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26:46That is the one guilty for that. Well, yes, of course, Reid maybe wouldn't have done anything to that shot. But you have to try. You have to try to disturb and put pressure on Reid. And it's what Van Dijk didn't do. But, yeah, what a goal. What a crazy goal. And for a guy who almost never scored a goal. Yeah, yeah. Not bad at all. Right, back to Arnig Slott's quotes. Talking about luck and about how things haven't worked out or they haven't made their own luck enough, Steve, so far this season. they've got exactly what they deserve today right, nothing to do with luck nothing to do with luck at all you know, they're unlucky that at the end of having to play Sobers lie and Cutters in the way the area is attacking, now that's bad luck, that you've got that amount of injuries that you have to do that, but at the same time, when you step on the field you can't run around saying well we're unlucky today, we don't have so on now you've got to play and they didn't play I mean Fulham just went like that right I tell you what you can have it and try and beat us and guess what Liverpool didn't even try and beat them you know it's one it's one thing to have five or six hundred passes but there has to be a purpose of why you're passing it you don't just pass it around well we'll just keep it for 90 minutes and we'll get a point you you have to be positive and what happens you know we talk about the modern game and there are certain things that whether you played in 1910 or 2010 or now, there are certain things that are the same then as they are today.

28:27And that one is the object of the game is to go that way towards the opposition goal. And so to be positive when you get the ball, your first touch, unless somebody's squeezing you tight, your first touch has to be a positive one to go forward. And what happens is, it's a domino effect. Because your teammates see you being positive, you're looking to go forward, so they'll start moving, or they'll drop off, and people will make runs. But when you get the ball, and you go backwards, and stand on it, and stop the game, everybody shuts down. Everybody goes to sleep. And where does that come from?

29:02It comes from the man on the ball. And it comes from the coach at the start of the game, who, yes, you want to keep the ball. But you know what? The object of the game is to go forward. So we need to be positive. And the first half was frightening. I mean, you said it was boring. I'll tell you what, it was worrying. Absolutely worrying. I can even take it even further, Stevie. And I would say it's not just the decision to play the ball backwards. You rarely see, if you watch Liverpool play today, you rarely saw any players that once they pass the ball to actually sprint into a position to get the return pass or put themselves in a position where they can get a return pass.

29:43So many times, and it doesn't matter who it was, whether it was McCallis or whether it was Florian Verst, they pass the ball sideways or back, and then slow jog. There was never a purpose of, I'm passing this ball so then I can get in that space and get it again, or at the very least, drag a defender with me so that a passing lane is open. It's all A to B to C, slow in the movement of the ball, and slow in the movement of the player. Frank? Yeah, Arnaud Slot was talking about the luck. You know, if he's talking about bad luck or good luck, he has to talk about the first game that they had at the beginning of the season where they were winning every time the last minute because of luck.

30:23So you have to force the luck to come and to be on your side. That's what it is. And it goes with what Ali and Stevie just said. You have to go forward in order to maybe show that moment where the luck has to go your side. And it's what happened last season with Liverpool and never happened this season or right now because they don't force it, because they don't go forward, because they don't try. They are in one gear, same gear, and they don't go forward. They go sideways. It's why maybe they don't have that like that he's talking about. Rich Eisen here. the tax deadline will be here before you know it.

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32:09Real Madrid would kick off 2026 in style. All the talk going into the game is the absence of Kylian Mbappe through injury. However, Gonzalo Garcia would replace him and in style, barging the perfect hat-trick. Real Madrid looked a bit dodgy in the second half, but in the end, it's a great result to start the new year, defeating Real Betis 5-1. We welcome in our own Garcia. It's always a good day to be Luis Garcia. Luis, 5-1. Maybe the second half, that scoreline papers over some of the cracks, but let's focus first, shall we, on Gonzalo Garcia. That is schoolboy dream stuff, isn't it? Yeah, exactly.

32:47As a kid from the academy and a fan of Real Madrid, if you have the opportunity to play at the Bernabeu, starting replacement of Kylian Mbappe, probably one of the best players in the world, those are big shoes to fill in. And I think today it was amazing. A fantastic job, scoring three goals, but not only that, giving the opportunity to other players to get involved into the game, running and working for the team, giving that balance that is needed in this Real Madrid side to try to help the team overall to make a fantastic performance. I think that he's been one of the best games of this Real Madrid.

33:21And we have to give a lot of credit to this young talent, 21 years old from the academy, because we saw what he was capable of during the Club World Cup, but we haven't seen him so much during this season. 2026 might be totally different for him. Talk about taking a chance. Yeah, and it's hard not to cheer for a guy like that after you see the interview. And you can see in his face and you can feel the excitement of what it means to him. and we must be very honest about this when we talk about Real Madrid. We don't see enough of this from Real Madrid, players actually coming through. They seem to buy talent.

33:52They seem to outsource talent, but not actually develop and nurture talent in the manner in which we have seen here from Gonzalo Garcia. As it pertains to him taking advantage of his opportunity. When there was the announcement of Kylian Mbappe being out for three weeks, it's like, oh, no. Where's the offense going to come from? and it is a fair question to ask because nobody else was producing at a high level and at a consistent level as Kylian Mbappe was for what we have seen the whole season. And so, yeah, the opportunity is on Gonzalo Garcia. He took it as an opportunity. Other may have thought this was a burden.

34:30Other may have thought this was pressure, and he took it on. And I mean, he took it head on. To be able to do this under normal circumstances would be great. But when you have Kylian Mbappe sitting on the stands, and given the pressure that is currently on Xavi Alonso and Real Madrid, that every single performance and every single game is evaluated, analyzed, broken down, almost to the point to where it's like, at 3-1 today, there were boos going on at Santiago Bernardo. They were winning 3-1, and there were boos at Santiago Bernardo. That's how much pressure there is on this team. So when you think of the important of Gonzalo Garcia's performance, the productivity, the goals, the result, the performance, all of it together, it's actually elevated in terms of that importance.

35:16Because they needed the three goals today. They needed his goals and he was able to produce. Yeah, they needed them. As Ali rightly says, there's this fragility to Real Madrid that we saw in the second half. Three one up. And yet the pressure is still on that defense. It's still on Courtois to pull off these saves. Yeah, I think we sit here every weekend. and say the same thing. Courtois has again made saves that make the difference. And it seems a silly thing to say when you look at the scoreline of five, but there was a period when that first goal went in, there were 3-1 up, all of a sudden the composure disappeared.

35:52You know, and every single time that happens, the back four gets it. But let's be honest, there are, what, six other players in front of that back four that for some reason can't do anything to help the back four. And then when the back fours ask to appear, they can't do it either. So that's probably why Courtois is one of the best goalkeepers in the world because an average goalkeeper playing for Real Madrid right now, they would be a long, long way behind Barcelona. How much does this take the pressure off Xavi Alonso considering the week that he's got ahead, of course, Luis? Atletico Madrid on Thursday, who weren't very good today in their 1-1 draw against Real Sociedad.

36:32And then in theory, Barcelona at the weekend in the Super Cup final. Yeah, I understand that after the previous week when there were a lot of rumours of Xavi Alonso staying or not, depending on what the game it was against Sevilla, I think right now the rumours are gone far away. I think that they understand and the supporters understand that Xavi Alonso is going to stay at least until the end of the season and waiting to see if he managed to get a trophy. But definitely starting the 2026 with a good result, bringing a young talent, not remembering that Kylian Mbappe is not involved, that he's not going to be involved in the coming games, and much more with a trophy in front of them.

37:11I think the pressure is moving on to whatever it is in the next coming months. Definitely a good start for Xavi Alonso. It's trying to hope of having a good game against Atletico Madrid in the midweek. Today, the Atletico Madrid, what we saw, is not different from what we haven't seen from Atletico Madrid in 2025. So we can expect Real Madrid challenge for that trophy. But definitely, Xavi also must be secure and confident that now he can manage Real Madrid. Now he can work on what he's been doing in the past couple of months and try to be more consistent today. we have a good Real Madrid, but not consistent enough to what we can expect of this quality squad.

37:55Xavier also was comfortable enough today to make a big decision. The team was falling apart. At 3-1, they were losing control of the game. And to Stevie's point, you're not getting help defensively from Rodrigo nor Vinny. And he knows that taking Vinny off the field is going to become news, because it's always the case. And he did not hesitate. They needed something different. They needed more balance. He brought in Arda Guller and Mastantono. Rodrigo, come off the field. And yeah, Vinny, come off the field as well. And it helped the team. Now, if these things don't work, then again, pressure goes back on Xavi Alonso.

38:37But today, he was secure enough and confident enough to say, this is what the team needs right now. And it paid off. 5-1, I think, flatters Real Madrid. 5-1 wasn't quite a true reflection of the game. But what we can say is that for the first 60 minutes, Real Madrid were as good as they have been this whole season. And that was based on energy, intensity, and work rate. When this team works, and this is something that Gonzalo Garcia helps with, when this team works and works well together, they can beat anybody. But their drop-off is so significant as well that that's when they become vulnerable against any team.

39:16Luis, what's the best goal of his hat trick? Oh, it's difficult. I think the three of them are quite good because of the movement and the ability to put the ball in the back of the net. This one, because of the movement, going in the blind spot of the defender at the back, is quite good. Also, the composure, but I think this one is something different. The awareness, the distance, understanding what is happening with the ball, giving the opportunity to the ball to go down and hit that fantastic volley apart away from the keeper, I think it's top class that one this one is of course once again the movement and the ability of finding the right speed at the right time but definitely the second one that volley from outside the box is a top I know that everyone can see Kylian Mbappe doing that so because he's a kid and he's 21 years old doesn't take away any credit I think it's a fantastic goal Do you know when you hear us talking about composure?

40:10Yes. That's what's so great about that goal, he's 21 The second goal, you mean? Yeah. He's 21. He's getting an opportunity, but he has the composure because he's waiting for that ball to come down. And you have no idea what's going through his head. His computer is running at 1 ,000 miles an hour. And all he wants is, please come down. Please, can you come a little quicker? But he doesn't panic. He lets it drop and takes his time and gets himself composed. And that's a perfect strike. That's the greatest thing about that. As a center forward, can I make a case for his third goal because of the movement to free himself up?

40:47How he sets up the defender, Nathan. He takes him inside, outside, and then back to the inside. By the time he goes back to the near post, Nathan sloths. I have no idea what it is. He doesn't. But that takes movement away from the ball. And that takes, actually, instinct as well, in that you're setting up your next move with your initial, okay I'm going to go this way he thinks I'm going that way I'm going to come back this way and by that time the defender is gone and on top of it then you have to finish it in the manner in which he did with a back heel so I'll make the case for the third goal just in the movement alone perfect hat trick of course left foot right foot header Stevie your hatch against Newcastle was that what it wasn't the perfect hat trick oh useless sorry disappoint well so speaking of disappointment Luis Ali brought this up on yesterday's show and I feel that we need to address it face to face.

41:37Am I correct, Ali, that you sent Luis out Merry Christmas? I did. And there was no response? Ignore me. Wow. Luis, ghosted me, totally. Luis, your defence? No. I have no defence. I hate Ali. Because he's one of my favourites. I was, I think, at some point doing something. I said I will text later and I forgot. Sorry, Ali. Well, it's disappointing. You should have heard the things he was calling you, Luis, it was disgusting. When he says I'm one of his favorites, but he did not return a Merry Christmas, I wonder how he feels about those that he's not his favorite. Well, that is very true, Luis.

42:23Thank you very much. Looking forward to another great year with you.

42:58That is it. That brings us to the end of today's show. Frank LaPuffalo hanging around, as is Ali and Stevie. I need to talk to Ali about something. Be sure to stay tuned to find out what... What? What? What? Welcome in then to the latest edition of Extra Time. We welcome the beautiful, the one, the only, Frank LePouffe, is with us, as is Stevie Nicholl. And as is someone who I thought was a colleague and then developed into a friend. However, that was shown very different this Christmas holiday, Ali, I'm afraid. Why is that, Dan? Well, I'm not sure if you're aware of something called Ding Dong Ditch.

43:34which I'm afraid I was a victim of during the Christmas holidays. What are you talking about, Dan? And it was the Moreno children who were involved. But I feel I know who was the ringleader. What? Or not once, but two separate evenings disturbing my very important evening regime. Ding-dong-ditch, I'm afraid, is something, Ali, that is very much frowned upon. And this is not... I know nothing of what you're talking about, Dan. I guess that's the American term for it. Yes, what's the English term? It's chap and run. Chap and run. There we go. No idea what you're talking about, Dan. Yeah, Ali, I do not believe you one bit.

44:09You wouldn't do that, huh? Of course he would. The ringleader of them all. No. Yeah, the Morenos. They wouldn't do this without Daddy's permission. Accusation. Is there evidence of this? Well, yes, I do have it on my ring doorbell. Oh, there you go. For your children. Oh, well. And am I anywhere in the picture? Your car is around the corner, parked. Can you see me at all? I can definitely see the car. So you said Melissa was driving. I have no idea what you all are talking about. This is a thought. Let's drive to West Ham to ding-dong, ding-dong. Merry Christmas and a happy new year. Frank, I hope you admire the brilliance of Harrison Reid's goal and not conduct a 10-minute analysis of how the Liverpool defence could have set up better.

44:51That was Steve Nicholl's excuse, of course. Frank, as well, was talking about the defence. Yeah, but the first thing I thought was to give him credit. You're not just appreciating a brilliant goal, one of the goals of the season. It's difficult to appreciate a great goal when it's against your team, Dan. You know what I mean? Well, I thought surely as an objective pundit you'd be able to do that. Well, I believe I said how great the goal was on the show. You could put aside former Liverpool legend. I won't apologise for what I said. Oh, all right. It's not that controversial. He could be getting another ding-dong ditch, by the way.

45:26That's what he's getting. What is it? Chap and run? Chap and run. Chap and run. When a team goes up late and then throws away the win because they didn't calm down and see it through, who is most responsible? Coach, captain or everyone, Frank? That's good, obviously referring to the fact when Gakpo scored, Liverpool thought they'd won it. And see that through. That's for... Give me the... Which team is that? What team goes to a play? Gakpo scored and then... Oh, OK, for Liverpool? Yes. Oh, yeah. You know, we know that when you score a goal, you have the tendency to slow down or maybe calm down, I don't know what it is, and lose a little bit the concentration that you should have.

46:15But who is the most responsible? The players. I would say the players because the coach cannot do anything, the captain cannot do anything. It's more the players on the field all together who didn't do the job. So I would say the players. Yeah, the players, but I would pull it in a little bit. Your captain, your experienced guys, your goalkeeper. You know, as Frank said, you know, when you're up late, the tendency is to drop deep, right? But that's when your experienced guys have to come in and play. Get everybody not to do that. So it's the goalkeeper in particular, because you shouldn't be letting people stand on your toes.

46:58Number one. And then your captain and your experienced guys around you. I mean, you've got World Cup winners in the team, but you're standing on the six-yard box. Yeah, that shouldn't happen. But it was a great goal, Dan. No, it was a fantastic goal. Fantastic goal. It's considered the goal of the season. It's definitely going to be in the top ten. And maybe number one. That's how good it is. Well, will it be king of the pitch? We'll see. Is that still going in 2026? What's the dressing room like after dropping two points? Are there scuffles between players or is it just silent? This is referring to the City game, of course.

47:37Frank? I think the outwards. People are getting upset. mostly the coach, the captain, the experienced player that Steve is saying. I think sometimes they point others because you try to understand what happened and how it's possible that you're dropping two points at the last minute. So you have to find somebody guilty I guess so some people can get very nervous and upset. What would you be like Ali in that situation? Well, it depends on what the circumstance is. If it's a terrible individual mistake, it's different than the team not recognizing a moment in which you have to step out or whatever the case may have been.

48:22So it really depends on how that goal comes about. If it was a controversial penalty kick call, for example, then all your negativity goes towards the referee and not to the player. Again, it depends on the circumstance and how that goal was scored. But it's never a good feeling. It's never a feeling which the locker room is like, that's all right, guys, we'll get him next time. It's never like that. It's funny because the two we're talking about today are the perfect examples of how different it should be, what the coach says. Okay. So the one with O 'Reilly, not only is it a young player that's made a mistake, but there's still other opportunities to clear it after that.

49:07and so you don't really want to be pointing the finger at O 'Reilly. You kind of, you don't brush over it, but you don't make a big thing of it. Okay. The Liverpool one, to me, is the opposite. If I'm the coach, I'm going in and I'm absolutely raising my voice and I'm absolutely pulling the captain out because the captain in Van Dijk was the nearest player who should have been closing the ball, but I'm also having to go at the goalkeeper and the other experienced guys. And it's along the lines of, I can't do anything when I'm sat on the bench. You guys need to take care of stuff. I can't do everything.

49:46So the goalkeeper's to blame because you didn't tell everyone to push out? Absolutely. Goalkeeper should get on the back, get off my toes and get out whenever you can. And Van Dijk should be closing the ball. And it's so different for both goals. Is there any argument to say, obviously I'm being in the dressing room, that Slott is hesitant to do that with Van Dijk because he's such an important player for Liverpool. But in doing that, sets an example to the others. Correct. At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter who it is. Right. Then it shouldn't. But there are exceptions. And one would be the young guy, O 'Reilly.

50:24A young guy who's just still learning the game. It's not a good time to dig him out. But the captain, when he's front to centre of it, Absolutely, because the young guys that go with the team and the 17th man or whatever it is, are sitting there and they're listening to the captain getting it. That's a great example for them that nobody, nobody is above taking criticism. Nobody. Especially when the captain, has gone after players on the field as he did with Kirkus. So when he has made it a point, to show somebody else up then as a manager you can also make the point hey you kept harry wilson on site okay you did this you didn't step out now you you wanna you wanna massage the situation you you don't just get in his face and do this but you point it out just do it and run no not not a chap and run no no no no not that but you you but you make sure that you deliver the message And this is when managing is more than just putting players in position.

51:36This is when you have to know who do you push and when do you push. Frank? Yeah, if you're the captain and, you know, if you're guilty for that, like Virgil van Dijk was, maybe you go in the dressing room and say, guys, that's for me. I should have gone for it and I'm very sorry about that. You know, to make sure that you take it and you show your position and the fact that you accept responsibility for that. But just to laugh about it, you know, I have friends in the Liverpool dressing room and I was told that Arnaud Slott started to point finger to Virgil van Dijk. You know what said Virgil van Dijk?

52:12Like Stevie, that was a great goal. That was a really great goal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You've got friends in the Liverpool dressing room who told you... I'm just joking. I'm just joking about the fact that Reid scored a fantastic goal, you know, and that Van Dyke has an excuse. That was a great goal. It was a nuanced joke. Sorry, Frank. There was a joke there, and then there was another layer to the joke. It's a cultural thing. Oh. Yeah. Lost in culture. I don't think I was listening properly. Ali. I got it. I got it, Frank. It was funny. Yeah, it was funny. I know. I know you got it.

52:46That's a Latin, Latin, Latin humor. That's not an Anglo-Saxon one. You know, whatever. What? Let me translate that. That's Latin humour, not Anglo. OK, all right. Thank you, Frank. Thank you very much. Ferrari, should Xavi Alonso bench Vinicius Jr. and play with Mbappe as the 7, Ramos as a 9, and Rodrigo as an 11? Well, it's a conversation that we had following the match, and that there's a conversation to be had that is, if Vinny continues to be a problem for Xavi Alonso and Real Madrid and his contract extension, and all of that is part of the conversation. And then you have, on the other hand, this young kid, Gonzalo Garcia, who's Real Madrid through and through, right?

53:29And he's scoring goals. And Kylian Mbappe has been telling you that I'd rather play on the left-hand side and have the freedom to go wherever I want to. And there is an opportunity there for Xavi Adonso to make that decision. However, if you make that decision, there is no coming back from it. There is no Vinny at Real Madrid in the future, if that indeed the case and the decision that you make. So that's when you have to be really careful as to how you go about making sure that this is exactly what you want. It's great to have Gonzalo Garcia scoring goals, but when Kylian Mbappe comes back from his injury, it's going to be Mbappe down the middle and Vinny on the left-hand side for the foreseeable future.

54:10Mr Moreno. Oh, I like that. Gonzales scored his first hat-trick. Do you remember your first? Yes, I do.

54:212004 against DC United in the old RFK Stadium. I'm guessing it wasn't the perfect hat-trick? Well, it was perfect to me, Dan. It was perfect to me. And the third goal was a back-heel goal. What was the total yardage of the three goals combined? I'm going to say it didn't get to 18. Right, okay.

54:46If I think about it, I'm serious. I don't think he got to 18 if you had them all three together. Did any of them hit the back of the net, man?

54:55Wait a minute. They were all side netting, so technically no. Stevie, you scored obviously a famous one against Newcastle. Was there one that preceded that at all in your professional career? No, no. Remind us of these goals.

55:14Erm... One was to the header outside the box, was it? Was that part of the hat trick? No. OK, good. No. No, you got my... I'm trying to think of the first one now. Right. It's a toe poke. Right. First one's a toe poke. What position were you playing? I was playing right midfield. First one is a toe poke. The third one is a dinky doo. Oh! Nice. YouTube. And the second one was from Moreno range. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh fantastic! And do you still have the ball? My son has the ball. Does he? He does, yes. Did Liverpool sign it? Not signing it by the way. Well yes, unfortunately as time has gone on, you can't see the signatures anymore.

55:57Oh that's a shame. Yeah, because I should have put it in a case and blah blah blah. It's not like you Stevie. No, I know. It was sitting in a loft for young. That's why I gave it to Michael. Michael. Michael, it's a ball. I think it's a ball for you. Just a quick question. Did it hit the back of the net? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Do you still have your ball, Ali? Yes, I do. Where is it? In the loft? I'm hearing it was only eight minutes, the hat trick. That's right. There you are. I'm concerned that Mike Rodriguez, our producer, looked it up because he didn't believe you. You think I made up the story?

56:33Actually, I think I scored that season. I scored in the first five or six shots that I took on target. Oh, nice. But how many shots on target did you have? Well, that's a different question, Dan. That's a different question. And where's the ball? The ball is somewhere in the basement in a box. There you go. The usual. Frank. Yes, I scored on that trick once. was two penalties and there was a third one made and made made by the same guy against uh khan in uh with strasbourg and i didn't want to shoot the the last one so i gave the ball to a friend of mine but i stayed up and the guy missed it and the ball came back to me and i scored

57:19yes yeah and i scored yeah and i scared i scored the three goals the second half and i I broke my eye the first half. But I was more efficient in my career with only one eye than two eyes. But we didn't have the football. In France, at the time, nobody gave me the ball, you know, and so I'm sad. I'm very sad. Yeah, of course. That's Frank's sad eyes. You're going to be all right, Frank. Good piece of acting, that, Frank. Frank, what's the vibe in Paris today? A deep question, but fear not. with the first Paris derby in Ligue 1 since 1978. Is this a big deal or just another match?

58:06It's not a big deal. It's nice because we all saw the two stadiums very close to each other, which wasn't the case when Paris FC was in Ligue 2. They were playing in another stadium. It's where the Stade Francaise in rugby plays as well. It's a very nice stadium, of course, smaller than the Pacte des Princes. But there is no animosity between the two clubs right now. They have to create something, a history, and it's mostly created by animosity. And it's going to be hard if that exists in some decades. But right now, it's just fun. It's just nice. And I think the two clubs, they appreciate each other.

58:42I went to see one game of Paris FC last time. And many former Paris Saint-Germain players were in the stand, like Rai, the Brazilian player, and some others. That's only nice. It's like they appreciate each other right now. Let's see how it works with the fans in 10 years from now. Why were you there? No way you were just there for fun. Who was paying you? No, no, no. I was invited by the club and that was very nice from them. Yes. And that was really nice. They drew that game the last minute, so it was quite good for the atmosphere. But it's nice. It's a very nice club. and with very good people working with it.

59:27Yep, who give out brown envelopes of fun. Thank you very much, Frank. Thank you very much, guys. Just a reminder, ESPN FC back on your screens tomorrow where inevitably we'll discuss Amerine's future with Mr. Mark Ogden.

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