Serie A debut; Italy’s 1982 World Cup starter Beppe Bergomi as proof young talent can succeed.
Guests
none mentioned; only Gab and Jules.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOItaly's World Cup Disappointment
0:46 to 2:31
Analyzing Italy's failure to qualify for the World Cup and the implications.
“And of course, Turkey going to the World Cup too.”
The Match Against Bosnia
2:32 to 4:31
A detailed breakdown of Italy's match against Bosnia and Gattuso's tactics.
“But yeah, Bosnia, I don't think are even very good.”
Coaching Concerns for Italy
4:32 to 6:50
Discussing the coaching issues facing Italy's national team and potential managerial changes.
“But that starts to be quite a while ago.”
Player Performances and Rankings
6:51 to 8:12
Assessing Italy's player performances and FIFA rankings in relation to their World Cup absence.
“Certainly that level of striker is something we haven't seen.”
Structural Issues in Italian Football
8:13 to 10:34
Exploring the structural challenges in Serie A and their impact on the national team.
“either structural or you know kind of mind thing about strikers and goals in general with Italian football right now, which again is part of a cycle.”
Foreign Players and Youth Development
10:35 to 14:01
Discussing the role of foreign players in Serie A and the implications for youth development.
“All right, let's go to the structural issues.”
Youth Player Movement in Italy
14:01 to 16:44
Discussion on the challenges faced by young players in Italy's football system.
“I think that is a big, big factor because you see this, that some of these guys Italy's best young player, I think, other than Pio Esposito is Palestra, right?”
The Coaching Mentality in Italian Academies
16:45 to 19:18
Exploration of the focus on winning over player development in Italian football academies.
Historical Context of Youth Opportunities
19:19 to 20:00
Highlighting the importance of early opportunities for young players in football.
“Listen, I've known Beppe Bergomi a long time.”
Political and Institutional Issues in Italian Football
20:01 to 22:21
Discussion on the political landscape and leadership issues in Italian football.
“But the issue now is now they're talking about, and this is the wrong mentality for everybody out there.”
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Quick Hits on World Cup Qualifiers
24:20 to 28:00
Overview of recent World Cup qualifier results and discussions on various teams.
“Poland twice come from behind away, but it's not enough as Victor Gjokoros' late winner sends Sweden to the World Cup by the back door.”
Discriminatory Language in Football
28:00 to 29:00
Discussing the implications of discriminatory language in sports.
“These are all things which are explicitly banned.”
Roberto De Zerbi's Coaching Challenges
29:00 to 30:20
Analyzing De Zerbi's five-year coaching deal and his tactical approach.
“And I'm really happy too that La Minha Mal spoke out.”
Spurs' Survival Chances
30:20 to 31:20
Examining Tottenham's difficult schedule and relegation fears.
“Yeah, and about that, on the show on Monday, I think I only gave Spurs a 5 % chance of going down.”
Chelsea's Financial Troubles
31:20 to 32:36
Discussing Chelsea's record losses and implications for their future.
“When they first started spending like maniacs, that was like$100 million.”
Marco Correa's Honest Reflections
34:27 to 36:24
Analyzing Correa's frustrations and thoughts on Chelsea's youth policy.
“Marco Correa had a few things to say, Jules.”
World Cup Qualifiers Update
36:24 to 37:59
Reviewing the latest World Cup qualification results and notable performances.
“And then everybody knows they lost 9-0 in 1974 and the guy running out of the wall and whatever.”
Friendlies and Team Performance Review
37:59 to 39:41
Evaluating performance in international friendlies leading to the World Cup.
“Argentina, I rolled past Zambia 5-0 but Jules, and this kind of surprised me.”
England's Defensive Concerns
39:41 to 42:00
Discussing England's defensive lineup and potential weaknesses.
“Yeah, choose Field Folden is very talented.”
Maguire's Place in England's Defense
42:00 to 43:10
Discussion on the current state of England's defensive lineup, focusing on Harry Maguire and injury concerns.
“And I was having this conversation with Augie yesterday.”
Newcastle's Financial Strategy
43:10 to 44:44
Analyzing Newcastle's financial situation and implications of potential player sales.
“I quote, and buy well, another quote, this summer.”
Women's Champions League Highlights
46:44 to 48:16
Recap of Chelsea's match against Arsenal and the controversial moments involving officiating.
“Chelsea scored late to beat Arsenal, but it's not enough as Rene Slager's team advanced 3-2 on an aggregate.”
Referee Decisions in Women's Football
48:16 to 50:29
In-depth look at officiating mistakes and their impacts in women's football matches.
“All right, so first of all, according to the rules, pure tactical foul.”
Manchester United Women in Champions League
50:29 to 52:33
Discussion on Manchester United women's performance in the Champions League and their need for investment.
“Yes, apparently it was a 90 % increase, something like that.”
Everton's Women's Team Sale
52:33 to 54:36
Exploring the sale of Everton's women's team and its implications for their financial strategy.
“but they're very good and they pushed, they pushed.”
Ghana's Coaching Change
54:36 to 55:42
Analysis of Otto Addo's departure as Ghana's head coach and potential replacements.
“Not good at all, despite qualifying for the World Cup, by the way.”
Lukaku's Future with Napoli
55:42 to 56:01
Insights into Romelu Lukaku's situation with Napoli and potential consequences of his absence.
“salary when he was yeah saudi was was was known to everyone i'm fairly sure saudi arabia can pay their national team coach far more than Ghana can.”
Lukaku's Training Ground Absence
56:01 to 56:20
Discussing Romelu Lukaku's absence from training and its implications.
“I feel like this is a romantic decision.”
World Cup Aspirations and Treatment Decisions
56:21 to 57:29
Analyzing the impact of Lukaku's treatment location on his career and World Cup chances.
“Remember, we told you that story on Monday's show.”
Iran's World Cup Participation
57:30 to 59:11
Exploring the uncertainties surrounding Iran's participation in the World Cup.
“So could this be an excuse to see if they can save him some money on his salary next season?”
Financial Concerns for 2026 World Cup
59:12 to 1:01:54
Discussing the financial implications and concerns for various countries regarding the upcoming World Cup.
“There's a lot of things that can happen.”
UEFA vs FIFA Ticket Pricing Commentary
1:01:55 to 1:02:36
A critical look at ticket pricing differences between UEFA Euro and FIFA World Cup events.
“And I will have a big weekend of league football to look back on.”
Transcript
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0:20I'm Gab, he's Jules. Blue skies over West London. dark stormy skies over Italy since for the third consecutive World Cup. Italy will not be a part of it. We've got to deal with this, Jules. I'm going to rely on your emotional support throughout this. But there's plenty of other stuff going on. I think that we definitely need to mention. De Zadby's been confirmed. Czechia are going to the World Cup. Sweden are going to the World Cup. DR Congo are going to the World Cup. Iraq are going to the World Cup. And of course, Turkey going to the World Cup too. So there will be some...
0:57Julien Laurens:Everybody, but Italy pretty much. Exactly, exactly. And there will be, I think, at least two Italian managers to the World Cup, but we'll get to that later. Jules, I don't know what the good place to start with this. I'll just kind of tell you the bare unpleasant facts as I know them. Italy playing away to Bosnia. Italy get an early goal, fortunately, on a mistake by the ballgame keeper. They go into, they decide to kind of go into lockdown mode, 11 v 11, and then maybe play possession. Maybe the plan was to play possession second half. I don't know because we never got there because 41 minutes in, Alessandro Bastoni, arguably Italy's best defender, makes a really poor decision.
1:40Not entirely his fault. Also a function of the fact that
1:46Donnarumma's goal kick was poor. Was poor, I think probably because he also slipped and also I don't think the defenders were where they were supposed to be to receive it. So he's scrambling. He gets himself sent off. 10 versus 11. Gattuso decides, let's go into lockdown mode and let's suffer because, you know, that's what he was like as a player. And I think it's kind of like all he knows. As a result, Bosnia take a million shots on goal. I think it was 33 by the end of the game. They eventually get an equalizer. Goes into extra time. Italy, you're tired. It's raining. Blah, blah, blah. It's a long time to play with a man down.
2:18and then on the penalties they go out.
2:22Julien Laurens:Yeah. I don't know how much time we need to spend on the game because frankly, you and I both agree, Gattuso not fit for purpose. No, definitely not. I think part of the problem for me is that Gattuso was never good enough really to take this team to the World Cup. One of the big differences as well with why, you know, other nations are stronger than Italy right now is probably because they had picked the right coaches in the last few years or so, which hasn't been the case for Italy either, from Spalletti to Gattuso, just the last two. And that's a problem. But yeah, Bosnia, I don't think are even very good.
2:55Julien Laurens:Even at home, they were not very good on the night. All they could do is cross the ball and they did a lot of crosses. But Italy was so poor, I thought, despite the chances that they had, because Moisey Kain can make it 2-0, Esposito can score too. They had enough chances to go and win this game, but it was just not there enough for them. And I think you said, you know, Gattuso not good enough to take it to the World Cup. What I would say is you don't have to be particularly good. Italy ranked number 11, 12, 13 in the world. 48 teams go to the World Cup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the difference between having a good manager and having somebody like Gattuso is that things can go wrong in qualifying campaigns, right?
3:32You get a bad decision. You have a bad day. You go into a group with somebody who's playing out of their skin, like Norway. And so then the margins become slimmer. And then somebody gets sent off in your playoff. And then the margins become even slimmer. A good manager can message in such a way that say, okay, this isn't working, let's go to plan B, let's go to plan C. He has options, he has understanding of what to do, which Gattuso definitely, I think, did not. Yeah, definitely. I know there's a big argument about, oh, Gattuso and the head of the Italian FA, Gabriele Gravina, should have immediately resigned in shame.
4:09Just in general, where do you stand about immediate resignations? in these situations.
4:14Julien Laurens:Yeah, I think when it's this embarrassing, I think they're not too... I mean, Gravina, it's not... Gattuso, you could say, just arrived after Spalletti. Nobody wanted the job. But this is not the first time that this head of the Italian FA has been part of a cycle where they missed out on the World Cup. How is he still there? I don't even know. Yeah, I guess he won the Euros, maybe. Yeah, true. But that starts to be quite a while ago. You're dining out of that for a long time. the two big names immediately put out there and to be honest they don't know who's in charge of the FA so I don't even know how solid these are but inevitably Mancini who's unemployed and of course won the Euros and Antonio Conte who's not unemployed but may decide to go in another direction in the season who do you like?
5:02I mean Conte did well
5:03Julien Laurens:at Euros 2016 didn't he? With a poor team compared to the one Mancini took to the Euros so I would prefer Conte I prefer Conte than Mancini as a coach myself. So I'd be very happy with Antonio. Who would you rather go on holiday with? I would hope you would say Mancini. Yeah, probably. You gave off Mancini vibes. Yeah, probably. Although I'm sure Conte can be charming on his day. On his day.
5:31Jules, looking at this group and the failure, Italy were ranked. They slipped down to number 13 in the world. The new rankings are, I don't know if they're 14, 15. or whatever, but they're going to be in that range, right? Denmark, 21 in the world, also, of course, not going. So we know, I mean, FIFA rankings are what they are, but we know this is not a bad group of players. These are players who've been in Champions League finals. These are players who play for big clubs in England and elsewhere.
6:07Maybe you could make the point that, and I saw a guy, there's a guy named Omar Chaudhry who's involved with this thing called 21st Club they do like sort of nerdy analysis but they're very smart people and he made the point about you know that sort of a lack of superstars um essentially like yeah no player in the top 50 whatever um judging goalkeepers is very difficult but for me Donnarumma's probably in the top 50 players in the world. Di Marco, possibly, certainly in his position, probably is top five. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I don't... We can't use the players as an argument. However, I think what is undeniable is that in the past, when Italy have also had terrible qualifying campaigns but some have gone through, you had the safety blanket of okay, none of our midfielders can pass and we kind of suck, but oh look, here's Roberto Baggio or here's Del Piero off the bench.
7:08Certainly that level of striker is something we haven't seen. Striker number 10, we haven't seen that from Italy in a long, long time.
7:16Julien Laurens:Yeah, I agree. I tend to agree with that. When you look at some of the past options that they had at number 9, especially on number 10s or those attacking positions, going back to obviously 20 years ago in the 06 World Cup, But even around that kind of era, it's not there yet. But again, it's a cycle. We can look at Germany and the number nine. You can look at France and the full bags. You can look at, in each country, you've got positions where it's a little bit weaker than in others, which is absolutely fine. But are you doing anything about it? Are you doing anything to make this team better?
7:50Julien Laurens:I think it's also probably and you would think that Serie A being where it is right now you don't have many goals scored in Serie A there's not that amazing great strikers either proper number nines either if you take Lautaro out for the rest I don't think it's right so it might not just be the national team I think it might be a more either structural or you know kind of mind thing about strikers and goals in general with Italian football right now, which again is part of a cycle. I don't know if I fully agree with the goal scored in Serie A argument because yes, they're down this season, but I think last season or the year before, they were number two behind Germany in the big five leagues.
8:36Julien Laurens:Yeah, but this season is the league with the more nil-nils, for example, by far. I don't know that that means that you're not going to have good centre forwards, especially when maybe a bigger thing would mean when most of the centre forwards are not Italian, you can't play them for the Italian national team I think that contributes to it as well I think part of it and this certainly applies to Gattuso and I think the Italy managers who've done well like Mancini or Brandelli 2012 Italy got to the European Championship final as well although everybody seems to forget that football's changed and you have to play to your strengths in Italy have ball-playing defenders.
9:19Bastoni and Calafiore are two of the best defenders in the world on the ball. Ball-playing full-backs. And he kind of went to it with Politano, of course, as a winger, Mastri is a full-back, and Di Marco. And the midfielders, they can all pass a little bit. I'm not saying any one of these guys is a Dan, but compared to Italy, one of the World Cup with Perrotta and Gattuso, funny enough, in midfield. Warriors and stuff, but those were genuine ball winners. Now they've gone in another direction, which I think is the right direction because you have to play football. You cannot go and park the bus and win in modern football in general.
9:54People will cite some exceptions and people will be mean about Arsenal, but that's not really fair, I think. But you agree with that, right? You have to do stuff at the moment. And you have the players to do that.
10:03Julien Laurens:Yeah, I just think, again, the manager, the head coach is wrong. Gattuso can't implement any style, any philosophy, any idea outside of let's fight for the show, Let's do this. Let's do that, which obviously has massive limits, as we've saw since he took over, not just in his Bosnia game, but also in the Northern Ireland game, also in the Israel game. Let's not even talk about the Norway game that he was on the bench for. So, you know, all of that is part of it massively. He was the wrong pick from the beginning. All right, let's go to the structural issues. I just want to, hopefully you'll agree with me, we don't need to argue about it.
10:42I just want to take one out of the way. immediately the fact that syria isn't as great it was in the night as it was in the 90s when they were dominating i don't think that is a major issue at all um ligand is not as good uh as they were spain not as good as they were you know uh and in fact when italy won the euros that wasn't as good as it was and i would argue it's probably better today than it was when they won the World Cup in 2006, which, lest we forget, was on the back of the Calciopoli scandal and all this other stuff. So I don't think that's a factor so much. Does it contribute a little bit because your domestic players are playing against a lower caliber of opposition?
11:24Sure. But it's not, it doesn't move the needle, right? I think there's a youth develop, there's a major youth development issue. And the counter argument to this is, oh, but look, Italy does really well in youth tournaments or have done over the last couple of years. under 17s, under 20s, under 21s, they're not doing worse. They're doing about as well as Spain, France, England. The issue, I think the big difference, is what happens when these guys get ready to step into the first team.
11:59Julien Laurens:Yeah, absolutely. For me, 70 % of foreign players in Serie A is far too much, far too many. Because if you only have them 30 % left for your Italian players there, And this is not a quota, this is what the club is doing. They don't have to do it. It's not like if you need seven players out of ten to be foreigners in your squads, then that doesn't leave much space for young talent. When you look at Pio Esposito, who had to wait that he was 20 to make his Serie A debut, and by the way, a few days later got his first call up for Italy. I think it's all there. It shows you this is somebody who should have started.
12:33Julien Laurens:It doesn't have to be for a top club, but should have started in Serie A because he was good enough already when he was 18. by now he would have two years of experience in Syria and then by 20 when he's called up for the first time by Italy he would have that kind of track record with him not a few days after making his debut in Syria being called up for Italy and you can look at a lot of other players like that and be in that position kind of thing Yeah, on this issue of the foreigners I think you make a really good point but I want to stress the number of foreigners in Syria it's not anything that can change because there's European Union rules about this.
13:12What bothers me a lot, actually, because clubs would say, okay, fine, but we're getting these guys because they're better. Simple as, right? And that may be true to some degree. I think they also often get these guys, and I hate to say this and lift the lid on this. We're going to get into stories of agents, commissions, and stuff like that later. They shop abroad because it's a lot easier to make a buck It's a lot easier to then balance the books in dubious ways. It'll swap you this guy for that guy. There's a lot of clubs that are still basically in hock to intermediaries, to certain people.
13:50Look, we both know plenty of agents and intermediaries. There's a lot of people who are honest people of integrity and provide real value to clubs. There's also some who are just bad people. And there's people who are in football for the wrong reasons. and especially when you look at how youth players move around I think that is a big, big factor because you see this, that some of these guys Italy's best young player, I think, other than Pio Esposito is Palestra, right? Who did really well, yeah Who came on, he's had a tremendous season at Cagliari He's on loan from Atalanta
14:23He's like 21, I think Possibly even 22 He's another guy who, in a normal country, would be starting at 18. Absolutely. Now, I want to detour a little bit to, you mentioned this when we were both on the UFC show during the post-mortem, you made the point about how other leagues kind of cope with this. And I think every league kind of has its own story. Yeah, sure. In England, there's a blockage as well because the top teams are so good. But in England, they also spend a ton of money on academies. I think far more than anybody else, broadly speaking. In France, you have a situation where you said it's a feeder league.
15:00Yeah. So people do well and they move on. You could make this point about Portugal as well. Yeah, or the Netherlands, Belgium even. So there's constant openings and opportunities for players. In Italy, that tends not to happen. So often we see people rewarded with long contracts. Obviously, some Italian players go abroad more than in the past, but it's still a very, very small number. you know we're seeing some we saw Mane and Reggiani or Borussia Dortmund not going great but whatever you're there that is something that I think you as a young player you have to understand what's in front of you you have to think of terms of player development pathways and realize I have to do what's best for me and I think in the past I think also because some of these relationships between intermediaries and clubs are unhealthy that hasn't happened.
15:53Julien Laurens:Yeah, but I think the clubs have to look at themselves as well and I know it's expensive to have a really good academy. I know it takes a long time because when you get a player seven or eight, it will take you 10 years to work with him every day to invest in him until he can bring something to your first team. So I get that and clearly a lot of Italian clubs and not just in Italy but in a lot of other countries just don't fancy it. It's better to sign a 25-year-old from somewhere else in Europe than having then then trying to produce your own striker from the age of because you can make money off the Commission yeah true that and and a lot of it but but I think academies are vital to any football anywhere whether you then rely on them or not whether you let them go to a lower league club something whether you loan him it doesn't matter it's part of the cycle of life of football anyway and I think that's where Italy took the eyes off it a long time ago and now it's very it's going to be very difficult but they have to go back on this gap they have to and it's going to be very difficult too because as you said it's not in the habit of clubs it's not what they want to do but they will have to there there are different stories uh of course at different academies in italy is certainly yeah yeah examples um some clubs have b teams uh yeah the next gen yeah the next gen thing is but again all of that is full of final exactly so they're they're very good at developing players for other countries absolutely thank you can't unyield this um i i want to make one other point and i've seen this a lot now having sort of um you know my cousins of kids who played in academy systems and speaking to now the younger players are coming through one huge difference and this might also explain why italy's success at youth team uh levels in international football might be fool's gold is this in these academies the people coaching the academies in italy this has become a bit of an obsession of mine most of them want to go on to coach and say yeah they do not want to be youth coaches they're like oh look i take the under 14s this year i win the league next year i move the under 16s and then i become an assistant here and blah blah blah to do that they want to win they don't want to develop players they're not there to develop players they're there to win games and so they spend so much time working on tactics that's why most italian players whatever you can criticize them but tactically they know what they're doing yeah and at under 17 under 18 level that can work but if you're not working on the individual technique of a player if you're not working on the mentality and encouraging them to take chances and make mistakes i'll tell you right now if ryan shirky had been born and raised in italy yeah like he should have been he should be watching the world cup on tv yeah but you know you know where he'd be playing right now fran shirk you've been playing in the early he'd be some cult hero in city of b somewhere yeah right like oh look shirk he's so talented oh but he's crazy oh we can't trust him he's too talented oh what he's what 21 years old 22 years old oh well maybe in a couple years he'll be ready for city out this is the nonsense mentality which i hear time and time again and i've been hearing it for 20 years and i thought it might have changed and i wish people would realize you You know who won the World Cup in 1982?
19:10Julien Laurens:Yeah. Who did? Some of our audience may not know. Yeah, Italy? Yes. And you know who started three games in that tournament and started the final? An 18-year-old defender. Right. Beppe Bergomi. And he's a bit special, though. They don't come every day. Listen, I've known Beppe Bergomi a long time. He's one of the few footballers who would consider a friend. He would be the first to tell you. He might be special for mentality and intelligence and whatever. He's not. he was not a physical monster he was no no that's true he was a kid who was given an opportunity in in italy and and he seized it and i think he'd be the first to say there might be a ton of other bad companies out there who never got that opportunity and he started world cup final against germany yeah and and then played a huge role so i think there's a lot of learning opportunities i think there's going to be a lot of political stuff i just want to leave you with this the head of the FA Gravina and this is what I always hate everything becomes political right people said why don't you resign and not only did not resign he backed Gattuso even as Gattuso said stupid things about how like you know it's not fair we showed so much heart and yeah Bosnia showed a lot more heart than you did they're the ones who battled down from a goal down by the way he even made some references to the referee which I thought were completely out of line because you know even if if Clonon Turmapan had sent Moorimovic off.
20:34I don't think that moves the needle. That doesn't change the performance.
20:41But the issue now is now they're talking about, and this is the wrong mentality for everybody out there. They're saying people want the guy from the Italian Olympic Committee since we had Winter Olympics. Very successful, yeah. Italy won a ton of medals. And they're saying, well, maybe he's a sports administrator. Maybe you should go to the FA. And he's like, oh, well, it should have fought it enough. We were successful. and then gravina says no those guys are amateurs this is yeah all of the sports are amateurs yeah all of this is nonsense okay do not compare the winter olympics look i the guy may be really good
21:13Julien Laurens:at what he talked about tennis as well and yannick sinner and he said like well they're amateurs like come on that's even dumber yes yannick's in a very much an amateur um we can't i i don't even think the president of the FA matters that much. They make a big deal out of it. It's about coaching. Who knows who the heads of the FAs are in most of these countries, right? But I think there has to be a difference in mentality. And I think people have to realize that, like you said, working on the academy, developing skills over just getting results in the 15 level, that's in your own interest as a football club.
21:51Absolutely. That helps you. And when it doesn't help you, because you're better off going and, you know, taking some 20-year-old from Argentina who has an Italian grandmother, but who might not actually be that good. And I'm really sorry to say this. Sometimes it's because people are passing money around that they shouldn't be passing around. And that's why at the same time, we need oversight, we need legality, and we need the enforcement of rules.
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24:30Julien Laurens:By the back door again, as we said, and I think there's a lot to say about that, the fact that they could not even win a single game in their qualifiers group, and yet through the League C of the Nations League, they managed to scrub in bed. They were very happy, Gjokoros, with that winner in the 80th minute or something to go through. I don't think Sweden are that great. And I know Isak is going to come back and probably will be at the World Cup and all of that. But they were not great. And to be fair, I thought Poland was probably the better team on the night there. No Lewandowski at the World Cup and probably never again at the World Cup.
25:02Julien Laurens:I don't think he'd be there in four years' time, which is sad, obviously. But yeah, well done to Graham Potter for turning things around, to be fair. Yeah, look, he took over a horrendous situation. He's got time to work a little bit. He has some talent. Again, Sweden are one team I would not sleep on at the World Cup. Yeah, that's true. Kerematukoglu scores the goal last time. Turkey on their way with a win away to Kosovo. Gab, another Italian for you to cheer on the World Cup, though. Exactly. I nicely hedged between him and that Carlo Ancelotti film. Maybe there'll be more Italian culture in the World Cup.
25:36Yeah, again, this is a trap game, right? Turkey, you know, Kosovo at home, nothing to lose. It's reminding me a little bit, actually, of the Italy game. Yeah, sure. Turkey's a more talented side, but you've got to push, you've got to push, you've got to find it. And then eventually, when Kosovo got it to 0-0 at halftime, you wonder, are Turkey going to crumble? Is Mokela going to glitch? And then eventually they get it done. I'm happy for Turkey. 24 years they've been waiting for another World Cup. And as we've said many times, last time they got to the semifinals. Czechia are through on penalties against Denmark after 2-2 draw in Prague Jules, I guess Czechia practiced their penalties unlike say Italy who got on penalties to Bosnia
26:20Julien Laurens:True, yeah, and Bosnia did as well because semi-final and final and that one on pens I mean terrible penalties from Hojland from Janssen for the Danes who, not just in this game but they were below par in this game because they considered poor goals despite probably being the better team on the night but even before that at the end of their qualifiers the way they lost to scotland obviously in that very famous game now but even before that the way they draw points against belarus it's unforgivable that they are not at the world cup so no holland no erickson no players like that is accent uh or hollberg it's uh it's sad for them as well uh and they only have themselves to blame really yeah it's it's a weird one because this is really a team that is a gifted team they they had a good structure yeah and then everything just fell apart from what from november onwards yeah um which is terrible yeah it's terrible for them are we gonna see a change coaching wife that's a good question i think so i think there's probably a few who will take the international uh they will retire international food from international football they it has to start with a new cycle they've good youngsters good young players to build on but that was a really really poor result in the end spain and egypt draw nil nil in their friendly in barcelona gabi on um tuesday night or wednesday night but the story here is the islamophobic abuse from some of their fans yeah so um so in terms of the team this was he he basically changed almost everybody uh except for except for lamin yamal which by the way through Barcelona you're thinking like seriously like really anyway that's not going to help so there's a song there's different iterations of it in every country which is you know like you're playing your competitor like I just sound really stupid when I say it but like if I were hypothetically an Eagles fan who were playing the hated Dallas Cowboys I jump up and down and say oh if you don't jump you're a Cowboys fan right that's totally fine it's childish whatever it would have been fine if they said if you don't jump your egyptian because that's the other team you can't say if you don't jump you're muslim yeah um because lamin yamal's muslim plenty of spaniards are muslim it's a loaded thing when you bring religion in there to me this is very very clear yeah uh it's discriminatory language again, religion, sexuality, territorial origin, race.
28:56These are all things which are explicitly banned. And I think they're going to come down very hard. And so they should. And I'm really happy too that La Minha Mal spoke out. He's 18 years old. He doesn't need to be the one just to speak out. You know, somebody had to. Roberto de Zerbe disperse his official jewels. We've talked about this. People are sick of this. But I did want to ask you something. It's a five-year deal. It is. There is no break clause for either side in case of relegation. This is what they say.
29:22Julien Laurens:Is that surprising to you by it? Yeah, I don't believe at all in no break clause, no release clause or things like that. I think they happen all the time now, especially with managers. I don't think so. I don't think if they go down that he would coach in a championship. Never in a million years. For me, he's not a championship coach anyway. He came up the hard way. He's coached in the lower leagues before. Now he's gone to a level where you don't coach in a championship if you're Roberto De Zerbi. So good luck to him. I think he will keep them up. I think he will improve them. He's a great coach.
29:55Julien Laurens:Great coach. Improved their teams that we sat down on the FC show on Tuesday as well. It'd be very interesting to see for such a dogmatic coach how pragmatic he will be because right now there's no time for him to put in place the Zerbi ball and that kind of very sophisticated, complex style of football. It's all about grinding out results, winning 1-0 or whatever, fighting. and that's not really what he does. So I can't wait to see first game away at Sunderland in 10 days. Yeah, and about that, on the show on Monday, I think I only gave Spurs a 5 % chance of going down. Yes, yes. And then I took another look, which I should have done before, at the schedule.
30:30I don't feel good about this at all because looking at the teams that they're playing and the conditions, right, Sunderland and Brighton, those are two teams that have something to play for at this stage. Wolves, this game could determine their relegation when they play them and that's away from home. Aston Villa away from home wanting to hang on to the Champions League places. Leeds that is a classic six-pointer. Second to last week of the season Chelsea who would love to relegate Spurs even more than they'd love to win the Champions League. And Everton to finish. And Everton to finish who might be in the running for Europa League spot.
31:06So it's really tough. It is tough.
31:09Julien Laurens:Chelsea talking about Chelsea gap they make history and not in a good way as they announce losses of 262.4 million pound gab how big problem is this i think it's a seriously massive problem um they were already under a settlement agreement with uefa um and where they've had to pay a record fine yeah and if they breach again then you know they get all further punishment it's like a suspended sentence essentially right it is the largest loss in premier league history by a lot i I think the previous biggest was Manchester City in 2011, 2012. When they first started spending like maniacs, that was like$100 million.
31:49They spent$65 million on agents alone. They're not going to be in trouble with PSR because you can sell your women's team to yourself for$200 million. But UEFA don't allow that. So I think when they qualify for Europe again, I don't see how they can do this unless they dismantle the team or come up with some other strategy. Their relationship with UEFA is very good. Maybe that helps a little bit. But numbers-wise, I think it's really difficult to get out of this.
32:19Julien Laurens:And it shows again that they need Champions League football and that money for next season. Absolutely. Not making it would be a disaster. By the way, winning the Club World Cup netted them£86 million, but one-third of that amount has been counted already in this year. So they've got a lot less of a cushion going into next year. If you've shopped online, chances are you've bought from a business powered by Shopify. You know that purple ShopPay button you see at checkout? The one that makes buying so incredibly easy? That's Shopify. And there's a reason so many businesses sell with it. Because Shopify makes it incredibly easy to start and run your business.
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34:33Julien Laurens:Yeah, he was not happy, not happy at all. I think he was very honest, which is great. I have to say, I'm not a Cucurea fan, and it looks funny. But as a person, I am a massive fan for the honesty and the kindness. I agree. And basically, he's saying just what we've been saying for a while now about this Chelsea project, the youth, signing young players. He said, you know, that's the club policy, and that's fine. But then it caused problems against us, against a PhD foundation. He said we need more experience and clearly we didn't have it. He also talked about Maresca and the sacking of Maresca, which clearly he thinks it was a mistake.
35:10Julien Laurens:He had a massive impact on us because he had given them confidence. They won the club World Cup, they had that momentum and they were ready to die for him and to get rid of him like they did was wrong. He said I would have never made that mistake. When a player said you should have never sacked the coach that you sacked to his club, it's not good. And we heard Enzo Fernandes saying that he's not sure if he was going to be there after the World Cup. This again, heavily criticism of the club and the project is not good. And he's not, when he said Manezka should not have been sacked, he made it very clear.
35:41It's not like he's saying, oh, we should have been sacked because Rosinior's a dope. But he said, because you're bringing in a manager, we're playing twice a week. He doesn't have time to work with us. You know, he said we were playing almost automatically. Rosinior changed the system, obviously, which may be the right thing to do tactically. again i don't know if my next guy would have been allowed to change the system um but then they have to learn this new system on the fly with very few training sessions the ar congo also qualified for
36:08Julien Laurens:the world cup but gabby's fair to say that this was tougher than expected against andre blake and jamaica andre blake only jesus saves more than andre blake uh he didn't get to uh uh to twanzabe's goal in uh to his finish in in extra time um 52 years since congo zaya at the time I've been waiting for this. And then everybody knows they lost 9-0 in 1974 and the guy running out of the wall and whatever. I'm happy for them. Obviously, I'm sad because I like my Nigeria, but whatever. I'll be curious to see what they did. Jamaica, though, were really impressive, given how bad they've been, that they could hang with Congo for so long.
36:50It gives you at least a little base to build on. Ayman Hussain's strike early in the second half means Iraq is the 48th and final country to qualify thanks to 2-1 win over Bolivia Jules.
37:02Julien Laurens:Behind they were the better team Gabi I thought they were even unlucky to go to 1-1 after they took the lead amazing well done to them considering the context situation how they prepared or had to prepare for this it's an amazing story to have Iraq and Iran at the World Cup really outstanding achievement from them and and how they can go and enjoy it and do as well as they can but that was uh that was a massive win for them well in shallah we'll have them at the world cup yeah brazil big croatia 3-1 in their friendly as you go tiago gets his first uh goal for brazil and andrew came on the back came off the bench sorry to get a penalty gap uh yeah like he mixed things up um what you need to do he's got 90 odd players on his list that he's monitoring uh and neymar is even one of them for now I thought I was impressed with Croatia actually with with the way they played there's no such thing as packing in friendly Brazil then the creation players all know they're going to the World Cup there's nothing yeah so it's a different vibe penalty Hendrick so smart hooking is hooking is never paying he won wins the pen that way I don't know I yeah dark cards, man.
38:15Julien Laurens:Yeah. Argentina, I rolled past Zambia 5-0 but Jules, and this kind of surprised me. Leonel, obviously we're used to Leonel missing a spotlight, right? But he was the whole effing show in this. He was like Rob Van Damme. It was very good. He scored a great goal. That 1-2 in the box. The pass. The pass for the third one. Yeah, the pass as well for the third one. The diagonal. Argentina won a penalty after his pass to Thiago Almada. And everybody expected him to take it, but he gave it to Otamendi, which was a lovely gesture. I mean, he scored. This was very likely. I mean, we don't know yet, but this could have been Messi's last ever game for Argentina in Argentina itself.
38:54Julien Laurens:So maybe potentially very emotional. I love the fact that they play rubbish teams always before World Cups, you know, Mauritania and Zambia in this international break. This wasn't by choice. They do that for a reason. But no, they finally... And Qatar, of course. Yeah, of course. Trincao and João Felix are on the score sheet for Portugal to beat the United States 2-0 back-to-back defense now for Poch and the US main national team. Yeah, again, this was a mixed-up Portugal team. Although, of course, Bruno Fernandes played because he always plays. He's the energizer bunny. I thought the US looked a lot better than they did against Belgium.
39:27Would have been hard to look worse. Freeze and goal made a huge stop. This gives you the base. And Pochettino has to make it work from here. Kaoru Mitoma scores the only goal As Japan beat England at Wembley In their friendly 1-0 Jules, plenty of changes for both teams And obviously you have the Let's get back to the league type vibe I think one conclusion is I'm not sure we're going to see that Phil Foden at centre-forward experiment again
39:57Julien Laurens:I don't even know why we saw Phil Foden As the force number 9 in this game anyway It made no sense whatsoever I'll tell you why I'm going to put on my Tommy T hat Yeah? Yeah, choose Field Folden is very talented. Yeah. I'm not going to bring him in number 10 because I have Balingham and Cole Palmer and Morgan Rodgers. And because he played there and badly against Chiroguerite as well. Yes. Thank you. You pay closer attention to Fredlis than I do. So, my backup center forwards are not good, or they're a big bag. Why not try him there? No, I understand. I understand that he wasn't to try, and he was testing it again and things like that.
40:34Julien Laurens:But Folden has a force now in Palmers. as a 10 was never going to work. I don't even know why he thought about doing it in a game like that against the Japan team that might probably be the best squad they've ever had. And I think they will be great at the World Cup as well. And I know you love them and you live there and you always cheer for them. But I was very impressed with Japan and so disappointing by England again. And I know it was a very mixed team, which by the way, also takes us back outside of this game to Thomas Tuchel and what he wanted to do in this international break. Every, especially amongst the big countries, in the two games that they played, the ones that were friendlies, at least one of them was the strongest team and then you make a lot of changes for the second team or you rotate and things like that.
41:20Julien Laurens:With him, the two teams were mismatched teams because he took 35. Some were not due before the second game, but then some of them were injured like Kane and Saka and Rice could not play. We didn't see Bellingham. He also managed to annoy Bellingham. Yeah, of course. Not for the first time, by the way. So now you ended up with two games, none of them that you won against Uruguay and Japan, two teams that go to the World Cup. And by the way, the three games that you played against teams that are going to the World Cup, if you include Senegal from before, you haven't won any. You have only beaten teams outside of the top 20 FIFA rankings.
41:53Julien Laurens:And we just don't know more about, you know, players and team and structure and shape and all of that because the two teams were a mishmash of the teams. You know what else we don't know? And I was having this conversation with Augie yesterday. So he comes out and he says Harry Maguire. He's a fifth choice, center back. Okay, so that means Gay, fine. Kansa, Chalaba. Those presumably are the first three choices. Yeah, Stones. Stones at number four. Stones was made of paper and his injury record, which means he said if Stones is fit, he's world class. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, sure. If Stones is fit, yeah.
42:33But I feel like this is kind of slightly an underreported story because I think if everybody's fit for Manchester United, Maguire doesn't start. If everybody's fit for City, well, Stones is obviously a massive fitness question. Frankly, if everybody's fit for City, I'm not sure Gay starts. You might want to go grudge y 'all. In fact, if Stones is then fit, you know, we've got Manchester Ruben Diaz. And as you can't, there's a team that's free-falling, right? So, like, I think this is a major Achilles heel for England. I don't know what he can do about it at this stage.
43:07Julien Laurens:Newcastle CEO David Hopkinson says that the club need to sell well, I quote, and buy well, another quote, this summer. Gab, what does that mean? And some are reading this as Sandro Tonali and Anthony Gordon are on their way out. Which is obviously not what any Newcastle fan wants to hear. the reality is their account showed that they registered 133.1 million pounds in profit by selling the leasehold of the stadium to a sister company that's not going to fly with UEFA Alan said Maximan when he was sold to Al-Ajli or transfer there for 23 million pounds but again UEFA it's the same ownership so that counts as zero profit it um i think this is i think he's being honest and sometimes it might not be what they want to hear it might not be smart to come out and say hey come and get to nanny and gordon but people are going to know when you're in this situation right absolutely um but you have to come up with a good because after selling isaac for so much money newcastle fans are going to be asking wait a minute now we're we have this champions league run and and stuff like how are we in this situation again where we have to dismantle the team and right we'll get this another time but there's a broader issue and i keep repeating this nobody seems to care there's weight classes in football there are clubs that are simply bigger and will consistently generate more revenue and the polarization and the imbalance of resources is bigger than it's ever been and it's so much harder for newcastle or newcastle or everton or aston villa wherever you want to ever close the gap.
44:46But it's not to do, oh, everything fans don't like. It's like, oh, no, we're a massive club. Yeah, historically, you're a massive club. Historically, you could be Liverpool's equals in the 1980s and whatever. But right now, the system is stacked against you. Yeah.
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46:51Sonia Bompastor's red card and that blatant hair pull on Alyssa Thompson by Katie McCabe are the big talking points.
46:58Julien Laurens:They're massive because the red card obviously comes after that. Sonia Bompastor really angry and also he happens just in front of the benches, so in front of her. I mean, even on television, you saw his straight away. There was VAR again, like last week in the first leg where Bonpastor and Chelsea were not happy again. Shall we name the VAR? I looked her up. Or is it mean because this poor woman probably doesn't... I think she doesn't know how it works. It's not possible. She's probably a referee who has not had much training on VAR because most leagues don't have VAR in the women's game. It's as simple as that.
47:28Her name is Katrin Rafalski. Live and learn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But the referee and the linesman as well, and the fourth official, they're all standing there.
47:36Julien Laurens:100%. There's no way... Her head, your... It's so obvious. The fourth ref is right in front of it because she's obviously between the two benches. And it's a massive mistake that you could see why Chelsea are aggrieved. I don't know even if Mikekabe is sent off. It was an injury time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 85th minute, I think, or something like that. So I don't think it would have changed. Chelsea had chances to put more pressure on Arsenal. Arsenal had chances as well. I had a good goal ruled out, rightly so, for a tiny offside. So it was a good game. But if you're Chelsea over the two legs for what happened, referee-wise in the first leg and in the second leg, yeah, you feel harshly done.
48:12And I want to say the other thing that makes it so obvious is Katie McCabe... All right, so first of all, according to the rules, pure tactical foul. The other one, Alyssa Thompson's on a breakaway. It's a yellow card, right? But Katie McCabe knows she pulled her hair. Yeah, because she went straight in. Not just that, but she goes and apologizes several times after that. So you know she feels bad. And she knows how bad it is to pull her hair. Maybe she's had her hair pulled. Yeah, sure. what struck me about this too were two things one is and you watch a lot more women's football uh than i do but the level of what they call spit housery here and time wasting late in the game to preserve the lead you know taking the ball into the corner and just kind of standing there and like there's a level of physicality and intensity and dark arts you might say that that people often don't associate with the women's game.
49:07Certainly not in international football, which is what I watch the most when it comes to women. The other thing is, what's talking about Sonia Mampastor, she didn't get sent off. She was obviously angry over this. It seemed to me like she got sent off because the ball goes out of play and she runs onto the field. She tries to hand it over and stuff. She's shouting at the referee. And then she gets sent off, but she doesn't actually go down the tunnel.
49:30Julien Laurens:She waited the tunnel at Chelsea, as you know, obviously very well. is right by the benches so you can be in the tunnel and still be able to be close to the pitch. She does not look to me like somebody who is well right now, who is happy. She's under pressure and she knows it, obviously. Do you think she's going to be back next year? I hope so, because I think she's a great coach. It just didn't happen for them this season, not by much. I mean, the best bit was that in a post-match interview, I don't know if you saw it, she took a phone with her and actually showed during a post-match interview on television in the UK, the incident of the hair pulled and saying like how is this not already but like you know usually you talk about it but she put her phone and said i don't know if you can see on the camera but here again it's ridiculous decision and she was she was right but yeah i i fear for a future but you know we've spoken about this before you ever spoken about this about officiating in the women's game is and some managers have come out and said no send us the best officials otherwise you're being disrespectful well i'm sorry we want to develop women officials and women var's they have to be given a chance as well yeah yeah and the reality is just far fewer women officials to pick from than there are male officials yeah and also we play in the semifinal the winner of lyon uh against waltzburg and you're going to that game yeah i do the french coverage presentation so you can watch that tonight sticking with chelsea's woman gab they They posted record revenues of£21.3 million for this year.
51:00Yes, apparently it was a 90 % increase, something like that.
51:04Julien Laurens:That's impressive, very impressive. Yeah, and then you realize they made a£17.1 million loss. Sure. And also, it's because of£16 million in sponsorship. You don't know, which is funny when you think about Chelsea's shirt sponsor and how long it took them to get the number they wanted. there's obviously money coming in but it's also any business where your revenues are 21.3 million and you know when your revenues are what 60 percent of your losses um or sorry of your of your costs rather yeah uh that's not sustainable long term um so we'll see we'll see how this goes if you have the team that's with the highest revenue that's in this situation might also explain why there's been you know suggestions that sam kerr for example might be moving on right and leaving last year um we'll we'll see how that goes yeah still in the women's champions league bayern have to score late to knock out manchester united jules this time was level on aggregate until nine minutes from the end some some love from for united women yeah absolutely I thought they played well, especially in the first half.
52:16Julien Laurens:Melvin Malar, Paris born and bred, of course, with the goal. She's had an amazing season. And then it felt to me, that second half, that they just dropped deeper and defended and defended. And the game was at the Allianz Arena. Loads of fans there, great atmosphere. And Bayern are a very good team, obviously. They hadn't qualified for the Champions League semifinal for five years now, but they're very good and they pushed, they pushed. And you knew the goal was coming.
52:41Julien Laurens:There In the end, two goals on set pieces. The first one straight away, the second one on the second phase of set piece. Was just too much, I think, for United to maybe just try to defend that lead a little bit too much, I thought, too early, certainly, instead of keeping playing maybe and going for a second because that goal was extra time, not winning for them. So it's good to be 1-0 up, but you felt that even if he'd gone to extra time, that they would have struggled even more there. So maybe the game plan was not the best. It's been a great run for them in the Champions League. They might not make it next season.
53:17Julien Laurens:One of them, Chelsea or Arsenal, but probably more them or Chelsea will not make it. So that'd be big if they don't. And for those who don't know, who don't know the history of women's football in England, Manchester United historically have not invested in women's football the way City and Chelsea have done and the way Arsenal have done for the last 20-odd years. So they are still playing catch-up in terms of institutional memory, in terms of history, in terms of team building. Yeah, completely. Meanwhile, Gab, Everton have sold their women's team for 49 million, 49 pounds. Sorry, there should be.
53:51You forgot the end. It is million. I wasn't sure anymore.
53:53Julien Laurens:49 million pounds. Yeah, and they sold it to who? To themselves. Yeah. Again, they're not the only ones who've done this. Obviously, Chelsea famously did it for 200 million and whatever. Look, they do this because in England, this helps the Everton men's team with profit and sustainability rules. It doesn't fly with UEFA, so if Everton qualify for Europe, they will have a 49 million pound hole in there. Premier League wanted to close the loophole, but the team said, well, no, we're not going to allow this because if Chelsea took advantage of it, it's an easy way for us to take advantage of this as well.
54:32So we want to be able to do this. It's completely wrong and nonsensical. um and the numbers they're they're assessed some sort of fair value maybe 49 million is fair value but the idea that you're doing this simply for an accounting reason yeah um should let you should just let you know that that something's wrong yeah absolutely germany put out a strong team and be ghana 2-1 jules but i don't think we're gonna see auto addo again no you're right he's
55:00Julien Laurens:been sacked as the Ghana head coach. They lost the game before 5-1 as well. Not good at all, despite qualifying for the World Cup, by the way. So they will be there, but he will be without. Otto Addo, a name that I was mentioning to me this week to replace him is Herve Renaud, who's currently with Saudi Arabia. So I know he sounds a little bit weird, although... With his daughter Wendy as assistant? Maybe. Why not? He seems like he's going to leave Saudi Arabia, which is a bit weird, three months before the world cup but hey uh you know why not and then that he might take over as the ghana head coach so we might see arve renal again at the world cup with another different country you say it sounds weird i will say this i am fairly sure because obviously roberto mancini's salary when he was yeah saudi was was was known to everyone i'm fairly sure saudi arabia can pay their national team coach far more than Ghana can.
55:56So, I love this because Herb Renard is obviously a handsome man, flowing locks, romantic. I feel like this is a romantic decision. I love that you're saying that way. He's built such a, he's built his CV in Africa, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So he goes back.
56:10Julien Laurens:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I'm with you. And, I think you could look at Ghana's better squad probably than Saudi right now. Yeah, no. Arguably, yeah. Arguably so. So, Napoli had given Romelu Lukaku a deadline of Tuesday morning to return to the training ground. Remember, we told you that story on Monday's show. Gab, did he show up? And what's going to happen next night? He did not show up. I know. Shocking. He's still recovering from his injury in Belgium. I think what's next at this point, strong suggestion that he's going to be suspended from the squad. He has a year left on his contract.
56:45People are talking about him returning to Anderlecht, where the magic all began when he was 16 years old he makes a ton of money he's an enormous salary for one year um there's obviously been a big breakdown Conte has not weighed in on this yeah if Napoli are doing this without Conte is okay you know you know there will be hell to pay yeah equally look he wants to be fit it could be his last world cup so he decided to continue his treatment in Belgium you remember he first joined up with the Belgian national team they said no big Rome you're not fit you need to get better and he said, fine, I'll take my treatment here in Belgium.
57:21You could make the argument from Napoli's perspective. I'm sorry, Napoli, what do you care? He's unfit. Anyway, he's getting treatment. What do you care if he gets it in Belgium or in Niko? So could this be an excuse to see if they can save him some money on his salary next season? I don't know. I just know that Napoli do not, you know, they don't necessarily need Lukaku in the run-up, although it would be good to have because Hoyland's there and whatever, but they don't need this distraction and they don't need, again, we haven't heard from Conte. Yeah. But Conte and Lukaku have historically been very, very close.
57:54So let's see how that plays out. Iran beat Costa Rica 5-0 in their friendly in Turkey as Mediterranea shines, Jules. Gianni Fantino, the FIFA president, was there. He was, yeah. He was asked by the guy from France Press. And by the way, there was almost, I think he was like the only journalist in the media blackout. No offense. Anyway, and he was asked what's going to happen to Iran. And Johnny said, I quote, Iran will be at the World Cup. That's why we're here. We're delighted because they're a very, very strong team. I'm very happy. Do you believe him? Do you want to believe him? I want to believe him, Gabi.
58:29Julien Laurens:Do you think he knows? He doesn't know. Obviously, nobody knows what's going to happen in the next few weeks, few months, and what will be the situation comes June, early June, end of May even, when the Iran players just get together and get ready in a camp like every other nation that will take part in the in the world cup we don't know we want them to be there it'd be amazing for them if we give i think some hope and some happiness to iranians all around the world sure there's a strong community obviously in the u.s too so that would be wonderful if they could be but right now jani or anybody else uh can say for sure that they will be at the world cup yeah i think he's going to do everything to push this obviously because if they don't go they're also going to have a slot as well the political significance of of having of having iran mayor the fact that i think that's part of the reason my fifa were so invested in organizing these two friendly saying we can get iranian players together uh iranian coaches the the the the reze is the assistant coach the other one is the guy whose name escapes me right now but who who was at bolton many years ago um we can put the team together yeah obviously all it takes is the Iranian FA saying like, no, you're not, we're not going to the World Cup.
59:45That could happen. There's a lot of things that can happen. But we, well, I think like all of us, we hope for peace and that they can be there. Yeah.
59:53Julien Laurens:Several countries are worried that the 2026 World Cup will actually cost them money. Gab, how is this even possible? Yeah, it's not just several countries. It's several big, wealthy European FA's. Basically, okay. So if you're playing your games in the US, we've explained this before. FIFA normally, they negotiate to exempt you from taxes. That hasn't happened in this World Cup. You'd have to negotiate with the individual states, and they all have different tax regimes and stuff like that. On top of that, the prize money is up 50 % compared to Qatar. But guess what? The teams are also up 50 % compared to Qatar, and there's this thing called inflation.
1:00:32So obviously that certainly seeps away of it. Another one is the cost in Qatar. We're actually really low for the teams because there was no travel no movement how can i say this nicely um a lot of those hotels were and then training facilities were at pretty favorable rates yeah many times they were shared between different national teams as well um that's not the case in the us the daily allowance um i didn't know this but in cutter it was 850 dollars uh per player uh or per delegate i guess now it's down to$600 that's FIFA who decided that yeah I think that's the money that they give to the FAs to pay for the team costs and on top of that the US is a really expensive country right now it's more expensive than Qatar obviously to begin with we've seen it through the fan lens as well so yeah so they're telling FIFA I mean one country I think it's France but not confirmed we're going to lose money unless we reach the semi-final which i don't know again who knows how you account for it and you can say but we gain in terms of image and sponsors whatever um but it just seems odd that you would be in this situation especially when you johnny fantino have built your case to be president on the fact that look i generate so much money for for for fifa yeah um final point uefa trolling fifa letting it be known that they're freezing tickets for the next Euros and making the points that you can go and watch the cheapest ticket categories at the Euros which by the way will be here in England you can go and watch two games for the, sorry you can buy two tickets to a game for less than the price of parking at a World Cup game, how about that Jules this brings us to an end, we gotta come back on Monday, Easter Monday yeah Easter Monday, I'll be celebrating it with you.
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