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21:32Well, the wingers were combined, the centre-backs were combined, even the wingers on the offensive side with the midfielder. But everything was clear for me that you picked the best according to the position. Now I got the list. And I got the voter list. My first question was, who the hell were the voters? And I was answered that it was some journalists and some pendants and some pendants from our show. He refused to give me the names because he's not that type of guy. But I felt offended at some point when I saw some players like Vinicius Junior, for example. I saw, well, I have the list. But Dwayne or Lamin-Yamal before Desiree Dwayne.

22:24Desiree Dwayne, winner of the League One, winner of the Champions League, being so influential before Rafinha, who absolutely almost didn't play for the whole season. Vinicius Junior was appalling. Lionel Messi plays in the MLS. And Laminya Mal was injured a lot. So I'm sorry. I don't know why Desiree Douai is at the ninth position. I saw some of that. I saw Koundé being sixth, where he had such a hard season. OK, Frank, let me stop you there,

22:56Dan Thomas:because I want to stop on that Douai point. I want to get the thoughts of Ale on the point that he's angered that Douay is number nine in that list. Well, OK, I'm not I'm not going to focus on the city of Douay as much as Frank wants to get to that point. All I'm going to say is that it's one of the disclaimers in this article. And Frank, I'm one of the voters. And let me just tell you, I'm just as upset as you are because my voting is not reflected in what the final outcome was. And so I ask the same question. I ask the same question, who's voting for this? Because clearly, whoever is voting for this does not see the game anywhere near the way I see it.

23:34And there's a very heavy, dare I say, Premier League bias. Oh, oh, there's a Premier League bias in the voters behind this list, let me just tell you. The other thing I would say is, and the disclaimer in this article says, Well, look, we're not going to just value the World Cup and dismiss 60 games during the season. This is by their own admission that the World Cup is important, but cannot be as important or more important than the 60-game season. Okay, if that's the case, then Lionel Messi is as high as he is because we're assuming they paid attention to the World Cup. but by their own standards they're saying that the World Cup is not it.

24:19I'll go even further. Central midfielder, Rodri, who we just established. We just established that he had difficulties staying fit, that he had difficulties with Manchester City, that was not a very consistent performer, that had a great World Cup. Let me just tell you, then Rodri is above guys like Joao Neves and in particular, Pedri. That doesn't make sense. By your own standards, by your own admission, by your own disclaimer, at the very beginning of this article in which it says that the World Cup cannot outweigh the 60 games of a season, well, that's exactly what happened here. So you're contradicting yourself.

24:54And whoever voted for this is contradicting themselves and is not adhering to the very clear instructions that were given when we were voting for this. I have no idea how we get to the final list. And I have no idea how the voters see the way they see it. David Ray is not the best goalkeeper in the world. He's a great goalkeeper. He's not the best goalkeeper in the world. And yet there he is. Why? Let me just say, where does he play? Arsenal, where does he play? Premier League. He's not better than Thibaut Courtois. He's not. He's not. And some would argue, by the way, that he's not even the second or third best goalkeeper in Spain.

25:31In Spain. In Spain, so much so that Unai Simón plays ahead of him. Luis de la Fuente plays Unai Simón ahead of David Rayas. No one cares about the World Cup, Ale. Well, apparently not. Apparently not. In some ways they do and others don't.

25:48Dan Thomas:I think he's more angry than you, Frank. Safonov finishing 10th behind Big Ford, who played for Everton, who had nothing to do in the Champions League, who didn't have an impact for the World Cup, if it's so important, even if they say it's not important. How come Safonov can finish 10th behind so many names where, I don't understand. The player, we barely saw them. The guy won the Champions League, so I don't know why he's there. And you have some names like that, you see, and you wonder why it's like that, why it works like that, and why the borders went there. Ask us the question, because, well, you know, yes, I agree with Ali.

26:32You have some names, you really wonder why they are in the list.

26:37Dan Thomas:Frank didn't turn in his ballot by the way so I did yeah you did you still weren't happy even with that Alex let me go through a few of the pointers we've made is Dwey too low on the list at 9? I should say I'm another one of these voters who doesn't know what they're talking about by the way I voted but my ballot was requested before the World Cup so I couldn't even take the World Cup into account that's when we had to submit our ballots And by the way, of all the things to get annoyed about on this list, Ali, the idea that David Raya wasn't the best keeper in the world by miles last season, by absolutely miles, is baffling to me.

27:16Dway, I think, is there or thereabouts. I'm not that fussed. But yeah, the David Raya outrage, Ali, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's entirely... And I'm an Aliga guy. I'm a Courtois guy. But last year... You're also an Arsenal guy. You're also an Arsenal guy. Yes. So there you go. Okay. So, again, I respect your opinion, Alex, as I always do. But there is some bias here. It's built-in bias.

27:41Dan Thomas:Alex, let me go to you on Rodri. Where are you on where Rodri sits on the list? Well, do you know what? When I saw the final list when it came out today, I was ready to go. How can Rodri only be in third place? I went back and looked at my vote before the World Cup, of course. I had him number eight before the World Cup. Because, of course, Rodri went into that World Cup with so many doubts. He comes out of the World Cup, kind of, you know, coronated once again as the best midfielder in the world. I think if he did it right now, if I voted right now, Rodri would be my number one off the back of the World Cup.

28:12But off the back of last season, going into the World Cup, I had him further down. So maybe, you know, sort of averaging out between the two, maybe third place is about right.

28:21Dan Thomas:OK, you're a centre forward. Look, I was... Technology is not my friend, right? I was about to pull up the article and read you line by line what they say about the World Cup. But the World Cup is just eight matches, and eight matches cannot equate to 60 matches. Fair enough. But if that's a standard, then how come it applies to some categories and it doesn't apply to others? And more so to the point, and this is something that Alex brought up, we voted for this ahead of the World Cup. And how are we publishing this post-World Cup having seen what we saw in the World Cup? You're putting us, the voters, in a really bad situation.

28:56So whoever publishes, give us a chance. Give us a real chance. Then allow us to vote post-World Cup, and then we can make up our minds. But you had us vote for this ahead of the World Cup. The World Cup happens. Now a bunch of things change, and we look like idiots.

29:10Dan Thomas:Frank, you want back in? The last point. Yeah, the last point is they say that injuries didn't really matter, and the player, even if he was injured, was judged according to what he did. I think it's unfair. We are talking about consistency. I mean, it's really hard to be consistent and to be at the top of the top, you know, for all season long when a player comes back, plays three months and his name may be fifth or fourth because he played good three months. I think it's a little bit unfair. And that's something we are fighting against where we want, again, to see consistency and name best player in the whole positions.

29:49They've been very good all season long. And what this article as well annoyed me a little bit, I would say.

29:57Dan Thomas:or a lot or a lot bit and you I just wanted to get to the center forwards with you in the list there how are you feeling about the center forward list look I'm okay I I'm not gonna make an argument against Harry Kane being the number one center forward in the world I'm not sure that Kylian Mbappe is a center forward but that's where he plays with Real Madrid and seems to play like that with France as well so I'm not the center forward list I I didn't have a big issue with to be honest with you. I think Kai Havers is way, way too high in this list. Kai Havers, and please, if the Arsenal guy in this conversation tells me that Kai Havers belongs in this top 10 forwards, are you kidding me?

30:36Are you joking with me? Again, Premier League bias, Arsenal bias, it doesn't make sense.

30:41Dan Thomas:Go on, Alex, I dare you. All I want to say is that my bosses who put together this list, I support you, I'm with you, it's a great list. Great stuff, well done. Frank, I saw that you were a little bit annoyed here. You said Eketike behind João Pedro. Who is behind Havertz? Joke. That's what I heard you said. Yes, that's a joke. Because Eketike, before his injury, was one of the best strikers. I mean, even his act couldn't fit in Liverpool because it wasn't good. But because Eketike was there. And Eketike had immediately, on the first game that he played, had an impact in Liverpool, for Liverpool.

31:18And I see him finishing behind João Pedro who played like kind of six months good and then disappeared. And then we see Kai Havertz, who is not even a forward, who barely scored goals. So because he scored important goals, that's fair, that's fair, he's seventh. Really, that was a joke for me. He shouldn't be in that list. He shouldn't be in that list. We're already dwelling on this a bit much. But Lionel Messi, being described as a wide attacker, He hasn't been a wide attacker in a decade or longer. He hasn't been a winger type player for at least a decade, if not longer. If you are defining him as a wide attacker, as a winger, then we are losing the game entirely.

32:06If you watch Lionel Messi play, you tell me he goes at wide and is taking people on in wide areas. Where he does the best work, both for Inter Miami and Argentina, more importantly. It's right in front of the back line and behind of the midfielders in a space of about 15 by 10. And that's where he does all his work or most of his work. That's where he breaks down. And then from there, he gets into the 18-yard box to go and score goals or create for somebody else. But don't tell me that you put him in the same category on the field as you do Vinny Jr. It's just, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

32:44But this, again, full disclosure, we were given a list of players on a spreadsheet for every position. So as much as I would like to say, this guy doesn't fit in this list, well, that's the list that he was on. And so that's the list that I voted on. Lord have mercy. Please don't include me in this email anymore. Please.

33:02Dan Thomas:I don't want to continue this conversation because these guys are riled up. So I'll stop it there. But Gab and Jules do talk about it. Gab looks as though he's a little bit annoyed there. Check it out over on the Gab and Jewell show Wherever you get your podcasts Get your tickets now for the Dog Stars It's no surprise how fast civilization can disappear Out there, just kill or be killed Jacob Elordi There are people out there They need our help Josh Brolin Shoot first and inquire afterwards Margaret Qualley Okay, tough guy And Guy Pearce Arm up The Dog Stars, directed by Ridley Scott in theaters August 28th.

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34:19Dan Thomas:Premier League picks for the season. We saw Franks yesterday. Today, it is Ali Morenos with quite the fetching picture of you there, Ali. We couldn't find something better. Oh, they could. They just didn't mind. They chose this. This was a choice. Yeah, I'm not quite sure as to what the discussion is here. And I suppose the Arsenal guy in this conversation, Alex Kirkland, would be very happy to know that Arsenal are going to not only win, but I do think that they're going to run away with this thing. From second to fifth, I'm saying all these teams are interchangeable. You can mix and match however you want.

34:58I took Manchester City over Manchester United. I suppose that I'll create some sort of conversation. I don't really care. Chelsea and Liverpool. All of these teams are unproven and yet to be seen. But the only reason that, in order to make sense of Manchester City finishing runner-up, then I have Erling Haaland being the top quarter and therefore the player of the year. And he's going to have to play at that level in order for Manchester City to have an opportunity to finish second by a long distance to Arsenal.

35:25Dan Thomas:Frank says that player of the year means nothing. No, he didn't even make a choice. No, he didn't, but he did pick Arsenal to win the league once again. and as LA did too, Mr Arsenal, Alex Kirkland, has got to be happy with that. It's great news. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the support. I think a lot of people have got Arsenal as favourites to go back-to-back and I think it makes a lot of sense. The questions I've got about Arsenal are how long is William Saliba going to be out for? Is the defence going to be as strong, anything like as strong without him? And the fact they haven't brought in a really, really good centre-forward, a Julian Alvarez-like centre-forward.

36:01Those are the only questions I've got. I mean, there are bigger questions, I think, about all of their rivals, about City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United. So I think it's looking pretty good. But getting overconfident or carried away, I think it's looking pretty good for Arsenal right now.

36:12Dan Thomas:So when you say those two through five are interchangeable, it's still just going to be those guys in those top spots some way or another. And they just cannibalise each other. They're going to take points from each other and some are going to jump up. Then they're going to go down and they slide and they jump up again. And I don't think there is sort of a best of the rest. There is Arsenal, and then there is a bunch of teams right there from second to fifth, in which they're all very much in the same conversation, and they're all going to have the same sort of issues. That is going to be the group of teams.

36:45I don't think one of those teams will separate so that they are actually contending against Arsenal. They may separate as best of the rest, maybe, but I don't think any of those contend with Arsenal at the top.

36:56Dan Thomas:Yeah, yeah. Frank, you had Chelsea second yesterday, which obviously we got into. But do you see LA's point on these teams being interchangeable? Yes, yes, of course. And I could have done that too. I just put Chelsea because I played for Chelsea before. I didn't know who to put second. So I wanted to be nice to my former club. Great unbiased analysis from you there, Frank. Well, you know what? It's because we don't know. We can analyze the fact that Arsenal are better than anybody else in the Premier League, which is sad because what we used to see and what we used to appreciate is the fact that there was a real race and that was maybe the only championship in Europe that you could see that.

37:35And now it's like Bundesliga, and we talked about that yesterday. It's like France, the Ligue 1, where you already know who's going to win, which is very sad, you know. And it's explainable because City is changing the coach. Some players are left. Chelsea, they have a new way of thinking, and it's been a while like that. Liverpool, they made the wrong choices. They bought some new players and they didn't fit. And Manchester United are getting better, but they were absolutely dreadful two years ago, or even seven months ago. So you cannot predict anything but Arsenal winning and you pick. After you do because of your feeling or because you love Chelsea, so you put Chelsea second.

38:20But I really hope the Blues are going to do well. but of course no certainty for the fourth and the second, third, fourth and sixth and fifth and even seventh, we don't know.

38:31Dan Thomas:It feels so emphatic, Alex. Is that a concern for you? I remember last year people very excited thinking Liverpool were going to do it again. I've got to say, the idea of Arsenal becoming the Bayern Munich of the Premier League and just winning it season after season, that sounds great to me. That would spare me a great deal of anxiety because I really suffered last season on the way to the title. I think it's going to be a bit closer than that. I've got to say, I think Arsenal are favourites, but I don't think they're going to run away with it or anything like that. I think there'll be plenty of drills and spills along the way.

39:05I'd love it. I'd love it if it was a procession, but I'm not sure it will be. All right, but then, Alex, then who are those teams you think is the actual contender to Arsenal? Who's going to fight Arsenal? yeah well I was asked for my predictions the other day and I had I think I had City second and then Liverpool and Chelsea in my top four I rated United a bit lower down than some other

39:25Dan Thomas:people do okay the great thing is we keep these and we remind you all of them at the end of the season because we like to do things like that don't we extra time we'll be coming up later on our YouTube channel make sure to check it out Ale, Alex and Frank all answering your questions

39:42today.

39:43Dan Thomas:Jabal Musiala has taken to Instagram after collapsing on the pitch today. This comes after a similar incident just a number of days ago but he has said that he's okay and he took to social media to let everybody know. He said first things first I'm doing well. Above all I'm incredibly grateful for all your messages and your support. I understand that many of you are worried. I want to put those concerns to rest today and explain a little more. I've been diagnosed with brief temporary episodes of absence that are easily treatable and are caused by a neurological dysfunction. These can lead to the moments that have occurred recently such as against Leipzig and now in Heidenheim.

40:24Dan Thomas:I know that they may seem scary at first glance but for me they are currently simply part of my everyday life. What is important is that there is no additional health risk beyond this. In close consultation and regular communication with the specialists, it was my personal wish to face this challenge and, with the approval of the neurological specialists, to continue doing what helps me most in my recovery. Simply living my everyday life and continuing to pursue my passion of playing football. I have taken responsibility for that decision. Overall, I have a very good feeling and I am on a good path.

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41:44Dan Thomas:So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was. The bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message, and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. Ali's last day in Bristol for a little while because he's off to Spain again for the opening round, and last time that happened, this happened. Ready? Oh, what a beautiful time. What a beautiful time.

42:24Get ready. Well, it's because, see, Mario, he's showing a whole lot of chess. He's like, he's unbuttoned everything. I said, well, if he's going to unbutton, then sure. Why not? Give me some glasses. Yeah. Take all of that chest hair, America and the world. Go on. You're welcome.

42:41Dan Thomas:I mean, you are off to two top spots again, two holiday destinations, Barcelona and Alicante. Are we going to see this again, a repeat performance? Well, one, Mario Suarez has to be available because he is the key that unlocks everything. and Luis Garcia is not quite as happy to have me around as Mario was. And we're going to miss you, Kay. Oh, it's okay. I'll be honest with you. I don't know that we want to see Dan's chest hair. Nobody wants to see that. There's quite a lot of it. I know. There is plenty of it, but nobody needs that in their lives. So I'm guessing it's not going to be quite like that.

43:15Dan Thomas:Let's get from the man who lives in Paris and doesn't mind a little loose button himself, Frank Leboeuf. Did we like Ali's Spain version with the lowering of the collar? Yeah, it's always good to try, you know, but you have to have a natural class. And that's where sometimes, you know, maybe the T-shirt didn't fit. I don't know, the sunglasses may be the way they're wearing the right one. But I'm not the kind of guy who open up, you know, to show the chest or the hair. I don't know what you want to show. Like Mario does so well. But I think I like the classic way of wearing clothes from Ali. When he goes to decontract, what do you say?

43:58Loose? Nah, it's not Ali. I don't like it. It's not Ali. Well, can I just say, we did not know what we were doing at the time. We did not know that we were going to be waterfront. It ended up being a great piece. Yes, and that Mario was going to be with his button down to his belly button. And his shoes off. He had no shoes. I saw this man without shoes the whole time we were there. So, to be fair to us, we didn't know. CK is fully dressed as if we're going to a nice place. I'm like, all right, well, I think we're going to be somewhere nice. But I didn't know. It was a nice place. It was a nice place.

44:34I'm just saying, I wasn't ready to. What about the hat? Hey, hey. What was the hat? The hat is very simple, Frank. Yeah. If I burn the top of my head, it's a problem. And I just don't have a whole lot of protection out there, Frank. You know this better than anybody else. Yeah, but you don't have to pick that specific hat, you know? You have hats who can be nice as well. I'm saying that hat was very useful.

45:01Dan Thomas:Yeah. You know, Alex, I feel this wouldn't fly on Calle Serrano in Madrid. I just really do. Anyway, that's the Oscars Music Club, so Extra Time is on the way next. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll be with you in just a moment on Extra Time.

45:15Dan Thomas:Welcome into the latest edition of Extra Time. We spent a little bit too long talking about Ali Moreno's chest hair. And so here we are. Well, you know, I mean, there are worse things. He's heading back to Spain. There's some of it. It's not abundant, but some of it. Enough, enough, enough to keep people entertained. A splattering. Yes, you know, it just hits you. A little, a little, bop. Yes, okay. Let's get, Ali's off to Spain this weekend with Real Madrid and Barcelona in action. And last time he was in Spain, he loosened the buttons up a little bit in Mallorca. Well, I was asked to do so. It was a different version of Ale.

45:48I was asked to do so. All right, mind you. Can I just say, I am here professionally working with you, right? And I'm leaving tomorrow. Dan Thomas, he's already going today. How does that work? I do not know. Maybe his liver. His liver needs to be acclimated, I guess. Preferential treatment, it sounds like to me, Ale. You said it, I didn't.

46:08Dan Thomas:All right, first question. Who will Man City miss the most this upcoming season, Frank Rodri or Pep Guardiola? Oh, my God, that's a hard question. Well, I always believe that when you're on the field, you have the choice to make. Well, you have the possibility to make good choices and be effective. It's hard to say that about coaches, especially when you talk about Pep. But I remember Michel Platini saying that it's very hard to be a coach because you want to go on the field. Because sometimes you see things that players don't see. But you cannot do anything. So you're pretty passive. So Pep with his tactics, with his long-term successful years, of course, it's going to be missed.

46:55I'm going for Pep. I'm going for Pep because I just realized that it's impossible to avoid 10 years, I think, of success. like Pep brought to Manchester City, where Manchester City were far away from any other club, like Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, of course, and some others. But what he did with Manchester City was absolutely fantastic.

47:17Dan Thomas:Alex, how much longer will people use the excuse of Atleti having less quality than the big two to justify Simeone's failure, while in reality Atleti have spent more on player transfers than Barcelona and Real Madrid in the past three years? I would say that transfer fees are not the measure you should be looking at. Look at the wage bill. Wages are a better predictor of where teams finish rather than how much they spend on transfers. In terms of the wage bill, Real Madrid and Barca are still significantly higher than Atleti. That is reflected in where they finish. I'm a Simeone believer. I think what he's done has been remarkably transformed the club.

47:54Even though it must be frustrating at times to almost always finish third, of course, finish fourth last season. That is a slight underperformance. I still think he gets pretty much as much as can be gotten out of that team, albeit at times they drop out of the title race a little bit earlier than they should.

48:09Dan Thomas:Is it unfair to expect him to be achieving what those two are? How dare Alex bring facts into the conversation? And that, I think, is the important part here, is that there is this expectation of what Diego Simeone should be or Atletico Madrid should be, and the facts tell you a different story. I would argue that Atletico Madrid continue to overachieve. Not necessarily year after year, but this is a team that went into the semifinals of Champions League. That's overachievement for Atletico Madrid. It is. Now, they underachieved in La Liga in terms of them finishing fourth, and they had some difficult performances, and they had some underwhelming parts of the season.

48:54But on the whole, when I think of Diego Simeone and Atletico Madrid, I think they've achieved far more than this team should have. And part of that, and a big part of that, is what Diego Simeone has brought to this club. So much like Alex, I wholeheartedly believe in Diego Simeone. Don't believe in the style a lot of the time, but I do believe in Diego Simeone and trying to squeeze everything he can out of his team.

49:15Dan Thomas:Frank, which player excites you the most in the Chelsea first team and why?

49:23Hmm.

49:27You know what? I'm very interested about what Jao Pedro is going to do this year. He wasn't picked by Ancelotti for the World Cup and I think it was a mistake. And I feel kind of a revenge and I feel him very spot on for the beginning of the season and hopefully he's going to carry on like that for the whole season and bring something special. We need a striker. If Cole Palmer can be behind him and serve him, that guy can be absolutely fantastic. But I'm always being very excited about Caicedo and what he can achieve is somebody like before him, you had Mikelili, of course, N 'Golo Kante, those players who were so important for the Chelsea game.

50:08And hopefully Caicedo will stay at that level for the time that he's going to stay at Chelsea.

50:15Dan Thomas:OK. Ale, who is currently the best striker in the Premier League if Haaland is unavailable? I'll tell you who it's not. It ain't Kai Havertz, regardless of whatever Alex tells me on the list. It's not Kai Havertz. Or Jokeres. You know that Jokeres was on that list, too? As the best strikers in the world? He was on that list. He made it into the list. Who voted for this? Who voted for this? 19th. 19th. Yeah, he was like 20th, but he was in. He was in. Okay, I digress. What do we call a striker nowadays? I do not know, but I'm going to say if Frank is going to be excited about Joao Pedro, then it may very well be Joao Pedro who is the choice here.

51:09I think if he gets enough service, Joao Pedro is a guy that can't finish chances. Sometimes he gets too concerned about being more of a playmaker than a striker, But if it is about being inside the 18-yard box, I do think that Joao Pedro has the potential to be a dominant striker. Not as good as Erling Haaland, but a tier below.

51:28Dan Thomas:OK, Alex, start, bench, or drop the midfield pairing? Pedri and Rodri, Bernardo Silva and Valverde, or Neves and Vitinha? That's a good question. It's a great question. I think my heart goes always with Rodri and Pedri based on the Spain national team. I think I go with them to start after that. Bettina and Neves, what we've seen from PSG the last couple of years, it's very, very tasty. I think they're benched. I think I'm dropping the Real Madrid pair, I'm afraid. OK. Has anyone watched the Mourinho documentary? Alex, how is the documentary being received in Spain? Was Mourinho's relationship that bad with the Madrid players, especially Casillas?

52:15Do you know what we've been trying to find out, me and my colleagues if Jose has seen it and what he thought of it but unfortunately his people won't tell us so we've been asking the question but we haven't got an answer yet I haven't watched it yet I am going to watch it over the next few days before the season starts I think I haven't got around to it yet but yeah it's been getting quite a bit of attention I have to say especially some of those juicy details about the Casillas relationship which we knew we knew was incredibly fraught and very difficult but some of the details that have come out have been have been surprises Have you seen it, Frank?

52:45No, I was too busy watching Vinnie Jones' documentary. No, but seriously, I'm going to watch it. I'm just, I was a bit lazy with TV after the World Cup. I didn't watch TV too much, but I'm going to watch it, of course. You want to see Mourinho. He's a specimen.

53:04Dan Thomas:Yeah, I think you'll like it, Frank, especially all the Chelsea side of things. It's interesting to go down memory lane. What about you, Alain? So you mean to tell me that Mourinho is an interesting character? Oh, absolutely. Oh, you mean the guy that didn't want the attention of the press conference? He didn't want to be presented by Florentino Pérez and Real Madrid because he's a low-profile sort of guy. That guy, that's what we're talking about, right? Of course he's interesting. Have you watched it? Yes, and Jose Mourinho is interesting. And it's not surprising that the relationship with Ike Casillas fell out in the manner in which it happened.

53:44And I think what Mourinho may have learned from those times is how he goes about handling coming into a locker room that seems to be controlled by a few players. And it's something that he's going to have to do coming into this locker room. where this locker room currently was empowered by Florentino Perez the moment that he decided to have Chablonso walk out the door. So now it's Vinny's team and it's Mbappe's team and it's whoever because nobody has actually raised their hand and said, I will lead this team, which is part of the discussion at Real Madrid. So now it seems like by default, it's going to be Mourinho who becomes the leader of this team.

54:30We'll see. We'll see if all of this works out. Everybody right now is feeling great. Everybody is feeling, oh, yeah, all positive vibes. Hey, all of that. All of that is going on right now with Real Madrid. We'll see if that lasts. And it's only going to last if this team is winning.

54:45Dan Thomas:Lovely stuff. Okay, for Ale and Alex, you've shared your favorite Venezuelan food before, but what is a Venezuelan dish that is overrated and you could go without? Be careful, Alex. How much trouble do you want me to get in? How sure can I be that my wife will not watch this? Honestly, you have no idea. I mean, what would it be? I mean, look, I'm not the world's biggest Arepa guy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Alex. I'm just not a huge Arepa guy. What? All right, okay. You're not. He's walked out. Don't worry, Alex. Don't worry, Alex. I don't even know what it is. I do, and he's wrong. Come on. Are you kidding me right now?

55:30The corner piece, the angular piece, the angular piece of Venezuelan cuisine, arepa, and you're saying that that's overrated? Good Lord, Alex. I just like other things more. I like chequeños more, I like cachafas more. What can I say? Well, you can like those things, it's fine. But nothing happens in Venezuelan cuisine without an arepa.

55:53Dan Thomas:Look, he just married a Venezuelan. he's not a Venezuelan like you. Yeah, but if he wants to survive marrying a Venezuelan, Arepa has to be an angular piece of your starting lineup. Lord have mercy. Of all the things that I thought he was going to say, of all the things that I thought he was going to say, to say that Arepa is not it, it's a problem. It's not been a good day for Alex Herford and Ali Moreno. I had Alex at a certain level. I feel like I'm going to let you down, Ali. Yeah, well, that's what I was about to say. I had you in at a certain level today Yes, this this seat this drop-off has been steep steep Lord mercy, I did but baby Good Lord, I feel like there's nothing underrated for you on Venezuelan cuisine or am I wrong?

56:44No, well overrated sorry overrated overrated I would say and and maybe Alex has had this or not. It's a soup that you're supposed to have to cure a hangover. It's called mondongo. And it has beef stripe in it. And, you know. Oh, no. I could do without it. Okay. But the soup itself, if you take some of that stuff out, the taste is great. It has a whole bunch of stuff in it that I think you could do without. But I'm never taking arepa off the table. Are you joking, Alex, right now?

57:21Dan Thomas:Alex, you're going to have to be careful going back to bed tonight, mate. That's all we've got time for on the latest version of Extra Time. Por favor, Dios mío, Santo, la Virgen. Alex Kirkwood will be at the Atleti game tomorrow. We'll be hearing more from him on tomorrow's show, no doubt. Ha ha ha ha ha!

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