Real Madrid's Benfica Revenge?

31:15Maybe Wey and other players will speak to Manji and say why it's a concern. But if he insists upon this being his stance, I think very quickly we start to see the way that he sees football and all those other players start to creep itself out as this tournament starts to get closer and closer. Because if he then turns into the manager who people don't want to be around, I'm sure there'll be a level of performance which will match that. I think Alex has had enough of it. No, I'll tell you why I kept you on, Alex. Because Spain are arguably, well, they are the favourites to win this tournament. Fans always travel, of course, to wherever they are.

31:46I'm just wondering what the conversation in Spain is like about the prices that we're seeing for this competition in the summer. Those prices are completely inaccessible to the vast majority of people here, Dan. You know here the cost of living is much cheaper than the States. Wages are much lower than the States. It's always expensive for people that live here to go to the US. I saw it myself at the Club World Cup at the Copa America the year before. and you look at these prices, there's no way that, like I say, the vast majority of Spanish football fans can afford that. Spain fans haven't traditionally travelled in the numbers that you see from some other countries, like the English fans, for example, but they do travel, they do turn up, like you say, they're the team-up, the favourites to win it.

32:25But yeah, it's a tiny percentage of Spanish football fans that can, thousands and thousands of dollars that are packaged to fly over and go to these games would be, like I say, it's a privileged few. If you go to, if you think about it, for the teams like Spain, probably, and maybe the South Americans, maybe England, and one or two other, France, and one or two others. You're looking at, and you're getting here before the game, the first game starts, obviously. So you're not getting there on the day of the game. You're getting there maybe a day or two earlier. So you could be here a good month, maybe 45 weeks.

32:57That's 45 weeks of travel, 45 weeks of hotel, plus transatlantic flights if you're coming from Europe. And obviously if you're coming from South America, It's a good 12-hour flight for most countries down there. So you've got the transatlantic or the long-haul flights, the four or five weeks if your team goes to the semis or the finals. You've got all the hotels, all the travel, all the food, all the beverage. And then on top of that, FIFA are ripping you off massively on the tickets. You try and compute, and I wouldn't worry. I just wouldn't go. I just wouldn't go. And I think a lot of people are going to be of that mindset and say, listen, how the hell can I go to America for a month and then pay, on top of all the costs for your transportation and your hotels, and then pay the crazy price to go in to watch a game?

33:49And by the way, as that tournament evolves and gets to the quarters and the semis, those tickets are going up and up and up, particularly when the resale goes on and you get all these tickets out going around. So, I mean, if a fan wants to follow one of the favourites for a whole month and pay for tickets, it is going to cost, with a family, with a single it's going to cost a lot, with a family, that is going to cost, with these tickets and everything else involved, an absolute fortune. Alex, we'll say thank you very much, mate, much appreciated. Joining us, Shaq Oanhirk, really strong on this subject as well, by the way, on Football Americas.

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36:14That's E-T-H-O-S dot com slash sports. Ethos dot com slash sports. Application times and rates may vary. Premier League action then this weekend. Early start for the league leaders. They're away against Leeds. Wolves Bournemouth, Brighton Everton, Chelsea West Ham. Liverpool, Newcastle rounds up the day at Anfield. Sunday sees Aston Villa against Brentford. United, Fulham. Nottingham Forest against Crystal Palace. Monday it's Sunderland against Burnley. but let's focus on the late game shall we on Sunday Tottenham Hotspur against Manchester City Natham it's weird because you haven't been on for a while and whilst Manchester City have got worse their position in the title race has got better

37:02that's um that's quite well put for you to be honest but yeah I think I think it's a valid point and for Arsenal in these last few weeks you would have thought they've given the stumblings of City the general stumblings to a certain extent of Villa they should probably have a 10 plus point gap now between themselves and others they've been the most consistent side and they should be rewarded as such but no somehow they're still very much in this title race even like look at the goal difference and the four points like come the end of Sunday you know that could be one point but then on the other side of it it could be seven again because one thing about Man City and Spurs like the games at that Tottenham Hotspur Stadium Spurs have really fancied their chances against City, I think City have only beaten them once there in the Premier League since they moved but if they're going to be a side that's going to be winning the Premier League, these chances that keep landing at their feet they can't keep turning them down forever they have to go to Spurs, they have to find a way to win that game, because I expect Arsenal to go to Leeds and to do well and to win that game so the pressure's going to be on, and if they want to win a league title, they can't really afford to drop many more points, so Sunday, roll on, three points or nothing else.

38:02Right, you're in the court of law now, wow in a court of law, raise your right hand. Raise your right hand. Ask City capable of putting a run together to pressure this Arsenal team. Raise your right hand. Why does he have to be under oath to say that? You're under oath. Can City, come on, come on, can they put some sort of title chance together?

38:33Your Honour, the difference between can they and will they could be quite broad at this moment in time and I'm going to plead the fifth and not say anything else about this matter but there is a chance and that's all you need You've given yourself you still hope there's still hope there's always hope but I'll put it one way regardless of what Tottenham have done in the Champions League right Manchester City should go there even with their issues even with areas of their team that have not functioned properly certainly recently they should still go there and take this Tottenham team apart because they have been terrible in the Premier League.

39:11They've been dreadful at home. They relied on a late Romero header, a late goal to get a 2-2 draw at almost certainly relegated Burnley. And that's been the story of their season. This Champions League is some sort of salvation for Thomas Frank. It's just came about like this has sort of saved them. but their league form, their league position does not lie. They are, yes they have some players coming back like Solanke and one or two others but they are not a good side. They are a manager that I don't think the players believe in. The fans certainly don't believe in him and I don't think he believes that he's the man for that job if I'm being honest and I think City should, particularly if they can get Erling Haaland final again, should take them apart and as Nadam said, they need to.

40:03They need to do it because these teams can't rely on Arsenal slipping up. I mean, they might do. Arsenal, they might do. But as a chasing pack, you can't rely on that and City have to go out and do it for themselves. If they're going to do it, obviously, Nadam, is it just an obvious answer they just need to keep clean sheets?

40:27I don't know, actually. That's a good question. I wouldn't necessarily say clean cheats as such because there's some games for example where defensively could be good but still concede I think in some ways like this last say month where they've not been doing as well maybe it's because of Holland hasn't been taking some of his chances, I think City themselves have been guilty of that to a certain extent defensively there have been a couple of games in there, especially that United game where it's basically like the doors are wide open, go and do as you please but they'd be hoping with the likes of Mark Gehi being in now, Ruben Diaz to be coming in in the next couple of weeks that maybe defensively, and even Mateus Nunes, I wouldn't have thought Mateus Nunes would be a big return for City in terms of boosting how they play.

41:05But yeah, I'm not necessarily going to live and die by those clean sheets, but I will say, if their attack clicks into gear, they are the top scorers in the Premier League right now, and teams will concede in this back half of the season. But if they find a way to be scoring two goals a game, three goals a game, I doubt that they'll be conceding two and three and dropping too many points between now and the end of the season, in my opinion. Well, Mateus Nunes is a big player to come back, but he shouldn't be. That's where they're at. That's where they're at. I mean, he's a good player. He's not a full-back, but they did miss him in the Manchester Derby in particular and other games.

41:35I think he had the flu or he was unwell the day of that game, couldn't play. But that's not where they should be, that they're relying on a guy who is really a weak point of their team. The full-back positions are a weak point, regardless of how Nico O 'Reilly has done. At left-back at times, certainly early in the season, it shouldn't be a case, we were saying, boy, Matthias Nunes needs to come back because we need him at right back. For want of repeating myself, they should have addressed that. And, you know, Rico Lewis has come in at times. And, you know, when he first came into the team as a youngster and it was all sort of, you know, energetic and it was all new and it was fresh and he looked good.

42:15But I think doing that over a longer period and coming in, as he has done recently at times, has been a struggle for him. And I think that's why he hasn't played. so yeah I mean they have to address these areas within the personnel they have because if they don't it's quite simple they just do not win this Premier League and they certainly won't win the Champions League unless they can sort these areas out. I've been told you want to talk about Liverpool Newcastle. Well if I want to, no I mean well I was going to talk about everybody because I was going to take on the Kieran Gibbs sort of way of watching football.

42:54No, don't take that. Where you just watch all the golf games. Look, I think this is a huge game. Again, a bit like Tottenham, I think you can forget Liverpool's Champions League run, right? The proof isn't the pudding, it's your Premier League. And in their Premier League, yeah, they had an unbeaten run, there was a lot of draws, but they lost last time out at Burnley. And what was the issues? the issues were the same old problems that's afflicted them for all of the season. Big mistakes from key players and, you know, new guys that Kirk is getting cut out and Van Dijk throwing his up. So, these and Van Dijk want a free kick here.

43:32That's all pie in the sky. There's no foul in there. But this, to me, encapsulates Liverpool's season and where they are more than what the Champions League did. More than beating Carabao 6-0. More than beating, you know, an off colour interside in Milan. More than any of that, their Premier League form or lack of, I think is a bigger barometer of where they are. And this is a game where if Newcastle win, they go above them in goal difference. So it's about who's going to have the momentum for the second half of the season to finish in the Champions League places. Because neither of those two sides are winning the Premier League, not a Cat and Helge chance.

44:12So this is a huge game for momentum to get into that top four or five whatever it is for the champions league football and to try and quell some of those doubters out there that keep saying about Arnish Law you're not figuring it out you're not figuring out you can't figure out Mo Salah you can't figure out your front line you can't figure out Florian Verts no matter what people say and your big bad captain is continuing to make mistakes is that going to continue this weekend against a pretty good Newcastle side. What do you think, Natham?

44:47You know, I think that's fair. I think something that was quite interesting to see was Eddie Howe making changes in midweek for that game against PSG, almost as if he was taking the game against Liverpool on the weekend as being the priority, which I thought was very, very interesting with some of the players like Gordon and others and Barnes coming off the bench. Gimoresh as well not being on the bench, but not necessarily getting involved, getting minutes either. So I think he really fancies these chances. and it's understandable. I think the highlights that we just saw there from that Liverpool game, for example, game against Bournemouth, you can see that they're a team that you can go and get at.

45:19I think some of the mistakes that we're seeing from this year, we've not seen them play like this for such a long time. But as every week passes where the mistakes are still showing, there's more belief that the opposition will take. And I think Newcastle will fully fancy themselves to be able to go to Anfield and, you know, cause that sort of disruption and shock that would, you know, take them above Liverpool, as Craig said. I also wanted to talk about Chelsea West Ham. But that's taken us over the 43th. Three minutes you told me. Can you see? I've already crossed it out. No, we're not doing that.

45:44Well, I'm good with that. We'll be looking back at our O-League matches. And Barcelona, we've got tomorrow as well. Me and Craig will be here. Did he put that in the rundown? It's in the rundown. It's here. I crossed it out. Oh, he's not right in the head. I'm only joking. Rich Eisen here. The tax deadline will be here before you know it. And you just want to know your taxes are actually being handled. But the old way? You hand everything off and then silence. Days pass. weeks pass you start wondering should I send another follow-up email it feels like you're chasing updates and getting nowhere but now taxes are different because your taxes are done for you by a TurboTax full-service expert with into a TurboTax you can match with your dedicated tax expert and hand off everything right in the app and while your expert checks for every deduction you'll see real-time updates on your phone so you always know exactly where things stand.

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47:45Gab and Jules, of course, breaking down what happened in the Champions League this week on the latest edition of their show. That is available to listen to now. That is it. That brings us to the end of today's show. So, Nadam hanging around, Craig as well, to answer some of your questions, which include, if you could have dinner with any celebrity, who would it be? Great analysis coming up.

48:12Welcome in to the next edition of Extra Time. I'm Dan Thomas. Craig Burley is here. Nadam joins us as well. Nadam, we have a clip of you that we'd like you to explain, if you wouldn't mind, please. Mike found it somewhere. I don't know where. But here it comes. This is Nader making a cup of tea. And the significance of this is what? Sometimes you've got to love yourself, Dan Thomas. There it is. It's that so no one else will drink from it. No one else wants that in their life when they're drinking. Listen, Dan, depends who's at my house. If I'm feeling quite torturous, what I will do is I'll make them a drink in that mug and they have to drink from me.

48:48Yes. Which is usually quite a fletch, which I enjoy doing. You should get one of yours made with your horrible teeth. My hedge tip. With your lack of teeth. My head's too big. Yeah, that's very true. And your nose. Right, any chance Mbappe gets frustrated enough to move on from Real Madrid?

49:05I don't think so, Nadem. No. Where does he go from there? He's done the Paris thing. He's done the Real Madrid. Swap deal with Haaland? No, he couldn't. No, no. I think he'll just be around Madrid for the majority of the time in Europe. You'd prefer Mbappe to Haaland, surely. Surely you'd prefer Mbappe to Haaland?

49:30To be fair, I'm trying to decide who I think works harder.

49:36No, I'm happy with Haaland. He's got the history. I'll keep him. What happens in these situations? Because I've been in it. What are you talking about? I'll tell you what happens. He won't want to go. I'm sure. Maybe he does want to go to the Premier League at some point, but when you're at Real Madrid in Barcelona, Why do you want to go to the Premier League? As if it's some sort of holy grail. You've still got to go to Burnley away and all those grounds. You know yourself, what will happen here if fortunes don't turn is that the president will pull him upstairs, promise him a king's ransom, tell him he's sacking this, that and the next thing and he's going to go and bring in this player, that player and that player.

50:17So they'll just promise him that they're going to go and build everything around him just to make him happy. Who would you have if you were building a team tomorrow? Mbappe or Haaland? If I was... For the long term, I mean, I would have Mbappe at the moment. Yeah. Should Manchester United sell Bruno and go for Villa's Rodgers or Chelsea's homesick Cole Palmer? Or should they take a punt on Olmo, even though the likes of Virts is having difficulty adapting to the intensity and fast pace in England? Well, let's address a couple of things. Rodgers is a really good player, obviously. Possibly going to start for England if it continues.

50:58And that's another talking point. Palmer, he might be homesick for Manchester, I don't know, but he isn't the Cole Palmer of 18 months ago. What was the other part of the question? Danny Olmo. No, Danny Olmo. Danny Olmo is a risk because of injuries. And that has been proven from RB Leipzig, even to Barcelona. He's fit at the moment. He's playing well, he's scoring some good goals. But he's been out the side for quite a bulk of games over the period that he's been back at Barcelona. And I don't get the selling Bruno Fernandes. I don't know why you would have that talk when he's not the problem.

51:41Yeah, it might not be. We could probably debate. I suppose you get the money then, don't you? You're going to get... Are you going to sell at United where you're going to get the most money from Bruno? You're getting the money and then you're replacing a productive, very productive, experienced player with proven end product. Albeit, he's a bit of a moaner, he's a bit of a whinger, he's probably not captain material, but he's very productive. Particularly now that he's moved further forward since a manager with half a brain's come in and he's put him in that number 10 role. why would you sell that to have to go and buy a player that may or may not be as productive?

52:21The Fernandes thing, unless you could sell him for the craziest amount of money that you were going to be able to go and get three players. But if you saw the rumours yesterday about what Palace were offering Wolves for Strand Larson. Yeah, 45 million. 45 million plus a 5 million add-on. I mean, that tells you that even if you've got 100 million for a player now, that that 100 million is gone unless you can find a free transfer. Because when players, he's an international, but he's not ahead of Haaland, he's not ahead of Sorloff, and he doesn't always start at Wolves. I think he's got one goal in 21 games.

53:0750 million! So you can't replace these players? Almost as much as Nadam got when he moved to QPR. £50. And a packet of Chris. That just tells you where the game is. When a player of that ilk, and that's the money that we're talking about. That is just stupid. Nadam, what's going on with Cole Palmer? I really don't know, to be honest. I think some of these injury issues, like he looks like he's trying to rush himself back, but then he's not fully fit, then he's back out again. but in fairness he got two assists in midweek in the Champions League so maybe this is his sort of return and if there was to be a player that would be homesick by the way based on all the stuff I've seen from him his interviews and so on it would be Cole Palmer definitely seems like he's a proper Mancunian boy and those bright lights of London they're for some people but maybe not for everyone so maybe he's homesick but does he really need to go to United?

53:57I'm not so sure I never get this specific I know everybody's different you left home when you were 16 yeah? yeah they got rid of you? yeah they kicked me out yeah so I don't know mum and dad there seems to be two large suitcases we've had a chat and a single and a single ticket to London yeah so yeah I look I was homesick anybody even but I was homesick for a six-month period or nine months and I was 16 years old and there was no cell phones or anything then but and I get everybody's different but I don't I don't And Naeem's travelled around, of course he has, up and down the country, abroad. And sometimes you gravitate back to Manchester or wherever it is, sometimes you don't.

54:42But I just don't understand barring real family issues, which obviously are of paramount importance. If you need to be back somewhere because there's an issue with your kids or it's a health issue. But if it's a work issue, I think you just have to deal with that. because it's a very short career. And I get it, everybody is built differently. But, you know, I remember Sean Maloney, when he left Celtic and he went to Aston Villa, he's now coaching. He was homesick for Glasgow. I was like, really? There's six fly-bee flights a day for 100 bucks and it takes 40 minutes. I thought you meant, really, he missed Scotland.

55:31who misses Scotland? Who misses Manchester? I know. I mean, come on, I lived in London and Nathan lived in London, I lived in Hertfordshire. It's beautiful out there. So, you know, I don't, unless there is some draw, I think when you're a player in a very short, short-ish career, I think you could, I think you should be putting up with stuff like that and broadening your horizon for a 10 or 15 year period. Come on. What's next for Raheem Sterling, Nadeem?

56:05That is a great question. I think he is a player that, in the grand scheme of things, isn't really that old. He's been priced out of the market for so many different places in the last couple of seasons. I was hoping, in some ways, that move to Arsenal last year would be the type of thing that would, not necessarily kick-start his career as such, but just give him some of that joy again of playing week-in, week-out, scoring goals. But, I don't know, it just didn't work out there either. So now that it's not worked out the last two clubs he's been at, the market becomes smaller and smaller and smaller and I think Craig will probably say this as well there's a point where you as a player the difference between how you value yourself and how others value you as soon as it becomes too wide you find yourselves in some awkward situations and maybe that's where Raheem is right now in regards to whatever football he can produce I don't think many people are going to be seeing any real leverage from him and I think they carry it all now and he's probably going to end up somewhere where you know we probably never thought we'd see Raheem still in his early 30s But you know, if he can accept that...

57:01And somebody can put together a package, because it's a risk, right? He's now at that stage where, you know, he was at Liverpool, he was at City, he was productive. His numbers actually at Chelsea are not as bad, particularly early on. Certainly they're up there with quite a lot of the current players. But obviously at the end, it's been a drop-off for him. and when you get to that stage, you're now at risk for the bigger boys. So if you want him to go and play where you still think potentially you can, if a club can put together a package which is just purely incentivised, then it's a no-brainer.

57:43If I'm, and I'm not saying this, but if I'm, you know, I'm not suggesting it's Tottenham or Newcastle or anybody, all right, but if I'm a player who needs somebody for six months or ten months, But I don't want to throw the kitchen sink at it. And I can put a package together where if the player does well, then we do well, and he gets remunerated, then everyone's a winner. But if you give him 50, 100 grand a week up front and he comes in and it's kind of how it's been, then that's a risk. And I don't see a club taking that with Raheem Sterling unless he's willing to accept that it might be, and I don't know what the figures are these days, but back in the day it would have been three or four grand a week up front and maybe double that if you played well.

58:35Put some zeros on the end now. Yeah, you can't even quadruple it. I've not even got a word for it. But it's all relative, you know. If you're on a certain wage and you're playing bonus, if you play four games a month and you're on double your wages to play, then you're making your money up. And if you don't play, you don't get that money. So it's very... Does he need the money? He's so rich. He's earned so much money over the time. Well, I don't know many people that go out and play for free. OK. I just don't. I mean, I've not yet heard of a professional footballer. No, but when you're talking about demands and packages, does there come a point where you're just for the love of the game, just for playing?

59:20Well, yeah. I mean, I suppose there is for some, but it's still not coming. The number is still not zero. No. I mean, you love this show. Yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. He said he would do it. Yes, I do. I heard you say. Yes, I don't quite have Raheem Sterling zero. That's the problem. Nadam? You could do that pay as you play. You don't turn up. You don't pay as you play. You should phone the boss, say, I don't need the money, I'm not coming in today. And Steve goes, Nadam, City's still in full competition. Is there any chance they can win the quadruple? Absolutely not going to happen whatsoever.

1:00:04No. It's... No. So how many are you having? No. Caramel Cup, maybe? Next question. Caramel Cup, what, your face, Arsenal in the final? Caramel Cup. Well, you never know. could be Chelsea, you know, in fairness, can't rule out Newcastle, but if City get there, I fancy their chances. In the league, we need Arsenal to, we need to see Arsenal dropping some more points to see City and Villa have a chance. I'm not 100 % sure about that. The FA Cup next round's against Salford. You would fancy them to win that game. Yes. Like last year. Yeah. And then Champions League. Real Madrid, in theory, in the next round, if they get past Benfica, if the draw goes away.

1:00:36You know, as you know yourself, Dan, you know, the beaten realm did already this year at the Bernabeu, so there's no real fear as such. You know, I've done it before. No, that's fair enough. I think the fact that they qualified in eighth is probably going to be a bigger concern when it gets around to the last 16 and so. But we'll see. Maybe if you put an incentive in front of them. A couple of extra thousand a week. A couple of extra thousand? They'll be like, what the heck is that? Come on, big Ireland, a couple of extra. Yeah. If you could have dinner... Oh, no. What's your thought on Arteta's suggestion that the Premier League match day squad should increase from 20 to 23 to match the Champions League.

1:01:11That's a lot of players. No, let's do celebrities. That's much more fun. If you could have dinner with any celebrity, past or present, who would it be? Well, it would have to be sports. Shall I tell you mine? Yeah. Mine, I'm going to cheat because it's one of the guests on here, but with all of his teammates. So going out with Stevie and all those Liverpool boys from the 80s just to tell me Stevie stories would be brilliant. Because you can't drink anymore. Exactly. You'd be like a spare part at a wedding. I don't need to drink. I just need to drink. Who's the little nuisance in the corner? What do you think I'd be doing in the corner?

1:01:45You shouldn't be drinking. Well, you'd be doing the same as you did that till I introduce you to Jeff Sterling of Sky Sports. Oh, what a night that was. In Berlin, you'd have been fawning over him. Jeff Sterling would be there. Oh, Jeff! Jeff, it's so great to meet you. He was like this all night. I was, Jeff. Absolutely, what a great guy. Help me be a better presenter. That's the one good thing you've brought to my life. Jeff Sterling. let me tell you it was the only good thing that happened in berlin berlin uh tiger woods tiger woods what a night that would be i don't know he's not that much fun is he how do you know well because you just kind of get the the sense that he doesn't have bring much to the party old school tiger woods oh yeah old school would bring a lot to the party yeah well to be fair i'm about the same need i mean you know now old school me would have been a bit different yeah so once you've gone on what do you think of yeah yeah well you i would hope me would help my Chipping?

1:02:37Yep. No, I don't think so. Although I had them myself. Right, okay. You and Tiger have got a lot in common. Tiger and Chipping's not very good. Yeah. So Tiger Woods? Okay. I'm not really big into people. Celebrities. Celebrities. I can do without them. Maidam? So I've met Nelson Mandela, that was incredible. Yeah. But in terms of living, I'd probably go for Denzel Washington. Ah. But if he's unavailable, Sofia Vergara. Thank you very much.

1:03:06Who? Oh man. You don't know who she is? Who? Modern Family? Does that ring a bell? No. No, she's Gloria from Modern Family. No. I don't want to say any more actually. Because this is my wife, my wife. That is it. That brings it. That's Nadem. I don't think Nelson Mandela and Sofia Begara has ever been mentioned in the same sentence. But we've achieved that now. ESPN FC returns to your screens tomorrow. Barcer in action, Liverpool as well.

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