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21:06Dan Thomas:Shekhar, I just heard there to my side when he said what we saw was as bad as what we heard was as bad as what we saw on the pitch. Mm-hmm. So, no, listen, I get you make that point immediately after the game. We're in motions are still running high. Maybe things haven't settled. Maybe you haven't joined Nadam in watching the game over again. Or Jules. I wouldn't recommend it, to be honest. I would not recommend it. have gotten together and watch the game over. But to still take that position, what, two days, three days after the semifinal, that you didn't make any mistakes, it all went to plan or whatever it is.

21:40There's only two people I know that stubborn.

21:46I'm sorry, what? I'm sorry, what? There's only two people I know that stubborn. I'm not calling any names. What do we mean, tell him? If you call any names, I'll whistle. I cannot believe he is still taking that position. You've lost the game. We were discussing yesterday, as players, when you lose a game, you go through all, which side did I take that goal kick from the right side? Should I move it to the other side? Should I put it on top of the right back instead of the left back? That's how granular you get as a player in looking back on games that you lost. as a manager to maintain that same position in a game that you lost is absolutely beyond me.

22:33Now, also, last week, we sat in the studio, Steve McManaman was here with us, and he said something to the effect of Tuchel was brought in for England to go all the way. And I asked him, so are you saying then that if they don't win the World Cup, he should go? And his response was, well, let me just say if they don't win it, but if they don't put up a darn good fight, In the final, he has to go. Now, we know they're not doing that. So for him to still have this position, it almost as though it shouldn't be a debate within the English FA as to whether he stays on. It really shouldn't. I just don't get so much of this from Thomas Tuchel.

23:14It's amazing to see and hear how he separates himself from the failures of England. says, we became too passive. I'm sorry. Are you not the man in charge here who's making the decisions? And part of the reason as to why this team became too passive and too conservative, if there was only a person that could actually change this and could impact how this team looks on the field, it would have been Tomas Tuchel. And yet he separates himself from that. And it's like, it's Captain Deflecto at his very best. at his very best. And you could see the reaction from John Stones next to him, sitting next to him, when Thomas Succo started going down the path of, you know, the gap between us and these other teams is because England just hasn't won anything.

24:05And you're John Stones sitting right there and you're saying, now you're just blaming us. You're shifting the blame in this direction and what we are or not as English players and as English people because he had a go at the DNA as well. How, as a manager of a national team, you're able to somehow protect yourself, shelter yourself, and say that it's everybody else's issue and not you. How does that happen and how does that not get punished? I have no idea. The lack of accountability here is just stinky.

24:43Dan Thomas:Okay, pick up on that, Nadim, while we show you some pictures of the England players enjoying a barbecue in their downtime. Yeah, this was in cancer wasn't it? It's good to sort of refresh I imagine after a big disappointment So yeah, it's good that they've had some free time and they're not just going off in there once You know there is sort of a collective there, but I think Watching back that game again But it reminded me of a few things and this is this is like a it's like a big

25:10It's just it's almost like This might sound like a real nice. I was gonna say like this is related to like that game's going on all of a sudden a couple of people stop pressing yeah Jordan Pickford starts taking lots of longer balls hoping that Harry Kane can win a flick on so that's one thing that's another thing the players are starting to look tired you're looking at this disaster building and building and building and we can see that the manager who is being paid to see everything about that doesn't think we need an injection of energy to like be more positive that's disappointing but the bigger thing for me so England for the majority i don't know if you'd agree with this maybe i'm wrong we'll see what jewels thinks england will be the favorite for 90 of the games that they play as a nation yeah when they're playing the european qualifiers due to their seeding and so on they're the favorite most of the time in this nation's nation's league now might be different but they'll be the favorite going through the tournament the way that they did was there a game where they weren't a clear favorite through this tournament probably not even against norway for how well they did probably not then they play argentina in the semi-final and it's more of like a coin toss and then tucco says England don't have the identity, DNA, and so on and so forth.

26:17So what he's basically saying is that they'll be caught in this perpetual loop to where they will win the games, where they are clear favorites. Then when it gets to a time where they play against a side who he believes has got a better culture in those moments, will likely beat them because they just have that. But he's saying that they have the better culture because they won. Had England won, then does that mean that Argentina didn't have the better culture to begin with? And that's what I'm saying. He's over here shaping an argument so that so that he feeds his narrative. Yeah, but it just doesn't it just doesn't make sense

26:47Dan Thomas:Don't get him even more work No, no, no My back I can't leave those to a listen I just just leave this is just this is just from a footballing perspective for the way he's speaking about it in the context of him Being in charge right now somebody that's gonna distance himself from the team as Ali said seems insane because they will have more moments like this in the future I was gonna say well, you know, we played against Spain, so you know one before. You know what that means. OK, let's talk about the other manager, Didier Deschamps, especially because we've got Jules with us. What are we looking at?

27:18Dan Thomas:14 years as a 10-year-old France manager here, Jules. How would you grade it?

27:23Julien Laurens:Yeah, I mean, it's been pretty incredible. And the debate back home right now is he's won one World Cup in those 14 years. One Nations League as well, if you want to count that. But really, World Cup. So one win in sixth tournament. You see where he got. OK, apart from that Euro 2020, who was played in 2021, the rest is remarkable, really, to say the least. I know there's only one World Cup to show for it, but it's still pretty special, I think. Could he have one more? Sure, he had incredibly talented players and generations, one after the other, through those 14 years. His win ratio is 66%. It's 185 games, 26 in the World Cup.

28:06Julien Laurens:I think it's remarkable when you also think that he took over a team that was in ruins after 2010 and 2012. So the work that he's done is great. Probably, yes, in a better world, there's another title there. There's that final in 2022, obviously. The one in 2016, the Euros in France, in Paris, was hard to take as well. And they were close. We hit the post in 2016. We could have beaten Portugal. There's obviously the one against Argentina in Qatar in 2022. too. But I think he's the greatest head coach we've ever had. I think he's one of the greatest in world football in general, in history. But if you really want to be a bit picky, yeah, maybe there's one more big title there that is missing.

28:52Dan Thomas:8 out of 10, 9 out of 10 duels. And what would Lekeep, who are famously stingy with their player ratings, give him?

28:59Julien Laurens:I would give 9 out of 10. I know some people back home are a bit more critical let's say. Don't forget as well there's the style of football in those 14 years. Okay, this World Cup was maybe a bit different up to the semi-final but remember two years ago in Germany at the Euros, all of us on the show we destroyed him because the football was so bad, so poor, despite the players that he had he was so defensive minded so negative, so passive, to go back to Thomas Tuchel's points, that that should have never happened and yet he stayed on, changed his identity a little bit. Credit to him for that.

29:38Julien Laurens:But the football was never really that great before, even when they won in 2018, for example. So I would give him nine. Some would give him eight. Eight is probably fairer, but I like him a lot. I've got a soft spot for him. But others back home would probably give between six and seven, which I think is a bit harsh.

29:55Dan Thomas:OK, let's get to today's game then, Jules, because it is a fully recognized tournament fixture. So it is a chance for the likes of Kylian Mbappe to get those stats up in the golden boot race. Will we see him?

30:07Julien Laurens:Yeah, he will start with the armband. He wants to play. He wants to get that golden boot and be Messi and Bellingham or Kane to the task. It will be two World Cups in a row where he's the top goal scorer. And I think that means a lot to him. For us, it might be different because they haven't won it. But for him, it's important. He will start. I think it's important for Deschamps as a last game to win it. I think the boys want to give him that as a farewell gift if you want. There's something really funny. We talked about it with Xhaka yesterday too on the show. But the French arrived on Thursday in Miami.

30:41Julien Laurens:And the players wanted Thursday evening off to see the family, to see their friends, to go to places that they like to go to. Xhaka knows. Xhaka knows as well. And Deschamps said no. There's a big game to come. It's a big game. I don't want you to go out on Thursday, even match day minus two. So he's taking this game very seriously. OK. First of all, don't shift this on to me. Where should we shift it? No, yesterday, Jules was saying, yeah, they want to go out to serve. I know those places, they want to... Trust me. Trust me. Jules owned it yesterday. Now, all of a sudden, he's stood in my direction.

31:18Dan Thomas:Too late, Jules. Too late. But he always denies it. That's the thing. Jules owns it. You always deny that you're the party animal, and we know, Shaka. I think both things can be true at the same time, Shaka. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Are you okay with this game mattering in terms of the tournament stats, Ali? Obviously, it always has. Yeah. Some very famous examples. It's part of the competition, and it really depends on how teams want to approach this game. And honestly, and I'm not going to refer to Shaka, but Shaka knows this very well. this is the last day before they go on break and the last day before you go on break usually players are not at their most productive because they may be thinking about other things that's why the guys that haven't played all that much get an opportunity to play in the third place match because they are excited to be there and they want to have this World Cup experience so I'm all for this game counting for whatever it needs to count for And if Kylian Mbappe wants to take advantage of it and score the goals, look, it's a game that is going to be open.

32:22It's a game that's going to be back and forth because, as I said before, it's a more relaxed environment. Again, Shaka knows this very well. Trust me on that. And so it is an open game back and forth that is going to lend itself for goal scoring opportunities for Kylian Mbappe, Harry Kane, Jude Belliam, whoever wants to take advantage of this. But in order to take advantage of it, your mindset has to be correct. If you're thinking about your vacation, it doesn't matter how open the game is. you're not going to take full advantage of it.

32:50Dan Thomas:Naidem? No, I think that's fair. And I think because it's always like the same type of teams that make it to the semifinals, end up playing in this third place playoff or whatever we want to call it, there's a sense of apathy towards it. Like this doesn't really matter. But in a different world, this could be Norway against Switzerland or something like that. And I bet you for those two nations, it would mean everything to them because they'll talk about the chance to finish third. This is the best we've ever done at a World Cup. Whereas, you know, when it's France, when it's England, because they're playing the whole thing.

33:16Dan Thomas:Second best ever finish at a World Cup. You try to tell Tuchel that. Tuchel's saying, you know, this game doesn't matter. All those people spend all the money on the tickets for the game. They're like, ah, Tuchel's saying it doesn't matter. Let's just go in. It's fine. You know what you should do? Just go and watch the second half of that. Do it again. Do it again. Again. That was fun. Make sure to join the team tonight as they look back on it. ESPN Plus first at 7 p.m. Eastern and then a full wrap-up on ESPN FC tonight on ESPN2 at 10 p.m. Eastern. Pochettino's also been talking about his future.

33:45Dan Thomas:We'll hear what he had to say after this.

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34:52Dan Thomas:Wayfair, every style, every home. The World Cup is coming to an end, but the preseason is already underway for many sides. Liverpool coming off against Sunderland July 25th, 6 p.m. Eastern on ESPN Unlimited. So, Mauricio Pochettino has been talking about his future. He said we are evaluating it, looking at it, They, U.S. Soccer, have made me an offer to continue, and we will see. Next week, we will make a decision. Then, this is a picture on Instagram. What time is it? We can't be showing this type of thing, can we? Sorry if you're eating your lunch right now. Should have given you a little warning.

35:32The toes are creepy small.

35:34Dan Thomas:Julie and Laurentiis with us, too. They're teeny tiny toes. Well, with my Football Americas team here in the studio, I want to get your reaction to what we're hearing here from Puch. Well, it sounds to me much like leading up to the World Cup that he is flirting with everybody else. And while... Hence the feedback. Yes. It's all coming together now. Kiddos, don't you? Kiddos, don't you? Oh, no. You said that, huh? That was a low blow from that. Let's just watch England and bring us... He's been flirting. Feet or not, he's been flirting. And it feels like the United States Soccer Federation have already played their card.

36:22They say, yeah, we want you back. And Pochettino's like, well, we'll see. You know, it's not you, it's me sort of thing. I'm going to go look elsewhere. I'm going to see what's out there. And then I'll make my decision based on that. I agree. Listen, I'll believe it when I see it. If Pochettino stays on, I felt before the World Cup, He was going to move on to a club job. I felt during the work-up, you see him. And now it just feels like, well, let's see how pre-seasons go elsewhere. And I'll let you know how things pan out.

36:53Dan Thomas:Jules, as to Ale's point, do you think that he's just waiting to see what might happen early season if some jobs become available and then decide how his future looks?

37:02Julien Laurens:Yeah, absolutely. I think there's no doubt about that. I mean, as you can see here, that defeat against Belgium was what? Two and a half weeks ago? Two weeks ago? something like that how long do you need to know if you want to continue with his team or not and keep building what you've built so far in the last you know 18 months or whatever it was that he's been in charge or two years you know already they were talking during the tournament with him they talked about it before the tournament you know JT Baston and the federation have been have been on this whether whether you you would be happy as a as a USman national team fan to keep him or not it doesn't matter the federation want him to stay how long more do you need?

37:43Julien Laurens:Really, that's what I don't understand. Nothing is going to change between now and next week unless, to go back to our initial point and Ali's point, unless some European clubs in Italy, in Spain, are coming for him.

37:55Dan Thomas:Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how the future plays out quickly from you, Nathan. Yeah, what I would say, if the coach isn't enthusiastic about reading it and signing it, then maybe just take it away and give it to somebody else. That's my take, anyway. Were you impressed about how flexible I was there, Nathan? It was all right. It was all right. I heard some creaking.

38:14Dan Thomas:Ali and Shaka had some fun on last night's show, which is streaming now on ESPN Plus with Alexis Nunes. Be sure to go and check out ESPN FC. I'll tell you something. Take that, Puchetino. Stay with us as we recap the World Cup so far as it comes to its end. That's next.

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40:54Dan Thomas:are down to just two, but so many more have carved their own stories, winning hearts and breaking hearts along the way. Here's a look back at some of the best of World Cup 2026 with Nader. Mexico, Canada, the United States, 16 cities, 3 countries, 40 teams, 104 matches, which sounded far too much until it wasn't enough. A Mexican fiesta in the opener, the Canadian salvage a draw, and the US of A followed with their greatest ever half of football. Germany scored seven, Sweden scored five, England scored four against Croatia. Messi's got a had picked at 39, which was historic. Everything Messi does, historic.

41:27Walking out of the tunnel, taking a corner, sitting on the bench while somebody else scores, historic. Not getting sense off is, well, something. No Way rode in. Haaland scored two. Mbappe scored two. Ronaldo kept playing. And Portugal drew with DR Congo, who knew how to celebrate. Cape Verde debuted against Spain. Spain had the ball. Spain kept the ball. Cape Verde kept the point. Vazinha gained a medium-sized country's population and social media followers. Scotland won over Haiti. The Tartan Army won over Boston. Then the second games began. The Mexican Fiesta rolled on. Canada put a sixth spot, their first ever World Cup win.

41:56The United States beat Australia. The hosts have momentum during the first week. Momentum is what you call it before anything bad happens. Speaking of bad, Turkey. The Netherlands scored five. Japan scored four. Spain scored four. Mbappe scored two more. Haaland scored two more. And more people started growing. Egypt got their first ever World Cup win, led by their modern-day pharaoh. Portugal scored five. Ronaldo scored two. Messi missed the pen. Didn't matter. Got two more. Became the competition's all-time leading goalscorer. England drew 0-0 with Ghana. It's gonna be alright. except for Uruguay, who couldn't beat Cape Verde.

42:22The calculating began. Third-place sports, nearly everyone was alive, except Haiti, no thanks to Brazil. Scotland couldn't survive the Moroccans. Boston couldn't survive the Scottish. Then came the final group games. Mexico finished perfect. The tequila was flowing. Drama in Jersey. Ecuador survived elimination after a comeback win over de mine shaft. The USA finally lost it. Didn't matter. Dembele scored three against the Norway B. Senegal scored five. Belgium scored five. England beat Panama. Messi didn't start and still scored. Ronaldo did not. Portugal drew with Colombia. Spain finished in first.

42:48Uruguay went home. Cape Verde advanced. the World Cup debutants survived the group of death. Scotland did not. The Brazilians took down the Scottish, but the Tarzan army still took down Miami. Bosnia made the presence known in Toronto. And with the last kick of the group stage, Austria snatched advancements from the jaws of elimination. After 17 pulsating days, 48 teams becoming 32 and brief. The knockout started in Los Angeles. Canada beat South Africa late. Brazil beat Japan even later. Germany played Paraguay. Penalties, drama. Havertz, Valtemada, ta, nein! Oviedo, same to be mine, Shaft. First World Cup exit ever on penalties.

43:17The Netherlands played Morocco. Also penalties. Also drama. Also European heavyweight out early. Looked like England were about to join them until Hurricane hit Atlanta. No way sail past Ivory Coast thanks to, you'll never believe it, him. It looks to be past Belgium's bedtime in Seattle before Lukaku and company woke up. Tealemans to the rescue and Senegal somehow out. France winning. Mbappe bag two more. Ho, hum. United States beat Bosnia. Balogun sees red. A call is made. Suspension suspended. The Azteca, Mexico versus Ecuador. No sleep for the visitors. No mercy for the hosts. A nightmare for the South American side.

43:44A dream for L3 and their fans. A celebration would ensure no rest for anyone long into the night. Spain comfortably beat Austria. Portugal, Croatia was anything but comfortable. Ronaldo's late penalty to draw a level. Ramos' late, late header, surely to win. But Croatia who collapsed at a death, or had they? The ball had a heartbeat. Portugal remained with a pulse. Egypt versus Australia. More drama, more penalties. The Socceroos go for the switcheroo. In comes Ryan. Out goes Beach and home goal the Aussies. Oi, oi, oi. The Swiss beat Algeria. Colombia beat Ghana. Well, Argentina will surely beat Cape Verde, right?

44:11Well, nobody taught the upstart African side. Extra time. Sydney Cabral with a screamer for the ages, but never doubt the Albi Celeste. The Black Magic proved too strong for the Blue Sharks. Cape Verde leaves with many a new fan. Argentina leaves with a win. 32 became 16. Switzerland, Colombia. 120 minutes no one will remember. A pound of shootout sees the Swiss survive. Canada versus Morocco. Jesse Marsh believed his side were better. Morocco believed they advanced because they won 3-0. France played Paraguay. Paraguay refused to play. Le Bleu refused to lose. Brazil missed the penalty in Harlem made them pay.

44:36Neymar in tears. Jan in tears. The Norwegian Navy sails on Mexico and England at the Azteca. Altitude, smog, fireworks. The three lines overcome all that. And a red card to advance. The most watched US men's national team game of all time. Americans confident Balogun back. Belgium didn't care. Bulldogs team America thanks to some extra motivation. Portugal vs Spain, 91st minute. Magic Mikel. Ronaldo's World Cup dreams extinguished. Messi missed a penalty. Egypt 2-0 late. Argentina on the verge. Poromero, then Messi and finally Enzo. 3-2 in the end. The Farrells went mad. Hassan said it was rigged.

45:07But the Egyptian dream is over. Down to 8. France-Morocco. Mbappe's turn to miss a penalty. And then score. Le Bleu Cruz. Yay, I got the goal! Belgium level late with Spain, but Courtois can't continue. And his replacement spills it. Magic Mikel to the rescue yet again. La Roja semi-final bound. Haaland came. The Norwegians struck first. Dews struck back. Norway said the Spider-Camp struck two. But Dews struck again. Another goalie Haaland. Haaland's voyage over and finally all square in Kansas City. The Swiss had momentum until Mbolo did that. Another late show for Argentina. Ten-man Switzerland tried their best, but extra time with Julien Alvarez were the difference.

45:37Argentina march on. The final four. France, Spain, England, Argentina. at all former champions. First up, Mbappe, Yamal. But it was Luca Dina who will be remembered most. 1-0 Spain. France had the star. Spain had the ball. 17 passes. And Pedro Porro. Au revoir, France. To Atlanta, a cauldron to emotion. The hand of God. Beckham's red card. The Falklands. So much atmosphere. Not much football. Which changed in the second half. England, 30 minutes from a World Cup final, but no match for an Argentinian onslaught. Enzo. Minuto 8-5. Goalazo. Stoppage time. Messi. Lautaro. Dagger. Pandemonium. Inevitable.

46:08Superhuman. He refuses to let them die. Now 39 days and 46 teams later only two remain the reigning European champions and the defending World Cup champions a meeting of destiny nearly 20 years in the making 19 year old Yamal 39 years old Messi Spain Argentina Sunday New Jersey 3 p.m.

46:26Dan Thomas:Oh yes. Wonderful work. Wonderful work. That was excellent. I don't want to be thinking. Minuto 85. Oh Alex. 85. I see you had to fight for some I'm just saying Look, let's deliver the people what they want It was an old Chad Ochoa Cinco That's why I said it that way, but it's cool You get there in the end Ochoa Cinco You're gonna get there in the end What would be nice is to see our touch screen Anyway, let's talk about this World Cup What we've just seen, obviously you just voiced through so much of it What's been one of your favorite moments? Doesn't it have to be a total standout? one of your favorites?

47:09I think some of the Norway memories as they've built on. I really enjoyed that. But also the realism of like Erling Haaland. After they won their second group game and they're into the next round and somebody tries to set up this big dramatic tie against France in the third game. So I don't care. They're probably going to win it. You know, I'm just so happy to be in that next round. And it's a reminder that like this World Cup is not just for the teams that think about winning it. It's for those who just love making history and love sort of representing the nation. Argentina and the way that they play when it comes to winning time.

47:40The last 20 minutes. I know you've seen it a few times. The last 20 minutes. I've never played against. Hang on. The England game. You just watched the England game again. Oh, that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Winning time and to see the look in their eyes. This game has become about data analysis and numbers and analytics and all of that nonsense. And maybe that has value in it. But when you see Argentina and you look at them in the eyes, it's old school. You know these guys are internet. You know that these guys are going to do anything and everything to win the game. Well, for me, of course, I'll say it this way.

48:18It's been a tournament for goalkeepers. I also like the fairytale stories, especially in the early stages of the World Cup. Vosinha, the biggest of those stories, whether you talk about Ruf from Curacao, Nylund's performances for Norway, those are the things that will remain with me as a fully paid member of the Goalkeepers Union.

48:36Dan Thomas:I can't feel like it will allow it. Quickly from you, Jules.

48:39Julien Laurens:Everything that we've just seen, plus obviously Javier Aguirre telling Gordon to, you know, F you and then laughing in his face. That was my moment.

48:48Dan Thomas:It was a great moment, to be fair. That's one to definitely watch over again. All right, France against England today in the bronze final game. Spain and Argentina's odds as well to lift the trophy today. But we are also looking ahead to that game. We've done so all show, but today is the game between France and England. These are the odds heading into it. Not England our favourites. Why is that? They are not, Nadem. Are they for you though? This is what Tuchel said, isn't it? Well, obviously England playing against a side like France, who have that winning culture. The manager obviously says that they can't win this game.

49:21So I'm gonna go along with Thomas Tuchel and just take this all the way over here.

49:25Dan Thomas:All right I like the best thing that could happen for England is that England loses today. I don't know what's happening They don't want me to

49:37Join the boys here. No Yeah, it's These is a short journey for me.

49:44Julien Laurens:Oh, I mean it's all about DNA isn't it football

49:51Julien Laurens:Well, I was going to go with France. Come on. Come on, Kate. Do it. Come on.

49:59It's coming off. It's coming off. That's like a drum ball.

50:04Dan Thomas:Anyway, that's all we've got time for. Enjoy the Bruns final. We will be back tomorrow with more build-up for the big one tomorrow. Wait a minute. What about Spain Argentina? Oh, Spain Argentina. We're doing that now? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I heard we've got to get out of the show. I know you already care about England, Kay. It's true, right? what about the animals prediction okay let's go with the animals predictions thank you guys there's the animal predictions okay okay oh wait a minute wait a minute that's that's that's aggressive right there oh oh oh change your pace change your pace oh okay Jules who've you got I've got

50:48Julien Laurens:I've got Spain. I know I said that and there was no scenario where England could lose to Argentina. But I said unless Thomas Tuchel messed it up and he did, I don't think Spain would mess it up. I'm going to have to go on the other side to Jules here. He's like 0-3 in his last few finishes. So just for that alone, I'm just going to pop myself over here. You know, I told you I love Argentina's heart, soul and the way that they play the game. Keep it moving. Keep it moving. My bracket! My bracket! My bracket is what matters! I'm with Jules. I'm 0-3. Let's go for 0-4. Come on, bring yourself over.

51:26I wanted to be Spain. You can't do it. You can't do it.

51:30Dan Thomas:You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You just can't be beaten. All right. Make sure to be with the ESPN FC throughout. We'll be building up to the final and there's lots streaming right now too. We'll find out how this one ends. See you next time.

52:01We'll see you next time.