In short
The episode is an ESPN FC studio discussion focused on two football storylines: Andoni Iraola’s official appointment as Liverpool head coach, and the wider Spanish/World Cup context (including Real Madrid politics and Spain/France group expectations).
Guests
Alex Kirkland (Spanish angle on Iraola; discusses Basque/Spanish coaches in the Premier League, Iraola’s career path from Mirandés/Rayo/Bournemouth, and Liverpool’s pressure/squad issues) and Frank Leboeuf (World Cup group-stage concerns for France after a friendly loss; emphasizes schedule and Norway’s threat).
Key claims
Iraola is seen in Spain as a bigger step than expected, with Liverpool likely needing patience despite a “flat” season and major departures (Mo Salah) and aging (Virgil van Dijk). Iraola’s “two-year contract” approach is linked to his belief in coaching “shelf life” and planned cycles.
Notable examples
Bournemouth’s rebuild and near-Champions-League push; comparisons to Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal transition; Real Madrid election campaign talk about signing Erling Haaland (denied by Haaland’s camp) and Jose Mourinho’s nostalgia-based messaging; Spain’s World Cup group (Cape Verde, Saudi Arabia, Uruguay) and injury-management expectations; France’s group (Senegal, Iraq, Norway) after losing 2-1 to Ivory Coast.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIraola Officially Joins Liverpool
1:19 to 1:54
Discussion about Andoni Iraola's appointment as Liverpool's new head coach.
“Hello and welcome into the latest edition of ESPN FC.”
Expectations and Challenges Ahead
1:54 to 3:16
Evaluating the expectations and challenges Iraola faces at Liverpool.
“Liverpool gives me the chance to coach top players, and top players give you the chance to fight for titles, to win titles.”
Analyzing Iraola's Coaching Career
3:16 to 6:00
An examination of Iraola's coaching style and previous success.
“And so it's going to be a different level of pressure, of scrutiny than he's used to.”
The Future of Liverpool Under Iraola
6:00 to 8:08
Discussion about how Iraola can revitalize Liverpool's performance.
“Let's keep in mind where Bournemouth were when he took over.”
Latest News from Spain
10:59 to 14:00
Covering updates on Spanish football, including Haaland rumors.
“OK, let's get to some more news coming from Spain because obviously it was a very busy night yesterday, although Alex was at a Bad Bunny concert.”
The Future of Florentino Perez
14:00 to 15:23
Discussion on Rodri and Harland's camps, and Perez's strong position.
“You know, I'm going to sign him, I'm going to sign him.”
Mourinho's Return and Its Implications
15:23 to 17:46
Analyzing the nostalgia and implications of Mourinho's appointment.
“Let's talk about the reaction to Mourinho being announced here from the other side of the party.”
Challenges Facing Mourinho at Real Madrid
17:46 to 20:20
Exploring the challenges Mourinho will face, including player discipline.
“You've watched them so closely last year.”
Vinicius Junior's Contract Dilemma
20:20 to 23:12
Discussing the impact of Vinicius Junior's contract situation on the team.
“I want to see Mourinho take hold of this dressing room and the players to follow that.”
Florentino Perez's Media Appearance
23:12 to 24:27
Perez makes important announcements about potential signings on live TV.
“You know, all the noises from Florentino Perez, for example, during this campaign have been, I would like Vinicius Jr.”
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Spain's World Cup Preparation and Concerns
24:27 to 27:49
Analyzing Spain's recent friendly and concerns ahead of the World Cup.
“They were up against Iraq and they're preparing for their World Cup group stage games.”
Spain's World Cup History and Expectations
27:49 to 28:00
Reflecting on Spain's World Cup history and current expectations.
“So Spain are in that position that they're strong enough, and with the teams that they're going to play, that they can do that.”
Spain's World Cup Journey
28:00 to 29:20
Explore Spain's recent World Cup performances and their strong showing at Euro 2024.
“for match day one or maybe even match day two because of the scenario of how many teams and how strong Spain are.”
Mystery Transfers in Football
29:20 to 30:40
Discussion on the potential upcoming player transfers involving Real Madrid.
“we do need some more updates from the Unexplained Mystery show that Florentino Perez is featuring on right now.”
France's World Cup Group Challenges
31:21 to 36:28
Analyzing France's challenges in their World Cup group, including Senegal and Norway.
“Here's how France, one of the favorites in the World Cops group, Keep eye locks.”
Superstitions and Expectations
36:28 to 39:28
Discussing past World Cup experiences and the pressure on teams like France.
“Franz Beckenbauer in 1990 with West Germany.”
World Cup Surprises and Predictions
39:28 to 42:05
Speculating on potential surprises in the upcoming World Cup and discussing past outcomes.
“We didn't expect him to get so worked up about the kilt.”
World Cup Surprises and Historical Context
42:05 to 43:58
Exploration of unexpected teams in World Cup history and past performances.
“got Burley's name written all over it what is that Thursday oh generally I've got the flu in a Thursday I feel it coming on.”
Barcelona's Striker Dilemma
43:58 to 45:29
Discussion on whether Barcelona should seek a pure number nine to replace Lewandowski.
“Greg, should Barcelona target a pure number nine striker to replace Lewandowski like Ossiman or Vlavic?”
The Importance of Man Management in National Teams
45:29 to 47:58
Analyzing how national team managers emphasize man management over tactics.
“Frank, it seems that national team managers have to be experts at man management rather than tactics.”
Eric Cantona's Controversial Selection
47:58 to 50:09
Discussion about Eric Cantona's exclusion from the French national team and its implications.
“and you get lumbered with some of those players that you don't want.”
Mbappé's Role in PSG's Champions League Struggles
50:09 to 54:06
Debate about Kylian Mbappé's impact on PSG's performance in the Champions League.
“because he wanted to make sure that the chemistry was the only thing that he wanted to have.”
Goalkeeper Selection for Spain's National Team
54:06 to 55:56
Examining the reasons behind Unai Simon's selection as Spain's goalkeeper.
“For Xhaka, David Raya and Joan Garcia were this year's Golden Glove and Championship winners in England and Spain.”
World Cup Expectations and Team Dynamics
56:00 to 58:19
Discussing expectations and personal plans regarding the World Cup selection.
“No I mean I don't mean this to sound bad but I mean most of us knew we were going and most of us knew we were playing.”
Goalkeeping Challenges and Scottish Heritage
58:20 to 1:02:19
Conversation about goalkeeping challenges and light-hearted cultural references.
“But then Kelvin Jack, and again, to his credit, once he got the shirt, he kept it.”
Transcript
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1:19Hello and welcome into the latest edition of ESPN FC. Kay Murray, Craig Burley and Shaka Hislop here in the studio. As we speak, as we go to air, Florentino Perez is speaking right now in Spain. Because obviously we went through all of this yesterday. We will be revisiting. I just ran yesterday's show. We can go home. There's no doubt some more updates with Florentino Perez speaking right now. So a little later on in the show, Alex Kirkland will be joining us, but we're going to get to some more concrete information right now. Told you yesterday. Oh, OK. All right. It's science. Andoni Iraiola, it's official.
1:53He is Liverpool's new head coach, and this is what he's had to say about it. Liverpool gives me the chance to coach top players, and top players give you the chance to fight for titles, to win titles. Obviously when you arrive at a place you cannot promise everything, but it's true that I understand where I'm coming and what is expected. So Alex Kirkland is joining us right now because we want to get the Spanish angle on Irreola coming in at Liverpool. We talked about it a lot here in the studio, Alex. And one of the feelings was that even though we know he's in high demand and everybody really respects everything he's done so far, this is a big step up for him.
2:29How is it being viewed in Spain? Yeah, a lot of excitement and people loving here, of course, the sort of the dominance of Spanish coaches and Basque coaches in particular in the Premier League with Mikel Arteta, Xabi Alonso, Unai Emery and now Ira Ola as well. People, I think, accept that this is a big challenge. I think as far as I'm concerned, it's maybe a slightly bigger step than I would have thought. Ira Ola has been very careful, I think, to sort of manage his career so far in terms of the choices he's made. You know, here in Spain, he was at Mirandes, a small club in the second division, did well.
3:02Went to Rayo, a small club in the first division, did well. Went to Bournemouth. Everybody knows about the job that he's done there. I think I knew that he was going to go to a big club next because the job that he's done. But Liverpool, I mean, it doesn't get much, much bigger than this, really. And so it's going to be a different level of pressure, of scrutiny than he's used to. We know at Bournemouth and at his other clubs as well, it took a little while for him to get his ideas across because he's got quite a particular vision of how he wants his players to play. Of course, communication now, not as much of an issue because his English has improved in his time at Bournemouth.
3:32But people here are really fascinated to see, I think, how he does at Liverpool and how he competes next season. Like I say, against Xabi Alonso at Chelsea, against Mikel Arteta at Arsenal as well. It's officially official. And now we can start putting the work in. Obviously, a lot of the... Well, now we can call Stevie. She's day off today. So it's five o 'clock. So we'll phone him and get him out of his bed. Yeah, it's all right. Because he can still be in his bed, you know. We'll phone him and tell him that Andoni Arreola has been announced and you can get up. But it is exciting for him and I think he's ready for that next step.
4:04And he has done a magnificent job at Bournemouth. Look at the players they sold. Zabanie, Hoisin, Semenyo, Kerkes, Kotara. The list goes on and yet, yeah, the club signed well, but he still had to gel those players together. Almost got them in the Champions League. This is the next step, but it's a huge step, as Alex said. this club, like most of the elite clubs in England, the eyes are on you, they demand success and they don't generally get a lot of time. Can I contradict myself here? I've always said Liverpool are a pretty patient club. That was the reason I think when Stevie and I were talking, we thought that Arne Slott may have stayed.
4:48And I think Roy Hodgson, Arne Slott, there's one or two anomalies out there where they've got ready managers relatively quickly. Obviously, Slott had some great success. The second season, not so much. But I think Andoni Areola, barring a disaster, will get plenty of time. Because that's the way generally, generally Liverpool operate. However, at the moment, it's flat, isn't it? So he's going into a club that's got some very good players, some ageing players, not the deepest of squads, but it's very flat after the season they just have. So they have to have a good summer in terms of signings, obviously difficult because there's a World Cup.
5:26And then he has to get as much time as possible to work with them, but most managers are in the same boat. And I think it's just one of those appointments that from the outside here we sit and go, this could be really exciting. And I think if I was a Liverpool fan, I would be quite excited and looking forward to next season. and what Andoni Areola can bring to Liverpool Football Club and the team? Because there's no doubt they do need an injection of something, a spark to get them going because they were really flat this year. I think it's a really good appointment for a number of reasons. I spoke about Areola's kind of track record with Bournemouth.
6:04Let's keep in mind where Bournemouth were when he took over. You were talking about it a couple of weeks ago, Gary O 'Neill, just trying to stay up. What was the remit? He's built this team. all of a sudden into a side that's challenging the top six, looking to get into European places from that start. And I think that warrants Areola being given a chance. And now there's a tried and tested method, for the most part, in big clubs seeking out managers. You take a small club, you're successful, you're challenging at the top, maybe you win a smaller trophy, be it domestic or European, and that warrants the chance being taken.
6:41while Iriola hasn't won that silverware. Again, kind of given where Bournemouth will, where they are now, the football they play, everything that's kind of gone against him and he's been able to battle against that current, I think it's a good signing. And Craig spoke about the patience may be needed. Maybe it's needed again for Liverpool here, despite the club we're talking about. Just lost their talisman in Mo Salah. Virgil van Dijk is ageing. A lot of big signings have not performed well. so it's a job for Iriola to tune around this Liverpool to one that challenges at his top. He's way more qualified than what Mikko Latteta was when he took over at Arsenal because Mikko Latteta was coming from a coaching scenario backroom staff into the hot seat and Arsenal were patient and they spent a lot of money and they built and they built slowly and they found success eventually and so if you're looking at Iriola and say well Liverpool he's not ready he's more ready than Mikko Leteta was by quite some stretch.
7:45That's not any guarantee that he's going to go in there and he's going to bring his magic. Good signings, getting more out of Gravenberg and McAllister who are poor, finding a partner for Van Dijk and obviously replacing Mo Salah and one of the most important things, finding a way to make Florian Veltz tick. I think that's super important. Yeah, absolutely. When we talk about patience, and don't worry if you don't know this, Alex, but something that stood out is that this manager only signs two-year contracts, it would seem. Do you know anything about that? yeah well I mentioned he's been very careful in terms of how he's planned his career so far I think he's got a really quite clear long-term plan as well he's talked in the past about how he thinks that coaches at clubs have a shelf life that you know their message their way of getting through to players of working with players can only last a certain amount of time he's talked about kind of three-year cycles or something that was being sort of the ideal length of time to be at a football club he's talked about you know not being a coach forever but really sort of looking at the next kind of 10 years or something like that.
8:49So it doesn't surprise me that that's the length of the deal. I think he's quite pragmatic, like I say, about the ideal length of time for a coach to be working with a group of players and that it doesn't go stale and that you can keep things fresh. You know, we know about his long-term plan. At some point, he'll come back to Spain. He'll go to Bill Bowen to coach Athletic Club. He's always seen that, I think, as being sort of almost like an end point for the coaching journey. You know, it might be his last job, something like that, not something he wants to take on too soon. But no, it doesn't surprise me.
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11:26We wish all the best for both candidates in the Real Madrid elections. Enrique Riquelme on promising to sign Erling Haaland has this to say. I signed a legally binding notarized documented guarantee that I'll sign Erling Haaland. I've spoken to Haaland directly and I've spoken with his inner circle. He will join Real Madrid if I'm elected on Sunday. Denial? It's normal. It's an election. There are two candidates. No one is guaranteed to win and they have to protect the player. It seems normal to me. Remember the Figo case? Figo himself said in all the media outlets that he wasn't coming. I understand this.
12:00I don't take it personally. It's part of the world of sports. The world of football and it's totally fine. Well, I mean, Alex, is it totally fine? Yeah, I think Raquel, to be honest, I've got to say, my perspective is, I think he's handled himself really well, mostly in this campaign. I think he's had a near impossible task in terms of challenging Florentino Perez. The biggest challenge for him has been getting his name out there, firstly, in terms of name recognition, people knowing who he is and what he's all about. Because, you know, Florentino, everybody knows. Raquel was an unknown, really, here in Spain.
12:32He isn't anymore. He's been doing this press tour. He's been going on the biggest TV shows in Spain, the biggest podcasts in Spain. He's been traveling around the country today, meeting Peña's fan groups as well. I think he's handled it pretty well. In terms of the strategy of the campaign, the names he's put out there, I think he's chosen wisely. In terms of club legends like Raul, like Fernando Hierro, like Ike Casillas, who he said would be part of his team as well. And then in terms of the big signings, the big names, I don't think he has much bigger than Erling Haaland and Rodri. I agree with what he says in that the denials don't surprise me at all.
13:07I think that's inevitable. I think you're always going to get that. He mentioned the similarities with the famous Luis Figo case with Florentino back in 2000. And there were denials then as well. And Figo did indeed join Real Madrid from Barcelona. I'm not saying that Haaland and Rodri are going to join Real Madrid. I'm not sure that they will. But the denials themselves do not surprise me. And I know it might sound outlandish, but all I would say is that Raquel May... This is a serious guy. This is a very successful businessman who's got to where he's got to in his field of renewable energy. He's 37 years old.
13:37He's got this company, International, hundreds of millions of dollars, just to get into this position to be in this race, to meet the requirements. He had to get to a bank guarantee worth hundreds of millions of euros. And he got that based on his wealth and that of his company. This is a serious guy. And so I don't think, and I've been led to believe from talking to people, that he's going around making these things up. there have been conversations with Rodri's camp there have been conversations with Harland's camp as well now all of that said I don't think he's going to win I think Florentino Perez is going to win but I think Raquel has put himself in a very strong position for the post-Florentino era whenever that is if it's in four years time or sooner or later I think he's put himself in a really good position and I think almost everything that he's said with one or two missteps I think have been the right things That's what I was going to ask Alex if there was any scenario where he was going to win because otherwise we just keep batting this around the houses, don't we?
14:35You know, I'm going to sign him, I'm going to sign him. You know, at the end of the day, you know, it's very much a moot point if Florentino Perez is going to be the president again. You know, so, you know, as Alex said, maybe there's a longer game here for this particular guy. But that's the big one for me. I mean, I think it was just pointless having a discussion about if Florentino Perez is a 90 % chance I've gone to win it, unless there's a big surprise comes up, you know? I don't know. I don't know how all this operates. To be honest, I'm fed up with this crap about Spain. Honestly, just get on with it.
15:09It's like, I've got the World Cup we think about, Shaq. Yeah, and we know you can't wait for that. Let's talk about the other side. I'll sign him and I'll sign him and I'll sign him. Florentino Perez, who did put out on the Florentino 2026 campaign, Alex, the video of Jose Mourinho saying C. Let's talk about the reaction to Mourinho being announced here from the other side of the party. And, yeah, there was another video today from Florentino's camp based around that famous Mourinho press conference, the Porqué, the Why press conference, after they were beaten by Barcelona in the Champions League all those years ago.
15:44And Mourinho came out in one of the most famous presser appearances ever at the Bernabeu and sort of talking about why Barcelona, in his mind always got these games and these decisions going their way. And it was a spin on that saying basically why have we chosen Jose Mourinho? And it talked about his leadership, his competitiveness, the trophies that he's won, how he defended Real Madrid in the past. It's something we've talked about before. I know that Sid Lowe's talked about it as well, but it really does feel like this appointment is based around nostalgia for the past, for the previous Mourinho era, which was a long time ago from 2010 to 2013.
16:19and it was worth sort of picking up on that post that I mentioned, talking about his achievements and it had clips of him on the touchline. It was all focused on the Mourinho of 15 years ago, 10 or more years ago, not the Mourinho of today. It was Mourinho's golden era, which it feels like is in the past. Look, he's always been a divisive figure among Real Madrid fans and in Spanish football. A lot of people absolutely love him. They worship him. They loved what he did in terms of standing up to Pep Guardiola's Barcelona. And other Real Madrid fans, including Enrique Raquelma, who's talked about this during this campaign, say they kind of weren't as comfortable with the way that he conducted himself and whether he fit in with the values of what they consider Real Madrid to represent.
17:00I've got to say, as a neutral, as a journalist, as someone who, you know, for me, it's all about, obviously, the stories. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be box office. It's going to be brilliant having Jose Mourinho back here. That's not the same thing as saying that he's going to be a success as a coach, because I'm not sure if he is. I mean, it is going to be box office, let's be honest. that is going to happen. Always is with Jose Mourinho. Listen, I still have my doubts as to whether Jose Mourinho is the right choice. You can make that argument, kind of give him somebody indisciplined within that dressing room.
17:31But in terms of maybe getting that dressing room back in line, you make that argument in terms of delivering silverware that Real Madrid have now gone two seasons without. I'm not sure he's the right choice. A step in the right direction, but not far enough where where real madrid want to be it's been some time since josé has lifted silverware um and i i kind of have my concerns given how how well barcelona can continue to run but um florentino perez has kind of staked his claim here with josie we see how it pans out um but again i'm not overly convinced what would you like to see him do with this real madrid team that he'd be inheriting here, Craig?
18:13You've watched them so closely last year. You've seen all their troubles. Well, I'd like to see them play some better football, but that's not a managerial appointment that would accelerate that process. Certainly not if history would tell you anything. But I'd like to see them get a hold of the dressing room and be the beacon of strength. And I would like to see Florentino Perez have the managers back, which he probably did with Ancelotti because he really respected him and rightly so and probably didn't so much with Xabi Alonso and therefore the player power and the egos within that dressing room they ran amok.
18:58The lunatics were running the asylum in the end. Players were not quite doing what they wanted but quite close to it. Even under Arboloh it was kind of similar because they knew he was pretty weak in that position. So I'd like to see a manager at least have the strength to get the dressing room together because without a dressing room together, fighting in the same direction for a common goal and all that sort of cliche, which Barcelona are, then success is going to be difficult. So you can't, it's almost like you've got to learn to walk before you can run. And it's the basics in football. Always start with hard work.
19:34They always start with the dressing room, with the squad. Not an individual. People may think, yeah, Rimbabwe, yeah, Messi, blah, blah. They all had support network. Messi had support networks. Argentina didn't win the World Cup because of Messi. They won it because they had Messi and a bunch of other good players, particularly hard-working players. And that balance was right. Scaloni got it right. And so it all starts with the basics. The respect, the dressing room, the training, the work rate. And then after that, the talent comes through. Real Madrid, some of their players think it works the opposite way.
20:09And if Mourinho can't get the players to dial into that and Hansi Fleck and Barcelona continue to do what they're doing, Real Madrid will play second fiddle at best again. So that's what I'd like to see. I want to see Mourinho take hold of this dressing room and the players to follow that. Not the players to say, we don't do it that way. We didn't like what Xabi Alonso was doing. We didn't like what Carlo Ancelotti was doing. in the last season. We do it our way. If that's the case, more problems are ahead for Real Madrid. So my concern around that, and Craig's absolutely right, but you've got a Kylian Mbappé and there's been a stat making the rounds about how infrequently he defends as compared to everybody else in world football, it seems.
20:54And he'll do the same thing for France in the summer. And he'll be allowed to do it. But Deschamps has a way of putting the pieces around Kylian Mbappé to make it work for France. We saw that in 2018. we saw that again in 2022 do Real Madrid have have have those pieces again I'm not sure a national team setting very different from a club setting you've also got Vinicius Jr. who as far as I'm aware has not signed a new contract has a year to go that's an issue so now as much as Mourinho may want to come in and kind of you know rule with an iron fist and get the discipline right Vinicius could just throw his hands up and say well listen I'm gone in a year anyway So how do you manage that with those two players, two very different circumstances, but huge problems that between Ancelotti and Xavi Alonso, they just have not been able to figure out?
21:50Alex maybe can answer this. How do you manage, Alex, the situation, for starters, with a player in Vinicius Junior who has had his issues in the last 18 months, both on and off the field, with managers and the crowd and his form? How do you manage a relationship between himself and the potential new manager, bearing in mind the incident we saw that was very public in the game against Benfica, and Mourinho's words in the preceding 48 hours after that. How do you reconcile that with this player? I think it's difficult, and the Vinicius Junior situation is incredibly delicate, given he's coming up to having just one year left in his contract.
22:35We've been told there'll be nothing done until after the World Cup. It's the World Cup in which Vinicius could. He could star for Brazil. He could strengthen his hand in those negotiations. He could flop with Brazil and potentially weaken his hands, and Real Madrid have a decision to make. I think that despite all that happened in terms of that confrontation around the Benfica game, I think that Jose Mourinho would love to get a count on Vinicius Junior. But up to what point can you do that when you're into the last year of your contract and you're a player of this caliber? I think Real Madrid have a huge decision to make ahead of next season in terms of do they give him a new deal?
23:07I think that's still probably the most likely scenario. But right now we can't rule anything out because like I say, the clock is ticking. There is no movement. You know, all the noises from Florentino Perez, for example, during this campaign have been, I would like Vinicius Jr. to stay. But that's all he said. I would like him to stay. He hasn't said he will stay. Any updates so far on Florentino Perez tonight, Alex? I should say, so as we're speaking, he's live on Spanish TV. He's on the TV set that's next to me. I can't do justice, Kay, to what this programme is that he's appearing on. It's not something I tend to watch.
23:40It's a show that I'm told deals with unexplained kind of mysteries, unsolved cases, UFOs. There are a lot of jokes that we could make that we probably shouldn't. But Florenton and Brose is live on that show right now being interviewed. It's a problem that lasts three hours. I just checked the TV guide. He's still talking. He has said that he will sign Denzel Dumfries, the inter-wingback who had been trailed in the last few days. So that's the second signing that he has sort of made official for his campaign alongside Ibrahim Akonate. He's talked about signing a star, talked about signing a midfielder.
24:12But as I talk to you right now, he hasn't given that name, Kay. But I'm going to keep watching because he might be there for a while yet. Unexplained mysteries. X-Files brought their appearances all, apparently. Might start explaining a little bit of what's gone on the last two years with Real Madrid. OK, let's talk a little bit about Spain because we've got to see them in friendly action. We are seeing these World Cup warm-ups. They were up against Iraq and they're preparing for their World Cup group stage games. 16th minute we saw a Barcelona connection between Dani Almo and Ferran Torres. This was the opening goal.
24:45It's a great run by Ferran Torres, nicely exchanged with Almo in the midfield. Iraq cannot stay with Spain in the midfield and then nice run by Almo to drag one defender, great finish by Ferran Torres at the end of it all. But Iraq would find a level here through Mirkastowski. I've got to give him a lot of credit and say there's nobody to cross that to. I think he spots That's the keeper. Jack, does he? He does. Just slightly. Is it Unai Simon? Yes. Who has a tendency to creep off his leg. Oh, it's Jean Garcia. So here is the World Cup group for Spain. Cape Verde, Saudi Arabia and Uruguay. And Alex is still with us to talk a little bit more about the expectations here and what concerns there could be for Spain.
25:29Because obviously they are one of the favourites. But being on the ground there in Spain, I wonder what you're hearing about maybe potential concerns with this team. every question to coach Luis de la Fuente the first one in every press conference is about the injured players the recovering players about Lamin Yamal about Mikel Marino about Nico Williams as well the players that aren't fully fit he keeps saying he keeps insisting they will be fit for the first game he always caveats that by saying they might not start the first game of the World Cup but he says they will be fit they will be available at least to play the game with the friendly with the Raqq was a funny one because a lot of the players that actually were involved aren't going to the World Cup with Spain.
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26:10They've had this group of young support players, they call them here, with the squad to help in training, to make up the numbers, to help with that process. A lot of them play tonight. You know, players like Gonzalo Garcia of Real Madrid, Mark Bernal of Barcelona, they were involved tonight. They're not going to the World Cup, which is slightly strange. It makes it feel like it was almost sort of a prize, a reward for them kind of being part of this training camp. But I'm not sure how beneficial it is to the country. And so as the final one, I should say, Kate, as well, Florentino's still speaking on TV here.
26:37And he was just saying that on Tuesday, he said, he will make what will be a club record bid for a player around 150 million euros, he said. At least at that point, he hadn't said a name. And, of course, it just happens that on Tuesday is after the election campaign has finished. So by then, either he will have been elected president or not. So let's see. Erling Haaland. Erling Haaland, obviously, of course. Now, to go back to the Spain scenario, you've got these injured players. has Laminia Mal been the sort of biggest star? You know, how fit he's going to be at the World Cup remains to be seen.
27:11But when you're a Spain or a France or one of the stronger teams, particularly now with the way this World Cup is with 48 teams, there's a lot of weak teams. You're going to hear me say that a lot during this World Cup. So there is a pressure. Of course there's a pressure. You don't want a sort of potential banana skin slip up and you're out. It's happened before. I think it's unlikely. so Spain could probably bed their players in, don't have to rush the injured ones as much, and almost look ahead to the knockout games come early July and maybe just give some of these players some game time, half here, 20 minutes here.
27:50So Spain are in that position that they're strong enough, and with the teams that they're going to play, that they can do that. So there's not a pressure so much to get these players ready for match day one or maybe even match day two because of the scenario of how many teams and how strong Spain are. So they're in a pretty solid position in that respect. Yeah. Since winning the World Cup though, Alex, it's the World Cup where they haven't done as well since they won it in the World Cups that have followed, what is it, last 16 exits for Spain? So is it because of the Euros that they are as favoured as they are right now and what we saw last time out from them?
28:27Yeah, they've had some peculiar World Cup experiences, have they? Of course, everyone remembers what happened in 2018 with Lopetegui being dismissed literally on the eve of the tournament by the then Federation president, Luis Rubiales. And that sort of really dynamited their preparations for that competition. And then under Luis Enrique, they really flopped in the last World Cup as well and underperformed. So that's certainly true. But yes, of course, I think what we saw from Spain are the Euros. We've seen few international teams do, which is to perform at such a consistently high level right the way through a tournament from start to finish, beating pretty much all the other big-name teams along the way.
29:02You know, there were no quibbles. There were no question marks about what Spain did at Euro 2024. They beat all the other good teams, and they beat them playing really good, really exciting football. They really set the bar at an almost impossible level, I think. And the biggest challenge for them now, I think, is going to be to try and sort of live up to that and repeat that. Before we let you go, Alex, we do need some more updates from the Unexplained Mystery show that Florentino Perez is featuring on right now. yeah one of the unexplained things is which player he's planning to sign next week kate he has said that he said it won't be harland he said it won't be doku it won't be olise as well so he said several players who it won't be but crucially he hasn't actually told us who it will be well we'll find out maybe real madrid will have a spain player in the world cup this summer after all okay we'll find out thank you so much for being with us alex yeah we've got some friendly action coming up for you.
29:57Bolivia against Scotland. Greg's excited about that one. He's been... He hasn't stopped going on about Bolivia-Scotland. I'm off work at the weekend. So you can focus on this. He can watch it fully. He's not stopped going on, I'm telling you. That's not the reason. Are you looking to rebound from your high-interest credit card debt? A SoFi personal loan can help you get back on track. Consolidate your debt with a SoFi personal loan into one low monthly payment. and you could save money on interest over time. And with as soon as the same day funding, you could hit the ground running ASAP. Apply today with no fees required at SoFi.com slash debt rebound.
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31:57And, you know, if I was Frank Le Boeuf, I would be slightly concerned, I think. Frank? Really. Well, I could say I don't care. You know, it's a friendly game, blah, blah, blah. And France didn't play with their all big stars, like Dembele, Douay, for example. Saliba was also a little bit injured. So I'm not that worried. But, you know, it reminds me of the World Cup that we played in 2002, where everybody was very optimistic about it, because we had a fantastic forward line with Anelka, Trezeguet and Thierry Henry. And, well, they just scored one goal during the World Cup. And the last game we played, or almost the last game we played, the game before the last we played before the World Cup started, was against Belgium at home.
32:47And we lost, you know what? 2-1. So I don't want to be, I don't want to say it's a kind of a curse or put a curse on the team, but it's not a good thing. It's not never good for the confidence, but to judge the national team after that game will be harsh, I would say. And they are preparing. They had a very strong week where they worked hard physically, so they were quite tired. They had 10 changes in the second half. It's when every course got better. so I don't want to make any statement it's not good because again for the confidence it's never a good thing to lose but I'm not that worried, let's see how it works I don't think France will be in any great danger but it's certainly looking at the group it's not one you could have a couple of off, of course a lot of the third place teams are going to go through, I think Stevie's been saying well Scotland could you know, teams could go through with three points.
33:48I think that's what Steve is hanging on to with Scotland. So you could go through with three points, potentially. So, I mean, there's really very little danger of France going out of this thing at all. All I'm saying is, it's not a group with most of these teams, particularly Senegal and Norway, that you could have two really off days and get away with it. Because Norway are going to be, I think Norway are going to be a big threat in this competition. They're really strong. They've got guys playing all over Europe and good leagues. And they've got, you know, who they've got up front? They've got Sorloff.
34:27They've got Ellen Haaland. They've got Strand Larsson. They've got Odegaard. They've got Oscar Bob. They've got all these other players, right? They've got a lot of players, good quality players that are solid as a rock. and if they get the service to these guys up front, they're going to cause teams a lot of problems, including France. So it's a group they should get out of as the top team. But I wouldn't be surprised, particularly with Didier Deschamps coming up and announce. I mean, I don't know off the top of my head, has anybody ever announced they're leaving a country and this is their swan song and they've gone on to win a World Cup in that summer?
35:02I mean, I don't know off the top of my head. Because usually when you do that, very rarely you go out as a fanfare. uh and that would be my slight concern for didier duchon i think my biggest concern for for france is is the schedule um they have to start first games against senegal who i i think are almost a little bit of a sleep in in this group in that a lot is expected of france a lot is expected of norway senegal coming to this as as african champions i i say with an asterix nested um and a lot to prove and that's where france starts so you have to start you have to come out the blocks starting strongly.
35:40I don't think you can afford to lose that one and not put in danger your top seed billing in this one. Even in this expanded format, it's less about going through because as Craig rightly points out, third place teams, many third place teams will. It's about how you get seeded after that. You finish with Norway and you don't want to hand that initiative, that advantage to the Norwegians. You saw what happened with Italy when they did it in the qualifying stages. Norway are a very good team. They have some issues defensively, but Craig points out, attacking-wise, they are as good as they come. So for me, that's the only concern with France.
36:22I just don't feel that the schedule itself is that kind. The research team has been on it. If I make a... Franz Beckenbauer in 1990 with West Germany. Yes, and Eme Jacquet in 98. But did Eme Jacquet in 98 announce that he was going before the tournament started? Yeah, I would say that. That's a hell of a way to go out. You almost spoiled it for him.
36:49But another thing, according to what the guy said about Senegal, and continuing my explanation of what might be a curse, the first game that we played was against Senegal. The second team was Uruguay and we drew off a league against Iraq. They're going to do something better. And the last game was Denmark, Scandinavian country. So you can see all the bad signs. But I want to think that because of the MSHK thing, that it's possible for the nation to win that World Cup and get out in the best way. So nothing is written. You have to be careful. You have to make sure that you don't carry it away because of what you have as a forward line.
37:33Because you have, and we saw today, again, some mistakes, especially from Okonate, that you have to be careful and be really tuned in if you want to achieve something. Is he doing a bracket for this World Cup? Hopefully. I demand it, Frank. Frank's bracket, was it the last World Cup or the last? All the Canadians are hoping so. Yeah, they are, absolutely. You know what? You know what? The curse that I had today at the Canadian in front of the... Because we are in Japan, Normandy, and the Canadians rescued us, you know, against Germany in the Nazis, sorry, in World War II. And they were there with kilts and singing songs.
38:18And I thought about you, Craig, about yesterday's show when we see the next picture with you wearing the kilts in France. Yeah, I saw that. I think it was my punishment of laughing at you. No, I saw the video and I wondered what... I thought you were in Canada for one minute and I thought, oh, he's coming early. But it was Stevie that got very angry about it. He got really angry. I mean, all I said was, look... He got really angry about them not doing something as well. Like, he didn't... The whole point was that Scotland aren't wearing kilts and he was still angry about it. No, he wasn't angry.
38:48He was happy at the not wearing kilts. Yes, but it felt like... He was angry that we wore kilts 28 years ago. And then he thought you got on the plane and were sat on the plane in the kilts and walking around the horse in the kilts. To say the truth, he was angry because he said that he didn't think about playing the game but just wearing that kilt. But it's funny because when I sent him, because I sent him the video about the candidates, he said, do they have a game to play? He's still in there. It makes him angry. You know, there's something every day, you know, isn't there? You can't explain this deeply.
39:21Well, you know, I'm continually angry. But there's every now and again he goes... It can't explain. You're right. And when you're not expecting it as well. We didn't expect him to get so worked up about the kilt. Do we ever expect anything from Stevie Dillon? No, it's true. Expect the unexpected. It's like that unexpected. Well, I won't go back over it, but his very generic description of French people on yesterday's show, I won't even mention it again. Yeah, what he thought was French national dress as well, Frank. You see it, Shaq? Yes. Kevin Jones, we're actually doing a well-known preview right now.
39:53I was listening to one of them today. They're doing some of the more obscure teams to start things off. Make sure to go and check out the latest Gab and Jewell show to get up to date with all the World Cup teams. As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back. From professional-grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Granger knows safety is always a priority, they're committed to being your partner in protecting both your people and your facilities.
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41:15See you there. Welcome into the latest edition of Extra Time Frank is joining us We've got Craig and Shaka here as well So the World Cup's a week away I don't even know when it starts to be honest Shaka told me it's the 11th It kind of feels that way at the moment Maybe when it gets going it'll be So we're basically a week away Yeah Today And the opening game is Mexico Mexico, South Africa In Mexico City In the Azteca Somewhere well because the Aztec has got the Aztec it's an easy question we're going with this I think you're more interested than you're letting on yeah wait wait wait wait wait wait wait trust me I'm not where are you going with this exactly that will be come July I will be in July the nightcap is South Korea against Czechia in case you were wondering oh boy oh right that's got Burley's name written all over it what is that Thursday oh generally I've got the flu in a Thursday I feel it coming on.
42:14There's always one of the teams that you don't expect that will surprise you in a World Cup. Could be one of those two. How many teams have won a World Cup? I'll tell you. Countries. How many? Eight. Maybe it's time for a new winner. So where's the surprise coming from? The World Cup's been going for a lot of years. But there's always a team that has a good run. Has a good run. Yes. Yeah. Who? Well, Morocco was one of the teams last time out, right? Mm-hmm. Got three semis. Everybody got excited to watch Morocco. Yeah. There's always a team. We've seen it before in the Euros with Turkey A. Where did they get to?
42:53I can't remember. What do you look at me for? 2008. Had a good run. Portugal, maybe. 2008, I can't remember the last Euros. You also had European champions Greece. Oh, Greece. You know when I talk I mentioned I mentioned that Arsenal played a little bit like and I didn't even say they played like Greece when I was talking about their Champions League final I mentioned the fact that that defensive approach kind of reminded me how Greece did it and some guy wrote this big long email Oh really? It wasn't rude but it was like really? I mean I've got a full explanation And you read it all? Of course I didn't I'm just like why would you take the time?
43:31England in 2018 Surprise Where? Semis. Of what? What was 18? The World Cup? Yeah. England can't be a surprise. No. It's not a surprise. Well, it's not a surprise that they bowl it up every time, but it's not a surprise that they get out of the group. Well, fortunately, it's club football. I'm going for South Korea as my surprise this World Cup. There you go. Norway. Norway. We're not playing on Thursday, though. OK, Craig. Greg, should Barcelona target a pure number nine striker to replace Lewandowski like Ossiman or Vlavic? Can I don't see Bayern letting him leave if they fail to get Alvarez?
44:08Do they target these players if they fail to get Alvarez? Alvarez is a step up in Ferran, but would Barcelona's attack suffer without a poacher in the box? Well, they didn't have a poacher for the bulk of last season because Lewandowski spent a fair chunk of time on the bench, particularly the second half of the season. That being said, Ferran Torres lost a bit of form, which he regained at the end of the season. There's no right and wrong answer, right? Hansi Flick likes the movement. He likes the pace of Torres and the movement and Dani Almo or Fermín Lopez floating around. But they've also had success the year before when Lewandowski played the bulk of the games.
44:49The players that you talked about there, Ossiemane and Vlavic, I don't think fit into Barcelona. if I'm being honest with you. But they may, and Kane's, you know, he costs too much money and he's too old now. That's not really a good bit of business. He's a fantastic player, but you'd only take Kane really on a free transfer. You're not going to pay, you know, 100 million for a top striker who's the age he is. So I don't know which way they'll go, but I know that he likes to have that movement of Torres. It just so happened that Torres lost a bit of form around about April time and Lewandowski played some football.
45:27So there's no right and wrong answer. Frank, it seems that national team managers have to be experts at man management rather than tactics. What's your favourite memory of something your national team manager did or said to help the team?
45:44I agree with that. I think you have to make sure that the player that you have, that you have selected, will be on their top, you know, psychologically. And they exactly know what they have to do and what you expect from them. What a good thing personally. The good thing is I remember Emé Jacquet putting down everything on the table for me two months before the World Cup, explaining to me what he had chosen and the fact that Blanc just said he would play and I would be the third one. And Express is willing to, for me, not getting angry and just stay on my seat and not complaining about anything.
46:26So that was clear and I liked the talking that I had with him. And I remember something that was pretty strange, but I remember something against Croatia. Half time we were 0-0 and he put out all the substitutes myself. And I've been explained after that he said to the first 11 team. who weren't very good at that time. So you know what, guys, if you don't want to go to the final of the World Cup, carry on like that. Because you're going to go back after for the second half, we're going to cross you the goal and you're going to be so upset about yourself. If you don't want to win the game, carry on like that.
47:09I'm sure you're going to lose. If you want to win, change something. And it's crazy, but five minutes after when we started together, the second half, Sucre scored and you could see Eme Jacquet, you know, putting his arm like that saying, yeah, I told you guys. And he clicked to the players. And it's because of what he said, that the player wanted to change what was going to happen and took their future in hands. That was pretty cool and well said and well seen from Eme Jacquet. In some sense, managing an international team is six and two threes. It should really be more difficult to manage a club side because you're dealing with players every day and you get lumbered with some of those players that you don't want.
48:01A sporting director signs them or you go to a new club. As Frank said, the international manager selects the team. So unless you're a complete superstar, he's less likely to select somebody that he feels is going to be a problem to manage or a problem within the dressing room now. We know Thomas Tuchel has talked a little bit about that with one or two England players, I won't mention who. Generally, a manager will be a little coy, but selecting a... For example, Eric Cantona was not selected at that period for France. I'm presuming... France had a lot of great players, so it was not an easy side to get into.
48:42But I'm presuming it just wasn't the talent side with Eric Cantona. There were other scenarios that managers had to think about within that squad, which Ferguson dealt brilliantly with at Manchester United. But I would say the best man-manager the French have ever had, without a shadow of a doubt, is Raymond Domenech.
49:06Of course, of course. And he's still the number one. You know, especially after the documentary The Bus that I invite everybody to watch. You know, the guy, I think, the number one enemy in France. I haven't watched it, Frank, but I hear it's very interesting. I have to watch it with Sarah. Oh, no, you have to. It's so funny. I called Nicolas Anelka and Patricera just straight after, giving them my support. I said, why you didn't talk before? He said, well, the media, we were screwed. The media didn't want to listen to us. And they really thought that Dominic and L 'Equipe were right because L 'Equipe never apologized as well for putting down words that Nicolas Enlika never said.
49:44So that's quite awful. And it's still 16 years after. They don't want to apologize for that. But I just want to go back to Eric Cantona. I think Emeja K went to Manchester to talk to Eric, saying he had Zidane and Joakayev, that he was ready to have him, but as number nine. And I think Eric denied that. He didn't want that. Therefore, he didn't come. But that was a strong selection that Emeja K didn't do because he wanted to make sure that the chemistry was the only thing that he wanted to have. Shaq, have you got anything on this question? Well, I will add, well, obviously, the most successful national team manager we had was Leo Bernaka, who took us to the World Cup.
50:27And while it's a very different context to Frank and winning the World Cup, while I really believe that Bernaka was an incredible communicator, tactically he also had to make adjustments and again remember this is Trinidad Tobago how we use Dwight York a 35 year old Dwight York as a sweeper stepping into midfield despite Dwight's career being played up at the end of the other end of the park and then in the opening game against Sweden we go down to 10 men in the 46th minute and he responds by bringing on arguably our quickest player in in Cornell Glenn and not allow Cornell just to run into space behind and at least keep the game stretched.
51:08So while, yes, you have to be a good communicator, a good manager to the question, I think tactically you've also got to be good, you've also got to be brave. Got to be ready. Banter aside, do you think Mbappe has realised that he was part of the reason why PSG didn't win the Champions League or do you think he hasn't figured it out yet?
51:30Well, if he doesn't know, I'm sure many people told him because I heard that so many times, you know. So I think it came into his mind and it's a fact. It's a fact, you know, and that's sad. That's why we keep on saying that he has to change his way of thinking the football. It's not all about personal statistics and it's good to score goals, but Riz Enrique tried and we saw a documentary where Riz Enrique talked to him, Mbappé taking examples, biggest example players, great legends, being involved in all defensive aspects of the game even if they were in Mbappé's positioning. So it's not part of Mbappé's computer, I would say.
52:20He doesn't understand that. And to explain that Paris Saint-Germain is now a team that the star of Paris Saint-Germain is the team and not one player makes the whole difference. And Kylian has to understand that. You may argue, and I'm... For those... And Frank will know better than me, and he'll certainly remember the game. The World Cup final, when Argentina won. I am adamant he was a big cause and then been 2-0 down. There was 2-0 down, Frank, wasn't it? Yes, exactly. He was playing on the left-hand side and Olivier Giroud was playing through the middle. And he never tracked back once. I think it was Molina and somebody else.
53:07They were running that right side like crazy. And if I was Olivier Giroud, I'd have wanted to have strangled Kylian Mbappe because Olivier Giroud, he was the guy that paid the price. Because Didi Deschamps couldn't have Kylian Mbappe out in the wing anymore because he wasn't doing any work defensively. So he stuck him through the middle and Olivier Giroud was hooked in the first half of a World Cup final. And he was hooked because somebody else on the team wasn't putting any graft in and they were 2-0 down. I would be so angry if that would have been me. But that's what you're dealing with. And, you know, Deschamps, in credit to him, had to make that change in the first half.
53:48It's a big call to make. But he was part of the reason, Mbappé that is, that they were in the position that they were in. because he did no backtracking whatsoever and they were getting killed down that side. And it was all Olivier Giroud had to pay the price in one of the biggest games of his life. That's the frustrating side of Kylian Mbappe. For Xhaka, David Raya and Joan Garcia were this year's Golden Glove and Championship winners in England and Spain. Raya was in the Champions League final, so what makes Unai Simon a better number one for Spain? I'm not convinced that Unai Simon is a better number one.
54:25I think he takes a lot of risks, far too many risks in my opinion, certainly for an international goalkeeper, but he's been preferred and preferred for quite some time by Delefonte and every head coach, every manager makes those decisions. I guess again Unai Simon for his ability with the ball at his feet and his distribution, but Joan Garcia I think is a better shortstopper David Raya has proven himself more than capable with his feet I say all that just to say Unai Simon would not be my choice but I think that is the thinking behind Terra Fuente Well Joan Garcia is probably the best you could argue David Raya but Joan Garcia was absolutely outstanding for Barcelona this season but it's a bit like the England squad in a sense that not all the best players are in the England squad because it's not always about that and I agree you and I see him on his wouldn't he would be the third of those three for me but international football like a lot of football it's it's it's who the manager trusts it's who's maybe done it for him before that's what managers rightly or wrongly that's what they lean on they don't always go to the well for the best player or the most informed player sometimes they go to the well for the guy that's been over the coals with him before a different tournament and he can trust and that's maybe one of the reasons why surprisingly i think unay simon will be probably number one for spain again guys when you found out that you were selected and going to the world cup did the world cup force you to rearrange any personal plans that you had previously scheduled for the summer no not for me not for me for for sure no no no because i was i was expecting to be there as explained before, Imeja K told me two months before that I would be there even if I was unhappy to be a substitute I knew that I would be part of the squad so no plans and even in 2002 nothing that I planned to not to not be there so I had no experience like that so maybe the the guys but I don't think so.
56:42No I mean I don't mean this to sound bad but I mean most of us knew we were going and most of us knew we were playing. There was probably two places in the Scotland team that were up for grabs because Gary McAllister got a crucial injury. He was the captain, so he could not go. So there was a spot up in midfield. And then there was a toss up between Andy Gorham, the late Andy Gorham and Jim Layton in goal. That was really it, barring any other injuries. So we knew we were going, we knew we were playing and the guys that were in the squad knew they were going to be squad players. So barring an injury or something else, you knew what the summer was going to be for you.
57:22I mean, it wasn't the most difficult team to get into. It's not like trying to get into the French team. But yeah, we knew. It wasn't like trying to get into Toronto-Bago's team, that's for sure. Well, you couldn't do that. I've got a new squad, though. That's a bit like the same scenario. You had to be, and I'm not blowing smoke here, but you were the best, more experienced goalkeeper they had. Played in the Premier League for years. you were the really number one but but for some reason you were not yeah I'm again not to be beheaded about it but Sydney I was I was the most experienced of the three between Kelvin Jack Clayton and myself playing at the highest level but I come back to the back end of my time at Portsmouth I was having a very bad teller just leave it at us having a bad time and that translated into my national form and then Kelvin Jack got the shoot all right and he was...
58:12Oh, so you made a mess of it? I did make a mess. So it wasn't just the fact that you were playing really well at the time and he fancied something else. No, I was playing awfully. That's not good timing then. No, it wasn't. But then Kelvin Jack, and again, to his credit, once he got the shirt, he kept it. And deservedly so. I have no arguments about that. And to your point, previously, when a goalkeeper plays well for a manager slash head coach, he sticks with him. and Leo Bernacco is absolutely right to stick with Kelvin as he did but at least I knew I was in the squad I knew I was pretty sure I was going to be in the 26 so I made no plans yeah no plans it was only 22 at the time guys no?
58:5823 excuse me 22 I think it was 22 22 and then... Maybe you know six, yeah. Maybe you know six. It goes up every year, Frank. I mean, by the time in the next World Cup, there'll be like a 50-month squad. 104 teams. Maybe for the next one. Someone's getting a little fresh here. For Craig, in yesterday's picture of you in a kilt, showed you have nice legs. Did you wear a kilt to your wedding? No.
59:34Stevie did.
59:39Scotty Gemmo there next to me Obviously his dad Archie Gemmo scored a famous goal In the 74 or 78 World Cup But no, no, no Does it look good on the Xhaka? If Stevie's watching If you say it's okay I'll take your word for it Somewhere in the Nickel household He's flicked the TV on Inadvertibly The FC show has just popped up And he's got very angry again Curious. Curious. They didn't think about the game. And now Frank can't escape the kilt, as we found out today, Frank. Oh, yeah, look at that. Look at that. In Normandy, Canadians. They call the pie bed. Something like that, the pie bed. The bagpipes, you know, for those that are interested, and I presume it's not very many people, But the bagpipes that go with the attire, and you heard the music there, they are so difficult to play.
1:00:39I mean, have you ever tried it? No. You need a set of lungs to play those things. It's also very difficult to sleep nearby. I tried to have a nap and they were in front of the hotel. Everybody was screaming, shut up! But it's funny because you have the same kind of sound if you're not an expert. It's maybe hard to play, but it's hard to listen to it as well. At some point. You're looking at him. I'm here to try and play at the back of the game. What, Shaq? I didn't see me giving him whatever. With a giant bag. I can see everything. Right, honestly. We need to do this before Scotland go home from the World Cup, and they will.
1:01:32Especially because it's in Boston as well, in Haiti. Get him up there. He's a Massachusetts man. He's from that area. He's lived there for many years. Before Scotland exit this World Cup, he needs to dress up in a kilt. In a kilt. Filled in bagpipes. And get him a set of bagpipes. If you see me coming down the street. It's like a spin-off like the Bicycle Diaries when Shaka tries the bagpipe. Whenever he's doing his power rankings, we can change the backdrop. Get rid of the bow tie just to have Shaka's... You and Stevie have to bring a bagpipe in at some point. I haven't got bagpipes. I thought every Scotsman had bagpipes just hanging around their house.
1:02:15Stevie's thrown his in the pond. We should. I'm sure you can rent some. I want to see you at the bagpipe renter store in New England do you have any bagpipes to rent? here in New England there's lots of bagpipe renters we've got to go but I'm going to laugh all night have you ever tried the bagpipe Jack?
1:02:51That's it, that's all we've got time for. So tomorrow, for more shenanigans.
1:03:11Thank you.
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