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28:04Well, I think Luis Enrique Welch, he doesn't have the natural striker like Bayern have. you know they have Gonzalo Ramos who's on the bench he doesn't really play but they have Dembele and Dewey and Cavet Scalier and Barcola and so it's just it's a different blend you know and then they have you know obviously you know they're hard pressed to find a midfielder who is more efficient on the ball than Vettinia in the middle of the park along with Neves obviously Fabian Ruiz is out at the moment so you really would if you said Bayern Munich people would go So yeah, you said PSG. It is that close between these sides, which makes, I think, a much more competitive game, not in terms of scoreline, than Real Madrid.

28:49Maybe in terms of the possession of the ball, scrapping over who's controlling the game. Because over these two games, that wasn't up for debate. Bayern Munich controlled the games, both of them. The big question is, in the head-to-head with PSG, who's going to win the wrestle for control of the game in the middle of the park? because none of them are going to, I don't think any of them are going to take, play second string here and say, oh, you can have the ball for 70 % of the time. No chance. That's not how these two teams play. So it is going to be absolutely fascinating. And if this is a nil-nil between these two, I will be sure.

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31:24Arsenal hosted Sporting in the other of the Champions League quarterfinals. Not too much to report on this game. 65th minute, Sporting did want a penalty when Araujo was pushed inside the box by Mosquera, but it wasn't given. No goals were scored, but of course Arsenal did take that 1-0 advantage into the game, and it is Arsenal who progressed to the semis. Jürgen, let me start with you. Should Sporting have had a penalty in the 65th minute there with that moment that we just saw? No, I don't think so. Well, to keep it short. No, I mean, we saw, I made reference to the push on Michael Alissi by Carreras in the back in the first game.

32:09Bizarrely not even was looked at, wasn't given. the PSG Liverpool game, there was a blatant push by Ibrahim Kanati in the back of Mendy. Blatant, as he was about to cross the ball, wasn't given. Those were blatant barges and pushes. This was... When this first happened at real time, I said penalty. But then as soon as you saw the replay, I'm not denying there was... But it wasn't a push. he literally touched his back and as Casey said the player knew the ball was already gone and threw himself over they did look at it and I think they came to the same assessment so yeah, no penalty Alright, so it is Arsenal against Atleti now in the semi-finals how do you see that one going?

32:58Coin toss Arsenal a big favourite I don't see that I don't see that either I don't see if you'd have said to me back when Arsenal played Bayern before Christmas and beat them at the Emirates a different Arsenal side. This was an Arsenal side that hadn't been beaten the Carabao Cup final by Man City playing very negatively. It hadn't been beaten by Southampton in the FA Cup quarterfinal. It hadn't been beaten recently by Bournemouth at home. It hadn't lost its form. It hadn't started to worry about what might happen in terms of Man City catching them. They were not playing with fear back then. So if you'd have said to me then I would agree with that.

33:40But not now. And I'll go the other side because I call Atletico Madrid a lot. This is not an Atletico Madrid where Julian Alvarez goes four months without scoring. This isn't an Atletico Madrid where Antoine Griezmann goes six months without scoring. Key players are back in form at the right time. They get through against Barcelona. They have a cup final at the weekend. they know their league position is finished. They're in fourth place. They're going to qualify for the Champions League. Everything's fine. Now it's this 100 % focus on cups. And they roll over Barcelona, and now they have a chance to win a cup final.

34:25And to Craig's point, one team seems to be moving in the right direction, and one team seems to be moving in the wrong direction. I had a look when we finished. It might be wrong. But they're through. But I believe it was one shot on target again tonight, or thereabouts, from Arsenal. And that kind of sums them up. Are they going to get over that? When you look at the panache of Bayern and PSG, is how Arsenal play at the moment A, enough to beat Atleti, and B, enough to beat one of those other two? Unless their fortunes change. Atletico Madrid have at the moment, which Arsenal don't have. And Casey mentioned it.

35:06And that is a guy in Antoine Griezmann who's just, he's leaving in the summer, he's coming to Major League Soccer to Orlando, but he just looks like he's a player wanting to go out on a high at this football club where he's been for many a year, apart from the little stint at Barcelona. If you look at a lot of the games recently, particularly the last game against Tottenham in the Champions League, and then the two games against Barcelona, His positional play and his passing and his ability to play a pass and see a pass early is something that Arsenal thought they were having with Odegaard and Eze, but it's kind of gone.

35:49And that's why they're not creating chances. They don't have the guile that they had early in the season. They don't have their playmakers fit and playing well. Atletico Madrid have that at the moment. Yeah, they've got their faults at the back and so on and so forth and so forth. but this game's a lot tighter now than it would have been a while back. And let's not forget, you know, we don't know what shape Arsenal are going to come in. As Casey said, for Atleti, it's about Copa del Rey and Champions League. Nothing else matters for them. Everything else is done. The league's done. The top four's done.

36:21They're fine. Rest players. For Arsenal, what shape are they going to come into these two games? Are they going to lose at Man City at the weekend? Are they going to be panicking and creaking and cracking in this title race? because they already look as if they are. So just what mindset are they going to come in? Are they going to be sort of almost defeated and, you know, desperate because they've had this Premier League title in their grasp for almost 80 % or 90 % of the season? And by the time these games come along, it might be, you know, falling off the cliff. You know, that's going to play a big part in how they come into this game, these two games with Atleti, because at the moment, no matter what way, Mikel Ateta paints this picture in the press conferences about fire and there's no fear and so forth.

37:15There is. They have a fear of stuffing this season up and it's showing in the field at the moment. Yeah. One picture we can paint is one win in their last five for Arsenal, Jürgen. What's wrong with Arsenal right now? Well, as Casey and Craig said rightfully, I mean it's about timing and the timing is shifting a little bit for Arsenal in the wrong way, I would say. But I mean it's now all mental. It's all mental to step it up, get your act together and then go out there and grab that opportunity. And this is obviously a huge, huge opportunity if they beat Atletico Madrid, then going in a Champions League final.

37:55It's big, big. But how things are going in the last couple of weeks, you get more and more the feeling that they are getting worried to lose all these opportunities. If you are scared to fail, you will fail. So, I mean, I hope for Arteta that he turns into a positive spirit again and they go after the trophies that they are still capable to win. Obviously, the Premier League is still there for them to grab and it's in their power. And the Champions League will be, this will be, for me, Arsenal absolutely is not the favorite in that game. I think, you know, Atletico actually has the moment on their side because beating Barcelona is a huge, huge deal.

38:38I mean, this makes them so confident now. It makes them so hungry right now. And obviously, you know, with Diego Simeone pumping them up on a level of aggressiveness that you don't see from any other team in Europe. I mean, they are damn nasty. I mean, they go after you. They play the referee. You know, the crowd is getting in. I mean, this is an incredible, I would say, environment that built Simeone over so many years now that when it really matters, and now it matters in a Champions League semifinal, everybody is pumped up to the extreme in that Atletico environment. And I call everybody in there, not only the players.

39:15I mean, it's the bench, it's the crowd, it's everybody. So it's a huge, huge mountain to climb for Arsenal. Do they have the quality for it? Yes, they do. Do they have the players for it? Yes. But now it's the time for those exceptional kind of players that Arsenal has. They need to step it up and they need to prove that point. It's not going to be easy. Yeah, now they need the fire for it. So these two teams have met, as Craig mentioned, in the league phase when Arsenal had that win. but then in terms of European knockouts, this is a two-legged tie in the Europa League in the 17-18 season. Atleti won the tie and went on to win the final.

39:53Yeah, but no, but this is... That doesn't mean anything. It's almost 10 years ago. Let's see what this means. Atleti against Real Sociedad on Saturday. 1937, you know. Well, I suppose earlier this season can tell us for something. We've got an hour-long preview coming up, Craig, this weekend for the Copa del Rey final. We've got loads to talk about with Athleti now. Thank goodness.

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41:53Sign up for your$1 per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.com slash network. Go to Shopify.com slash network. Shopify.com slash network. In Spain right now, sports newspaper front page so unfair. And the narrative is refereeing decisions going against Barcelona. Here's what Barca president Joanne Laporta has had to say. First of all, congratulations to Atletico for reaching the semi-final. But that doesn't take away from the refereeing, which was a disgrace. For Eric's red card, Jules Koundé could easily have got to the ball. So Eric wasn't the last man. The referee had the yellow card out and the VAR stepped in again.

42:39Ferran's offside goal was a goal. There was a penalty on Dani Olmo and the aggression on Fermín is unacceptable. His lip was completely bust open, not even a booking. We filed a complaint after the first leg and UEFA said it was inadmissible. The club will also make another complaint because what's inadmissible is what's happened to us on Tuesday once again. Rafinha also spoke after the game and said I don't know how many fouls Atletico made and he didn't book them. It's human to commit one error, but for it to happen again in another game, we played really well, but this tie was robbed from us.

43:15It was tough, especially when we see that we need to put in three times the effort to win the match. I really want to understand why the referee is so scared of Barca getting through the tie. All right. It just seems to be an ongoing theme here. And it's getting quite embarrassing, actually. Now, let's address some of the things Laporta has said, which, let me preface it by saying it's all nonsense. Let's address the individual points. OK, start with the red card. The Eric Garcia red card. Well...

43:59you can't argue that if Alexander Sorloff takes it on his right foot,

44:05he's going to get a strike at goal. Koundy's not going to guarantee to make a challenge. They checked the offside, he was onside. So I think we all agreed yesterday that if he'd taken that ball slightly to the right a little bit, he was going to have a goal scoring opportunity, right? Let me address the Fermin Lopez

44:31head knock, which was a lot of blood. Moussa made himself really big in front of an oncoming player who's coming towards him. The goalkeeper, he stood his ground. He's thrown his left leg out to make a great save and Fermin Lopez's momentum from the diving header has actually taken him into the goalkeeper. It's an unfortunate incident that resulted in a lot of blood. Absolutely. But it was no fault of the goalkeeper whatsoever. And it was not a free kick. No fault of the player either. It's just an accident. As for the Ferran Torres goal, he was clearly offside. Now, the ball takes a deflection off a defender.

45:09But the defender, if Jean Laporta is able to somehow understand the laws of the game, the defender has to be in control of that ball to reset the play. And he's not. He's just trying to make a challenge. So Ferran Torres was clearly offside. And as for the Dani Almo one, I think most of us agreed yesterday that, yeah, there was a little bit of contact, but Dani Almo sort of bundles himself and buckles himself to the ground. So this is from the Barcelona chairman, sorry, Presidente. I mean, it's just, it's really embarrassing, I think. Has Leparta got a point on any of these decisions, Jürgen? No, I don't think so.

45:51I mean, I think Craig is right in every single incident there. But for Laporta, I can only say, you know, I've been in these situations, you know, a big, big game like this is over. And you look at these small incidents and they didn't go your way. And you want to just, you know, justify yourself why you didn't move on into the semifinals of the Champions League. And then you make those comments. I think, you know, with a day or two distance to that game, Laporta would make different statements, would look at it again and say, OK, you know, here we can argue, go back and forth. You know, we could have gone this or that way.

46:26But I agree absolutely with Greg. All those incidences were totally fine, were the right calls from the referees. And, yeah, there's so much emotions coming in into play, you know, for the players right after the game, for Laporta, obviously, as the president of such a big club, You know, there's anger, there's, you know, and then you have the camera in front of you, the microphones in front of you, and then you say things like that. I think, you know, he would probably say today every incident said differently. The Fermin Lopez incident, Jürgen, was a really ugly one, unfortunately, for the young man.

47:01But you've been in that position as a striker where that ball's coming in and you're diving to get the header. And it's an occupational hazard, isn't it? sometimes there's a collision with the goalkeeper or a centre-half. Oh, absolutely. And those are brutal moments. I mean, you might get knocked out. You know, it happened to me twice in the Premier League. One time they stitched my mouth with 11 stitches and I was out for almost 10 minutes with a concussion, you know. But it doesn't make any sense then to blame other people for it. You go into those situations, you know the risk, you know, you might clash against the defender or the goalkeeper.

47:45Unfortunately, it's part of the game. Sometimes it goes your way and you maybe score out of a situation like that. But sometimes you get really hurt and you will have a headache for a couple of days. It's unfortunate, but it's part of it. Yes, we will be talking no doubt about more refereeing decisions tomorrow. Sid Lowe is on the show to bring us a reaction to fame. I will bring the latest on Uwe Ekotike as well. He underwent scans today, but France manager Didier Duchamp has confirmed that the player will miss the rest of the season and the World Cup. So we wish Ekotike well. More on that coming up on tomorrow's show.

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49:55He's having a brilliant season, isn't he, Jürgen, with Bayern Munich? Yeah, obviously, thankfully for Bayern Munich that Liverpool let him go. And it turned out to be a perfect transfer there for the Bundesliga and especially for Bayern Munich. Because Luis, the fans love him in Munich. He kind of glided into his role there quietly. He seems not a very outgoing person from the outside. And people really, I talk to a lot of fans there too, they adore him. and the performances speaks for himself. I mean, he's playing outstanding football there, he scores his goals, he's providing a lot of assists, especially to Harry Kane.

50:42So it was a perfect transfer for Bayern Munich. I think he wanted to go. Well, and I think Liverpool felt that the money they were being offered, it just it was more than they felt that Diaz was worth and that they could use that money to strengthen the team. In the end, it's worked out a lot better for Bayern. Would Madrid have gone through if Courtois was in goal? Potentially. I mean, or he could have thrown one in. You know, we all have them. But, I mean, any time you don't have your best players on the pitch, it puts you at a disadvantage. And obviously, Courtois is one of the best in the world and could have quite possibly, you know, helped.

51:25We'll never know. Jürgen, what makes Vincent Kompany such the perfect fit as the manager at Bayern?

51:34Well, Vincent is extremely, extremely good to just stay focused on the football side of things. You know, he's just focused on his team and on his training sessions and the games. He stays out of any type of political discussions. And at Bayern Munich, there's always a lot of politics going on. a lot of people have a say, but he stays out of that. He's focused purely on the sporting side and this is making him, yeah, it makes him very, very positive. He's getting along with all the players. The players are full of compliments for him. Obviously, he's fairly young still, so it's easier for him to connect to a lot of the players because of age.

52:16And he's, yeah, He's very logical in everything that he presents. He's very polite to the media, he's very polite to anybody out there. And it seems to be really the perfect fit for right now. He, just briefly, he's slightly different from Thomas Tuchel in terms of style. And I think it suits Bayern with these players. A bit more expansive. More football, quicker passing, very attacking. And if you look at, obviously it's a huge jump from Burnley where he was but they had a record amount of points in the championship when he was manager and they played some great football now what he tried to do was come up to the Premier League and do the same but he didn't have the players for it so that would be the criticism of him trying to do it there and get relegated but he's gone to Bayern and he's wanted to do these pretty much the same thing but with much better players and so I think I would be hastening to add I don't think there would be any Bayern fan that that he's not enjoying the football that his side is playing compared to the latter stages of, unfortunately, for top football.

53:21It's also nice for him knowing that he played in Germany. He then obviously had great success at Man City. To then to be able to tick a lot of those boxes as well is, OK, I can talk to these guys in German. I can talk to these guys in English. I can probably throw some French in here and a bit of Spanish. And so, yeah, I mean, in that kind of modern football manager where you can relate to Jürgen's point also on an age side where you can relate to so many people. And they all saw him play and what he did. 100%. And then has the respect of what he was as a player as well. For Craig, how boring was the Arsenal sporting game?

54:00Did you almost fall asleep? I have to tell you all, while we were watching both games simultaneously, when all the amazing things were happening in the Real Madrid Bayern game, Craig kept saying, meanwhile in Arsenal's spotting. Meanwhile in screen six over here, we're getting the pants boarded off us. Yeah, we obviously listened. There was a thriller in Germany that we were all sort of watching and the other game was a sort of peripheral thing, but we had a rye on it. So I couldn't tell you how much domination Arsenal had, I can tell you one thing, there wasn't many chances. So, yeah, I don't.

54:35Yeah, I'm with you. I'm watching, you know, a bunch more, obviously, of the game that was fun to watch. But then you kept thinking, is something going to happen over here? And then there was those couple little things. A post was hit here, a post was hit by either team. And you think, OK, is that going to change this match? No. What did I say before when we were coming along? I said, let's not go on live TV and lie. Let's just go on and say, we watched the game between PSG and that. The other game was on the periphery over here because it was, you know, Arsenal were probably going to go through.

55:12It was probably going to be dull and boring, and it was. And so it's really difficult when you have a game with such intensity that we had at the Allianz. From 30 seconds in. Yeah. From the get-go, which I missed, by the way, because I was getting a cup of tea. I think a lot of people might have. I came in and went, what do you mean, when did I go? So it was like, from the get-go, yeah, it was hard to get pulled to that Arsenal game. It was. It was the fastest, by the way, in a Champions League knockout game ever that the two teams have scored within such a short amount of time when the game's kicked off.

55:48So it's okay that you missed that. I'm not looking for your, whatever the word is. I'm just helping you out, my sympathy. No. Okay. More surprising, Jürgen, No silverware for Real Madrid for two seasons after signing Mbappe. Or Liverpool going trophy-less after signing Wurtz, Frimpong, Isak, Eketike and Kerkhez. Yeah, and on top of that, letting Luis Diaz go to Bayern Munich. And he might be going to win the Champions League. So, I mean, those are the discussions that we love to have. You know, we fans, you know, when the big transfers are happening and big players are going to big clubs and we all wonder, is it going to work out for them positively or do they have a tough time?

56:34And so far it hasn't worked out for Mbappé yet, even if he's this year in very good shape, he's scoring lots of goals and obviously going into the World Cup as well with friends. But it didn't turn out the way he wanted it initially so far. And with Liverpool, we had that talk a lot throughout the entire year. They said, you know, it's difficult to double all the positions on pretty much on the same level of a player. So if you have six strikers for three positions and these six strikers are all worth more than, I don't know, 75, 80 million, then you kind of run into a little problem as a manager because those six players that you have there at your disposal, they all want to play, but you can maximum play three of them and then you got to play a little and we got to be a little bit inventive in terms of substitutions and when you do the substitution and all that.

57:29So I think that Liverpool learned a lot out of that transfer window that they did summer because I mean when I saw it in the beginning coming up you know the first one was Florian Wirtz for I think 150 million dollars you know and then the next one is 90 million and and the next one is 80, yeah, you will run into problems because all of them, obviously, they are under enormous pressure to score, to provide goals. It's all now, we're talking only about the attacking front of that team. Yeah, and then you wonder if they can actually deliver then right away trophies, which has not been the case. So yeah, there's a lot to talk about for all of us.

58:12Is Konrad Leimer the closest we have to a modern-day James Milner. Workhorse, lungs of steel, gives everything for the team and can play almost anywhere on the pitch. Technically solid as well. Yeah, gritty, hard, quick. Not the biggest, but... He's the type of player, if you've got a problem, he's a bit of a problem solver for you, isn't he? Yeah. He can play several positions. He obviously switched. when we started the game at left back. Yeah, we switched sides. We switched sides at half-time because Vincent Kompany wanted a job done on... He wanted to negate at least one of them. Now, Mbappe's movement was all over the place, so that was more difficult, but Vinicius Jr.

58:57was a little bit more predictable in his positioning, so he sent Conrad Leimer out there who, you know, will get under the skin of a Vinicius Jr. without... But doing it in a clever way. We'll get tight to him. We'll just pull away at the shirt. It's quick. You're unlikely to run away from him. So yeah, you know players like that and in fact, you know what I'm going to say Although he gets sent off last night and a sense Eric Garcia has been like that for Hansi flick You know when Eric Garcia when it goes to Man City doesn't quite work out goes back to Bassa Doesn't quite work out get sent out and loan to Girona.

59:30They have a great seat comes back Manager changes all of a sudden you have all these problems. He plays center-half. He plays right back he's done a great job for Hansi Flick in midfield and we can talk about the stars all we want but you need to have players like that in your squad that are prepared to go and do different jobs and roll the sleeves up and fill a problem for you and I think Conrad Lyman's a lot better than that but I think he has the ability to go and do that Lyman one of those dream players for a manager, Jürgen Absolutely. Absolutely. Dream player for every manager out there because obviously you can move him from the left to the right, even defensive midfield, and he's just biting your socks off.

1:00:17I mean, back in my days, there was a player that nobody wanted to play against. No matter if you come from the left or the right was Paolo Maldini. When you saw Paolo Maldini getting close to you, you just wanted to move the side. You wanted to run away from him. And Leimo is a bit like that. Leimer is, I mean, it was a logical move, bringing in Alphonso Davies, putting him on the right, and Vinicius Junior could have escaped him, he could have gone to the other side again, but he's not that play for me because Vinicius thought, no, no, I'm going to take care of this guy, I'm going to break through.

1:00:51There was no Vinicius Junior anymore in the second half because Leimer just was right there waiting for him and doing his job, so he's absolutely a dream player for every manager. The last question says, Jürgen, do you have any insight Why a sporting director would depart a federation two months before a home World Cup?

1:01:15We talked about this before the show, Casey and I, and this is a difficult one to comprehend. I really don't get it. We hopefully get the explanation from him directly for leaving that role two months prior to the World Cup. because no matter what role you have within a national team environment, you want to go to a World Cup. You want to experience it with the team, with everybody on your side. You want to experience it with the fans, the media, everybody, because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity is to work in a World Cup with a national team. And so now leaving two months prior to the World Cup, yeah, leaves so many questions open.

1:01:58Is it because he doesn't or has problems with some people on the inside? Is it something that, I mean, whatever the reasons are, but obviously Casey and I, we cannot be, I don't think so Casey, we won't find a solution right now for that. I think there might be a little conversation on this in Football Americas tomorrow, I have a feeling. Yeah, a little nod to Football Americas, which you'll be able to catch on ESPN+. But thank you so much for sending in your questions. Thanks to the guys for answering them. Tomorrow, Sid Lowe will be joining us to talk about all the fallout in the Spanish press.

1:02:47We'll be right back.

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