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26:28And I think as you can see, obviously he's winding some people up, but he's really enjoying himself having this role and this impact at this moment in time. He probably won't last forever, but I'll be honest, if he can last till the end of the season, I'll be more than happy. Is he something of a maverick in a Pep Guardiola team though right now, Nadam? Obviously you're talking about him in recent weeks, but maybe when we see things a little more structured under Pep, are we seeing someone who's a bit more playing on instinct than the structure that we usually see with Pep Guardiola's players?

26:55To a certain extent, but it's not like he's got a free role as such. I think he still needs to find his moments within the structure that they have. I just think there's certain times in terms of how he does it, which feels different to other people. And it's not to say that Guardiola takes away some of this from certain players, because what is a Kevin De Bruyne? What is, say, for example, the wingers that he had when he was at Bayern Munich? what is like playing with Lionel Messi in the team that he had at Barcelona and a couple of others. But I think he has an element of creativity and fine spaces, which, as I say, other people aren't necessarily looking to.

27:24You know, it's like similar, for example, with Phil Foldens and those types of players. Those really creative attacking midfielder types. And I think for Shirky, like, as I say, if he starts to play like it's a free roll, it won't just be Pepto on him to go back. It'll be the other players around him. But I think he's understanding of what the manager wants, but also the manager trusting him to go out and do it. you get a chance to see a player, as I say, who feels very, very unique at this moment in time in the league. Mario, how do you deal with a player like this when you come up against them, given their unpredictable nature?

27:54Look, the advantage from a guy like Cherki, I think it's for everybody that plays the game. If he can use both feet, I'm telling you, that's already the biggest advantage that he possesses. I've seen him technically, I mean, I was myself, what is it, a couple of weeks ago, I was in France, you know, in my older team, and they produce a lot of great talents as well. You understand, like the Dembele and Dewey come from that setup. So I know French football is very talented technically and very speedy. But the freedom that they get is that because in their country, they want players to expose themselves and give them a certain level of freedom.

28:30When you face kind of players like that, you know, like sometimes it depends when you meet them. If you mentally can attack him, you can get to him and get to his end. because I played in that league. That's what I was like trying to protect myself with. But away from that, if you meet a player that mentally is as strong as enough, it's very difficult to tell you, okay, to compete with him and step up to him. And I think Cherki is at that level. He doesn't really care. There is no fear in his head. He might not play good, you know, all the time. But one thing you have for sure, he has a certain level of freedom and that's why he's so playful.

29:04And sometimes I think Pep will try to control that because he cannot play all the time. Sometimes you've got to put the serious hat on. But you clearly see that what he did in the second half changed the game. Because, you know, you cannot dribble the ball inside and then outside of your left pass the ball like that and give an assist like it's nothing. Oh, my God. No, that's good quality. I got a little chuckle out of you when I asked how you deal with a player like this when you're coming up against them. You have to be at your very best and smartest. You know, gone are the days when you could physically get at a guy like that and leave a couple on him and that would scare him away but now defensively you know you have to be you have to get your body position in such a way that you're trying to dictate what side he goes at and it's not completely he's doing what he wants and then if you get too close he's got such good feet that he'll make a mug of you so that tends to have you standing off him but if you do stand off him he's got the vision that Gohmari was talking about, if you stand off him, he has the vision to play the pass that 21 players on the field didn't see apart from him.

30:15So you have to be at your very best and get every single basic of defending right. Because if you don't, this guy will kill you. Of course, on the flip side of this, Mario. Go on, Mario. Stevie, the main goal, what we always do, right, and Nathan, we try to get into your opponent's head. And if we can't get there, I'm telling you, we're almost losing the battle already. So we try to get in your head. Like Stevie said, we tackle you, but if we cannot tackle you, oh, there's a lot more. What I did, I will take you and I will attack and make you run after me. So you get tired, you have less energy to attack me.

30:49That was my goal if you were like, I was like, wow. So that's why Stevie's right. We try to get in your head a lot of times. Cat and Moskian. Love that, mind games. Okay, Mario, sadly, on the flip side of this, it was Chelsea losing. Have panic stations set in about finishing in the Champions League spots or are you going to be okay? it's getting really tough. Why? Because, you know, like, it looks like they have a lot of talent in that team. Everybody talks about it. We know that they have a lot of talent. But I feel like as an engine, you understand, like you can have an engine and if the engine doesn't move the right direction altogether, it becomes average.

31:29And I think City exposed you in a way that made you understand like, hey guys, you're good, you're talented, okay, Fernandes is coming back, you know because now the situation is over so he will come back in the middle of the park because if you could see the goal that O 'Reilly scored was against Santos was a difficult one but in a way he could have been uh you know like a bit more you know like like rougher in the sense of like make him understand that the header is not going to be that easy against me but he clearly did that so what I feel like for Chelsea now what they have to do um is making sure that they everybody do you understand what the goal is now?

32:05The goal is not anymore, you understand, you win one game and then you take it easy in another game. No, you've got to step up now because Champions League for a club like Chelsea is one of the biggest failures if you don't make it. And I think they have to understand it like that. And not understand it like, oh, if we play European football, it's okay. No. You need, you have to play Champions League. You know what Chelsea needs to do? Not suspend your best player. that would be a good place to start I mean if you watch that game if you sat and watched that game the only thing I could think about as City were going through the middle of the park well in fact they were going through everywhere but particularly through the middle of the park I'm sitting looking at Kaiseido and I felt sorry for Kaiseido it was almost like he was out there on his own and where was his partner?

32:54sat in the stand with the cameras on him all the time I mean if ever there was a game that had men against boys. You know, Chelsea's always talk about the project and getting young players. Well, we just saw at the weekend what happens when you play against a proper team with men and you play a team with boys. That's what we saw, men against boys. And also you hamstring yourself by having arguably your best player sitting in the stand. Seriously. There was a lot more talk about this game and more games across the weekend on the latest Gab and Jules show. You can check that out on your podcast feed.

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35:02Tomorrow, it's the deciding ties in the quarterfinals of the Champions League. There are some very exciting games coming up. PSG Liverpool, Real Madrid Bayern, Varsity against Atleti, and Sporting taking on Arsenal. But who are the panel most looking forward to seeing tomorrow? Stevie, let me start with you. I have to be honest, I'm looking forward to Bayern Munich, Real Madrid. I'm just wondering, can Bayern Munich play the same type of football they did at the Bernabeu? Can they do that again at home? Because if they do, I mean, this game's over. Well, why wouldn't they? Well, there's no reason.

35:42The only reason why wouldn't they would be if they overthink it. If they start thinking about whether they've actually gone through. You know, get your head down, get the job done. and then you can start thinking about who you're playing, where you're playing, how far you can go, all of these things. Concentrate on the game and concentrate on what you did in the first leg. Because quite frankly, the tie probably could have been over after the first leg had they taken all the chances and certainly had they got that penalty that at least you should have got at the end. So, yeah, I'm interested because you can never, ever, you can never rule out Real Madrid.

36:18you know particularly Vinny particularly Mbappé as much as we have a go at them and we point out the problems and temperament and all these things they got quality and if you if you're asleep or you make a mistake they'll hurt you so that's what I'm looking forward to tomorrow big time who's going through for you? Bayern ok Mario are you the same as Stevie not on who's going through yet I'll ask you that in a minute but the fact that it's this game for you yeah of course and And what Stevie said, one of the key things in this game is, look, Madrid. We all know the history of Madrid and the comfortability of Madrid.

36:53And in the German country, it's always been Bayern. You understand? That is the leading. So for them to match themselves and compete, and they want to put up a show in the sense of like, look, we are a country that loves football as much as your country. And we're going to show you now. We are capable of entertaining you as much. We came to Spain. We showed it. We played away. and that the people even were questioning, like, can we? And they've proven it. So now they're coming there. But like you said, look, if they're going to expose themselves in their own stadium and get too comfortable, then they can get in trouble.

37:29But if they start and play the game as smart as they did prior to it, defensively standing right, don't leave stupid holes and space behind you that you can be exposed to that because with the speed, what they possess in the team, like Madrid, you don't want that. But away from that, now I look forward to Bayern. Let me see what you got, guys. Come on, let me see what you got. Because Madrid has always been one of my favourites, but Bayern, whoo, enjoyable. But you've got Bayern doing it then, Mario, if you had to pick. Yeah, 100%. 100%, 100%. I said that from like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. Nathan, you're not going to go for this tie too, are you?

38:09No, I'm not. But before we go any further, I'm confused as to how Stevie Dickel plans to beat the anti-Liverpool allegations when he's not picking Liverpool for a second leg at Anfield with a deficit. But anyway, let's move on. I cannot believe that, Stevie. When was I saying you saw Liverpool play? That's why I'm not going for him.

38:30Stevie, well done, man. I love it. I'm going to go for the Barcelona-Atleti game. Not necessarily because it's going to be the most high-quality game because the Bayern Real Madrid one, I think that's what that will be. But it's interesting because when Atleti had the extra player last week, they probably got worse. I think the fact that they came over 2-0 win with that performance in some ways was a surprise to me. And I think Barca knowing that they have to go out there away from home and really be on the front foot with their attacking, I think it makes for potentially a high-scoring game. So I think that one itself, you know, these guys have played each other way too much, let's be honest about it.

39:05But I think it makes for a really interesting game. And as I say, it could be one of the more high scoring games of this round. So as a consequence, I'm looking forward to see how Atleti go about it, given the fact they rested 10 outfield players on the weekend. And for Barca, they have to be on the front foot to get some goals. And who goes through? Natham would have seen the face of Simeone. That's what he wants to see at the end of the game. Natham would want to see that. Who doesn't, Natham? I know, I know. He wants to see his face. I think the two goals is probably a bit too much. so I'm expecting a Simeone knee slide in the 90th minute.

39:38They'll probably get the job done, yeah. I think I'll let it go through. All right, yeah. Can't believe Stevie didn't go for Liverpool either, but whatever. Tomorrow we will be talking about the Champions League. Make sure to join us. Craig, Stevie, Robbo, Frank, Luis Garcia. We've got a lot of people on to talk Champions League tomorrow. Make sure not to miss it. In La Liga, Levante against Itafe. A high-stakes clash when it came to Levante's survival. 19th coming into the game a win would be a massive lifeline for them 60th minute penalty conceded here by Domingos Duarte and it's a chance here for Levante

40:19Adrian De La Fuente they definitely not get a touch on the ball I'm assuming Varluk Tatek's well go with Varl 83rd minute though young Levante player he's got his 8th of the season Carlos Espy, big header that was for them well it's a great head up It's a lovely pick out as well. The pass right on his head, right in front of him. He runs onto it, but beautifully put away. Zaid Romero would concede a penalty here. Handball, so Levante get another chance from this spot. Yeah, this one there's no question. Maybe they need to practice some penalties. You think? Yeah, not to worry though. They would hold on to get the win.

40:58And it's a very, very important three points for them. if they are to fight and escape going back down two segundar straight away. It's just four points now, but they need to start climbing their way out of the bottom three. As for Hatafe, they're in the hunt for a European spot this season, so it's differing fortunes right now. Spanish football this weekend, though, brings us the Copa del Rey final between Atleti and Real Sociedad. Our coverage will begin at 2.30 Eastern with kickoff coming up at three right here on ESPN Plus. Evan Cohen here. Game day brings the excitement. Your stay should feel just as memorable.

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43:30Welcome in to the latest edition of Extra Time. Stevie Nadam and Mario here to answer your questions today. Kicking things off by talking about red cards, because we've got to see another red card in the Manchester United game today for Lissandra Martinez for a hair pull. And so the question is, what is the dumbest red card you've seen a teammate receive? I imagine Martinez pulling Calvert-Lewin's hair would be up there. Dumbest.

43:59I can't think of the dumbest, but I can think of my favourite. My favourite red card was Paul Walsh, a weight Southampton.

44:11Centre-back defender. What was his name? Remind me. His dad was a coach.

44:19Go to the boys, they get the name. Go to the boys, they get the name. Okay. Guys, the dumbest red card you've seen or maybe your favourite red card in Stevie's nature here. Okay, I'll go for two. The dumbest one was probably one that happened in a game in 2012 between Man City and QPR. That's probably the dumbest one I've seen. But my favourite one was 2014 playoff final for QPR against Derby County. and you know sometimes people say oh you know if you're going to be the last man you're going to save your team you're going to take someone down do a job for the team this that and the other well the more you play the more you realize that never actually happens but in this game itself Gary O 'Neill took down one of the derby players as he was running through on goal in maybe the 70th minute of the game and if they had gone through and scored that probably would have been game over so he took a red card for the team and we ended up winning the game 1-0 and he took down Johnny Russell and I would have backed Johnny Russell to finish that for a derby.

45:24So we end up being kind of undeserved winners on the day. But that is the definition of a professional file and I thank Aaron Neil to this day for making that decision for the side. Nice. Did you find it? I found it, yeah. Or me? It's Kevin Bond, centre-back for Southampton, who's 6 '3", and Paul Walsh is 5 '2". And Kevin Bond's spat on his face. And Walsh just turned around and just hit him right in the nose. And he dropped him. And Walsh, he walked straight off. And at the time, the manager, Kenny Dalglish at the time, had no idea what happened. And so we got in at half time. And as we got in at half time, Kenny's going up to Walsh.

46:06He went, what are you doing? What was that all about? And he went, he spat it in my face. Kenny went, oh, that's all right then. Because that's okay. Somebody does that to you and you knock them out, nobody's going to have a problem with it. Of course not. But it was just funny. Five foot two, knocks down six foot three, Kevin Bond, right in the nose. Great shot. And I know it shouldn't always be celebrated, but I always love to see when the player just knew and walked off, didn't he? Oh, he just walked off. So funny. Always makes me chuckle. Mario, what about you? You know what the worst, for me, the worst red card is?

46:40If you know yourself that is a red. So you make a tackle and you know in your mind already. It's similar to what Stevie said. it's similar like I Because I'm thinking about myself now because I don't know I got a ball plate and the ball was too short and I knew Mario the only way for you to get that ball and to protect yourself You got to go to feed it and you know if you go to feed it off the floor You understand in a certain height you're gonna get it. I go in Bang I think about myself. I think oh dude what did you just did and then i look at the ref and then after i changed my face straight away and i walked to the side and and i knew already he i didn't even see him lifting it up i already walked in similar to what i just walked in and you know what the worst part is when you walk in game you walk past the line and you see the coach doesn't even look at you then you know you're in trouble yeah uh the silent treatment that's a big problem oh no okay are all the best strikers in the world going to grow their hair out now.

47:42Don't start me. Stupid point. You know the ones I hate the most? I'm not sure. Is the ones they have stuck in the top of the red. They put all their hair up and then they tie it on top of the red. It's like, I had a player at the Reds who used to do that. I used to say to them every time, I said, hold on a second, how are you going to flick a ball on when you've got that thing sat on the top of your reds? And he just never had an answer. No, Stevie, it's funny. Seriously though. Stevie, who was the guy at Nottingham Forest? Who was the guy at Nottingham Forest that had a thing on his head? Yeah, centre forward.

48:19Yeah, centre forward. Pineapple, they used to sing that. He's got a pineapple on his head. They used to sing it for him. Jason Lee. Jason Lee. I can't remember. That's it. Jason Lee. Yeah? Yeah, Jason Lee. Yeah, he used to have that. Yeah, he got ridiculed on the TV show for that. I think you're just jealous and you'd like to put a little ponytail on top of your head. I'd rather be bold.

48:46All right. Did you ever... Oh, my God. The producer's not happy with that one. Did you ever get caught pulling an opposing player's hair? Mario, did it ever happen to you? Yeah, it did happen to me and I hated it. Like, you know, like sometimes you play the game and it's always the same thing. They pull your hair and they act like nothing happened. Oh, when you pull my hair, it's like, it's almost like I forget that I'm playing football. So, you know, like you pull my hair and I look and you see it in my eyes. You go like, okay, you're on next. When the ball comes, I'm coming for you. But then somebody else comes to you and chill out, chill out, chill out.

49:23But I'm telling you, no, no, no, no. It happened to me. Yes. A couple of times. Not just one time, but when it happened, I tell you, yes, I'm going to look for you and I will get you back. And I ain't pulling your head this time. I'm doing something else. Trust me. And it ain't nice. question for Stevie if you were on a slot would you start Rio tomorrow? absolutely 100 % he's one of the positives that has come out over the last two or three weeks obviously the weekend against Fulham scoring his goal being involved in the second goal I mean really why would you not play him? and if he doesn't I'll be absolutely shocked.

50:08Seeing that we now have a panel of excellent defenders, which team has the scariest set of attackers to play against right now? Bayern, Barcelona or PSG? Nadem.

50:24I won't say Barcelona. I won't say Barcelona. I would say...

50:34So Bayern Munich are actually history makers. I think they've scored the most goals in any Bundesliga season ever. So they deserve a ton of credit for that. But in terms of just like what is going on, I think playing against PSG would be a nightmare. Obviously Bayern, I'd say absolutely incredible. But for PSG, those guys flying at you in different positions like the press and things like that, working that well as a three. And next thing you know, it might be Hakimi and Nuno Mendes running back at you as well. So I think PSG just feels like a headache at this moment in time. And I think we kind of saw that with Liverpool last week as well.

51:06I love in terms of what is going on. I mean, that's a great way to describe it, isn't it, Mario, with PSG? Yeah, because everybody, you know what it's with PSG, you already won that league. I mean, the Champions League. And then the way they go at it, they made me feel like they haven't won it. that hungry they are. So that's why I totally understand, Nathan, what he says. Like PSG for me, I would say that too because, you know, just the way they do it, they're hungry, they press you and they take you on like they don't care. So I will pick them too. And at Bayern, they got a French boy too. So yeah, PSG.

51:40You got a thought on that? Oh, PSG. All the other teams, well, most other teams on the planet, whatever area you're defending in, You've got a good idea of who's going to be there and what you're going to face Against PSG you've no idea who's going to be You don't know it's going to be Dewey, is it going to be Dembele, is it going to be Bacala, is it going to be Hakimi? I mean you're not sure who it is is going to end up in your area You're actually not sure when they're going to arrive there because the movement is so scary that Your head's spinning so yeah as great as the other two are PSG now as Nathan rightly pointed out in the show it was shameless from Stevie not to pick his favourite tie to look out for this week Liverpool against PSG and as Stevie rightly pointed out have you seen Liverpool lately?

52:34but here is a question about this game Stevie we know Anfield can have its magical European nights what has to go right for Liverpool tomorrow for them to get through and what can they take from the Fulham game from Saturday to help them? There's a lot of answers to that. So I'll start off by saying what I said the other night. I think most people forget that those nights at Anfield that they're talking about, Liverpool had very good teams but just found themselves in a bad spot. But because they were really good teams, that's how, along with the crowd, they got themselves out. it. This team doesn't have that.

53:19This team just doesn't have that. This team is just not a very good team. And so, again, when you look at the opposition, what's got to go right? Well, what's got to go right for Liverpool is PSG are going to have to have their worst performance of the season. And Liverpool are going to have to be at their very, very best, which we haven't seen since last season. Until tomorrow. Listen, you can always dream, and I'm not stopping at him from dreaming, but unfortunately I'm a realist. And realistically, it's going to be a tough thing. What can they take from the Fulham game, including probably Rio, right?

53:57They won the game. Listen, you win the game. Rio had a good performance, and you win the game. And Salah's cold. He's back, isn't he? Well, he'll be back tomorrow night, but... We'll see, right? We'll be on the field. I mean... Brimming with confidence. All right. Seriously, does anybody really... Is anybody... Right, four of us sitting here. Does any of us think Liverpool has a chance? Do you think they've got a chance? A chance at home on a big night like this, maybe. No. Guys? You know, when you're at home, Kate, you also have to make sure that you expose yourself. And one of the key things in this game tomorrow is if you expose yourself and you overexpose.

54:45you're going to get exposed in the worst way possible. Because the way they're going to play, if Liverpool wants to win the game, they've got to attack. So what is going to happen now if you're going to attack? You look at your back line, there's going to be holes and there's going to be space. And there's two things you don't want to do, holes and space. Because if you have too much of that against a team that's quick, young and hungry, you're asking yourself to be cut right there. So for me, I totally agree with what Stevie said. You're gonna expose yourself. I'm not putting Liverpool as a favourite in this game.

55:19No, guarantee not. Because of the way I've been seeing from them. Nadem? No, I think that's fair. I think Stevie's sitting down on the head. You're looking at Liverpool to have their best game of the season, PSG probably one of their worst. And it seems unlikely because PSG at this point in the season, as we saw last year, this is kind of when they come into their own. And PSG did win the game within 90 minutes last year. I think the 1-0 after Dembele scored. So you can't help but fancy them because this Liverpool side, whatever they've been this season, it's not been defensively solid. And some of those match-ups, like we said, with the front three or front whatever it is for PSG, I think they'll be causing absolute murders to anyone.

55:58And I think in particular, probably Liverpool tomorrow at Anfield. Nadam, do you have any inside information about your pal Vincent with how he has succeeded at Bayern compared to his last season at Burnley?

56:14I think with all due respect, I think everyone will be okay with me saying this. I think the players at Bayern are better than the players he had at Burnley. That is the starting point. So please allow me that. So as a consequence, sometimes you'll see the behind the scenes, the training and the way that he gets them to work. And it's been very, very competitive. Let's not say that it wasn't there before. but lots of small sided 2v2s, 3v3s but then also structure with an element of freedom for the 9 and the false 9 in terms of how they play. And it's been brilliant for Bayern. I think they're one of the most aggressive teams both in and out of possession that the Bundesliga has probably ever seen.

56:51And even though some people say, it's Bayern, it's Bundesliga, it's easy. Well, why are they record breakers at this point? I think they're on 105 goals so far through maybe 31 games or whatever the number is. it's been hugely impressive and I guess it's just fit. I think they respect him as a person, they understand his training methods and he understands what's best for those players and now as a consequence some of those players are playing some of the best football they've ever played so I can't necessarily pinpoint it beyond the nature of the players themselves but sometimes as a player when the right message gets into you you can transform yourself and those around you into what they're doing right now.

57:27Natham, your friend Jules on the latest Gab and Jules show said he thinks this is Pep Guardiola's last year. Is Vincent Kompany the favourite to take over if that is the case? Should he be the favourite? Personally, I don't think so. I don't know. I would love for Vincent Kompany to go to Man City to replace Pep Guardiola, whenever that would be, whether that's tomorrow, in the summer, or in a year's time. But the fact is, Vincent Kompany already has one of the biggest jobs in world football, managing Bayern Munich. For him, their goals are beyond Bundesliga. It's like winning Champions League, and that would be Vincent's first Champions League win, as well as a player or a coach.

58:03So I can't see him leaving there anytime soon. But there are other people who are potentially in the frame. You know, some people talking about Xabi Alonso's and some people have mentioned Maresca's who doesn't bring in a great lot of positive energy. But then interestingly, maybe there's a Seth Fabregas or somebody like that who maybe, maybe could be, you know, the type of coach that some of these players need in a sort of modern way as well. But yeah, I'd love Vincent Kompany's comeback at some stage. You know, somebody with a ties to Manchester, statue outside the stadium hugely successful but I'll be honest Bayern Munich's a big job to walk away from for something that isn't necessarily going to be a guaranteed success Alright we'll leave it there then guys thank you so much for sending in your questions thanks to the panel for answering them and make sure to join us tomorrow as the Champions League is back and we've got some big show planned for you over the next few days ESPN FC for that

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