United States Fail Belgium Test

28 Mar 2026 · 1 h 12 min · 27 chapters

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In short

ESPN FC discusses international friendlies, focusing on the U.S. men’s national team’s 5-2 loss to Belgium in Atlanta, plus brief coverage of Canada-Iceland, Germany-Switzerland (Florian Wirtz), and a separate Real Madrid coaching/spirit segment.

Guests

J.J. Jermaine Jones (former U.S. men’s national team player; played alongside Hercules Gomez). Panelists: Alexis Younes, Hercules Gomez, Stevie Nichol, Ale Moreno, plus later mentions of Casey Keller, Shaka Hislop, and Jürgen Klinsmann (remote).

Key claims (U.S.-Belgium): The result is a “reality check” for Mauricio Pochettino’s team; Belgium exploited defensive issues and 1v1s, especially Jeremy Doku. Criticism targets lineup/formation choices (Timothy Weah/Weyer on the right, back-line changes, and defensive organization). Christian Pulisic is not at his best due to fitness/confidence and needs to take more on-the-ball responsibility. The U.S. lacks the “bite/grit” needed for knockout-level opponents and struggles against low blocks.

Notable examples

Weston McKinney’s 39th-minute opener; Belgium scoring before halftime; Belgium dominating the second half; consolation by Patrick Adjeman. Doku’s repeated trouble on the right-hand side.

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Chapters

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U.S. vs. Belgium Match Analysis

1:18 to 3:49

Analyzing the U.S. men's national team's performance in their match against Belgium.

“men's national team player himself, J.J.”

Player Performances and Tactical Decisions

3:49 to 6:41

Discussion on individual player performances and tactical choices made by the coach.

“I think it's a tough one, especially if you see the first half.”

Defensive Strategies and Team Grit

6:41 to 11:03

Exploring the need for better defensive strategies and the fight shown by players during the match.

“But there are a few things here that if I'm Marisa Pochettino, I want to redo.”

Transitioning Team and Tactical Adjustments

11:03 to 14:01

Evaluating the U.S. team's transitional phase and necessary tactical adjustments going forward.

“Well, I think you have to look at your defensive unit and ask yourself, is it good enough?”

Analyzing the Belgium Match Performance

14:01 to 16:00

Discussion on the U.S. team's performance against Belgium and tactical mistakes.

“That bite, that grit, that fight, that was something that teams like you were in had.”

Christian Pulisic's Struggles

16:01 to 18:30

Exploring Christian Pulisic's performance and fitness issues impacting his play.

“and talk about it, like what we have to change to show a better face.”

Expectations vs. Reality for Pulisic

18:31 to 22:40

Discussion around the expectations placed on Pulisic and his current form.

“Balogun for me is not a guy certainly the times I've seen him particularly with the US, he's not a guy that connects with anybody.”

Canada vs. Iceland: Game Analysis

24:27 to 28:00

Analysis of Canada's friendly match against Iceland and implications for the World Cup.

“Canada took on Iceland today in a friendly, and it ended in a 2-2 draw.”

Analyzing the Group Stage Dynamics

28:00 to 29:10

Discussion on the strengths and weaknesses of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada in their World Cup groups.

“How about we yell, not just talk, and say a few things?”

Potential Knockout Stage Challenges

29:10 to 30:40

Exploration of the challenges the U.S. Men's National Team may face in the knockout stages of the World Cup.

“it really is dependent upon who they play against.”
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The Impact of Environmental Factors

30:40 to 31:56

A compelling discussion on how altitude and conditions can influence Mexico's performance.

“men's national team, this is a trap group.”

Germany's Young Talent and World Cup Prospects

31:56 to 34:10

Insights on Germany's young talent, particularly Florian Wirtz, and expectations for the World Cup.

“Hercules Gomez, Casey Keller, Shaka Hislop, and Juergen Klinsmann.”

Florian Wirtz: The Contrast Between Clubs

34:10 to 36:58

Discussion on Florian Wirtz's performances for Germany versus Liverpool, exploring team dynamics.

“there's some other countries where still, I think, they're a big name, even I think the Argentinian.”

JJ's Insights and Farewell

36:58 to 39:09

JJ shares thoughts on team spirit and upcoming World Cup coverage before signing off.

“Play the German national anthem at Anfield.”

Changes in Real Madrid Under Arbeloa

40:50 to 42:01

Discussion on the positive changes at Real Madrid since Arbeloa's appointment as coach.

“All right, well, we have noticed a bit of an improvement since Xabi Alonso left Real Madrid and Arbeloa came in.”

Team Spirit and Freedom in Play

42:01 to 42:49

Discover how team spirit and player freedom impact performance.

“But yeah, like it just goes like a good spirit and I think that's helped us as well because I think when the spirit in the team is good, then I think the things in the pitch are going to be even easier.”

Carlo Ancelotti's Management Style

42:50 to 44:03

Learn about Carlo Ancelotti's approach as a player-focused manager.

“I know you respect him so much of course and a lot of your time at Real Madrid has been with Carlo Just tell me about the kind of manager he was and how crucial he was to all the success you saw under Real Madrid.”

Debating Freedom vs. Structure in Team Dynamics

44:04 to 45:54

Explore the balance between player freedom and the need for structure.

“Ale, what did you understand from what Edu Kamavinga had to say?”

Real Madrid's Talent and Challenges Ahead

45:55 to 48:21

Discuss the challenges Real Madrid faces with an array of talented players.

“and the other one's saying, no, go ahead, which is Florentino Perez.”

Understanding Vinny Jr. Beyond the Pitch

48:22 to 50:38

Get insights into Vinny Jr.'s character and public perception.

“And not only is he back in the picture, Jude Bellingham is also back in the picture.”

Coaching and Supporting Talented Players

50:39 to 52:13

Learn about the importance of support and coaching for talented players.

“So they just see this kind, they just see this part of him.”

Emotional Reactions and Player Management

52:14 to 56:00

Examine how emotional reactions can affect player performance and dynamics.

“You're going to be my guy no matter what.”

Emotional Control in Football

56:00 to 58:20

Discussing the importance of emotional control for elite players.

“when he didn't get the Ballon d 'Or and created this whole thing that was backed by Real Madrid, embarrassingly, but was backed by Real Madrid, that tells me that it's not just about emotion here.”

Extra Time Introduction and Welcome

1:00:33 to 1:03:40

Introduction to the Extra Time segment and initial questions about football.

“with a little sprinkling of some club football talk.”

Memories and Love for Football

1:03:41 to 1:06:51

Guests share their childhood memories of falling in love with football.

“The thing is, like, there are a lot of players, and people may be surprised about this, but there are a lot of players that end up playing professionally that don't particularly love the game.”

World Cup Group Chances and Perspectives

1:06:52 to 1:09:50

Discussing the chances of Canada, USA, and Mexico in the World Cup.

“Get grouped, no, yeah, get grouped, meaning that they do not get out of the group.”

Comfort Food Preferences

1:10:00 to 1:12:56

The hosts discuss their favorite comfort foods and personal culinary experiences.

“my mother's enchiladas are great albondigas, chile rellenos ceviche, you're making me hungry I know, I'm actually feeling hungry as well it's just anything that my mom makes that's comfort food it's just slaps, Stevie?”
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0:34Hello everyone, welcome into our ESPN FC studios for the latest edition of the show. I'm Alexis Younes alongside Hercules Gomez, Stevie Nichol and Ale Moreno. Packed house today because there have been a whole slate of international friendlies. We're going to start off with the U.S. men's national team who took on Belgium in Atlanta and it did not end well for Mauricio Pochettino and his men. And it did start well as Weston McKinney gave the USA the lead in the 39th minute. But then Belgium found an equalizer just before halftime. In the second half, though, it was all Belgium, Belgium, Belgium.

1:06As they continued adding to their tally, Patrick Adjeman was able to pull off a consolation goal for the USA. But in the end, Belgium win this one 5-2. All right, guys, let's get into it. But we have to bring in another very special guest, a former U.S. men's national team player himself, J.J. Jermaine Jones, a man who has played alongside the likes of our Hercules Gomez. Thank you so much for joining us, J.J. We're going to get to you in a bit. But, Herc, let me just give the microphone over to you because what does this type of result and performance tell us now? Well, it tells us that the U.S.

1:42Men's National Team isn't quite the U.S. Men's National Team that they thought they were, that Mauricio Pochettino thought they were. And that's a good thing. This is a reality check. A bit of humble pie will do this program. so good and I think it will help Marisa Pochettino figure a few things out. Before the pregame, Marisa Pochettino was going on the local pregame telecast talking about hey, we should dream. We're going to be here in the semifinal, in this building. That's where we want to be. That's what we're going to be. They felt very good about themselves after the last five games where they were playing the likes of Ecuador, Paraguay, Australia, Japan.

2:17Teams that already qualified for the World Cup. They came to the United States because of a friendly fulfillment. With players that necessarily were a first-team choice, all 11 of those first-team choice, and they got good results against those teams after an abysmal showing at the Gold Cup, after an abysmal showing in the summer series, and they said, hey, we're good. Everything's okay. This is going somewhere. We're going to have our miracle on ice moment come the World Cup. It's going to be Spain that we take down. That's going to be their miracle on ice moment in the quarterfinal. Well, not everything is going well.

2:47I think Marisa Bochitino can see that there are a few players that maybe today aren't living their best moments. Christian Pulisic would be one of those. He's a player that you need to get desperately back into the program the right way, get him going somehow. Other players that maybe you had doubts on that you can bank with, like this is a guy we need to trust. We have to trust. He has to lead us into Weston McKinney. A few question marks of why he started certain players. Why did you go with a Matt Turner over a Matt Friese? Johnny Cardoso finally gets his chance after a long time of not being with the U.S.

3:17men's national team. Why did he come out at half? We still need to find that out. And Anthony Robinson, can you trust Anthony Robinson? Can you trust his body? Almost 500 days not playing with the U.S. Men's National League. He looked good in the first half. There are certain things that you could build on if you're Mendes of Pochettino, but why is it that Belgium is five goals better than you? Why is it that Belgium took you apart in the second half? Why is it that at times they dictated the pace? Why is it you couldn't get yourself going and respond? But it's a good thing it happened now and not at the World Cup.

3:46JJ, what about you? What did you make of the results and the performance and what we saw from the U.S. against Belgium? I think it's a tough one, especially if you see the first half. I think I would say Mauricio Pochettino had to make a change, especially with Timothy Ware on the right. I think you were able to see that Doku was already doing extremely, a lot of trouble over his side. And we go into half still, we say, like in damage control. But then in the second half, they find the spaces, they find the runs to get them one against ones. And he started controlling more and more the game. And I think in general, I think it's like for us as a country, we talk about, you know, the special group.

4:34And they will show up. We will play a good World Cup at home. But it's time now to show up. It's time to, you know, get the guys like Christian Pulitzer, Weston McKinney, you know, All the guys who have been the faces of the national team so far have to show up in games like that. Because you can see other countries, their top players show up and make a difference. And we always wish and hope that everything will show up at the World Cup. But so far, when I look at the game today, I will even say it was a mistake from Pochettino to let Timothy Ware play still on the right side. Even you saw already in the first half that Doku was always over the side and had already a couple of chances.

5:17And they were not just finishing. In the second half, they finished their chances. And then you see that we lose the game 5-2. Herc, just to pick up on what JJ just said, do you think it was a mistake to play Timothy Weyer where he did? No, I think you have to play Timothy Weyer there. You've got to see what life after Serginho Dest, if there is no Serginho Dest. I thought Timothy Weyer was good around the first 30, 35 minutes. But the last 10 minutes, Doku was having his way down that right-hand side. And JJ's right. You let players like Doku, that type of ability, go 1v1 against your outside backs.

5:45And Timothy Weiss has played as an outside back on the left-hand side, right-hand side, and the wingback as a left back, right back. He's played in those formations. But any back is going to have problems with a world-class winger like Doku. But I agree with JJ. There are things that Marisa Pochettino did in this game that make you kind of scratch your head. Why is it you try to protect Tim Ream with a back line of three, and then you go to four here? You go to four, and Tim Ream may have not been directly involved in a goal. Well, that's on Tim Ream. But indirectly, he was involved in more than a few goals.

6:23He's a player with a ball that is very good for you. But defensively, he is a liability. And to all of a sudden change to a back line of four when you've not had any success with it, I thought was a bit of a head-scratcher. Marisa Pochettino will have to explain why he went down that road. I'm sure not having Tyler Adams, thinking that you need to have a double pivot in the form of Johnny Cardoso and Tessman, and Tessman's ability and Cardoso's ability to drop in as a third center back might have something to do with why he went to a four. But there are a few things here that if I'm Marisa Pochettino, I want to redo.

6:59All right, well, we're definitely going to get into individual performances in just a bit, but Ale, I mean, you were the one that was sounding some alarms there when you saw Belgium going in. You could do the alarms now. Well, no.

7:11Sebastian Salazar:You don't have to prompt me. I was going to do it anyway.

7:19Sebastian Salazar:And I mean, wah, wah, wah. Look, it's all alarms. Any alarm that you can find, any alarm that you can find, you got to ring them and send them now. Because see, here's the thing. When the United States beat Uruguay, the world was going crazy. Ah, the world, and by the world, I mean Alexis Nunez right over there. I just said it was a confident performance. It was maybe something to take some positives from, but I stand corrected. Alex said you need to chill. Yes, because you need to take a step back and actually evaluate both teams, in this case, Belgium in the United States. And Jermaine mentioned something there about Jeremy Doku being a difference maker and your best players and looking like the best players.

8:06Sebastian Salazar:Well, you watched Jeremy Doku play today, and every time that he touched the ball, it felt like something was about to happen, that he had a purpose in the way he was going about his attack, that he was going to cut to the inside, that he was going to cut to the outside. He was looking to combine. He was looking to running behind. He was looking to show. When the defender came with him, he was spinning out and getting in behind. You could see it happening. You could see it developing. Can you say the same thing about the best players from the United States? Could you see the same sort of endeavor offensively, purpose offensively?

8:40Sebastian Salazar:Well, I don't think you can say that. Anytime that Kevin DeBroni grabbed the ball with any sort of time and space, he's looking for the splitting pass. He's looking to find where the gap is so that I can find Doku, so that I can find the outlet. Can you say the same thing about those that are responsible for finding those gaps and those spaces for the United States? So there is a difference in the level of player. There is a difference. Now, it doesn't mean that you can't get results. It doesn't mean that you can't organize yourself. But when you play, essentially, against a team and you're going to say, okay, straight up, we're the United States.

9:16Sebastian Salazar:And we're going to knock the ball around because this is who we are. And we're playing at home. And it's Atlanta. And we're prepping for the World Cup. you're not preparing for the realities of what the World Cup is going to take. These guys know. Hercules and Jermaine, they know. Come World Cup time, the United States, in order for them to be successful, more than likely they're going to have to grind when they get to games like this. You can't play straight up. And if you're going to play Timothy West straight up against Jeremy Ndoku, there's got to be some help. And there wasn't help. There wasn't help coming from Mark McKenzie.

9:47Sebastian Salazar:The first time that you see, and Timothy West is a quick guy, But when you see Jeremy Nolko get around him for the first time, and it happens the second time, hey, I'm shifting over if I'm Mark McKenzie. The same thing happens on the other side. If you're Tim Rean and you're seeing that you're having difficulties, whenever Luka Bakio comes on the field, hey, you come and help. It's your responsibility as a center back to do that. But what happens here is that they both say, I'm here, I'm central, I'm fine, I've done my job. No, you haven't. No, you haven't. There are so many things to point out in this performance.

10:17Sebastian Salazar:And what bothers me is that if you're watching the telecast here, and you're hearing the commentary, it's all sort of painted in this sort of frame as if, like, well, look at the first half. Look at the first 30 minutes. Look at what they did here and this combination there. And you start pointing, like, the one combination that worked, the one sequence that actually broke through, the one play that actually felt like this team is ready to play for the World Cup. How about the totality of the game and the totality of the performance. And you see Belgium, which, by the way, is not a great Belgium team.

10:52Sebastian Salazar:And they, in 1v1 situations, in individual moments, over the course of the game, look so much better than the United States. That's the reality, and that's why you have to sound the alarm. Steve, if you're Mauricio Pochettino, what are you thinking after seeing that? Well, I think you have to look at your defensive unit and ask yourself, is it good enough? and from what we saw in the second half, it's nowhere close to being good enough. I mean, for 44 minutes, the positive is it looks okay. Lamins had to make three saves. Okay, McKenney had a straight arm, but he still had to make saves. The Turner didn't.

11:31So, unfortunately, in the 45th minute, Belgium woke up. And again, the boys are saying, we're talking about reality. The reality is, is that you cannot go against a side like them. And as poor as this Belgian side is compared to previous ones, you still cannot, as the US, open up and try and play toe-to-toe. Because if you do, what happened today will happen in the World Cup. So he has to completely look at his defensive unit and decide where it starts. Does it start at the front? Do I have to play a centre-forward who's actually going to be my first line of defence? or do I have the back six making sure that nothing gets passed and I leave the other four to attack?

12:18He's got to figure out how his team defends when they don't have the ball because against an unbang average Belgian side, wow, they've got the pants taken down big time.

12:30Sebastian Salazar:And not just because Jermaine is here joining us, right? But if you go back to the 2014 World Cup in which this team played against Belgium, and they were getting housed. But what you could sense from that team is that you had guys on the field, just like Jermaine, that would clatter somebody, that would tackle somebody, that would get close to somebody. Tell me what instance today, even as this team was getting housed, you saw somebody coming in and actually getting stuck in. That troubles me. That troubles me, that you don't even get close so that you can actually trouble somebody and you can actually hit somebody.

13:07Sebastian Salazar:And it's not just about hitting somebody. It's about actually showing. If indeed you're making a case for yourself so that you can make this final roster, then, hey, show me something. Show me something that is about effort, that is about desire, that is about commitment, that is about, hey, we're getting humiliated. We got to do something about it. And I didn't see enough of that. Alexis, if you're Mauricio Pochettino, I know he harps on there are no regulars, but you are praying. you are trying to put in bubble wrap Chris Richards and Tyler Adams because the importance of those two players down the spine of this team cannot go unnoticed.

13:43You cannot ignore the fact that these two players are a massive part of this team because of the lack of talent offensively, because of the lack of team depth. You need these players active. You need them on the field. JJ, to Ale's point, do you feel like that's something that this group of U.S. players is missing? That bite, that grit, that fight, that was something that teams like you were in had. I think that the team has players like that, and I think the bite is there. But I think it's even today, and I say this over and over to a lot of people, that I believe strongly that this team is a transition team.

14:20So, and I think you can see it, the first half, is Belgium more in position? And I think Belgium went inside and said, you know what? let them have the position and let them play and they will come higher and higher and we get the space to you know get on the break and use our weapons with doko and go behind so and i think that's why i meant like and i think in you you all guys are talked about it um i think the biggest mistake was like after first half you have to switch back from four into three to get justice protection and maybe even you know push um robinson and um we're higher so that doko has to go a little bit more with high because you're overloading their side so but i think that was just a mistake and i think in general i think everybody wants to take the battles i think western is somebody who goes in there he's he's not hiding you know but i think it's just in general i think we talk we how you say it in a nice way you you're hoping too much that something is going good because you're playing your own country to walk up but if you don't wake up this can be a real big mess because the fans will turn on you.

15:25The country is growing in soccer, the fans understanding it. You can say we're getting better, we're waiting for the World Cup, Adam is missing, this is missing, and we will have a team 100 % ready for the first game and things. But other teams will be ready too. You can clearly see it that this Belgium team is ranked 9th, but still it's not like a Belgium team what it was before. In the second half, 45 minutes, they need to completely destroy you. And so, and that's for me where you have to look into it and start like really, you know, start pointing fingers behind doors and talk about it, like what we have to change to show a better face.

16:04And I mean, I want to talk about individual performances now, JJ, and I'll just follow up with you. Christian Pulisic, because usually when the USA needs some sort of magic in situations like that, look no further than him. Your thoughts on his performance today and why we're just not seeing the best of him. You know, I don't even know what happens because today I was, I looked at it and I said, why is he not captain? You know, it's like there's so small stuff where you, you know, name him the American boy in Mr. America and all this stuff. And now, you know, you're starting like pushing him a little bit out of it.

16:35You take the captains, you give it to Reem. You know, I don't know what's going on, but you can you definitely can see, too, that his game is like before he was taking players on, he was going one against one. I remember when he came just new to the team with us. He was somebody you just saw that he's a difference maker. So that's something what I miss. You saw it in the game today, like twice, where he goes into the box and then he misses it and he gets the shot over the goal. Then maybe he can even lay it up and a teammate puts it in. But I miss just the Christian Pulisic, what takes people on, one against ones, and trust and takes the team actually on his shoulder.

17:13And I don't know what's going on, but it seems like he is not the Christian what we all know. Herc, what do you make of what JJ said about Christian? Yeah, well, I can tell you what it is. He's not fit. This past summer, there was a lot of drama in and around the national team, and it was surrounding Christian Pulisic and ex-U.S. Men's National Team legends making their voice felt about Christian Pulisic not wanting to come with the U.S. Men's National Team because he needed to rest because his hip wasn't right. Like Milan would not allow him to take the time off. He wanted to take the time off for his sip.

17:45He started off on fire the first half of the season for Milan, but we've seen this year, as the year has gone by, he's got one assist, zero goals. He's not the same player. Physically, he's not unlocked. He doesn't have that breakout speed. He doesn't have that burst of pace. He doesn't have anything going confidence-wise. He's a different player right now, which is why Mauricio Pochettino and Milan desperately need to unlock this player. There's a reason he doesn't look like the same player, because right now he's not. Steve, if you're the manager and you're hearing what the guys are saying, this is your X factor, this is your biggest player, this is your Captain America, you desperately need this man to have a good World Cup or at least a good couple of friendlies before a World Cup.

18:23What are you doing to at least get that out of him? Look, I think sometimes it's unfair that we look at Christian and think this is the guy that's going to carry us. Yes, previously he has done. but when you play against proper players and proper opposition he can't do it on his own and so he needs other players around him to play with him as well and if you don't have that, he's not capable of doing it on his own at the highest level he's not and so you've got to find players to play with him who are they? that's the problem, who are they? Balogun for me is not a guy certainly the times I've seen him particularly with the US, he's not a guy that connects with anybody.

19:07He's a guy that wants to score a goal. He wants to be on the end of things. I don't see him as a link-up guy. So you can't play with him. So who does he play with? Other than Christian trying to run past three players and stick it to the top corner, who does he play with? I don't see that the players that are there to play with him. So I'm not sure Pochettino can do an awful lot in terms of looking after Christian. He's got way other things that are way more important right now in terms of making sure they don't lose a goal. How about you just shut up shop and then you can let Christian go free and he can do it on his own and you can ask him to do it on his own because you don't have the talent around them that are going to play with them, that are going to kill teams and create lots of chances.

19:55So keep it tight and give him a free roll. Let him go wherever he wants. like a Gareth Bale did for Wales. Wales absolutely set the team around him. They made sure they were tight. They didn't go and try and play fancy football. They didn't try and go toe-toe-toe with anybody. They said, right, they drew a line in the sand. Nobody's getting past us. And every opportunity we can get, we're going to get the ball to Bale. That's the way forward for the US team if they're going to beat a proper team. They'll beat the Haities and all of these other teams. No disrespect. but they'll beat those other teams.

20:31But when it comes to proper games, that's the only way they're going to be able to do it, I'm afraid. And the sooner they realize that, the better because they ain't going toe-to-toe with anybody.

20:42Sebastian Salazar:Fairly or unfairly, Stevie, and I understand your point wholeheartedly, but if you're going to be the guy that has the TV commercials who's paying for somebody's coffee with a debit card or if you're the guy who's going to be driving a German manufacturing car. That's not his fault. No, no, no. I'm not saying it's his fault. But you're going to be that guy. I did say fairly or unfairly. No, you did. And if indeed you're going to be the guy with a documentary, then the attention is going to be on you. And he's really the only guy who gets this sort of attention in this country. And he's the only quote-unquote crossover player that you have in the United States.

21:28Sebastian Salazar:In that even if you're just a casual fan, even if you just sometimes watch his team, you know the name Christian Pulisic because it's been out there. And so, of course, the expectation is going to be on him for him to be the flag bearer. So him not being fit or him not being confident or him not being ready to play or him not having a success with Milan as of late, is not going to be enough in terms of building an excuse. Because he is, whether we like it or not, fairly or unfairly, he is the equivalent in this country to Lionel Messi in Argentina, to Cristiano Ronaldo in Portugal. He is that guy.

22:06Sebastian Salazar:He's la miña mal in Spain. He is that guy. Now, he's not as good as those players, and maybe the expectations are crazy to begin with, but he is looked upon to make a difference. And so I cannot have that guy settle on playing the ball sideways and back. I need him to be probing. I need him to be testing other back lines, as he did in the one sequence in the second half. We need to see more of that. Confidence will come from good performances. Hopefully that comes with Milan, and by the time the World Cup comes around, maybe then we'll get the best version of Christian Pulisic. All right, well, we're going to continue talking about the U.S.

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24:49And Herc, I know, of course, Canada made a number of changes for this one. They are without a couple of their big names, so how much do we read into this result? I wouldn't read too much of it, but when you're playing at home, you want to take care of business against lesser opposition. Iceland went into Mexico, played against Mexico and Mexico, thoroughly embarrassed him. I know that the whole back line was pretty much new except Richie Larea. You're missing over half of the starters. Offensively, you'd like to see this team get going. It's not a team that scores a lot of goals. Jonathan David, your all-time leading goal scorer, got going.

25:18Captain of the team. There's still no Alphonso Davies. There are players who are coming back from injury. So Jesse March can say, all right, we got this out of the way. Some players are coming back. We'll be fine. But this is the third straight game where Canada has received a red card. It doesn't matter who's on the field. Canada, for whatever reason can't remain disciplined. And heading into a World Cup, they're already in a group where they're not going to be the favorites.

25:40Sebastian Salazar:And if Italy qualifies for that group, well, there might be the third best team in that group. So you have to be not only tactically disciplined, but just disciplined on the field. You can't be a team that's known for losing your head and getting yourself down in numbers. Other than that, I think Jesse Marshall will be pleased with what he's seen from his team in the lead up to the World Cup, but still not going to be easy for Canada. Steve, is that an issue for you, the red cards? It's a red card for stupidity, let's be honest. I mean, what's he doing? The ball's already out of play. Just ego.

26:13And you can't have that. You're going into a World Cup. You can't afford to have people sent off in a World Cup. You've only got a small opportunity to qualify from your group. So you can't have anybody stepping out of line, discipline-wise, and being stupid and letting their ego get ahead of the rest of the team. So Buchanan's absolutely got a red mark against these names. That's for sure. Big time. All right. Well, let's have a look and remind you guys of the world rankings and see where the three host nations do stand. And I do want, well, there you go, 15th, Mexico, 16th, the United States and Canada, further down in 30th.

26:46JJ, let me start with you. If we're looking at the host nations, who do you feel will go the furthest in the World Cup this summer? I hope the U.S., but I think Canada and Mexico can be surprised. So I don't really have one over one. If I have to pick one, then I will go, of course, with the United States. Do you feel like after what we saw today against Belgium, does that give you more doubts? Yeah, of course. I think we all have doubts. And we all look into it and say, OK, how? But we still hope. And that's how I see it. Of course, I know, especially Mexico is a good team, too. And they can fly.

27:29Canada showed it in the quali. I think, but I will not, you know, put the U.S. especially just looking at the Belgium game and saying, okay, this is something that will happen at the World Cup. I hope not. But we saw games where, you know, they played really good too. So I think they just have to get loose. They have to, you know, sit behind closed doors, talk about a couple of things and then get the ball running.

27:54Sebastian Salazar:It's funny to hear Jermaine saying, hey, just get behind closed doors and talk about a couple of things here. How about we yell some things, Jermaine? How about we yell, not just talk, and say a few things? Look, as it pertains to Mexico, they have a, out of all these groups, they seem to have the more straightforward group, not only to get out, but it seems like there is a path for them. Whereas Canada, not so much. And without the sort of, who I think is their difference maker, Alphonso Davies, who has a completely different role with Canada than he does with Bayern Munich. If he's not part of the picture or he's not at his best, I think they become limited, more limited than they already are in terms of what they can do in the attack.

28:41Sebastian Salazar:The United States, I think they'll be fine in the group. It's after the group that the problems begin. When you start crossing over and meeting opposition like them. The United States will be fine getting out of the group. I think. In fact, you know what? I guarantee. United States will be fine getting out of the group. Put some money on it. I guarantee it without money. I guarantee the United States will be fine getting out of the group. But in the crossovers, once they get into the knockout stage, it really is dependent upon who they play against. Because we have seen that when they play against, they played against Germany, they got housed.

29:21Sebastian Salazar:They played against Turkey here, not too far from us, as well as Germany. And even though the score was only 2-1, the difference was far more than a 2-1 result. And that's the opposition that you start meeting in the round of 32, round of 16. That's when I think they're going to be in deep, deep trouble. Round of 16 for the U.S. Men's Nationally would be Belgium, if everything goes to plan for both teams. Ali alluded to it. Canada's got the worst group of them all. There's a potential for Italy to be the playoff winner in that group. and if it's going to be the first game in Toronto versus Italy, it's going to be a Toronto-based Italian team.

29:56They will be not the home team. They will experience what the U.S. Men's National Team has experienced in many places around the continental United States. They're arguably the third-best team. Jesse Marsh knows that. They are hoping they can sneak into the top two. You won't get grouped. It's very difficult in this competition. Best third place can still advance. They will advance. Mexico, in what our colleague Shaka Hislop said, The Estadio Azteca, the conditions with the altitude, the smog pollution, the daylight, that's the ultimate equalizer. Oh, yeah.

30:25Sebastian Salazar:You see where the daylight comes from? Yeah, it comes there. I love that. That's the ultimate equalizer. Even though that is a very poor Mexican national team, I think they can thrive in that atmosphere. They've got the potential to crash and burn, but they also have the potential to run the table and get out of that group. Whereas the U.S. men's national team, this is a trap group. Jermaine said something very interesting earlier. about how Belgium just said, give the U.S. the ball. Let them play with it. Let us be the team who defends and exploits their transition. Because the U.S., let's face it, they cannot break down a low block.

31:00That has been the Achilles heel for I don't know how long. Well, have you seen Paraguay play under Gustavo Alfaro? They are defensively sound. They are a team under Gustavo Alfaro that does not let goals in. They have beaten the likes of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay. They are a team that knows how to first defend and then take their chances. Very difficult to break down. Australia, that's what they live off, bread and butter. And then Turkey, if Turkey advance and become the playoff winger into that group, they will be the number one team in that group. They are the most talented team in that group.

31:32The likes that they have, it's Mexico who has the potential to advance furthest because of where they play and their crossover. So I'll go with Mexico. Wow. Did not expect that one. Well, there'll be plenty more talk about the COVID-19. I believe in America, baby. America. And how they will fare at this summer's World Cup on the next edition of Football. Oh, Gargit! Look at that. Gargit! Whoa. Hold on. Squad. I will be on. Hercules Gomez, Casey Keller, Shaka Hislop, and Juergen Klinsmann. This is a late one, but I hope you hang out with us. 11 p.m. Eastern time. Ale Moreno said he didn't want any parts of it.

32:10It's after the Mexico game. Have we got enough cheers? We do have enough cheers. Well, Jürgen's not going to be here physically. He'll be here remotely. All right, let's head to Europe, shall we? Because Switzerland took on Germany. And, well, Germany came out on top. But Florian Wirtz had quite the game. Good performance from him. Two goals. Good. You mean great? Great. I mean, of course. And I know Stevie's watching this, wondering how can he see this in a Liverpool shirt. But we will get there. Have you got a$20? Stop it. Stop it. All right. So Germany get by. It was definitely a tough task.

32:50Good showing there from Florian Wirtz. JJ, what did you make of the game? Yeah, I've been back in Germany, so I can see it firsthand. And I can see that Germany is a team, a young team now, but a lot of quality, a lot of talent. And, yeah, I think the country is hoping that Florian comes back in shape and gets the, yeah, The game is how he played it now and what he played in the past, especially with Leverkusen. But you can see already, the German team is based on the whole structure is built off Bayern Munich. And most players come from Bayern Munich. And I think there's some interesting changes what Jürgen Nagelsmann will make for the World Cup.

33:33He said that he's not going just with the talent. He will go with the best group, what fits together. but he still had the trust in that everybody can be a difference maker on the field. We're talking about Gnabry, Leon Kronetzka, Florian Wietz. They have so many guys that can make the difference, especially even the young kid, Karl. It would be super. I'll say this. I have Germany going fine in this World Cup. Going fine? When you mean fine, how far are we talking, JJ? I don't see them winning it because there's friends, there's some other countries where still, I think, they're a big name, even I think the Argentinian.

34:19But Germany is a team you don't want to face because they have so much individual quality. In this game now, you saw it. Germany is hoping for Florian Wielts to come back and be 100%. And now he showed in one game what he can change and how good he can be. But he's just one-off because it's such a young group and they still have the up and downs. But Germany can go far, and I think they will definitely come out, of course, of the group stage. And then whoever they face, it will be tough for the people who face them. Stevie, Liverpool could use some of that Florian Wirtz magic, eh? You think? Never noticed.

35:01How'd you get it? When you see him do that, how'd you get it in a Liverpool shirt? Look, I think the worst thing that happened for Florian Verts is that the other ten around them this season have been struggling big time. Now, for a player like him and what he needs around him in order to show what he's capable of, he's not playing on a side when he plays for Liverpool that does that. When he plays for Germany, he's playing on a side that does that. You know, Jermaine's talking about the youth that they've got and the exuberance they have and the confidence they have. And they've got that core from Bayern.

35:41It's all pass and move. It's what he thought he was joining when he went to Liverpool. And so when he goes into that squad and that team, he's just comfortable. It's easier for him. Well, he makes it look easy. You know when you go and stay in a hotel, it's maybe about a five-star hotel, and then you go back home to your own bed? My bed's quite comfy. Your own bed's always the best, isn't it? Yeah. And so when he goes back to play for Germany, it almost seems as though he's going home, everything's settled, everything's calm, he's composed, the confidence rushes back. And for a player like him, when you feel all those positive things, you see everything.

36:25The vision that he has, that he showed us at Leverkusen, all of a sudden, somebody's taken the... Somebody's opened the curtains and he can see everything that he's not been able to do at Liverpool. Not just because of him, but because of what's going on around him or what's not going on around him. So what you're saying is Liverpool are failing him. He's not failing Liverpool. Absolutely. Listen, players have to take a responsibility for a certain amount of what they produce. But at the end of the day, when you buy a player like Verts, you need to supply them with certain things around them. And Liverpool haven't done that.

36:56And Germany do. And Germany right now, as we saw, are getting the benefit. Then bring Germany to him.

37:03Sebastian Salazar:To Liverpool. Play the German national anthem at Anfield. Play David Hasselhoff if you so desire. Play whatever you need to play. Look, in all honesty, you watched him play yesterday and there were sequences of play throughout the game. in which, and all of us that have been part of training sessions would remember whenever you played a possession drill or you go to goals and you play with a neutral, right? The neutral guy doesn't have to defend. The neutral guy is always your outlet. The neutral guy is the guy they're always trying to find. He's going to get some touches. And you find the neutral guy because nobody's picking him up.

37:42Sebastian Salazar:Everybody else is matched a 1v1. He played like the neutral guy. Everybody went to him. Oh, he lays the ball off, gets it back again. He passes it, gets it back again. He switched the point of attack, he gets it back again. Everything in the attack for Germany went through him. It's like they needed his permission in order for them to be able to find something productive in the attack. And he was outstanding. It was every bit of what we saw at Bayer Leverkusen. It was every bit of what we see every time that he plays for Germany. And every bit of what we don't see when he's at Liverpool. And the contrast is so clear to see that you kind of go, where in the world has this been?

38:24Sebastian Salazar:If you're Liverpool and you get this from Florian Verz, that's the player. That's the world-class talent that Liverpool think or thought they were getting. So it's there. It's within him. Now it's about finding the continuity with Liverpool that you're finding with Germany. He literally played like a neutral guy in every training drill, just getting touches whenever he wanted. All right. Well, we know it's getting pretty late where you are, JJ. So we're going to let you go. Thank you so much for joining us today. But don't worry, you're not getting rid of us that easily. Because he's going to be joining us for our World Cup coverage this summer.

39:00That's right. Another member of the squad. Avengers Assemble. JJ, we can't wait to have you here. I will talk to you again soon. Thank you, guys. And have a good day. Rest of the day. Guten Nacht. Guten Nacht. Guten Nacht. Yeah, I do. I do a couple Bundesliga coverages. Don't you worry about that? Don't you worry about that? Allies. All right. Allie Bundesliga. Well, there's FA Cup quarterfinal action coming your way this week in April 4th. Look at those fixtures. Man City against Liverpool. That's an early one, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Chelsea against Port Vail later on. And then Southampton Arsenal.

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41:04If you look at the numbers, it doesn't show that big of a difference. but for anyone who has been watching Real Madrid recently, we have noticed a change in the spirit of the team, so to speak. Well, I got to catch up with Eduardo Camavinga yesterday, and he had this to say about what he thinks has changed. As you said, now you guys definitely have been doing better. Arbeloa has come in too. What's changed under him? What are you enjoying about playing with him? I think it's like he got the same spirit as Ancelotti because he let us a lot of freedom on the pitch and even us on the pitch. He's really someone like look at the player, talking with players as well.

41:44Sometimes he came with some gifts after the training. Like actual physical gifts? Yeah, some donuts sometimes. Donuts? You're allowed to eat donuts. Sometimes, you know, sometimes. Some chichu mix sometimes, you know. So that's the secret, eat donuts. Yeah, sometimes, yeah. Like speculose, speculose. And oreo as well sometimes. But yeah, like it just goes like a good spirit and I think that's helped us as well because I think when the spirit in the team is good, then I think the things in the pitch are going to be even easier. Yeah, I feel like you could tell that the spirit in the team has changed and when you have players like a Kilian, like a Vinny, that you almost don't need to over-coach, do you feel like that's what makes them play better, that's what makes you guys play better, the freedom?

42:26Yeah, I think this type of player because I think they are playing high level since a long time So you don't need to do very focus focus on them. Just make them happy You know make them happy and then I think when they're happy it's easier to play because everything is on the mind So if like you got freedom and happy happiness on your mind Then your feet gonna do whatever they want Well talk to me about a man that I know you got to see yesterday just of course for a different team and that's Carlo Ancelotti I know you respect him so much of course and a lot of your time at Real Madrid has been with Carlo Just tell me about the kind of manager he was and how crucial he was to all the success you saw under Real Madrid.

43:09I would say he's like a guy who's really close to the player. He let a lot of freedom. He's really a guy he understands. He's not really like, he's really a manager, but he's like, I would say like a father. because he understands maybe if you feel bad or if you are something off the pitch, he's going to let you days off to just take care of your situation or something like that. He's really an understanding person. I think that was the key. That's why he did a lot of time in Real Madrid and we won a lot of Champions League. Is he probably, at least for your club, one of the best, if not the best man-manager that you have worked with?

43:47And is that sometimes the secret to dealing with a team like Real Madrid with so many big names? Yeah, I think that's what I said, because we are already a great player. So I think the key is just to give happiness. Give happiness to ourselves. When your mind is perfect, happiness and things like that, your feet are going to do everything. All right, so things have changed. The spirit is better under Arbeloa. Ale, what did you understand from what Edu Kamavinga had to say?

44:18Sebastian Salazar:I'm surprised. I'm shocked. Oh, boy. I can't quite possibly wrap my head around the fact that players like freedom to do what they want, when they want, and that they don't want a manager that is all over them to have some defensive responsibilities or is demanding defensive responsibilities. I think there's a happy medium here. You can't just have all-out freedom to just let players do whatever they want because that can only get you so far. You do need some organization. You do need some structure. And while for them it was a nice change of pace, that obviously you had Xavi Alonso who was harping at them and the details and this and that.

45:02Sebastian Salazar:We're going to do this, and you've got to be over here, and you've got to move three yards that way, and you've got to move three yards this way. And they were not all for it. So when Arreloa comes in and says, these players are great. We're just going to let them play. Of course. They feel the freedom. They feel like, oh, now it's a time to express ourselves. But again, that's only going to get you so far. The talent of this team is at lead level. The structure of the team is not at lead level. And when they play against a team, say, for example, Bayern Munich coming up on Champions League, that's when we're going to see where all this freedom and all this good vibes, whether that's enough to beat a team of that quality.

45:38Listen, players are going to push you as much as you let them. And these players around Madrid, for as talented as they've been, were allowed to do and have that freedom when they want it. In comes Xavi Alonso, and he pushes back. And then it's one of your parents say, don't do this, and the other one's saying, no, go ahead, which is Florentino Perez. So when Florentino Perez backs a Vinny junior after he gets substituted and he has a public meltdown and he blames the coach and they almost have Barcelona come back in El Clasico and publicly apologizes to everybody besides the coach, you've already lost the dressing room.

46:13You've already had one of the parents say, they can do this, it doesn't matter what you say. So you lose authority. So, yes, Waka Mavinga enjoys the freedom. Players are going to do what you allow them to do. They're going to get away with what you allow them to get away with. And most players do enjoy the freedom of having a day off, the freedom of not being told what to do in a certain way. Or a donut, for that matter. Or a croissant, or an Oreo. I always found that a good idea. Stevie, obviously it's really hard to find that balance. Why do you feel Xavi Alonso couldn't find that balance? Well, I think the character of the side was as much of a problem as anything else.

46:48You've got players that don't want to listen to a structure. Do you then not allow players like that, like a Vinny Jr. and a Kylian Mbappe, to kind of get a pass then when you see it's obviously not working with them? Well, you only get a pass when you're winning. And when you start losing consistently or the team is not performing consistently, then you have to fall back on the basics, which is a structure where everybody has a job and everybody has to do their job. And then once you do that, then you can start going the other way. I mean, go and ask a player when a team's struggling how good the manager is.

47:21You might get a different answer. You might get a slightly different answer. So right now, this little spell they're on, as much as anything, is down to the raw talent that they have, the individual. Vinny all of a sudden is playing out his skin. You've got Valverde who's changed gear. Yeah. And Bappi's coming back. but when you're just relying on individual talent all the time, it eventually catches up with most teams. Real Madrid, however, for years have been getting away with that. So although I'm saying you need a structure, if there's one team that can get away with it, it's Real Madrid. But every proper team, when things get difficult and they're not quite smooth, you have to rely on a structure.

48:07And if you don't have one, you turn up against the wrong team, you're in big trouble.

48:12Sebastian Salazar:Stevie, you mentioned there Vinny playing out of his mind. It's not a coincidence that Vinny has been playing out of his mind during the time that Kylian Mbappe has been out. Now Kylian Mbappe is back in the picture. And not only is he back in the picture, Jude Bellingham is also back in the picture. So now Arbeloa is going to have to make the decisions that he hasn't had to make getting to this point. Because those injuries made the decisions for you. and he's going to have to include Kylian Mbappe, and he's going to have to include Jude Bellingham, and he's going to have to include, of course, Vinny, and now we go back to the same issues that Xavi Alonso was having.

48:46Sebastian Salazar:How do I play all these guys and still have the key word that Stevie mentioned there, structure, organization, balance, that I don't just rely on talent, that I actually rely on work, on defensive sacrifice. Those things need to happen. It's decisions that Averloa didn't have to make up until now. We'll see how he deals with that. And do it all while your best player over the last four or five years in Courtois is injured. The guy who constantly bells you out. All right. Well, Ale mentioned Vinny Jr. And let's be honest, he is enjoying a nice up in form. This is a look at his numbers under Xabi Alonso versus under Arbelo.

49:23And remember, numbers don't tell the full story. But one thing's for sure, Vinny Jr. is probably one of the most polarizing figures on the Real Madrid team. But Eduardo Camavinga happens to enjoy a very good relationship with Vinny. and he gave us a couple of anecdotes into who the man is that we don't get to see. Tell me more about that relationship with Vinny because I feel like, of course, we cover him a lot in La Liga and I feel like he's somehow misunderstood in the media. But if you could tell us who Vinny really is, what's he like? Vinny's really a great, great person. I think the people don't realize that because every time screaming on the pitch, They think it's a problem, but it just...

50:08I'm not going to say... He's a guy, like, he's really emotional, you know? But, like, when you know him personally, he's really a great guy. He's always helping, like, the young people. Even, like, for example, a new pro is coming. He's the first one to go to show them around and things like that. So, yeah, that's why I got this type of reaction with him because I know this guy is, like, he's an amazing guy. So that's why it's my G, I would say. It's your G. And yeah, he's like, he's misunderstood because he's a guy who's always screaming. And the people just see because they don't know him personally.

50:40So they just see this kind, they just see this part of him. But no, Vinny's really, really a good person and great person. And I mean, it's so funny because of course he gets criticized so much about his dancing on the pitch when he scores, his antics. But you look at how American athletes are here in the NBA or in the NFL. They have big celebrations and people here, we love that. So why do you think you go to Europe now or in Spain? He's vilified for it. I would say just everything is about culture. I think they don't really understand this type of things in Europe because even the Brazil, Brazil, they like to dance, they like to show off as well, like in America as well.

51:20But I think in Europe, they don't really like this type of things. But as well me, just about my point of view is like, If the fans are booing you, the football is still a game. If they did something, you can't do something, it's just a game. After the game, everything is done. Everyone is going to go to their home. When they are booing him and just dancing, it's just a part of the game. I think they took it personally and they criticized. Every time when something happened to him, he just responded. I think the people don't really like that. Just let the man dance, man. It's culture. It is. It's no surprise we've all been there as players.

52:03Stevie, who's the coach, when you have a manager who believes in you, who literally takes you under that wing, who puts his arm around you and says, I know you're having a difficult time. I'm going to ride you no matter what. You're going to be my guy no matter what. You play with a certain type of freedom. You're loose. You go out there. You're having fun. The pressure is off. You perform in a certain type of way. It's funny because we're looking at, you know, Kamavinga talk about Carlo Ancelotti, and I look at a guy like Stevie Nichol, and Clint Dempsey's had an unreal career, but maybe Clint Dempsey's not Clint Dempsey today if it's not Stevie Nichol who's his first manager because he's sort of a wild card, just like Vinny.

52:39You take a player who could be at times problematic for certain others, and you guide him the right way. You make sure that he believes not only in himself but in his teammates and where things can go and where things can head. I don't think Vinny's a bad guy. I think Vinny's an exceptional player. But there is a tendency of who Vinny performs for and how he performs. Stevie, can you see the similarities in the two? In Clinton, Vinny? Not really. You and Carlo and Chalotti? Good point, Hercules. Good point. I didn't say in talent. In terms of the type of player. No, in terms of having him do what's going to bring the best out of him, yes.

53:21Correct. you've got to when you're coaching somebody you've got to figure out how do you get the best out of them now unfortunately for the rest of the Real Madrid team Vinny in terms of playing football is a big kid because if he doesn't get the ball he goes home or he runs away with it and nobody else is getting it I mean that's just the bare bones of it so there's no point in asking Vinny to come back in and sit tight and at least at least, you know, help your team out defensively because he doesn't want to do it. And he's such a superstar. Well, he is a superstar, but he's also a superstar in his own mind that it's not his job.

54:03And there's no trying to change that. No. Well, if you do, then you saw what happened under Alonso. You know, when you let him bring his own ball and let him play with it, then you get the benefit. Well, the problem is it's two of those. Ali was just mentioning, what do you do when Mbappe comes in? Because now it's okay. Teams have one of those players, But when you have two of those players. Well, you throw Belliam and now you've got three. Three, exactly. So Arbelo is having nightmares now. It's great when it's going well. Everybody loves it. Everybody can just go out and play. Don't worry about the structure.

54:32You go, son. Now, as Ali said at the end, now we'll see what Arbelo is about. Because he's going to have to make decisions. And he's not going to be able to just look after everybody and let those three, in particular, do what they want.

54:47Sebastian Salazar:Now, Kamavinga described Vinny as his G, right? You know what that means, Ale. You're my G. I'm with it like that. You're with it, man. What's that? Herc, you know what a G is, like my G. I have no idea. Don't ask me. Right. It's like my G, my gangster. You're my gangster. OG. Stevie, you're my G. OG. You're the OG. You're definitely the OG. Stevie is definitely the OG. Stevie is the original gangster. Wow. And so, of course, Camavinga is going to look at it from the perspective of Vinny and say things like, you know, he's just an emotional guy. And when he's out on the field, he does these things.

55:27Sebastian Salazar:I'll be the first one to defend Vinny when he scores a goal and he goes and celebrates. Yeah, baila, Vinny. Baila. Dance. You do you. You've earned the right to be able to do that. And however you want to go about celebrating, go ahead and do so. The problem is, it's not his emotional reactions that bother me. It's the fact that after the game is over and there's been time for everybody to calm down, for everybody to think about what they're about to say next, he then goes on social media and says something that had no bearing in whatever it is that he did on the field. when he didn't get the Ballon d 'Or and created this whole thing that was backed by Real Madrid, embarrassingly, but was backed by Real Madrid, that tells me that it's not just about emotion here.

56:19Sebastian Salazar:It's about more what Stevie's talking about, that if I don't get my way, then... Throw your toys out. Well, yes, then we're going to throw everything up in the air and nothing's going to work. So I see him, much like her, as an exceptional talent and a guy that if he just focuses on, I'm going to be this guy right in front of me, my 1v1 situation, I'm going to create a chance for myself or for my teammate, there's nobody better than him in that position. It's that sometimes it's about the ancillary stuff. It's about who's yelling from the 30th row. It's about who said something about me in the media.

56:55Sebastian Salazar:It's about who doesn't love me and who does love me. It's about what the referee said to me and said it in a manner in which I didn't care. and it seemed... He's an emotional guy, Ale. Yeah, but you know what? To be an elite player, you have to be able to control your emotions and actually use it to your advantage. Use all of that, bring it in, all of that within your chest and allow it to just blow up in what you do in your performance. And he just loses so much emotional energy, just wastes energy in focusing on everything else rather than what's going on in front of him. When he does this, nobody better.

57:37When he's focusing on everything else, he's in trouble. The problem is try convincing a player who's already scored in two Champions League finals, who's been considered the best player in the world, to change. Let me have a conversation. That's the problem. Vinny, Vinny, we've got to sit down, we're going to talk. Somebody asking him to change who he's been

57:55Sebastian Salazar:and how he's been has gotten him everything. But I'm not saying change. Use all of this. Use it. But use it to your advantage, not against yourself. And that's the part that he has to understand. Use it for you, not against you. Well, Ancelotti helped him in that sense. Well, yes. And apparently Everlois is doing the same. Come on the nominator. Do what you want, Vinny. Do what you want. We all like a bit of freedom, right? I like freedom. Not too much freedom. Get stagios. Anyways, La Liga will be back. What are we talking about now? La Liga will be back on ESPN Plus after the international break.

58:31Real Madrid have a nice little away day against Mallorca. That's at 9.45 a.m. Eastern time on April 4th. Do be sure to join us.

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1:00:37But don't go anywhere because we're going to be answering your questions next on Extra Time.

1:00:49All right, welcome into Extra Time. Ale, you were chuckling over there. Why were you chuckling?

1:00:55Sebastian Salazar:All right. I cannot tell you. You forgot. It's because I'm essentially working for Ball America's and W this week. Are you proud of me? Yeah, that's it. You got it. That's exactly it. You don't miss much. No, no. All right. You do, bud. You miss what I was chuckling about. Oh, yeah, I didn't get to see it. All right, let's get into the questions, shall we? First one, this one's for everyone. Same question as yesterday. What made you fall in love with football growing up? My father. He was my introduction into the game, and his early memories that I have was following him around and chasing a soccer ball around.

1:01:29That's the very first time, you know, I fell in love with the sport was he took me to his men's league game. Stevie? The ball. Oh, just... Just a ball. Just picking it up and playing. I don't remember ever doing anything without a ball. Oh, that's true, because back in your day, I don't think you had TVs or anything, right? Did you have TVs? No. Radio? Electricity? I had TVs.

1:01:56Actually, I do not remember ever, as a kid, doing anything without a ball. Turned out well. Not bad. Not bad. Ale?

1:02:08Sebastian Salazar:Well, I was first brought into the game because my older brother played, and we went to the same school. And when it was his turn to play, being older, I was still a young kid. We didn't have a team for my age group. I would still have to stick around for his practice. And because I was lingering, basically, loitering around the field, whenever they needed a number, they would throw me in. And so that's how I sort of began to play. But I fell in love with the game the first time when it was my turn to play in a team setting. First game of the season for El Colegio San Ignacio de Loyola against San Agustín del Marqués in Caracas.

1:02:58Sebastian Salazar:I scored. And when I score, obviously there's a feeling about scoring. That glory. But the noise coming from the people watching after scoring, you put those things together and it's like, I want that. Every day. I like that. I want that every day. Give me some more of that. I like that. So Ale wanted the glory, the smoke, everything. I wanted to win more so than anything. I think we should do that for you. We should, like, scream like you scored every time you walk into the office just to let you know you're appreciating, Ale. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. We're going to do that.

1:03:33No? What are you going to scream? Just cheer for him. I would try now, but I'm still playing a horse. Yeah. Woo, Adley! You're screaming. No, I can't scream. I'm still a bit hoarse.

1:03:44Sebastian Salazar:The thing is, like, there are a lot of players, and people may be surprised about this, but there are a lot of players that end up playing professionally that don't particularly love the game. It's their profession. They're good at it. They like to do it, but they don't actually love it. And I can tell you, in that moment, there was a difference between liking and loving. And so the question was about loving the game. That's when I fell in love with it. That was a beautiful story. That was my favourite one of the three. Thank you. You're welcome. I hope you loved it. Next question now for Stevie.

1:04:19Stevie, will managers at the World Cup actually like the cooling breaks because it gives them more opportunities to provide instructions and make adjustments?

1:04:32Well, the ones that like listening to themselves talk will absolutely love it.

1:04:36Sebastian Salazar:There's a few nos going around. They'll love it. There's a 9 out of 10 of them. And the coach whose team's actually in control of the game will hate it because it'll disrupt that. So you've basically got two different types. You've got the ones that want to keep going and not stop, and the other ones that are just glad that they can get to talk again. and let everybody hear all the wisdom that they're going to give them. As a player, do you like that? Do you like when your manager is able to give you a little bit more instruction or just shut up and let me play? I'm trying to think if I play during a hydration break.

1:05:08I don't think I'm trying to remember. You know, I did. One of my last years in MLS, Kansas City Soccer Saturday, and it's brutal. And you don't even realize there's a break. I mean, this was actual heat. It wasn't a cooling break so we can make some money off of a refreshment. It was actual heat, and you're just trying to get your bearings type of deal. So I don't think I heard the coach. Just give me the liquid. You know, in all honesty, during the game, I hate overcoaching. Yeah.

1:05:38Sebastian Salazar:With a passion. You're a little Vinny Jr. You. No, no, no, no, no. You say what you needed to say. You say what you needed to say during the whole week. Give me freedom. You say what you needed to say in the pregame. Yeah. Then let us go. Yeah, there's got to be that trust there. Yeah, let us go. Let us. you're not holding a joystick putting players in position on the field. Now at this point all the work that you've done, that's it. Now it's about us. Now it's about the players. And the over-coaching sounds a lot more like what Stevie was talking about, hearing themselves talk and their own concerns and their own insecurities rather than what's going on on the field.

1:06:13The worst ever is when you're sat in the other dugout and the guy in the other dugout when you're battering them, it doesn't say a word. It doesn't say a word. Somehow they go ahead and they score. All of a sudden, this guy's out at the edge of the box. And as you come over here, you do this. And it's all for effect. It's all for effect. That's the one that used to get right off my beak. Your beak, I like that. Next question for Herc and Ale. What are the chances Canada, USA and Mexico get grouped at the World Cup.

1:06:55Sebastian Salazar:Zero chance. Okay. Get out of the group. Get grouped, no, yeah, get grouped, meaning that they do not get out of the group. Oh, that they all don't get out of the group. No. Zero chance. Just briefly, I believe it was the U-17 World Cup. Mexico's national team had three points, and they made it into the next round off a fair play. They had less yellow cards. The same format, by the way. And they ended up playing Argentina's team, which went three for three, nine points the next round and one in penalty kicks. It is very, very difficult for a team to get grouped in this new format, which is why I think maybe one can get grouped.

1:07:30That can happen. But all three, zero chance. New phrase for me. I'd ask them for you, zero. Forget about it. Yeah, no.

1:07:39Sebastian Salazar:More than likely, two out of three are getting out. And there's a possibility that three out of three are getting out of the group. So, yeah, I don't see it. All right, next question. Oh, Alexis, how are you feeling about Jamaica next Tuesday? Will Jamaica be going to the World Cup? Honestly, I'm not feeling good about it. I'm just going to be honest. I mean, I did stay up to watch the game against New Caledonia. If you told me that we were going to beat New Caledonia by one goal to nil. They deserve more. I don't even know who New Caledonia is. It's a overseas French territory. It's next to Old Caledonia.

1:08:13So, wait, he's here all night. All right. Yeah, if you told me that we were only going to beat New Caledonia by a goal to nil and then have to go and now play against the Democratic Republic of Congo, I'm not feeling good about it.

1:08:30Sebastian Salazar:I'm not. Give me a taste of it. So that I can give you some sort of glass half full sort of thing. Beacon of positivity. Yeah, beacon of positivity. That is natural. It's natural to me. It is. You could be Venezuelan. We have zero chance of going to the World Cup. And the only thing that we got going for ourselves as of now is that we beat Trinidad and Tobago 4-1. Why did you do that to Xhaka? Take that, Xhaka Hissl, because I'm not a beacon of positivity to him. I'm a beacon of positivity to you. You still have an opportunity. You have a chance. We don't. Go out there and fight. Yes. We now take solace in the fact that we beat Trinidad and Tobago.

1:09:06Sebastian Salazar:That's what we got. All right. I take that back then. Then I feel some percentage that we can. If they go out there, I just want them to fight. Just like the U.S., I just want us to have that grit. Just leave something on them. A beggar! Okay, let's move on. All right. Next question. I'm not looking forward to it. I'm being honest. They've defeated me. I never thought I would be defeated. So are they going to make it or not? Honestly, if we're going to do percentages, I'm going to say 60-40. 60 to not. Oh, wow. So you're betting again. They've hurt me. I said I was going to stop making people's sons hurt me, but I let my own country's men hurt me.

1:09:40Sebastian Salazar:Are we still talking about the Jamaican national team? Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. I was definitely confused. All right. For everyone, what's your go-to comfort food after a long, tough day? That will be in, like, your fridge? I guess, or what would you like to reach for? I mean, if it's not Mama's Home Cooking, I don't know what is, right? Facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what dish? Take me back. my mother's enchiladas are great albondigas, chile rellenos ceviche, you're making me hungry I know, I'm actually feeling hungry as well it's just anything that my mom makes that's comfort food it's just slaps, Stevie?

1:10:23no, come on my first choice isn't solid what? oh, it would be soups no oh, sorry oh, that went over my head A nice cold one. That would be your first comfort.

1:10:40Sebastian Salazar:I got spacho. I got spacho. But if you had to go with salt, you'd drink your dinner. If the fridge was empty. Which still also never happens in your house. And if it's past 8 o 'clock on a Sunday night, I go in mince and tatties. Mince and tatties. Why is it that the cutoff is past 8 o 'clock Sunday night? I've no idea why it's short. Oh, because the liquor stores are closed. Yeah. Oh, right. Yep. I said, it's not at 6 o 'clock, isn't it? Oh, I don't know. You know better than us. You definitely know better than we do. Well, I make sure I don't get in that situation. Yeah, that's true. That's what I'm saying.

1:11:21Those liquids never run out in your house. Oh, no. Ale?

1:11:25Sebastian Salazar:Yeah, look, so while I agree that anything that my mom fixes would be the way to go, I haven't been around my mom on a consistent basis since I was 12 years old. Oh. So you learn to toughen it down. Learn to survive. You learn to survive. And when it comes to survival, a grilled steak is something that I can get behind. Well done, I hope. Medium, medium well. Wow. Medium well? I said medium. Well done. Well done. Absolutely. You have it well done. Like chewy. Heathen. Heathen. Not chewy. Everybody has this... Everybody's just thinking that it's chewy because you do it well done. I don't know. I don't really eat steak.

1:12:09I don't really say. No, a proper filet mignon. Oh, hello. That's your go-to. You can still melt in your mouth. Oh, hello.

1:12:19Sebastian Salazar:There was a percentage of people that thought you were going to say filet mignon. I'm glad we pushed through. Give him a bit more credit. Our boys well-traveled. No, I've been to Spain a few times.

1:12:37All right. That's it. That's it?

1:12:41Sebastian Salazar:A grilled steak. A grilled steak. Yeah, that's where it's at. Try a little red. A little red. Spend your life. Yeah, I'll be sick. Yeah, Stevie's not a big fan of that. All right, well, that's it for this extra time. But don't forget that ESPN FC, we are on seven days a week. You know where to find us.

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