In short
The Football Reporters episode reviews key Premier League matches, then debates striker signings and previews the early January transfer window. Topic: Chelsea vs Arsenal at Stamford Bridge (Arsenal played 52 minutes with 10 men after a long period), Thomas Frank’s pressure at Tottenham, and Manchester United’s inconsistent but improving run under Ruben Amorim.
Guests
James (match reporter; attended Chelsea-Arsenal and Selhurst Park for Palace vs Man United) and Mark Ogden (ESPN writer; joins remotely for January window predictions).
Key claims
Arsenal lacked “killer instinct” despite chances; they may still win the league without big statement wins because the league looks weaker and their points target is lower. Chelsea’s evolution under Enzo Maresca is building despite concerns about conservatism and missing Cole Palmer. Spurs’ home struggles and set-piece/attacking drop-off put Frank under mounting fan anger. United’s second-half vs Palace improved via Amorim’s tweaks and intensity; goals came from set pieces, with Amorim’s staff credited. Striker summer “didn’t go to plan”: Isak’s first PL goal came late; Viktor Gyokeres has six PL goals mostly against weaker sides; Benjamin Sesko’s development is behind schedule. January preview: Arsenal likely won’t buy except possibly a short-term Odegaard cover; Chelsea may target midfield/defense (e.g., Semenyo, Mark Guehi, and a goalkeeper like Mike Maignan).
Notable examples
Timber denying Gyokeres late; United’s set-piece scoring; Spurs booing Vicario early; Mark Guehi linked to Liverpool/Chelsea/Europe; Kobi Mainoo as a potential Arsenal option.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPremier League Review: Chelsea vs. Arsenal
1:22 to 1:54
A discussion on the recent clash between Chelsea and Arsenal and its implications.
“Hello and welcome to the Football Reporters.”
Arsenal's Performance Analysis
1:54 to 4:06
Analyzing Arsenal's performance and their challenges against top teams.
“James, you were at Stamford Bridge for Chelsea-Arsenal.”
Chelsea's Title Race Prospects
4:06 to 8:19
Discussion on Chelsea's current form and their chances in the title race.
“I don't think there's any criticism, particularly of Mikel Arteta this time, because I think he made positive changes.”
Thomas Frank and Tottenham's Situation
8:19 to 14:00
Examining the pressure on Thomas Frank and the current state of Tottenham.
“I don't think they'll win the league I think they're ahead of where we thought they would be I can tell you that the internal expectation is Champions League qualification.”
Spurs' Current Challenges and Atmosphere
14:00 to 17:42
Explore the struggles of Spurs, the fan's frustrations, and the managerial challenges facing Thomas Frank.
“if you don't get Eberici Eze and you don't get Morgan Gibbs-White when you try to in the summer, you start to put together a picture of, and then you say to your manager, right, go and make an attacking team.”
Managerial Pressures and Expectations
17:42 to 21:52
Discuss the pressures faced by managers like Thomas Frank and Ruben Amorim amid inconsistent performances.
“Obviously, there were fans, no fans in the stadium or 2 ,000 fans when they started letting them in.”
The Role of Mason Mount at Manchester United
21:52 to 25:05
Analyze Mason Mount's impact and fit within Manchester United's system and his potential for recovery.
“Obviously needs a midfielder, at least one, probably two.”
Evaluating New Premier League Strikers
25:32 to 28:00
Discuss the performance of new strikers in the Premier League and the expectations surrounding their impact.
“Well, James, you've written a piece that's on ESPN.com right now about the Premier League's attempts to sign, or the club, sorry, to sign top strikers in the summer.”
Arsenal's Tactical Shift and Jokeres' Impact
28:00 to 29:40
Discussion on Arsenal's tactical versatility and the impact of Jokeres on their attacking play.
“It felt like a sticking plaster last season, but the intelligence he plays with in that position and what he actually gives them, not just in his link-up play, but also off the ball being able to drop in.”
United's Striker Dilemma: Sesko vs. Hoyland
29:40 to 32:30
Analysis of Manchester United's striker situation, comparing Sesko's potential to Hoyland's performance.
“I mean, he has scored six goals so far, but you break it down, those goals came against Leeds, Nottingham, Forrest and Burnley in the Premier League.”
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The Pressure of Striker Performance in the Premier League
32:30 to 36:20
Exploration of the expectations placed on strikers in the context of Erling Haaland's dominance.
“Everyone can probably see that from watching games and the development of the squad.”
January Transfer Window Predictions
36:20 to 37:44
Discussion on the upcoming January transfer window and its implications for Premier League clubs.
“When we come back, we'll be joined by a remote Mark Ogden this week.”
Arsenal's Midfield Needs and Koby Meynou's Future
37:44 to 42:00
Discussion on Arsenal's midfield depth and potential interest in Koby Meynou during the transfer window.
“Well, Mark, you've written a piece that's on the ESPN site about the January transfer window and what the Premier League's big six might do.”
Chelsea's January Transfer Strategy
42:00 to 43:20
Exploration of Chelsea's potential moves in the January transfer window.
“Whether you think that it's Chelsea or Man City as the closest challenges to Arsenal is probably a personal preference, but do you think Chelsea may look at this opportunity in the January window?”
Mark Guéhi's Future at Crystal Palace
43:20 to 45:00
Discussion on Mark Guéhi's contract situation and potential January transfers.
“I don't think they're going to win the league with Trevor Chalabra and other players that they've got there.”
Liverpool's January Needs
45:00 to 46:40
Analysis of Liverpool's requirements for center-backs and potential targets.
“They can accept an offer, but he doesn't have to go.”
Manchester City's Transfer Plans
46:40 to 48:20
Insights into Manchester City's transfer priorities and targets for January.
“they don't tend to leave unless there's a really good offer on the table.”
Manchester United's Cautious Approach
48:20 to 50:00
Examination of Manchester United's strategy approaching the January window.
“City could easily say to Forrest, there's£100 million for Elliot Anderson.”
Challenges for United in the Transfer Market
50:00 to 51:40
Discussion on the difficulties Manchester United may face in securing players.
“they're going to be with a chance of getting in the Champions League next season.”
Tottenham's Transfer Dilemmas
51:40 to 55:00
Exploration of Tottenham's needs and potential player movements in January.
“Whether he's Premier League ready, we don't know, but obviously sometimes you have to take a gamble.”
Transfer Predictions for Tottenham and Everton
56:00 to 57:19
Explore the potential transfer strategies for Tottenham and Everton, focusing on key players like Richarlison and Ivan Toney.
“Or do you wait for the likes of Madison and Kudasetsky to get a fee, even though they might miss the majority of the season?”
Transcript
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1:22Hello and welcome to the Football Reporters. This week we're going to look back at the top of the table clash between Chelsea and Arsenal, Thomas Frank under more pressure and a win for Manchester United at Crystal Palace. Then we're going to look at the summer of strikers, big money moves for Alexander Isak, Victor Jokerez, Benjamin Sesko and many more and why it doesn't look like it's gone quite to plan just yet. And then we'll look at an early January transfer window preview with Mark Ogden. Well, we'll start, as always, with the Premier League review. James, you were at Stamford Bridge for Chelsea-Arsenal.
1:58Bit of an odd one, because I imagine that before the game, Arsenal might have taken a point and just gone on and kind of moved on to different games. But having played against 10 men for so long, they probably left feeling like they maybe missed out a little bit. Yeah, and it also obviously comes at the end of a long week for them where they've beaten Spurs, they've beaten Bayern and looked very good in both of those games. and I'm sort of always conscious that I think there's a lot of Arsenal fans who think that there's a sort of media landscape out there either against them or waiting for them to fail.
2:30I think it's just a case of because they haven't seen it out because they obviously haven't won the league in 20 years you know, the chinks in the armour look a bit more obvious and you go looking for them in a way that you wouldn't if we were talking about, you know, Prime City under Pep or, you know, Liverpool under Klopp you know the fact of the matter is they played 52 minutes with 11 against 10 and they had 8 shots in the whole game which I think was the fewest they've recorded it might even be this season but certainly for some time so for me it just fell into that category of Liverpool away in August and City at home in September where you thought go on then go and do it you know you've got they're vulnerable Arsenal can go and win these games and if you go and win either of those games, you make such a huge, huge statement about who you are and how serious you can be about the title this year.
3:26And they just didn't quite do it in either of those games. They obviously lost a tight game at Anfield. They nearly lost to City, equalised in the last minute. And then again yesterday, they were so close to winning. They had a chance right at the death where Timber takes it off Jocka Reza's head. But you never got the sense in the stadium that it was 11 v 10, really. And that was credit to Chelsea in the way that they played. I thought they were so good. Rhys James, incredible in midfield. Enzo Fernandes alongside him. The running that those guys did, the fact that Pedro Neto and then Ganaccio when he came on in the second half really stretched Arsenal going the other way, gave them something to think about.
4:02It never felt as though it was 11 v 10, one team camped on the edge of their own box trying to just last-ditch jacket. It never got to that stage. I don't think there's any criticism, particularly of Mikel Arteta this time, because I think he made positive changes. Maybe could have brought Jokic on a bit earlier. We're going to talk about strikers later on, but that might be one you think, do you not give your number nine a bit more than 18 minutes, even though he's only just come back from injury. But he brought Odegaard on, he took Eze off. He made changes to go and try and influence the game, but they just didn't quite have that killer instinct.
4:45and that maybe is the only question left about them. Now, it might not matter because they're already five points clear and there might not be another team that can put together the consistency to take advantage of that. But if you're just talking about a team that's not won it for 20 years and they have to answer those questions, then that is a question they still haven't answered. Well, I read the piece that you and Mark put together from Stamford Bridge and you kind of referenced it there that we've got this kind of tendency when these big games come around to say it's a chance to make a statement, it's a chance to kind of set yourself apart from the rest of the challenging pack.
5:16But if Arsenal are going to be so dominant in games against the rest of the Premier League, does it matter that they don't beat Chelsea, that they don't beat City? Could they go this season without having that big statement win but still win the Premier League? Yes, for two reasons, I think. One is that the league isn't as strong this year. I mean, it's only 13 games, so perhaps we're judging it a little prematurely, but it doesn't look as strong as it's been to me. And secondly, you've got to look at Arsenal's sort of history in these fixtures. Now, they have a very good record actually against Chelsea, so that doesn't really apply here.
5:53But their record traditionally against the big six, particularly if you think about their record against City, they just go and get hammered by City home and away for years really. And I know it's been a real focus internally at Arsenal that they've wanted to toughen up in those big games. And do you remember there was the game at the Etihad, was it last season, the season before, 0-0, when they didn't when they didn't really go for it yeah they had a chance to go for it and they kind of and at 2-1 10 men when they just totally shut the game down and didn't show you know just decided they were going to sit on the edge of their own body and it was all well we pay massive respect to Guardiola and City and everything they've done and all of that was born from the idea of we always lose these games so a draw is actually a step forward and you do wonder whether they've looked at the league this year and thought if we I'm not saying they go to draw these games but if they draw against the sort of traditional big six and beat everyone else they're going to win the league because it's it doesn't look like it's going to be a league that you have to get 95 points to win or 100 points to win and Arteta I think I've spoken to him sort of in previous years about points tallies and it sort of became a bit of a running joke about you know how many do you need yeah I think if we asked him that now he wouldn't say 95 points because it's just the league isn't strong enough for another team to push them that close.
7:08So yeah, they could do it. And so that's why I don't think there's any massive recriminations from Sunday. It's not as if there's some big inquest about bottle or mentality or anything like that. I think they just thought, well, Chelsea, to their credit, are still posing us a problem going the other way. So they didn't really change shape. They dropped Declan Rice into a holy midfield position, then played with with two more attacking eights rather than having the balance that they have with Rice and then Zubimendi in behind. So, you know, they sort of tweaked it rather than threw everything in the kitchen sink at Chelsea because they knew that they could get done.
7:47And imagine what we'd been writing if they'd lost that game, 10 v 11, you know, for almost an hour. So, yeah, I suppose it's a good point. It just clips the lead a little into five. well it just that's the only thing you just think six into five and then suddenly a defeat out of nowhere could become two and you're talking about Christmas being very very sort of tight and tense again but no I think overall they'll be pretty comfortable where they are Just a word on Chelsea then I went to watch Chelsea at Burnley the first game back after the international break it was 12.30 at Burnley you know typical tough place to go nice cliche I thought they were quite solid they were professional they were the better team they made chances they deserved to win the game I was actually quite impressed about the way that they went about it they looked like a far more mature team than perhaps I'd given them credit for did you see enough at Stamford Bridge in those circumstances against that Arsenal team to suggest that Chelsea could last the course in this title race?
8:53I don't think they'll win the league I think they're ahead of where we thought they would be I can tell you that the internal expectation is Champions League qualification. They're not expecting a title push this season. And it's funny because, you know, I think Maresk has been, you know, he's world champion. He obviously got them into the Champions League this season. They won the Conference League. And yet there's still been this sort of reluctance to really embrace him, I think, from Chelsea fans. And there's been a concern about the style of football, whether it's a bit too conservative, whether they're sort of playing out from the back almost for the sake of it, functional rather than, you know, sort of flair.
9:36But I think what we're seeing now is a real evolution and a real trust from these players because, you know, he has, like a lot of teams, to be fair, this season, but they have had to deal with a lot of injuries. And they were Cole Palmer FC two years ago. You know, they were reliant on one guy, even last year, heavily reliant on one guy to deliver for them in the final third. And they've obviously been without him since September when he got injured at Old Trafford. And he was on the bench on Sunday, and you sort of, I remember writing in the live blog, actually, you could almost see Mareske thinking, shall I throw him on?
10:11I want his individual quality. He could go and win us the game out of nowhere, but we're set up in this way. We've got the lap up top and two speedy wingers outside to help us get out and break the Arsenal press and try and counter-attack and offer something going the other way. and if I bring Palmer on who's not particularly quick and obviously couldn't hold the ball up as a nine it breaks up the dynamic so what do you do? And he decided to leave him on the bench and the sort of idea of going without Palmer even in those circumstances would have been unthinkable even last season so I think it sort of shows that there's a real evolution there there's a togetherness there I think Enzo Fernandes is starting to really justify that huge fee that they paid for him I thought Rhys James was incredible in midfield and you know it's now been I think a year since he's last suffered a serious injury so there's a real hope although I noticed Maresca after the game was asked directly you know Rhys James was brilliant can he go and do that again on Wednesday at Leeds and he just went no no he can't because you know because he's just not sort of physically in a place where he can go and churn that kind of performance out every three days but yeah but but there's a real there's a real sense of something building there.
11:24You look at the profile of the squad, you look at the fact that you're not sure about Robert Sanchez as a goalkeeper, they still need a centre-back. Up front, you could argue, they probably haven't got the right centre-forward yet, or certainly not one that's going to score them the 20 goals they might need. So they still need a bit of work,
11:46but I've watched most of Arsenal's games this season and they gave them 10 v 11, and as good a game as anyone has. You know, they were very, very good. Well, staying in London then, before we move on to Man United, Tottenham Hotspur, I felt that Thomas Frank, the criticism that was aimed at Frank after the Arsenal defeat was a little bit unfair. I think it's one of those that you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you go and play really open at the Emirates and get beat, then people will say, why have you done that? If you go and try and contain and you also get beat, people are going to say, why didn't you have a go?
12:16It's one of those situations. That said, Fulham on Saturday is a bad one isn't it another home defeat against a Fulham side who don't tend to win away an awful lot what is the situation at Spurs is Frank under pressure at all I know he's sort of stuff after the game where he's hitting back at the fans a little bit with the booing of Vicario it doesn't seem like everything's particularly great there at the moment no I mean Thomas Frank I don't think he's under any pressure at the moment internally obviously there's a concern that you know the sort of general environment around the team at the moment, particularly at home.
12:52But, you know, obviously Vinay Van Ketchum is now the chief executive at the club. The ownership changes they've made in the summer to bring some of Joe Lewis's family into a more sort of more prominent hands-on roles. I don't, they're patient people and they want their, the new man to do well. They're not, they're not the kind of characters, as far as I'm aware who would sort of need to react to what's going on. I think they know that the product of what we're seeing with Spurs at the moment is to do with the summer to some extent. There are a lot of mitigating factors for Thomas Frank. I don't want to sit here and make excuses for him because, you know, and again, I'm not a massive XG fan, but I mean, they just don't look like scoring in games and those XG figures are really, really stark, you know, and there are But there are times when you sort of can't really see what they're even trying to do outside of set pieces.
13:48And that is a concern. But if you're robbed of Malison, Kulisevsky, Solanke, if you get Colin Mouane and Xavi Seymans right at the end of the window, if you don't get Eberici Eze and you don't get Morgan Gibbs-White when you try to in the summer, you start to put together a picture of, and then you say to your manager, right, go and make an attacking team. Well, how is he supposed to do that? And so I do have some sympathy with him. But the problem they've got is that what did recommend him at the start was they were solid and they did look like they were a threat from set pieces. And both of those things have kind of dissipated of late.
14:28So if he's not got them playing in an attacking sense and they're porous at the back, it's a pretty dangerous cocktail. But you just sort of look at Spurs at the moment and think they're kind of, in terms of the atmosphere in the stadium, They're kind of where Arsenal were maybe six or seven years ago, where they're playing in this fantastic stadium, one of the best in the world. They're paying top dollar to be there. Everyone tells them the training ground's amazing. Everything's in place, and yet the team on the pitch is falling well short, and there's a lot of anger, and there's a lot of residual built-up anger that is being aimed at Thomas Frank at the moment that I don't think is his fault.
15:07and what it's doing is it's creating a tougher environment for him to work in and almost making the step up from Brentford even bigger for him because it's one thing to go into a bigger club but if you go into a bigger club that's stable well then you've got a chance to be able to implement your methods and there's not as much sort of outside noise and interference whereas at the moment every one of his decisions you know I was at the United game a few weeks ago where they're 1-0 down. He makes a substitution and they're booing it. 1-0 down. They left the stadium that day, 2-2 draw, and as the fans were leaving the stadium, they were third in the table.
15:46To me, it feels premature, but I respect the fact that these fans are turning up, they're paying what they're paying, and they're entitled to express their view, but if you're booing your own goalkeeper 10 minutes into a home game, there's something deeper going on than just the team is playing poorly. I think I mentioned on the pod a couple of weeks ago with Spurs that I think the one thing that top six managers can't get away with is losing games at home. That you can kind of be forgiven at the start of a project, maybe not being particularly consistent away from home. And that you're going to have performances that are just not up to scratch.
16:20But when you're doing it so regularly in front of your own fans, and you made the point there about fans paying top dollar in a fantastic stadium, I just don't think that that goes down very well. and particularly it's not just Frank is it this is a hangover from Poster Coglu's time you're talking you're tracking back sort of more than a year Spurs is his home form so I just think until the one thing that is a quick fix for Frank is to start winning home games because it covers a multitude of other kinds of problems Yeah and also I mean obviously Spurs fans have directed a lot of their criticism towards Daniel Levy and Enoch and what's sort of going on behind the scenes at the moment is the Lewis family trust is trying to sort of de-enic the club, if you like.
17:03So as that process is taking place, and because Thomas Frank is dividing opinion, because I'm sure there are a lot of Spurs fans who think he's only been there five minutes, and he's got all these injuries, what can he do? I think they don't really know where to direct the anger. There's not a kind of, you know, Levy was such a lightning rod for criticism that now he's been removed. They don't really know where to go next. And I suppose, as much as the Spurs fans won't want me to continue this Arsenal analogy. You make a good point there about, obviously, the winning home games. You think about that Arteta, it would have been the COVID 2020 into 21 after the FA Cup that season.
17:45Obviously, there were fans, no fans in the stadium or 2 ,000 fans when they started letting them in. And Arsenal were really tough to watch at that point. They weren't winning games. They didn't look fluid. it was a difficult watch and I think had the stadium been full then you'd have seen quite a negative reaction towards Arteta I pushed him on this a few times down the years and sort of said you know you must have felt at that point that you were losing your job of course he doesn't answer it but I think in his private moments he would acknowledge that he was lucky in the sense that he wasn't exposed to the full kind of vitriol that someone like Thomas Frank is now getting Well once we're a manager who is under the same kind of weekly pressure it would appear as Thomas Frank, Ruben Amrim who seems to just go from one disastrous result to a decent one and then back again.
18:34I was at Selhurst Park on Sunday and at half time I must say I just thought there was absolutely no chance that Man United are winning that game. I would have also at that point taken Joshua Zerksy off because he offered absolutely nothing and then 10 minutes into the second half Joshua Zerksy scores a really well taken goal. He looks like a proper striker all of a sudden. I do, I don't envy you because your job is to sort of in part is to kind of provide a coherent narrative around Manchester United and their performances. And I did, I watched the second half when I got to Stamford Bridge and I did sort of think, what am I watching here?
19:09Like, how have they done this? I mean, what can you say about that second half? And should we be giving Amorim credit for the changes that he made? Well, it's interesting with that because I thought that Amorim deserved quite a lot of credit. He got a lot of stick during the, or after the Everton game for not making enough in-game changes. Everyone was pointing to the fact that he kept that back three against 10 men for so long. I thought against Palace that he did make a couple of tactical tweaks at half-time. It looked to me like he'd moved and Buemo, who in the first half seemed to be quite far out wide and trying to link with Ahmad, that Amrim had brought him inside, moving closer to Xerxi.
19:47Everything that had looked so disjointed in the first half began to look a little bit more connected and they just started to play better. I asked Amram afterwards, trying to kind of offer him the chance to pat himself on the back, essentially. And he just went, well, we made a couple of changes, but that's not the most important thing. The most important thing is we were more intense after halftime. I also told the players that Palace had played on Thursday, they'd come back from Strasbourg where they'd been beaten. We should have more energy. He thought that it was Palace. He said he could sense in the last sort of minutes of the first half that Palace were already struggling energy-wise and told his players that.
20:21That said, as different as the second half performance was, the two goals have come from set pieces. So they didn't create an awful lot in open play, but this is a set piece season. And if you're good at set pieces, which United suddenly have become, I think they've scored 10 now direct from set pieces, which is the same as Arsenal, which is saying something because Arsenal get an awful lot of credit. And Carlos Fernandes, who is part of Amrim staff, deserves a lot of credit for that because it really is his baby, the set piecing, it's his job to decide what happens and how those things play out.
20:55I just think with Man United, perhaps, that they're just never, this season anyway, they're just never going to turn a corner. And we're going to keep asking Amrim, have you turned a corner? And he's just going to keep saying, probably not. And I think he's probably right. I think maybe what we're seeing with Man United is that the players he's got, the squad he's got, have become functional in that system. And that's as good as they're going to get. And that means that they're going to have some absolute shocking performances, particularly against teams who want to sit back and defend quite low like we saw with Everton and they're probably going to have some good results and some good performances probably against teams who are more comfortable on the front foot and it's just going to be that kind of up and down situation all the way until the end of the season and what Amrim can only hope is that there are more good days than bad days he gets in and around the top six he qualifies for Europe, which was the designated aim before the season.
21:47He gets to next summer and then you can start making proper changes and improving the squad. Obviously needs a midfielder, at least one, probably two. He needs at least one wing back again, probably two. And then the start of next season, he will hope to have lifted the level of the entire squad to the point where they can compete consistently. Because I just don't think right now that they're able to do it. Okay, so if there are essentially hostages to the inconsistencies of their own players, which is basically what you're saying, then I want to just ask you about Mason Mount, because obviously he scored the winning goal.
22:25He's had an awful time since he moved from Chelsea. I've read a lot of positive quotes from Ruben Amrum talking about him and what he can bring. What have you made of him this season? And can he, well, does the system fit him firstly? and secondly can he actually make the difference is he in a position now where he can stay fit and start making a really positive impact because United have got a player who was a Chelsea and England regular only two or three years ago I think he's a great player personally I think it's quite telling that Palace on Sunday that was the first time he completed 90 minutes in the Premier League for United and he joined in 2023 which tells you everything about how he's been affected by injuries I think we're at the stage now with Mason Mount if there was one Man United midfielder who could force the way into the England squad before the World Cup, it's probably Mount over Maynard.
23:14He's far better positioned because he's playing. I think the system suits him. I think Amorim loves him. He wants players who are energetic. He wants players who can kind of lead the press. Mount does it superbly. I think that the only issue for Mason Mount is that he's a different profile to the other number 10s in the squad. And Amorim is very conscious of sometimes appearing to be more cautious. And he will know that if he picks on Buemo and Cunha as these two number 10s, they are forwards and are more likely to score you a goal. Now, Mason Mount offers you different things. He does score a goal.
23:47I think he got double figures in the Premier League for Chelsea one year, I think, when he was Player of the Year. So he can do it. He's more of a midfielder than, say, Mbwemo and Cunha. And I think for Amrim, it's about finding the games where he is best used. And there was a game at Liverpool, well, the game that they won at Anfield, where there was absolutely no doubt that Mason Mount was going to play because that was just the perfect game for him to start and be energetic in midfield, break stuff up, drop into midfield when United were under the cosh, have the quality on the ball to kind of keep the ball and keep possession, keep the ball moving.
24:17I just wonder whether when it comes to the likes of West Ham, Old Trafford on Thursday, who you would expect would sit in a low block, whether he would prefer to have Mbwemo and Cunha in there. Yeah, because it's not that kind of game, is it? I always remember Frank Lampard and Thomas Tuchel when they were Chelsea managers, talking about how Mount would set the press for them and just, he's just relentless, really intelligent pressing, but his relentless energy and what he would give you off the ball. They really, really valued that. And you've got, and actually Gareth Southgate often talked about it as well.
24:54So you've got, you know, you've got three managers there who all recognise what he could give you without it. It's just a case of whether he can do it with the ball enough in that system. Well, we're going to take a short break. When we come back, we're going to be talking about Premier League strikers who are new to the division this season and how they've got on. Lays is an official sponsor of the FIFA World Cup 2026. Lays is also the official sponsor of all Bandwagon fans. That's right, this summer Lays is inviting everyone to jump on the Bandwagon because win or lose, what's important is keeping the party going.
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25:37Well, James, you've written a piece that's on ESPN.com right now about the Premier League's attempts to sign, or the club, sorry, to sign top strikers in the summer. There was an awful lot of strikers that moved. Isak was one, Jokre's another, Sesko another one. It was meant to be a summer where these top strikers came in and made a massive impact. It's not been quite like that. No, I mean, it was billed as the summer of strikers, at least in my head. and it's just not worked out that way. I mean, it's only just, look, it's the beginning of December, so I mean, we could be fools come March with what we're about to say here, but you have to look at it and think that, I think with Isak and Jokeres in particular, those were two forwards acquired at great expense to come in and they will win now signings.
26:28You know, they were, obviously Liverpool had already won the league, but I think everybody, and I was certainly guilty of this, I looked at that Liverpool squad and thought, if they're going to add someone like Isak, two plus two equals title. You know, that's... We shouldn't really simplify things to that extent. But it did feel as though, on top of all the other business they've done as well, that he was the icing on the cake. And of course, you know, it's only been this weekend he scored his first Premier League goal and he's had injury problems, which I know that some of the other clubs that were looking at him were a little bit wary about his injury record.
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27:00And Newcastle had obviously established a rhythm with him. but could he go and deliver three times a week for nine months across the course of a season? Would his body hold up to that? I think that's still a question mark. And obviously there's a sort of wider malaise at Liverpool which you can't lay that squarely at Isak exclusively. Obviously Florian Wurz hasn't hit the ground running. We all know obviously the Yogo Yota tragedy and all the change that's taken place at the club and Arna Slott's difficulties in finding the right team. It's not just down to Isak But the point is, when you spend£125 million on one player, there is no margin for error.
27:37He has to come in and he has to deliver and he has to improve you as a team. And the fact is at the moment that Isak hasn't done that. Well, let's talk about Jokerez, another striker who moved in the summer. We've mentioned that you were at Stamford Bridge on Sunday. I know Jokerez is just coming back from injury, but Arsenal played against 10 men for an awful long time and Jokerez got 18 minutes, I think, off the bench. were you surprised that his introduction was so late is it simply because he's just come back from injury or is it more telling of where he is in Arsenal's pecking order well he's not fully fit I think you know that's fair to say and it's his first appearance back it would have been a gamble to throw him in especially when you consider the rhythm that the team's playing with at the moment and I have to say Mikel Marino I think has exceeded did all expectations in that centre-forward role.
28:29It felt like a sticking plaster last season, but the intelligence he plays with in that position and what he actually gives them, not just in his link-up play, but also off the ball being able to drop in. And they sort of played with two false nines against Spurs with Eberichieze alongside him. That kind of tactical versatility is a long way away from where Arsenal were in pre-season, where behind the scenes are the conversations that I had, they were talking about how they were going to have to be more direct. They were going to need to change their style and play to Jokeres' strengths. And I think Arsenal are obviously top of the league and they look the best team in the division.
29:09But where their struggles have been in an attacking sense have been, I think, in trying to make that switch to get the best out of Jokeres. And it probably isn't a coincidence that when he's dropped out of the team, they've reverted a little bit more to how they played last season. They look a little bit more fluid. Mourinho's able to somehow link it in a way that you're getting more out of the attacking players around him. And they've not therefore then made those strides towards getting the best out of Jokeres. I mean, it might be a bit harsh to include him on this list. I mean, he has scored six goals so far, but you break it down, those goals came against Leeds, Nottingham, Forrest and Burnley in the Premier League.
29:52and in the big games I wouldn't say he's looked lost but he's looked short of the level and again Arsenal looked at Jokeres they looked at Benjamin Sesko and we'll talk about him in a minute one of the main reasons they went for Jokeres is because he was a goal a game over three seasons in Sporting Lisbon he's 27 quite a few years older than Sesko and they thought this guy can come in he knows the English game having played obviously in the championship he can come in hit the ground running yes there'll be a period of adaptation in terms of how we get the best out of him, but he is the main man.
30:23He is our number nine. He can go and win us the league. And at the moment, they look like winning the league without him. And that is, again, quite a marked change from the summer. Now, obviously, Sesko is further back in his development. He's a much younger player. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think it was a little bit of surprise that United shelled out for him when they did in the summer, given what they needed elsewhere. I mean he's looked quite short of confidence from what I've seen when he's played I mean what have you made of him is he behind schedule like the others seem to be perhaps a little bit I mean I think it's such a tough ask to A move to the Premier League at that age he's only 22 obviously got a lot of experience in Germany leading the line for Man United is an unenviable task you know it's the spotlight on you know how productive you are and how you're playing is intense and it's not for the faint-hearted.
31:19There's also this kind of debate among United fans. Did they just replace one Hoyland with another kid who came in for a big fee who never seemed to be particularly comfortable? Was he developed enough to be able to be that 20-goal-a-season striker? Obviously now he's at Napoli on loan and they've replaced him essentially with Cesco, a guy who have a similar age and similar kind of stats. That's, you know, United will tell you that Benjamin Sesko offers an awful lot more than Hoyland, even though I think he's only scored, Sesko scored two Premier League goals, I think. He's obviously injured at the moment, but United will tell you that the data and the kind of, the things that they see in their analysis will tell you that he's a far better player than Hoyland.
32:01His movement is better. He runs the channels better. He holds the ball up better. He gets United higher up the pitch in a way that Hoyland struggled to. So even though he's not scoring a ton of goals, which he's not, that United are better with Sesko in the team than they are with Hoyland. I think the Sesco signing in general is quite interesting because it shows what United and Ruben Amrim are facing at the moment. We sat with Ruben on Friday before the Palace game and he started talking about short-term and long-term. He is leading a long-term project at United. Everyone can probably see that from watching games and the development of the squad.
32:36But he also knows that he needs to win now. Now, they've brought in Mbwemo and Cunha who are adapted to the Premier League of the right age profile. you assume that they can come in and make a difference straight away. Sesko is different in that you're probably banking on him having quite a slow start because he's so young and developing into the player that you want him to be. Ruben Amrim, behind closed doors, may argue that, well, I don't have that time. I don't have time for Sesko, Dorgu, Yoro and Lamens, four players who he relies on really heavily, to get to that point when they're 26, 27 to be the finished article.
33:10So it's this balance. and there was a suggestion during the summer that Ruben Amorim would have liked a more ready-made striker an Ollie Watkins type who's already scored 20 goals in the Premier League before could come in and be have the similar impact to Mbwemo and Cunha instead he's left with Sesko who is going to take time again it's difficult for Amorim because he is under no illusions that he cannot afford to not to win games now but there's no suggestion from United that they think that Sesko is ready-made in a way that maybe Jokerez or Isak is. I also think the part of the problem, I'm going to ask you this in relation to Isak and Jokerez in particular, is that all of these strikers, and you mentioned there that Jokerez has actually done all right, goal scoring wise, he scored six.
33:55Okay. Okay. When it's measured against Erling Haaland, which is obviously the benchmark for any striker, it doesn't look that great. And now I think that is a problem for Premier League strikers because if you're not catchy or around Haaland's numbers, you're deemed as sort of second rate. And that's obviously not true because Haaland is, in terms of numbers, is a freak. I imagine that's quite tough for someone like Jokeres and even Isak moving to Liverpool. If he scores 10 Premier League goals this season, everyone's going to say that's a failure. Yeah. Well, I mean, Haaland probably does ruin it for everyone else.
34:31You're right. In terms of just his ridiculous consistency and his numbers. And maybe the way that the league's gone as well now that it does, because a consequence of it being more direct and perhaps more reliant on set pieces, dead ball situations, that you are looking to your big number nine to have more of an impact in the final third and to score those goals where maybe if you're playing more football, they're shared around a bit more. Yeah, I mean, look, I think from Isak's point of view, I think the price tag alone is the pressure, you know, let alone comparing him to Haaland. I mean, I suppose you can't, there is maybe the argument that because Liverpool are champions, it's actually Haaland has got it to prove and City have got it to prove in that regard.
35:19And that's probably how Isak should look at it. The pressure on him will come from that price tag. And to say that, you know, the sort of longer the slow start takes place, the more there's a focus on the goals. And, you know, and you sort of see it with Arteta and Jokeres that he goes down that familiar managerial trope of, oh yeah, but it's not about goals. It's about what he brings to the team and it's about his aura and about his presence. And you're like, well, yeah, but you can't really spend the whole of the back end of last season and the summer talking about how we need this big number nine and we're going to go and sign a striker and we've got our man.
35:50And then when he comes in and he doesn't score, we were talking about everything else and oh, actually the goals aren't that important. So, you know, I suppose what's helped Jokeres in his case, of course, is the team's five points clear at the top of the table. So, you know, it hasn't really mattered yet. The question is whether when it comes to March, April time, and there's still a handful of points in it, and the big chances are falling to him, and he's showing the same kind of inconsistency that he is now. Well, that's a different kettle of fish. Well, it's time for a short break. When we come back, we'll be joined by a remote Mark Ogden this week.
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37:51Well, Mark, you've written a piece that's on the ESPN site about the January transfer window and what the Premier League's big six might do. I know that the January window is notoriously tough to predict because it falls mid-season, but are you expecting it to be a busy month transfer-wise? I do think it'll be busy. I think, despite the fact that a lot of our big clubs spent a lot of money this summer, Arsenal's$250 million, Liverpool$450 million, there's still quite a bit of business to be done. So I think quite a lot of the clubs will be active in January. I think there could be some big deals.
38:21I think Man City are going to be active as well. So I do think it's going to be a busy window. I think there's some big players, Antoine Semenyo, maybe Elliot Anderson, possibly Kobe Menuh. There's going to be some big moves that could happen in January. So yeah, it could be an exciting window. Well, let's start with Arsenal then, obviously, the Premier League leaders. There's been a lot of talk about the depth that they've got and the options that Mikel Arteta has. But do you think the position that they're in, in the Premier League, the promise of a title to be won there in the second half of the season, do you think it may cause Arsenal to nip into the window and maybe just get that little extra something to push them over the edge?
38:57Well, Arsenal don't have a lot of headroom. Certainly PSR, they kind of went to the limit in the summer. They brought a lot of players in, as we know. But it looks like, for me, they've got a cupboard in every position. They've got two quality options everywhere. I think apart from in midfield with Martin Odegaard, obviously the captain, they haven't got anyone to replace his creativity. and he's missed a few games this season. He's been absent for a while with a couple of shoulder injuries. And although Arsenal are still top of the league, they've got a five-point gap, I think he's the one player that they could really miss towards the end of the season if he's not fit.
39:27So I don't think they're going to be busy in January. I think it's unlikely that it'll bring people in. But if there's an option they could find that would be maybe a loan, maybe a player that's got six months on his contract, or maybe a player overseas that fancies a Premier League challenge with a knowledge that he's not going to play every week, he's going to be a backup for Older Gabb, then I think he could do something. But I think it's unlikely. One of the names that you've mentioned talking about Odegaard, and I know lots of this is speculative, but it's Kobi Meynou, possibly. Now, Meynou is not playing at Man United.
39:56He clearly wants to play more because he wants to force his way into the England squad ahead of the World Cup. He's obviously not being used at Man United at the moment, but he is the type of player and the type of profile of player that might be good for some of the other top six clubs. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think at this stage Kobe Mane will be an Arsenal player at the end of the January window, but in terms of options that are potentially available in January to fill that older guard hole, I think Kobe Mane is one. And, you know, looking back to the Euros last year, he played really well with Declan Rice.
40:28He dovetail fantastically with Rice. And that's the kind of player that he lacks at Man United. So Kobe Mane's United career is really flatlined. And United, I think they will listen to offers for him once the African Nations is over, middle of January. So, listen, Kaby Mane in an Arsenal shirt is unlikely, but I do think he's a player that would interest big clubs. Whether he'd be interested in going to a club where he might not play as regularly as he wants is another question. I think another option for Kaby Mane could be Chelsea. We know that Chelsea like players who are young with potential, and he's only 20 years old.
40:59And I think people forget that Kaby Mane was just a kid. And I think if he was 25 years old, he could probably understand his desperation to get away from United. But he's only 20, and I think maybe a bit more patience on his side. But I understand, you know, he's not playing. He doesn't seem to be an option for Ubrun Amarim at all. He's Casemiro every week. And then, you know, more often than that, it's Manuel Lugate who comes off the bench. So it's a difficult time for Kaby Maynou. United would prefer to keep my guess. But as we know, United are happy to let players go, our homegrown players.
41:27PSR situations, it happened with Garnaccio in the summer to Chelsea. So I think Kaby Maynou will have an interesting window. I don't think you've got to Arsenal, but I think he's a player that Arsenal could look at if they were getting to the end of the window and they did a short-term option to be a cover option for Martin Oldgaard. You mentioned Chelsea there and Manu has been linked with Chelsea in the past. Obviously, on paper, it looks like one of those sort of stereotypical Chelsea signings, a young player with a high ceiling who they could try and develop. Just on Chelsea in general, they've kind of forced their way into the title race in the last couple of weeks.
42:01Whether you think that it's Chelsea or Man City as the closest challenges to Arsenal is probably a personal preference, but do you think Chelsea may look at this opportunity in the January window? I know they've signed an awful lot of players, they've spent an awful lot of money again, and look at it and think that they could maybe add one or two players to push them closer to Arsenal. And if Arsenal were to falter, they could be the team to capitalise on that. I think so. As we know, Chelsea have every window where they're one of the biggest spenders or they're certainly active. And I think they have got issues to address.
42:30Now, they are pretty overloaded with forwards, but I wouldn't rule out Chelsea moving for a forward. I mean, I wouldn't rule them out of the Antoine Semenu situation. has got a£65 million release clause of Bournemouth. And I don't think Chelsea are the front runners there. I think you're looking at Man City and Liverpool. But Chelsea, no deal can be done. And they could get it done. They spent a lot of money on Jean Pedran and Liam de Lapp in the summer, but neither has really kind of done it in the Premier League this season. So, you know, who knows? But I think Chelsea's priorities are more, you know, deep in the team.
42:55I think, you know, Enzo Fernandes and Moises Caicedo, a great double-acting midfield. But we know that discipline can be a problem there. We saw Moises Caicedo sent off against Arsenal. They haven't got a lot of cover there that's fit. Obviously, Romeo Lavia, cover, never fit. So, you know, Manu could fit in there in terms of Chelsea. Defensively as well, I think the short are centre-half. So, Chelsea could be a team that could look at Mark Guay at Crystal Palace out of contract in the summer. A deal could be done there. They need a centre-half, a commanding centre-half. I don't think they're going to win the league with Trevor Chalabra and other players that they've got there.
43:25I just don't think they're strong enough. And goalkeeper as well. We know that in the summer, they were very keen to sign Mike Manion from AC Milan. that didn't happen but he still hasn't signed his contract in Milan he's got six months left to go again Chelsea could do a deal there in terms of getting Mignon in on a relatively low fee so Chelsea have got a lot of options in the window I think they'll be busy Let's talk about Mark Gay's situation because you mentioned him there obviously at the end of the summer window he was on the verge of joining Liverpool it fell through Palace said that they couldn't let him go without a replacement he's still at Palace he's kind of suggested privately that he's not going to sign a new deal which means he can leave Selhurst Park on a free transfer at the end of this season.
44:04He's been linked heavily with, again, with Liverpool, Chelsea, a couple of others, a couple of clubs in Europe, Barcelona and Bayern Munich as well. Do you think there's a possibility that clubs could go to Palace in January and say, we'll give you£20 million now or£15 million now, you get a little bit of money, we get a player mid-season or do you think it's more likely that he stays, sees out his contract and leaves on a free at the end of the season? Yeah, I definitely think clubs will try Palace's resolve. I think Liverpool obviously need him but whether Liverpool's an attractive proposition now for Gay as it was in August, I'm not too sure because they haven't got a lot of cover for Canati and Van Dijk.
44:41If one gets injured, then you're playing all the time in a team that is struggling right now. So I'm sure Liverpool will try and I think they'll have to try early because they have to try early enough so that Palace can get somebody in to replace him. I think Man City will be interested in Marguerite. I'm pretty sure Chelsea will be as well. So they won't lack interest and even the big clubs in Europe, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, have all been linked with Marguerite in recent months. but it depends on where you want him to go and I think it suits Palace to let him go for the money but I just think that Mark Gray seems to be content to run his contract down exploit free agent status in the summer and I think that's what Oliver Glasner would prefer because obviously Glasner made it clear at the weekend that he was unhappy with the business done by Palace in the summer if they let Mark Gray go their best player basically in the window they're going to have to replace him very quickly and very well so we could see a bit of tension there at Palace if they let Mark Gray go but ultimately I don't think he will go I think he'll stay and see his contract.
45:33He doesn't have to leave. They can accept an offer, but he doesn't have to go. So I think he'll stay. I think he'll be one of the best free agents in the summer in terms of a deal for a big club to do. So they're on to Liverpool then. Obviously, they were very close to signing Gay in the summer window. They clearly want or need a centre-half. If they're going to go back into the market in January, considering how much money they spent in the summer, do you see it being a centre-half that they target? Because there's also been links with another player you've mentioned earlier Semenya at Bournemouth?
46:03Liverpool, despite spending so much money this summer,£450 million a massive spending speed, they're still quite clear on PSR. They've got quite a lot of headroom to do deals. They brought in about£250 million with players on the way out. So they made loads of money in terms of Premier League prize money, Champions League money last season. So Liverpool can get players in. Like I said, I think they will make another bid for Guayi, but whether they'll get him or not is a different matter. And then do they go for a second or third choice when their first choice is still likely to be available next summer.
46:30So it's a big question. Obviously, Ibrahima Kanata has had a terrible season and he's out of contracts in the summer. So they may find a way to offload Kanata in January. But again, it's unlikely when players get to the final six months, they don't tend to leave unless there's a really good offer on the table. So Liverpool are going to find it difficult to get a centre-half in that will do what they want to do. Semenyo is the interesting one because they are really keen on Semenyo. And obviously, Richard Hughes has that connection to Bournemouth, Liverpool's sporting director, and it might help sway a deal.
46:57but they brought a lot of forwards in. Can they afford to bring another forward in and kind of ask Semenyo, Isak, Eketike, Verts, Cody Gakpo, all these players, are they going to gel together? Got Mo Salah coming out from the African Nations mid-January as well. But the one advantage with Semenyo is that Ghana haven't qualified for the African Nations. So he's a very attractive proposition to Liverpool and also to Man City who are very keen as well. On to City then, they've also been linked with Elliot Anderson and Semenyo. they're probably a bit light in the fullback areas if anything really.
47:30Do you expect City to go into the January market? Obviously last January they were the big spenders pushing forward some of their summer business with signing the likes of Marmouch and Nico Gonzalez to fill holes in the squad. Yeah, I mean City spent£360 million over two windows in 2025 so they've still got quite a bit of money to spend. They obviously had that Club World Cup win fall in the summer so City have got headroom to do deals. I mean, Nico O 'Reilly's kind of stepped in at left-back, so I think Pep seems to have found a bit of a solution there. But right-back, yeah, they could look for him as a right-back.
48:02But I think City's priorities, to me, it sounds like it's going to be a midfielder because, you know, Rodri, he's struggling, isn't he? He's struggling to get back from his crucial ligament injuries. I think he's started, what, four games. So Elliot Anderson is a player they like, and I don't think Forrest want to let Elliot Anderson go mid-season. But City are powerful. City have got the money to do it. City could easily say to Forrest, there's£100 million for Elliot Anderson. They might not go that high, but I think they could do it because they've got the money there. They're able to get players in in mid-season.
48:31And that would make it difficult for Forrest. We know that Forrest fought too thin and nailed to keep Morgan Gibbs-White in the summer when he was going to go to Tottenham. But if they get offered a big bid for Elliot Anderson, City could offer it. And I think that would make it very hard for Forrest to turn it down. But we'll have to wait and see on that one. But obviously Semenu is another one that they're quite keen on. And so two more big six clubs to hit. We'll start with Man United. We mentioned Maynou, the possibility that he could leave in January. I think Joshua Zerkesy is another one in a very similar situation to Maynou, hasn't played enough minutes, wants to go to the World Cup with Netherlands, probably needs game time to force his way back into that squad.
49:05In terms of incomings at United, I mean, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who watches United regularly that they need at least one top-level central midfielder. They also probably need another wing-back, if not someone to start every week, but someone to add some kind of depth and give Ruben Amrim some options in those positions. United, I think we've both written that United are approaching January in quite a cautious manner. They prefer to do their business in the summer, but are open to things happening if opportunities arise. Do you see United sticking to their long-term plan and maybe targeting players in the summer?
49:40Or do you think there's a situation where something could come up mid-season in January to make United act? Well, I know United want to see out their summer plan and wait, but if they get to January and they are, well, I mean, it's unlikely they're going to get to January and be so far out of the top four, they can't qualify. So I think if they continue their kind of current rate of progress, which is top six, seven, they're going to be with a chance of getting in the Champions League next season. So for me, it would make no sense for United to say, no, we're going to wait till the summer. Because it could mean that if they spent£60 million,£70 million in January to get the player that would make all the difference, that could be the difference between qualifying for the Champions, they can get him back to where United feel they belong and where United need to be are missing out again.
50:20So I think they have to go for it. They have to find a way in January to bring somebody in. Now, they can do that by letting people go. As we know, I don't think anyone's going to go before the end of the African nations. But you mentioned there, Rob, you mentioned Mainu, you mentioned Zerksi. I think Mainu will have potential options. United are convinced that if Joshua Zerksi was to go back to Italy, having come from Bologna, they would get their money back. I'm not convinced about that because apart from the goal he scored at Salas Park at the weekend, he doesn't really score many goals or create many goals.
50:47but he's still got a reputation in Italy where people are interested, like AC Milan and Napoli are both skirting around the edges there. Manuel Agate, again, could they get him off the books? Difficult considering how much money they spent for him. So, Tiro Molassi, another one, but again, they're not going to bring a lot of money in there. So, United are going to find it difficult to raise money in the early part of the window. So, they're going to have to find a way, but the names that we know that they're interested in in terms of midfield, they're looking at Elliot Anderson, but they're going to have big competition there from Man City for a start.
51:17You look at other players, Adam Wharton, will Palace let him go in January? Unlikely. Then you're looking around and you're thinking Carlos Balaba at Brighton. Tried that one in the summer. £100 million plus deal, no chance. Angelo Stiller at Stuttgart is a player that I guess is more affordable. I think you could get Stiller for around£40-50 million and that is a deal that United could do. Whether he's Premier League ready, we don't know, but obviously sometimes you have to take a gamble. So I think United need to get something done, whether they'll get it done or not. I don't know. I mean, obviously you hear as well from people at the club that they're preferring to stay on their hands really until the summer.
51:55So do you think they're going to bring somebody in in January? Do you think it's possible? I think it's possible. I mean, the one message that we keep getting from Man United is that obviously it's very important that they sign the right players, but it's also just as important that they don't sign the wrong players. And there is this kind of worry that because of the nature of the January window. It is a seller's market. I think we all know that January lends itself to transfer mistakes and that they wouldn't want to be in a situation where they've spent some of the money in January. For whatever reason, that deal looks like it's not working out and you get to the summer and maybe the money you've set aside for an Elliot Anderson or an Adam Wharton has been reduced because you've spent some of it in January.
52:35I do think it's interesting though United kind of, obviously they set their aim at the start of the season to qualify for Europe. so that would mean Conference League, Europa League. They are in and around those Champions League places and obviously playing in the Champions League is a massive boost compared to playing in just the Europa League. So it's whether United look at what is happening right now and the progress that we're kind of seeing with Ruben Amrim and his team and think there is an opportunity this season because of, I don't know, maybe because it's Liverpool who have dropped out.
53:06City aren't particularly consistent. Chelsea aren't particularly consistent either. Spurs have dropped. there would seem to be an opportunity there to get into the top four. It's whether they decide that the opportunity is too great to turn down and they want that extra one player to push them into the top four and maybe take a little bit of a risk because the one thing we heard, particularly in the summer, and again when we approach January, is that they are just risk averse now with transfers because they've made so many mistakes in the past. And it will be interesting to see what they do because I think on one side you'll have the board, Omar Barada and Jason Wilcox may be sort of pushing for patience a little bit but Ruben Amrim because all managers do it all managers want more options and he will want ready-made players to come into his team right now and improve them for the second half of the season so there will be I'm not suggesting there's going to be any kind of breakdown in that relationship but there will be two sides of that debate Amrim on one side saying I want players now go and get them and Wilcox and Barada and Sir Jim Radcliffe sort of saying well hang on we've got this long-term plan let's just kind of but I'll foot on the ball a little bit.
54:10Yeah, I think United have got to pick up the pace. I think the long-term plan is fine and progress is being made but you can basically stall your progress if you take too long. If you're too kind of cautious, you miss the opportunity to make rapid improvements. I appreciate the money situation. They're in a catch-22 situation now. The money isn't quite there but the money will be there in the summer if they qualify for the Champions League having taken a bit of a gamble in January. So I think that they risk their progress, their slow progress, being stalled completely if they don't make the right signings in January to kind of accelerate that process.
54:45You can't stick to the plan. It's that whole Mike Tyson line, isn't it? Everyone's got a plan to get a punch on the nose. And I think it's a punch on the nose this season is the fact that they've got a chance of getting in the Champions League. So they have to change the plan and accelerate their acquisition strategy a little bit just to make sure that they're in with a chance of being where all the money is, and that's the Champions League. So yes, they're making progress, but they have to up the pace to get where they want to be. So one last one to touch on. Tottenham, we've seen progress or signs of progress at Man United.
55:15It seems like it's going the opposite way for Thomas Frank and Spurs. Lost again at the weekend to Fulham. Do you think that Spurs will go into the market in January? Do you think that Thomas Frank will be pushing for more players? because out of all those top six managers, it appears like he's in the most need of just new faces, fresh blood in that squad. It's a trickle with Tottenham because they're in a bit of a weird situation because they brought a lot of players in over the years. You look at the stuff in recent windows, they brought a lot of forwards in. They brought in Kudos, they brought in Matthijs Tell, they brought in Colin Mouane in the summer.
55:52But their attacking options aren't great. Solanke's not fit, Madison and Kulosev have been out for quite a long time. So do you spend more money on forwards to replace the ones you sign in the summer who aren't really pulling up any trees? Or do you wait for the likes of Madison and Kudasetsky to get a fee, even though they might miss the majority of the season? So they obviously need better players in all areas, but where do you start? I mean, there is a suggestion that Richarlison might be allowed to go. Everton, quite keen on Richarlison, and that would open the door for maybe me for Ivan Toney.
56:20Now, Ivan Toney, great record in the Premier League, knows Thomas Frank brilliantly because we worked at Brentford together. I think Ivan Toni would certainly improve Tottenham, but then Solanke's due back soon, so do they need Solanke and Ivan Toni? So I don't quite know where Spurs go, apart from obviously trying to upgrade every position that they've got. They have got a lot of players, and maybe it's more on Frank to find a way to get more out of these players because they can't keep going to the transfer market. We know that the owners put£100 million into the club in October to help with the running costs of the club, but that money, we've all been told, is not for transfers.
56:51So they're going to have to find a way to kind of work the market a little bit, and that may involve offloading a player like Richarlison to create a little bit of money, but it's where you spend it because, like I say, they need all areas strengthening, but all areas have been strengthened in the not-too-recent past. So I think it's more on Frank, really, to get a way to find these players to make them better. Well, you can read Mark's full piece on the January window and what the top six clubs might do in the transfer market on ESPN.com now. That's all we've got time for from the Football Reporters this week.
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