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24:36Jurgen Klinsmann:It was fun to watch him. And from a German perspective, a big moment today because Nagelsmann brought in the young Lennart Kahl from Bayern Munich, 18 years old, for the last 20 minutes for his first cap. And that excites a lot, a lot of people in Germany, and with the hope that he takes him to the World Cup, to the United States this summer. A wonderful young player there to follow. But it was the big day of Florian Wurz, no doubt about it. So, Jürgen, is it too simplistic to say, look, he can do it on nights like this because it isn't as intense as it is in the Premier League? No, I wouldn't say so.

25:15Jurgen Klinsmann:I think he is capable to play the same level or really an outstanding level in the Premier League as well. I mentioned it many, many times during the year when we discussed Florian Wirtz. It just takes time. He's not coming and performing like he did in Leverkusen where he was in a flow, where he was in a hierarchy as a young player on the very top already. He comes to Liverpool. He has to put himself into his spot. There are other people commanding the locker room and calling the shots. And, yeah, I mean, it's just such a big learning curve coming there from Germany into such a huge club like Liverpool that, for me, it was clear it will take time.

25:59Jurgen Klinsmann:The kid has incredible qualities. You know, he has so many skills that hopefully he now shows more and more at Liverpool and obviously in the national team. Hopefully we see far more than in the World Cup this summer. But for me, it was a normal progression that he will go through. and that's why I'm really happy for him today that he showed some of his super skills in that friendly with Switzerland. I think he just feels, it looks to me as if he feels just more, a lot more comfortable playing for Germany at the moment because he is in his comfort zone. He's expected to be in the German team. His place really isn't under threat in that team because they know what he's done in the Bundesliga.

26:41They've seen it week in, week out. They know his skill set where when he's at Liverpool, he's settling there And he's still trying to prove himself. In some sense, he's got this huge price tag. Most of Liverpool fans wouldn't have seen a lot of him before he arrived in England. And so when he's playing for Germany, he's sort of oozing that confidence because he's been there, seen it and done it in the national team jersey and with Leverkusen. But when he's with Liverpool, there's a constant, you know, two times a week, whenever they're playing a Tuesday, a Wednesday or a Saturday, what's Florian Wirtz going to do?

27:12Where was Florian Wirtz today? and also he's playing on a side that has patently struggled for any sort of momentum. So I think he goes back to Germany. It's almost like it's a nice break for him because they're not sort of saying, what's Florian Verts doing in the national team? What position is he? Where's the goals? Where's the assists? All those things that the media and Liverpool fans are still sort of waiting for, he's been doing that for quite some time for Germany. I just feel, to me, it looks like when he goes back with the national team, he just oozes more confidence. And when you're in that frame of mind and you just feel that you're the guy, then you're going to play better.

27:56Because your chest puffs out, whereas at Liverpool, he knows every week at the moment, apart from Mo Salah, nobody else is getting more eyes on him to say, what's he doing? And where's his best position? But I think that's understandable. You see that oftentimes with players who are struggling at club form. They go back to their countries, just feel relaxed. They're the star player. The fans aren't going to boo every misplaced past. And you play with a certain amount of confidence and relaxation that shows up in terms of their performance. So I totally understand Florian Wirtz looking this good for the German national team.

28:33A team that he knows well. He knows his style well. he knows, again, talking about chemistry with the players around him, that he does not quite yet feel in the red of Liverpool. So it comes as no surprise, and I'm with Jürgen in that those things develop over time. You just hoped it would develop a lot quicker, given his talents. But clearly, but he's got time on his side. You're right in a sense that we've all played international football here, and international football's a bit more, well, yourself, I'm sure you were just unlucky. He lived in Madrid. He lived in Madrid. Maybe if you're a couple inches taller.

29:11You're made... But, you know, international football, sometimes it's a frantic game, but most of the time it's more of a chess game. Right. It's a little slower. It is a little bit more tactical. So maybe that does, maybe there is a little bit of that that suits them at the moment, whereas the Premier League, like a lot of leagues, is frantic sometimes. But I definitely feel that there's a big part of it is he just loves to go back and do what he's been doing for Germany for quite some time and that's be in his comfort zone. World Cup, winners or bust? Standard for Germany, Jürgen?

29:49Jurgen Klinsmann:Well, I think quality-wise they have a good side, a side that can go far in this World Cup. The question is, how will the chemistry work? Who are the leaders of this team? When I watch them still today, I don't see who's the boss of that gang, who's the boss of the team. And since Manuel Neuer said that he's not available anymore, obviously they have now as a number one, they have Oliver Baumann there in goal. On an international level, that's a different story. He's the goalkeeper of Hoffenheim in the Bundesliga. But the quality is there. They have the players to do well. But yeah, I'm really curious to see if they have the desire, If they have the capability to suffer throughout the entire World Cup, it's going to be a long World Cup with five and a half weeks.

30:38Jurgen Klinsmann:But a performance like today, you know, where you see a young Florian Wirtz. And we still, when we talk about Florian Wirtz, we don't have to forget that he's still very, very young. It's not that he's around the block already for many, many years. So it will be interesting to see how that hierarchy within that team will look like when they go into the tournament. who makes the calls on the field, especially on the field. And then I think quality is there, especially attacking quality is strong. When Musiala has come back, he didn't play today. So once he's hopefully in full strength coming into that side, then they can hurt anybody in the World Cup.

31:18Jurgen Klinsmann:Defensively, I saw a couple of issues today. Obviously, he gave away three goals. But, yeah, it will be interesting to see. Meanwhile, let's talk about another one of your former sides, Jürgen. Of course, the US men's national team in action tomorrow in Atlanta as they take on Belgium. Here's what Mauricio Pochettino is looking to get out of these friendlies. Of course, the performance here is what counts more than to perform in your team, in your club, because different circumstances like in the case of Sio Reyna. Maybe he's not playing for different circumstances, but maybe he's a good player for us.

31:55you know, maybe it's different. It's the playmaker that maybe a profile like we are, like a coaching staff we like. And if he can perform not playing in his team, maybe, you know, he will have the possibility to make the roster.

32:10Jurgen Klinsmann:There's pressure. It's a World Cup. It's not because of my position in the team or anything. Like, I'm used to this. I wouldn't want to be in any other position. I'm so lucky. I feel privileged to be in this position. there's pressure I feel it yes like it's there but it's nothing that I can't handle I'm gonna yeah attack it head on we are as a team that's I don't need to do it by myself that's the beauty of us giving everything that we have and not having any regrets throughout the tournament or after the tournament I think that's a successful tournament for us to go as far as we can because obviously anybody in any team that's entering into the World Cup is going there to win it and have plans to win it um that's why we're there that's why we do what we do because we compete you're gonna i just want to go back to what pochettino was saying about geo reyner of course this has been a big debate amongst us fans over the last few days given his lack of playing time at gladbach how as a coach do you manage that well obviously for you as a coach the most important thing is now to see him on a daily base in training and obviously in the two friendly games that he hopefully then plays and make your own judgment.

33:27Jurgen Klinsmann:I mean, obviously he follows every performance of the players in their club teams, but most importantly is for him when he has him in training sessions and in his couple of games that are left before the World Cup starts to make his own judgment and also to see how he then fits with the other players, how that flow works. and that's why I totally agree with him. Looking at these games, when you were coaching leading up to the World Cup, Jürgen, is it all about performance? Are there a few players you're not sure about? How are you trying to balance looking at the team that you want and the squad that you need to build?

34:05Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, that's what you as a coaching staff discuss every single day. How does this team match together the best way possible? Who are your players that, you know, built the chemistry of that team? How does, you know, all these little puzzle pieces, how do they fit together? So this is what you discuss up and down as a coaching staff. And so you really film, obviously, your training sessions and you watch the training sessions even like it would be a game because every little information there is important to you. And then you have to make the decisions prior to the World Cup, who are the 26 going into the tournament.

34:49Jurgen Klinsmann:You have to cut a couple of people before that, which is very difficult for every manager out there, telling people that they're not on the roster at the end of the day. But you want to get as much out as possible in these few days now. He has the team together, and I'm sure that they know that. I mean, fans think just because somebody's playing the best at that time that they should be in the team. It doesn't always work like that. International managers, in my experience, a lot of them, it's who they trust. Somebody that's done a job for them, somebody that's proven they'll do a job for them, somebody that's consistent and then they'll sprinkle it with players that can maybe make a difference.

35:30Look at Didier Deschamps. I mean, Olivier Giroud was, you know, he wasn't the most pleasing on the eye. but Griezmann and Mbappé and players like that, they worked off him. And that physicality and that long ball and those knockdowns, they worked for France. But there was probably strikers with more talent scoring more goals than Olivier Giroud. Certainly not for France, his goal-scoring record was excellent. And then you look at the centre-half position with France, Pomicano and Canati. People have been saying, why is Saliba not playing? Because he trusted those players. Now, those players have been making, particularly Canati, have been making mistakes this season, so let's see where that trust goes.

36:10But I think sometimes when a player's not playing for the club, as long as their fitness is at a certain level and if they've done a job for a manager before and they can fit into a squad environment and they're not going to be a problem, but they can be a use to the team or the squad or the camp, they may go ahead of somebody who is playing a little bit more because the manager trusts this particular player. and that's how it worked with Scotland with us. I mean, there's a lot of guys playing well, but the side that we've had was rigid and Craig Brown picked the players that he trusted and had done a job for him.

36:46And I feel a lot of managers kind of go that way these days. But here's the thing. Everybody knows Berhalder as a player. I remember him at his best in his Dortmund days, certainly, but you've not seen that for quite some time. And Pochettino has taken every opportunity over the last year to say that he is picking players who are playing well for their clubs. Now, Gio Arena has not played well for his club, whether it's Modric Gladbach, Dortmund, was not a part of Berhalter's plans in the last World Cup. So there really isn't a lot to go on in terms of recent form from Gio Arena. Again, at his best, particularly on the other flank from Christian Pulisic, he is a real threat to have.

37:31but he's just not shown that he can be that player anymore. A manager might just look to you and say, well, will he even as a 60 or 70 % fit player make a difference for me in a 15, 20 minute or a half of a game? Granted, I'm with you, but remember if you look back to last summer or to the summer, just before the Gold Cup, when Christian Pulisic pulled out, Pochettino took every opportunity to say nobody's position is guaranteed in this squad you have to be playing and playing well and you have to come into these windows and play well nobody's getting selected on reputation Gio Reyna has done nothing in that time to suggest that he should be a part of Pochettino's squad Jürgen are you glad this headache isn't yours anymore dealing with stupid journalists asking you about players or do you miss it?

38:30Jurgen Klinsmann:No, I mean, the challenge for the manager and for the coaching staff is definitely when you put together this roster for a World Cup, then you go through all different kind of scenarios, what to expect in specific games in the World Cup. And, you know, you have games where you dominate, where, you know, you have the majority of the ball and it plays out a certain way. Then you have games where you react more to your opponent because that opponent is simply, whether you play Brazil or Spain or France, you will have less possession and you've got to play in a different way. So by the choice of your players, you think through it, okay, what does this player, now in this case we're talking about Giovanni Reina, with his characteristics, with his qualities, what can he give the team in order to turn around the game?

39:20Jurgen Klinsmann:How can he make a difference in a specific moment in a game when the opponent plays a certain way? And these scenarios you talk through day and night with your coaching staff. And we had a situation like that in the 2006 World Cup. I brought in David Odonko, 18, 19 years old from Bursa Dortmund. And he was supposed to go to the Under-21 European Championship. But we didn't tell anybody that we actually will call him into the senior national team for the World Cup. so when we announced in the roster and this kid was in you know i just told him switch off your phone and tell your parents better to to change their phone number now um so um so you you're going to be ready you're going to get a chance you'll probably come in and and surprise something and that's what he did he came in and the last group stage came with poland and and uh did an assist for the decisive goal in the 93rd minute and that was his moment so because he was very very fast so he has speed so in Giovanni Reina's now case it's it's clearly it's clear that he has specific talent he's he's a good player he has specific characteristics and now Maurizio will will think through it with his coaching staff saying okay for what moment would he be the the best option for us to have in order to win a game and yeah those are the discussions that you have day and night when you when you sit together with your coaches.

40:42Jürgen much appreciated mate thank you very much of course that will be our main feature on the next edition of espnfc uh former us international jermaine jones uh will be joining us to get his thoughts on the us against belgium and then on tuesday joe is joining look at this for a cast munez hercules gomez casey keller uh jürgen klinsman of course sorry the show shaka his slop what

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42:24So it finishes the Netherlands 2, Norway 1. For more, let's welcome back. On Dutch International, Mario Malkiot is with us. Mario, you must have enjoyed this one.

42:36Not as much that I would like to, but I think because the first half was kind of quiet, you know, like it wasn't moving. They were testing certain things and, you know, Koeman was trying to test his pressing side because he feels like his team needs to be able to press the ball and win the ball back quicker. They tried it. They eventually go 1-0 down. What happened? Because we saw it, you know, like Saga said it, Dumfries was facing, you know, Sherlock. The thing was, Komae was behind him and he wasn't telling him what side he should block. And that is why they conceded the goal and then, okay, Van Dijk, if you score 12 goals, this is his 12th, you know, with a header.

43:14It made a difference, you understand, for him to score again and as a captain, it's very important. But moving forward, he said it after the game, you could hear him talk and saying like, look, I have to believe in a team. The key thing for this team will be like, how are they going to gel together in the sense of like, what is the strategy going to be? because they cannot be thinking too far ahead of what the game plan is going to be. And if they're still trying to press the game, the better you hurry up to make sure that they have that intact because if not, it's going to be too late. What are your expectations around this side, Mario, going into the summer?

43:48The expectations, look, I know there's a lot of pressure from every country. I think, you know, whenever you are at a country and you represent that country, people always give you the feeling like it's impossible almost, you understand, to succeed at what you want. And you as a team have to shake yourself off it. When it comes to Holland, the key thing, I think, how far they will come, it will come down how much are they as a team, and they will stick together and have the belief and making sure you understand that the game plan is intact. Because I feel like they did it the last tournament, they got to a certain level, but I felt like the shackles came off and they couldn't really handle the pressure where they were at.

44:30Okay, I know Argentina was a top team and a top country, I mean. But away from that, because they had Messi and all that. But away from that, they have to make sure that things like that don't repeat themselves. And they need to be ready for whatever comes at them. And if they're not, it will be a very, very tough tournament. No Odegaard, no Haaland, of course, for Norway, Mario. What did you make of them today? The thing, the thing where I was in, you know, like the key thing, you know, So, Charlotte, I thought he was kind of, I wasn't really impressed in seeing too much of him and I expected more.

45:01I think Larsson played, did well for them. But, Schalrup, the one on the left, he was the key figure. The way he handled the ball, the way he created certain danger. I think the key thing what Norway did was that their confidence started to rise after they scored the goal. Prior to that, they were just waiting and hoping, you understand, to see how far this game will go. I think they were a good opponent for Holland. Why? Because some countries will play that way of the way they tactically play. It's sitting, sitting, waiting, waiting and waiting for their occasion to happen. And Holland then has to learn we have to make the game but we don't have to make sure we have to make sure that we don't get exposed because when you open up you know you're going to get hurt.

45:42Mario, good man. Thank you very much. Mario will be back with us from Extra Time. Of course we stay late every day to answer your questions over on YouTube. We definitely do and we love it.

45:54Colombia against France. So we'll be in the studio, won't we? Yes, we will. We'll be in the studio ahead of that at 3pm. And then on Tuesday, we'll also be in the studio. Greg, looking forward to that. Scotland Ivory Coast. I think I'm off that day. No, you're very much on. It's a nice little appetizer for Brazil against Croatia. And that's it. That brings us to the end of the Bay Show. I look forward to you and Stevie on that. Huh? You starting to feel nervous? Be sure to stay tuned, Mario's back for Extra Time. I am. Oh God. Welcome to the latest edition of Extra Time. Craig and Shaka here in the studio with us.

46:34Mario also joins us after watching the Netherlands, of course, to beat Norway. For your haircut. I haven't seen you been for a haircut. For Craig and Mario, what's more likely to happen at the World Cup? Scotland making the round of 16 or the Dutch making the semi-final? Scotland have never made it out a group stage of any major. Who's your group again? Brazil, Morocco? Haiti. Haiti, OK. Haiti's the first game. Right. That is, believe it or not, that's the crunch. Yes. Because of course most group threes go through, don't they? Well, that's the one that's given Steve Clarke the most headaches.

47:10Right. Because they're expected to win, and it's the first game. and it won't be the first time a Scotland team have gone into an opening game against a so-called Mino and absolutely stuffed it up. So, I mean, yeah, they might get out of the group stage because it's just three teams to qualify now, which really, you know, just makes it somewhat easier. But I don't think any of those two things will happen. No? In the question. Mario, will the Dutch make it to the semi-final?

47:40What did I say? They stick together? Yeah, OK, look. Last time around, you understand, people knocked them down. I will give them some bravery. I have my doubts. Yes, I am worried a little bit. But I also say, like, if they do it as a team, we can do a lot of surprises. Yeah, the Dutch are going to go for that. For all, Dan included, what made you fall in love with football growing up? Mario, we'll start to you because you're the less cynical of all of us. What? What made you fall in love with football growing up? For me, I loved football as a kid because I wanted to, I looked at my brother, my older brother, I wanted to be him as a child.

48:20That was like my go-to. But then away from that, I got introduced to one of the greats ever in my life. The World Cup of Diego Armando Maradona. My God, he changed my life. The way you understand, I know the English people will jump on it. But what is it, 1985 it was, I think it was. But that World Cup, you understand, what he introduced as a footballer, maybe 86 it is, okay. But made me fall in love in a way to understand football and go like, wow, this game is really fun because of him. Nice answer, Mario. Now, Chaka.

49:01All right, I'm going to be cynical. That's a difficult question to answer because I've just always played. Right. You know, it's what... Yeah. All my friends did, so what I did, you realise you're a little bit better than your friends and you kind of progress... Showing off. I'm just saying, you just kind of progress a little bit, so it's not...

49:25I didn't wake up one day and realise, I kind of like this. Really? I've always done it. She was so good at it. So better than your friends. I'm better than everybody else about it. Most kids are, maybe not so much these days, because they're playing computer games, half for them and all that but most kids back in the day were out just kicking the ball after school yes yeah you were playing at school yeah you're in the playground at lunchtime or whatever it was and you're playing yeah but the answer is and i'm not being cynical and this might be a bit of a strange answer but ipswich town okay yeah because my uncle josh played there but it was a great ipswich side that included our former colleague the late great paul mariner was there with george Dutch players like Franz Tyson and Arnold Muren Mick Mills was the England captain Alan Brazil up front the list was endless and I used to go down there on holiday as a 7, 8 year old with my parents and stay with George and I'd go and watch these guys train at Portman Road back when Sir Bobby Robson was the manager and I used to look at these guys and I was so much in awe of watching them I don't think people realise because Epswich are what they are now but that side won the FA Cup and the UEFA Cup.

50:39Brilliant. Nice. Are you laughing at that? No, I wasn't laughing. It's nice. It's a nice laugh. You think about the players that were there. Murder and I was like, unbelievable. It's nice to see you being nice. It's good. What do you think? I mean, where's me? Probably, I don't know, 98, Scotland playing, some bleach blonde hair. Shut up. 98?

51:04I put a lot of kids off the game. Yeah, he's laughing. That was a smile. Getting sent off. I think that really kind of made me fall in love with it. What age were you then? No, I was what, 17 then? No, back when I was growing up, John Barnes. Absolutely. Oh yeah, John Barnes. Absolutely loved John Barnes. Yeah, every time you play Wembley knockout at lunchtime, as you say, kick around after school. You know what, I mean, Barnes was my manager at Celtic, but when I think of John Barnes, you know, as a player, obviously Liverpool, but I think about that goal he scored, is it the Marrikaner? Yeah, Brazil.

51:32Against Brazil, which was that was just bouncy yes yeah just gone for a run ball was stuck to his foot he was beating people that yeah that was incredible stuff ranked from most the least important for their team Mario okay who's the most important for the team who's the least Messi Ronaldo Kane Mbappe we're going internationals obviously rank from oh my god the most important come on how can Messi not be the most important person for his country. Yeah. How can Ronaldo not be that? Yeah, this is a strange question because all of them are important for their country. So I have to make a list out of like, okay, Messi won the World Cup, so let's give him that thing then.

52:16Okay, I'll push him back. Ronaldo is not the first thing that he thinks his country is really gonna win it, I think, but he would love to. And I think Mbappe's got a point to prove. So I'll put Mbappe maybe first because he thinks like, hey, it slipped between my fingers, so I want to go for that. Then I will put... Messi wants to do the double. No, I'll put Ronaldo because he's hungry for it. He's going, I got to win it. Messi then after and then Kane is last because my guts are not swayed whether England will win it. Scaloni said he might not play. Messi. Yeah, OK. Good luck with that. No, no, no, not that he's dropping them.

52:56He said he may not... I don't... I think it's all bluff and bluster. You're going to have Ronaldo at the bottom, aren't you? I'm only picking the top one. Why? What's the question? Well, it is. Is it not? No. See, when Argentina won the World Cup, they were a good side, but they weren't a great side. They were a really workman-like side, and he needed to be that star, even at his age. Well, Xhaka fell asleep at the final. He can't remember. No, I did not. I did not. Carry on. Actually, Ronaldo's going to have to be important for Portugal because there's going to be a lot of eyes on him because of his age and his position in the team.

53:32So he could be... Why am I even answering this question? I don't know. I don't know why you... Oh, you asked me. Who can win the World Cup without these players in their sides? So, well, France can win the World Cup without Mbappe. There we go. They've got Lexi Dewey, Dembele, Alisi and others. Yes. Portugal could win it without Ronaldo, although I don't think they will. Yep. England just can't win it. Yep. And it's simple. And they stole it in the 66, the ball wasn't over the line. Who's the other one? There's no way Argentina can win it without a Messi playing well. OK. No way. OK, Messi is the most important.

54:11Second, Harry Kane. Third, Kylian Mbappe. Last, Cristiano Ronaldo. Thanks for making it easy. Which one of the European underdogs are going to cause an upset on Tuesday? And why is it Bosnia? Oh, they don't know who's playing on Tuesday. Yeah, Bosnia playing Italy. Say again. Bosnia not playing Italy? Yes, they're playing Italy.

54:37I believe it's in Italy, but I've seen that movie before. I suppose, who else? Denmark against Chechnya? Czech Republic. Keep it old school. All that Chechnya and Turkey nonsense. Just stop it. I mean, just please, stop it. Stop it. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. It's not the name. I've got to say Bosnia. Bosnia pretends to be against Italy. For Xhaka, do you think Caribbean and African nations are genuinely closing the gap on European football, or is it still a massive distance? I think right now Caribbean football is as far away from European football as for quite some time. Probably going back to at least 2006, you see Jamaica coming to get to the playoffs.

55:25they'd expect more from Jamaica I think the African countries are closing the gap and you see that in their performances sitting in World Cups it's no longer just a surprise as the African teams beating European teams I think that gap is a whole lot closer but as far as the Caribbean teams go I just, as a region I don't think our football is living up to our own expectations That's why I don't think Ivory Coast is a very good friendly for Scotland No one cares about that He's looking forward to it I'm not looking forward to it No, no, no, no He's coming on Tuesday Dan, we have to mention We have to mention what happened yesterday We don't care about that You showed Suriname Ah, yes You just today Yeah And it's, you know, like I have to say I had to watch that game I felt sad, man I felt they were going to get close And do it But Bolivia did it Because the way they got the penalty I was like, oh my God You know, look I know we are still far as a country, as a nation, but I hope one day I will still witness Suriname going to the World Cup.

56:31That is just one of my dreams. I did what you just did back when I was working at Satanta. What did you do, Craig? Celtic were playing this midweek game in Japan during the season. And I went, what the hell's going on? Why are they playing that stupid game in Japan? and Rob McClemon and you can see that. Yes! Live on St.Count of Sports.

56:58I'd probably ask, what's the toughest decision you've seen a manager make that paid off? What? Does anything ring a bell? No. Rude Hullet dropping Craig Burley for the FA Cup Final. They paid off, they won 2-0. It did pay off, yeah. You just won't know that now. You just never know.

57:23Final question. That's a tough one. Yeah, it's difficult. We won't dwell on it. Oh, God, what a way to end this segment. Uh-oh. Shaka, it's been 30 years since Newcastle's epic collapse in the 95-96 season. How do you reflect on that season? As a real opportunity missed, I guess is an easy way to phrase it. So in that I felt that had Newcastle won the title I mean the club was poised to go on and be genuinely one of England's big clubs What happened following that is there was a change of backroom management that got rid of Keegan and everything just started to implode on itself So an opportunity missed in terms of winning a title and who we were but more to the point for Newcastle to really go on and be only giants of English football.

58:14That's a nice little reminder, isn't it? Yes. I got a call today as well. Oh, it's 20 years since they lost the FA Cup final as well. I'm like, oh, God. It can't be 20 years, can it? 2006 it was. Yeah, but that was not in March. To the day. Was just someone ringing you up every day? No. They wanted to do an interview. No, one day you lost the final. What the hell age were you then? Well, hold on. In Premier League, we didn't lose the Premier League title in March either. That went to me. Okay. What I'm saying is everybody's reminding me of these titles. It is that time. Xhaka, I'm thinking about it.

58:48I went to a tournament to Newcastle and all the stars, including you guys, were there. I was 19. Oh, yes. It's 30 years ago. I was 19. I'm 49 now. So, yes. Go check your old. Yes. And you guys were good, man. Yeah. No, you had a great team at that time. I was sitting in the stands watching you. I was nervous by even thinking of playing against you guys. So yes, Newcastle was incredible as a team. You guys had some tough players. No, no, no, no. They were great, Craig, I'm telling you. Good stuff. Hey, man, don't. If you saw the names, Asprelia, they had Asprelia in that team. Oh my God, come on, Craig.

59:36If you see that guy, oh. I was like wow, for me it was incredible. Yeah, you see? There you go, so you know exactly what I'm talking about. Craig got that video, save those vote. I scored. James' background is vote. Who's in goal? Hislop, Routard T's line, Bosch. Oh, Hislop, you scored? Alright, we lost 3-1. You see? I was... Didn't Ali ask us earlier about you? So he knows. Anyway, not very good.

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